Origin PC's Custom, Professional Overclocking Will Push Your Kaby Lake Chip Past 5GHz (pcworld.com)

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Origin PC's Custom, Professional Overclocking Will Push Your Kaby Lake Chip Past 5GHz (pcworld.com)

Posted by msmash on Thursday January 5, 2017 @06:45AM from the reaching-the-stars dept.

An anonymous reader writes: Intel's new Kaby Lake desktop processors may not be huge improvements over their Skylake predecessors in terms of raw speed, but they've got it where it counts in one enthusiast-friendly area: overclocking. Now the high-end custom PC builder Origin is putting its (and your) money where its mouth is. Origin's has offered professional overclocking as a $75 option in its systems for a while, and now the builder is touting that Kaby Lake desktops chips will go up to -- and potentially over -- the 5GHz barrier. Hot, hot, hot, hot damn. Intel's chips haven't hit such lofty heights since the Sandy Bridge days and the Core i7-2600K. Since then, Intel's processors usually tap out around the 4.5GHz mark. While the current wording for Origin's professional overclocking doesn't guarantee a set frequency due to the silicon lottery -- promising only that "Origin PC's award winning system integrators will overclock your processor and squeeze out every last megahertz" with every overclock "stringently tested and benchmarked for ensured stability" -- the company must feel darn confident to market that 5GHz number in big, bold numbers in a press release.

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You probably don't need it. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 06:47 · Score: 0

It's amazing what you can get done on cheap, "slow", "under"powered hardware.
1. Re:You probably don't need it. by OrangeTide · 2017-01-05 06:50 · Score: 1
  
  Most people don't even need a desktop PC. But some people really do have practical application for a high performance computer. (Although I have my doubts that any of Origin's customer are doing anything practical with their machines)
  
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2. Re:You probably don't need it. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 06:58 · Score: 0
  
  High performance computers don't require overclocking, nor do almost any workload. There are exceptions but spending 2x as much on a single machine doesn't get you 2x the performance, so it doesn't make business sense if you're *actually* a business.
3. Re:You probably don't need it. by sycodon · 2017-01-05 06:58 · Score: 1
  
  The thing is that these days, pretty much anything you buy isn't slow. 98% of computers sold are more than up to the task of every day use.
  Seems to me these things are like guys modding their cars. For instance taking a stock v6 mustang, removing the governor, adding a supercharger and replacing various bits and pieces to make a 160 MPH car out of one that will already easily go fast enough to get yer ass put in jail.
  
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4. Re:You probably don't need it. by admin7087 · 2017-01-05 07:00 · Score: 1
  
  I could use it for flight simulation and audio processing, which both require loads of CPU and RAM. But I've just checked their website and a high end Origin PC is a bit out of my preferred price range. An upper mid-range PC will also do.
5. Re: You probably don't need it. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 07:07 · Score: 0
  
  Yeah, but if I have a 5 GHz processor in my Linux workstation it means systemd will be able to screw up and fail to boot my computer much faster than before. It's well worth the extra money to get the best modern Linux experience possible.
6. Re:You probably don't need it. by OrangeTide · 2017-01-05 07:26 · Score: 2
  
  overclocking is third party binning. When IBM sells you a 4.5 GHz POWER chip, it's not called overclocking. When a small company takes a batch of Intel chips and tests them, it's called overclocking.
  You can find professionals that run overclocked workstations. It's not that uncommon, at least among my coworkers.
  
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7. Re:You probably don't need it. by __aaclcg7560 · 2017-01-05 08:24 · Score: 1
  
  Windows 10 might actually be able to run on it with out feeling sluggish.
  Try defragging the hard disk.
8. Re:You probably don't need it. by homes32 · 2017-01-05 08:30 · Score: 1
  
  you don't just go about defragging an SSD YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD!
9. Re:You probably don't need it. by omnichad · 2017-01-05 08:34 · Score: 1
  
  That's an automated service on Windows 10. Try replacing with an SSD.
10. Re:You probably don't need it. by __aaclcg7560 · 2017-01-05 08:40 · Score: 1
  
  you don't just go about defragging an SSD YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD!
  Hard drive != SSD
11. Re:You probably don't need it. by __aaclcg7560 · 2017-01-05 08:43 · Score: 0
  
  That's an automated service on Windows 10.
  I'll have to double check that. I use Auslogic Defragger to defrag my Windows 10 systems.
  
  Try replacing with an SSD.
  When people complain about Windows being sluggish, it's usually because they haven't defragged their hard drives.
12. Re:You probably don't need it. by omnichad · 2017-01-05 08:48 · Score: 1
  
  Not on Windows Vista and up.
13. Re:You probably don't need it. by homes32 · 2017-01-05 08:52 · Score: 2
  
  careful. you seem to be ASSuming that the OP is in fact using a spinning disk. Also, defrag on non-SSDs has been an automatically scheduled weekly task since Win7.
14. Re:You probably don't need it. by __aaclcg7560 · 2017-01-05 09:06 · Score: 1
  
  Not on Windows Vista and up.
  Maybe the Home version. I've done quite a few defrags on Windows 7 systems in the corporate environment. Automatic defrag is typically disabled by group policy.
15. Re:You probably don't need it. by omnichad · 2017-01-05 09:15 · Score: 1
  
  Automatic defrag is typically disabled by group policy.
  If so, that's not by default. Someone decided to manually push out that policy. Or worse, have a policy of shutting down systems at night and preventing any maintenance overnight at all.
16. Re:You probably don't need it. by __aaclcg7560 · 2017-01-05 09:27 · Score: 1
  
  If so, that's not by default. Someone decided to manually push out that policy. Or worse, have a policy of shutting down systems at night and preventing any maintenance overnight at all.
  That seems to be the default policy for the Fortune 500 companies I've worked at. The rational for disabling automatic defragging is that it interferes with other stuff going during the maintenance window or programs being run overnight. This might be a non-issue now that newer PCs have SSDs instead of HDDs. My two-year-old work laptop with an SSD card has never ever ran defragger.
17. Re:You probably don't need it. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 09:36 · Score: 0
  
  Most people don't even need a desktop PC. But some people really do have practical application for a high performance computer. (Although I have my doubts that any of Origin's customer are doing anything practical with their machines)
  If I had a practical need for a high performance computer, I would not fill it by overclocking.
  Overclocked systems are more likely to have computational glitches, and are likely to fail sooner. Not what you want in a business.
18. Re:You probably don't need it. by omnichad · 2017-01-05 09:38 · Score: 1
  
  The rational for disabling automatic defragging is that it interferes with other stuff going during the maintenance window or programs being run overnight
  While that's true, you can set scheduled tasks to run with a timer - if it takes longer than its allotted time it can be stopped to make way for the next item. If it's running weekly on schedule, it shouldn't take long to run anyway.
  
  This might be a non-issue now that newer PCs have SSDs instead of HDDs
  Complete non-issue. In fact, it's recommended to not even bother defragging, because that will just increase the write cycles.
19. Re: You probably don't need it. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 09:38 · Score: 0
  
  Illogical reasoning. You dont need 2x performance for 2x cost for it to make sense. In case of high-pay analysts and programmers the 10 minutes compile time you can cut over a day, accumulated over a few weeks quickly pays for just about any hardware upgrades you can think of. And the mid range pcs are good enough for management clowns with their outlook, excel, ppt needs. Creative workers are still very much constrained by single threaded algos and cpus.
20. Re:You probably don't need it. by jwhyche · 2017-01-05 10:05 · Score: 0
  
  I use i7-6700K for both audio processing and flight simulation. It seems to get the job done rather well. I couldn't see myself needing a 5ghz for this.
  Your needs may differ from mine but I don't see an extra ghz worth the trouble or the expense.
  
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21. Re:You probably don't need it. by jwhyche · 2017-01-05 10:10 · Score: 0
  
  My two-year-old work laptop with an SSD card has never ever ran defragger.
  Nor should it ever. A SSD might look like a HDD to the OS and perform the same operation but under the hood the technology is completely different. Running a defragger can even damage the SSD and shorten the life of the device.
  
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22. Re:You probably don't need it. by jwhyche · 2017-01-05 10:13 · Score: 0
  
  That seems to be the default policy for the Fortune 500 companies I've worked at
  With more and more SSD's replacing HDD in the work place I can see where this would become the default policy. Where a good defragging can help the performance on a HDD its just the opposite with a SSD. Defragging a SSD will accomplish nothing as far as speeding up access to the files. But what it will do is shorten the lifespan of a SSD and can even damage it in the long run.
  Friends don't let friends defrag thier SSD.
  
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23. Re:You probably don't need it. by __aaclcg7560 · 2017-01-05 10:30 · Score: 1
  
  A SSD might look like a HDD to the OS and perform the same operation but under the hood the technology is completely different.
  
  When I cloned my HDD to SSD, Windows changed a registry setting to mark the SSD as a USB drive. Never mind that I booted the SSD from SATA after replacing the HDD. It prevented the Windows 10 Anniversary update from installing.
24. Re:You probably don't need it. by __aaclcg7560 · 2017-01-05 11:12 · Score: 1
  
  you seem to be ASSuming that the OP is in fact using a spinning disk.
  Based on the initial description and my experience as a help desk technician, a fragged hard drive was a likely cause. If the OP has an SSD, my advice would be irrelevant.
  
  Also, defrag on non-SSDs has been an automatically scheduled weekly task since Win7.
  As I pointed out to someone else, that may be true for the Home version. Most Fortune 500 companies I've worked at disable automatic defragging in the Enterprise version, as it would interfere with something else during the maintenance window or slow the down a program running overnight. I still do manual disk frags at home because my Windows computers are not on 24/7.
25. Re:You probably don't need it. by drinkypoo · 2017-01-05 11:43 · Score: 1
  
  Seems to me these things are like guys modding their cars. For instance taking a stock v6 mustang, removing the governor, adding a supercharger and replacing various bits and pieces to make a 160 MPH car out of one that will already easily go fast enough to get yer ass put in jail.
  There seem to be two classes of PC modding, where one is functional and the other is cosmetic, and then there's every shade of grey in between. You know, just like cars. These fancy liquid cooling setups with their glass pipes are fruity AF, not that there's anything wrong with that. It's less of a waste of time and money than doing the same stuff with a car, and if it leaks it only leaks on your desk and not on the road.
  
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26. Re: You probably don't need it. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-06 01:40 · Score: 0
  
  You get the moron prize of the day for the most pathetically irrelevant mention of systemd.
27. Re:You probably don't need it. by OrangeTide · 2017-01-06 06:40 · Score: 1
  
  Overclocked systems are more likely to have computational glitches, and are likely to fail sooner. Not what you want in a business.
  False. If done incorrectly and without proper validation tests, then yes you would have an unstable system. But correctly done there is little difference between a third party overclocking and the vendor's own SiVal and binning.
  You personally may not wish to choose this route, but people do exist in the professional world that have used overclocked systems as engineering workstations or for academic research. And I don't think you can easily dismiss their decision to do so.
  
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Not saying Slashvertisement... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 06:54 · Score: 5, Informative

Aaaand it's Slashvertisement!
1. Re:Not saying Slashvertisement... by xxxJonBoyxxx · 2017-01-05 07:14 · Score: 2
  
  Hot, hot, hot, hot damn.
  
  News for nerds.
Well the stock clock is pretty high... by Junta · 2017-01-05 06:55 · Score: 4, Informative

4.5 GHz is not only achievable, it's actually a speed i7-7700k will run stock, air-cooled in turbo mode. So 5GHz on Skylake would have been about a 20% improvement over stock, on Kaby Lake it's 10%.

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1. Re:Well the stock clock is pretty high... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 07:45 · Score: 1
  
  4.5 GHz is not only achievable, it's actually a speed i7-7700k will run stock, air-cooled in turbo mode. So 5GHz on Skylake would have been about a 20% improvement over stock, on Kaby Lake it's 10%.
  We could make sell these things rated for 6GHz if we wanted to, but we wouldn't rate them to survive more than a couple of years.
2. Re: Well the stock clock is pretty high... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 08:15 · Score: 0
  
  and those will get cheaper now. next gen ussually pushes last down the price range.
3. Re:Well the stock clock is pretty high... by ArylAkamov · 2017-01-05 13:19 · Score: 2
  
  Yep, I've been running my i5 2500k at 4.5 since it came out. I'd be pretty surprised if newer chips couldn't match or surpass it.
Golly, Miss Molly... by __aaclcg7560 · 2017-01-05 06:57 · Score: 1

The last time I overclocked a processor was an Intel Pentium (Socket-7) from 133MHz to 200MHz (IIRC). I haven't overclocked a processor since then.
1. Re:Golly, Miss Molly... by MCROnline · 2017-01-05 07:12 · Score: 2
  
  Actually things have moved on... Now you just press the "Turbo" button on the front of the tower case... ;)
2. Re:Golly, Miss Molly... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 07:20 · Score: 0
  
  I worked at a PC repair shop in the 133MHz days, so I may have been the one who sold you your parts!
  Did you use the fancy new Abit jumperless motherboard? We sold the shit out of those to overclockers! :)
  (Asus was around back then, and we also sold them, but they required manual jumper settings, and most of the kids didn't want to mess with jumpers.)
  The funny part: Overclockers always raved the performance boost and then complained about their games crashing. No shit, kid. I told you that when I sold you the parts. X^D
3. Re:Golly, Miss Molly... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 07:21 · Score: 1
  
  Last I did was the almighty Celery 300a OC'ed to 450 on an Abit board. Good times!
4. Re:Golly, Miss Molly... by __aaclcg7560 · 2017-01-05 07:24 · Score: 1
  
  Did you use the fancy new Abit jumperless motherboard?
  I went with Tyan motherboards back in the day.
5. Re:Golly, Miss Molly... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 07:37 · Score: 0
  
  You don't hold the turbo button down. It's for short boosts. {Galaxy Quest, FTW}
6. Re:Golly, Miss Molly... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 08:22 · Score: 0
  
  Did you use the fancy new Abit jumperless motherboard? We sold the shit out of those to overclockers! :)
  So, you're saying that you extracted shit from Abit motherboards and you sold *that* to overclockers? Wouldn't you have been better selling the shit to people who wanted to fertilise their fields and flogging the (now-shitless) motherboards to overclockers?
7. Re:Golly, Miss Molly... by jwhyche · 2017-01-05 10:22 · Score: 0
  
  Asus was around back then, and we also sold them, but they required manual jumper settings, and most of the kids didn't want to mess with jumpers
  My first home built was with a ASUS mb. I accidentally overclocked a AMD '486/133 mhz to a 150Mhz. Damn thing was fast as hell but stable as a pig on stilts. You can still see my bogomips report for the beast on old bogomips reports for that time.
  To get any kind of stability out of it I had to back it down to 120mhz.
  
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Big whoop by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 07:05 · Score: 0

IBM has been selling 5GHz POWER chips for years now.
Native advertising? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 07:08 · Score: 0

How much was paid for this?
Origin PC? by phorm · 2017-01-05 07:11 · Score: 1

I would have expected there might be some trademark issues between EA and these guys, especially since both seem to be related to gaming on PC's (and their logo's are somewhat similar in terms of being swirly circles).
Domain-wise, it looks like origin.com was first (Dec 1993 VS Apr 2009)
1. Re:Origin PC? by Holi · 2017-01-05 07:23 · Score: 1
  
  Interesting, I wonder who EA bought that domain from, EA's origin was launched in 2011, so Origin PC has had the name longer (2009 v 2011).
  
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2. Re:Origin PC? by Oswald+McWeany · 2017-01-05 07:23 · Score: 1
  
  When I first saw the article I immediately thought "EA" and was ready to come on here and say: "there is sure as hell no way I'd buy any PC related to EA after all their spyware, and DRM debacle that disabled people's devices".
  Rather an unfortunate name. I wonder how many people won't even look at Origin's products because they think it's related to EA.
  
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3. Re:Origin PC? by halivar · 2017-01-05 07:32 · Score: 1
  
  Origin Systems was a game studio EA purchased. They produced Ultima, Wing Commander, and System Shock. They were absolutely awesome and I loved everything they did prior to EA buying them. Then they ruined both Ultima (with Ultima IX) and Wing Commander (with Privateer 2), and shuttered the studio. It's one of the many corpses of once-great game studios EA as left in its wake.
4. Re:Origin PC? by phorm · 2017-01-05 10:25 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah... so many good names.
  Westwood studios was another good one.
Real world benefit? by hackel · 2017-01-05 07:17 · Score: 3, Insightful

Can anyone name a single real-world benefit of doing this? Even in the gaming world, are there any cases in which this would change anything at all? This just seems like something people do "because they can." Which is cool and all, but not worth paying extra for.
1. Re:Real world benefit? by oakgrove · 2017-01-05 07:25 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  I'm not sure myself. I have a 3570k Ivy Bridge system for when I feel like some gaming (not often these days) and for a while I had it up to 4.5 GHz. Everything seemed smooth, but one day it overheated so I just said to hell with it and went back down to the stock 3.4. Lo and behold I could not tell the difference. Games had about the same frame rate and the overall system felt just as responsive. Maybe you have to be at the edge of the CPU performance envelope and typical video gaming just doesn't do that yet. BTW, I game on Linux and Windows and I noted this on both sides.
  
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2. Re:Real world benefit? by marklark · 2017-01-05 07:26 · Score: 1
  
  Bitcoin?
3. Re:Real world benefit? by Oswald+McWeany · 2017-01-05 07:26 · Score: 1
  
  A faster processor, sure, who wouldn't want one? Would most people notice the difference? Probably not, day to day it would be a micro second saved here and a microsecond saved there.
  Would I pay way over the odds to save microseconds here and there?
  No. But it's still nice to have a faster CPU for the 1% of the time it actually would save noticeable time. I assume gamers would want one, although the GPU is probably the most common bottleneck for games.
  
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4. Re:Real world benefit? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 08:27 · Score: 0
  
  Can anyone name a single real-world benefit of doing this?.
  Yep. Browsing https://www.yahoo.com/.
5. Re:Real world benefit? by colinduplantis · 2017-01-05 08:47 · Score: 1
  
  Hear, hear. I'm just contemplating the heat increase in my little Kaby Lake-powered laptop. No thanks.
  
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6. Re:Real world benefit? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 09:17 · Score: 1
  
  Not a chance. Specialized hardware is required these days.
7. Re:Real world benefit? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 09:41 · Score: 0
  
  CryptoNote would be useful - although you'd probably get better ROI from running a stack of CUBIs in place of a single high-end desktop.
8. Re:Real world benefit? by jwhyche · 2017-01-05 10:36 · Score: 0
  
  Can anyone name a single real-world benefit of doing this?
  The most remotely thing I can think of would be video encoding with h.264/h.265. Even then I believe that you would accomplish this better with distributive encoding across multiple platforms.
  Outside of that I see no practical use for it.
  
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9. Re:Real world benefit? by thegarbz · 2017-01-06 00:47 · Score: 1
  
  Even in the gaming world
  Nope. Games are not generally CPU constrained. I can think of others, video, photographic etc, but games will likely see a speed boost form GPU overclocking only.
10. Re:Real world benefit? by thegarbz · 2017-01-06 00:47 · Score: 1
  
  Bitcoin?
  No one mines Bitcoin on CPUs.
  No one who pays a powerbill anyway.
11. Re:Real world benefit? by Chelmet · 2017-01-06 01:30 · Score: 1
  
  I disagree with this, it's only really the case for FPS games. The likes of Factorio and Cities:Skylines are CPU bound.
12. Re:Real world benefit? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-08 15:16 · Score: 0
  
  You are out of date pops. Nowadays any mid-tier GPU is going to be bottlenecked by the CPU + memory bandwith.
Wrong way of handling it by hackwrench · 2017-01-05 07:29 · Score: 1

They shoud get confirmed clocks and sell different grades accordingly. It used to be said that parts at different clocks may have failed tests at higher clocks back in the day.
1. Re:Wrong way of handling it by omnichad · 2017-01-05 08:38 · Score: 1
  
  Right way of generating more profit for them. It's a lottery and they are running the casino.
2. Re:Wrong way of handling it by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-08 15:25 · Score: 0
  
  ...but they have confirmed the clocks? "Over 5Gz" is what they are promising, and everything else is gravy (this is exactly how Intel bins their parts too, like you said).
3. Re:Wrong way of handling it by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-08 15:30 · Score: 0
  
  How is it any more of a lottery than buying an unlocked CPU from any other vendor?
For gamers by Immerial · 2017-01-05 07:30 · Score: 1

The main bottleneck now days is seldom the CPU. Now it's more about storage speed, GPU, RAM, and bus limits. Some of the gains IMHO aren't really worth it. Instead of 145FPS with everything on... it's 153 FPS!!! W00t!11!1!!11! Who cares if my eyes can't tell the difference or the display can't keep up! :P
1. Re:For gamers by spire3661 · 2017-01-05 07:45 · Score: 1
  
  There are computing applications that will consume all the single-thread performance you can possibly throw at it. If you gave me a Terahertz workstation, i could utilize it, today, now. There is a whole GALAXY of applications that are bound by single thread perf.
  
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2. Re:For gamers by ChrisMaple · 2017-01-05 07:52 · Score: 1
  
  For most applications faster RAM gives very small overall speed improvement. A fast GPU is good for gaming and for those very few applications that do parallel math on the GPU.
  
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3. Re:For gamers by omnichad · 2017-01-05 08:37 · Score: 1
  
  Unless you're running Dolphin (Wii emulation). It can use up to 3 cores, but it's mostly limited by the single-core speed on the main thread. 10% isn't much, though.
4. Re:For gamers by Immerial · 2017-01-05 09:37 · Score: 1
  
  I meant more of the size 4GB vs 8 GB vs 16GB etc, then the speed and latency of RAM. ;) I agree with you that the RAM speed will give you a very small speed improvement.
5. Re:For gamers by yithar7153 · 2017-01-05 09:53 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah, which is why I think Linus Torvalds was right when he said The whole "parallel computing is the future" is a bunch of crock.
Ehh, so what are they offering? by Ecuador · 2017-01-05 07:36 · Score: 1

Ehh, so what are they offering? For extra $$, I'd expect an integrator to cherry pick the CPU's they get to provide me with one that can do 5GHz (which is not that huge of an overclock anyway, I mean I was around during the Celeron 300A era!), otherwise they are offering nothing. There is no such thing as "professional overclocking" when we are talking about a simple air-cooled system that lets you control clock speed and voltage, you simply try to go higher and run a benchmark to check stability and it all depends on how lucky you were with the CPU you got. And people who'd overclock usually enjoy the actual process of figuring that out. The only service they should charge for is guaranteed overclock, to remove the luck-factor from the equation.
On another note, AMD'd better come up with something decent fast, otherwise Intel is going to stagnate some more (performance and price-wise).

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1. Re:Ehh, so what are they offering? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 08:05 · Score: 0
  
  On another note, AMD'd better come up with something decent fast, otherwise Intel is going to stagnate some more (performance and price-wise).
  Just start chanting Zen Zen Zen Zen and zone out.
Re: Sluggish isn't the only problem with Windows 1 by hackwrench · 2017-01-05 07:47 · Score: 1

64-bit Windows programs will complain rhey are out of memory.
Re:Save your money, get Ryzen instead by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 07:48 · Score: 0

AyyMD
Take that shit back to /g/
Not saying its aliens... by hackwrench · 2017-01-05 07:49 · Score: 1

... but its aliens!
Missing the point by spiritplumber · 2017-01-05 07:50 · Score: 1

For the last ten years or so overclocking hasn't really been much use, it's more of a showing off thing. So why buy it? If you buy it what's the point? DIY and then you get bragging rights, buy it and you get... a pretty hefty bill for little gain.

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CPU @ 7Ghz! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 08:01 · Score: 0

Yeah, That's right!
The techies of the Over Clocker World has achieved over ~7Ghz.
Question: If the CPU is over 5Ghz, then what is the bottle neck? Is it the SATA HardDrive or the SSD?
Can U raid the NV or M.2 for faster speed?
Question: How fast can your eyes handle it, 125fps(Frames Per Second)?
Will take the AMD ZEN with more PCI-E maxed out by Joe_Dragon · 2017-01-05 08:16 · Score: 1

Will take the AMD ZEN with more PCI-E lanes maxed out for same price or less.
5 GHz "barrier" by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 08:26 · Score: 0

It's not a barrier. It's an arbitrary round number.
Confidence is a Warranty, Not A Press Release by Austerity+Empowers · 2017-01-05 08:37 · Score: 1

If you have confidence in this, then provide me with a warranty to replace and/or refund. I'm not talking about 90 days either, at least a year, preferrably 3. Any idiot can overclock something, it takes a bit of skill to do so and have it sort of work, and a whole lot of skill and engineering for it to be robust.
Custom AND Professional?!?!? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 09:05 · Score: 0

Wow that is some good quality shilling. The editor must have been one of those "correct the record" ... Uh... Er ... analysts? ... last year.
Sloppy metaphors by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 09:09 · Score: 0

In no sense is five gigahertz a "barrier." More of a milestone.
manishs == crap by Hognoxious · 2017-01-05 10:20 · Score: 1

Origin's has offered professional overclocking as a $75 option

Dear chappie, you appear to have been leaving out jolly old thing that is belonging to Origin.

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Coworkers... by Grog6 · 2017-01-05 10:36 · Score: 1

My coworkers would burn me at the stake or worse for overclocking one of our work machines.
They're mostly Dual Socket 2011 with as many cores as possible, and all the memory they can hold.
Not really conducive to cranking around on stuff, lol.
The computer is the cheapest part of that setup; the software is over 100k a seat, the guy in the seat, much more, lol.
OTOH, My personal gaming PC has been running an i7-3930k at 4.7GHz since about 2011 until now on a heat pipe cooler, ~63ÂC max.
I bought myself a closed water cooling system for Xmas, 3x120mm Fans and radiator to match.
I'm going to see if I can get my system to hit 5Ghz; if it dies, I have an excuse to upgrade. :)

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1. Re:Coworkers... by OrangeTide · 2017-01-06 06:46 · Score: 1
  
  Well it's a different company culture. My company is very research oriented and also very into gaming (not that we're gaming at work, but a lot of people are PC gamers).
  We develop a fair amount of the tools ourselves, and it's ran on a cluster of custom hardware. A lot of the hardware design tools we license are also thousands of dollars per seat (I don't know the exact price, probably around $50k), yet they benefit from having a really fast single core system. You can trim an hour off the turn around time if you tune your system up.
  For us, the engineering time is the most expensive part. The software and hardware is a distant third. My dev board is $250k, we use them in shifts to maximize the utilization.
  
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Serving a niche I guess by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 10:50 · Score: 0

I don't know who really needs to do this, or how much external cooling will be required to achieve 5Ghz. I see the AMD Zen as at least making some headway against Intel. As I see it, your seeing PC's moving into two areas, really cheap web devices, and really expensive ultrabook's and gaming machines. I know from experience the middle priced notebooks are not much better than the cheap ones in overall quality. You want a decent notebook these days your going to have to break that one grand mark.
Practical significance? by iamacat · 2017-01-05 14:24 · Score: 1

Overclocking 33mhz 386 to 40mhz was a solid bump in practical productivity. In what work or fun activities will CPU be a bottleneck in this case? Are GPU, RAM, flash and so on speced and overclocked to accommodate increased CPU speed?
I can imagine solving an NP-complete problem for which no parallel algorithms are known. For everything else, multi GPU setup or a box full of inexpensive compute sticks will probably provide better bang for the buck. Games and productivity apps are usually written to avoid serial NP-complete problems because then they will be pretty slow.
1. Re:Practical significance? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-06 05:15 · Score: 0
  
  serial algorithms that run in polynomial time can be quite CPU intensive too for datasets of non-trivial size.
and last all of about a year. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-06 14:16 · Score: 0

there is always a trade off, you want to run at higher frequencies fine, just don't complain when the lifespan is a quarter what you expect....