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Origin PC's Custom, Professional Overclocking Will Push Your Kaby Lake Chip Past 5GHz (pcworld.com)
An anonymous reader writes: Intel's new Kaby Lake desktop processors may not be huge improvements over their Skylake predecessors in terms of raw speed, but they've got it where it counts in one enthusiast-friendly area: overclocking. Now the high-end custom PC builder Origin is putting its (and your) money where its mouth is. Origin's has offered professional overclocking as a $75 option in its systems for a while, and now the builder is touting that Kaby Lake desktops chips will go up to -- and potentially over -- the 5GHz barrier. Hot, hot, hot, hot damn. Intel's chips haven't hit such lofty heights since the Sandy Bridge days and the Core i7-2600K. Since then, Intel's processors usually tap out around the 4.5GHz mark. While the current wording for Origin's professional overclocking doesn't guarantee a set frequency due to the silicon lottery -- promising only that "Origin PC's award winning system integrators will overclock your processor and squeeze out every last megahertz" with every overclock "stringently tested and benchmarked for ensured stability" -- the company must feel darn confident to market that 5GHz number in big, bold numbers in a press release.
Most people don't even need a desktop PC. But some people really do have practical application for a high performance computer. (Although I have my doubts that any of Origin's customer are doing anything practical with their machines)
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4.5 GHz is not only achievable, it's actually a speed i7-7700k will run stock, air-cooled in turbo mode. So 5GHz on Skylake would have been about a 20% improvement over stock, on Kaby Lake it's 10%.
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The last time I overclocked a processor was an Intel Pentium (Socket-7) from 133MHz to 200MHz (IIRC). I haven't overclocked a processor since then.
The thing is that these days, pretty much anything you buy isn't slow. 98% of computers sold are more than up to the task of every day use.
Seems to me these things are like guys modding their cars. For instance taking a stock v6 mustang, removing the governor, adding a supercharger and replacing various bits and pieces to make a 160 MPH car out of one that will already easily go fast enough to get yer ass put in jail.
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I could use it for flight simulation and audio processing, which both require loads of CPU and RAM. But I've just checked their website and a high end Origin PC is a bit out of my preferred price range. An upper mid-range PC will also do.
I would have expected there might be some trademark issues between EA and these guys, especially since both seem to be related to gaming on PC's (and their logo's are somewhat similar in terms of being swirly circles).
Domain-wise, it looks like origin.com was first (Dec 1993 VS Apr 2009)
Can anyone name a single real-world benefit of doing this? Even in the gaming world, are there any cases in which this would change anything at all? This just seems like something people do "because they can." Which is cool and all, but not worth paying extra for.
overclocking is third party binning. When IBM sells you a 4.5 GHz POWER chip, it's not called overclocking. When a small company takes a batch of Intel chips and tests them, it's called overclocking.
You can find professionals that run overclocked workstations. It's not that uncommon, at least among my coworkers.
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They shoud get confirmed clocks and sell different grades accordingly. It used to be said that parts at different clocks may have failed tests at higher clocks back in the day.
The main bottleneck now days is seldom the CPU. Now it's more about storage speed, GPU, RAM, and bus limits. Some of the gains IMHO aren't really worth it. Instead of 145FPS with everything on... it's 153 FPS!!! W00t!11!1!!11! Who cares if my eyes can't tell the difference or the display can't keep up! :P
Ehh, so what are they offering? For extra $$, I'd expect an integrator to cherry pick the CPU's they get to provide me with one that can do 5GHz (which is not that huge of an overclock anyway, I mean I was around during the Celeron 300A era!), otherwise they are offering nothing. There is no such thing as "professional overclocking" when we are talking about a simple air-cooled system that lets you control clock speed and voltage, you simply try to go higher and run a benchmark to check stability and it all depends on how lucky you were with the CPU you got. And people who'd overclock usually enjoy the actual process of figuring that out. The only service they should charge for is guaranteed overclock, to remove the luck-factor from the equation.
On another note, AMD'd better come up with something decent fast, otherwise Intel is going to stagnate some more (performance and price-wise).
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64-bit Windows programs will complain rhey are out of memory.
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For the last ten years or so overclocking hasn't really been much use, it's more of a showing off thing. So why buy it? If you buy it what's the point? DIY and then you get bragging rights, buy it and you get... a pretty hefty bill for little gain.
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Will take the AMD ZEN with more PCI-E lanes maxed out for same price or less.
Windows 10 might actually be able to run on it with out feeling sluggish.
Try defragging the hard disk.
you don't just go about defragging an SSD YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD!
That's an automated service on Windows 10. Try replacing with an SSD.
If you have confidence in this, then provide me with a warranty to replace and/or refund. I'm not talking about 90 days either, at least a year, preferrably 3. Any idiot can overclock something, it takes a bit of skill to do so and have it sort of work, and a whole lot of skill and engineering for it to be robust.
you don't just go about defragging an SSD YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD!
Hard drive != SSD
Not on Windows Vista and up.
careful. you seem to be ASSuming that the OP is in fact using a spinning disk. Also, defrag on non-SSDs has been an automatically scheduled weekly task since Win7.
Not on Windows Vista and up.
Maybe the Home version. I've done quite a few defrags on Windows 7 systems in the corporate environment. Automatic defrag is typically disabled by group policy.
Automatic defrag is typically disabled by group policy.
If so, that's not by default. Someone decided to manually push out that policy. Or worse, have a policy of shutting down systems at night and preventing any maintenance overnight at all.
If so, that's not by default. Someone decided to manually push out that policy. Or worse, have a policy of shutting down systems at night and preventing any maintenance overnight at all.
That seems to be the default policy for the Fortune 500 companies I've worked at. The rational for disabling automatic defragging is that it interferes with other stuff going during the maintenance window or programs being run overnight. This might be a non-issue now that newer PCs have SSDs instead of HDDs. My two-year-old work laptop with an SSD card has never ever ran defragger.
The rational for disabling automatic defragging is that it interferes with other stuff going during the maintenance window or programs being run overnight
While that's true, you can set scheduled tasks to run with a timer - if it takes longer than its allotted time it can be stopped to make way for the next item. If it's running weekly on schedule, it shouldn't take long to run anyway.
This might be a non-issue now that newer PCs have SSDs instead of HDDs
Complete non-issue. In fact, it's recommended to not even bother defragging, because that will just increase the write cycles.
Dear chappie, you appear to have been leaving out jolly old thing that is belonging to Origin.
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A SSD might look like a HDD to the OS and perform the same operation but under the hood the technology is completely different.
When I cloned my HDD to SSD, Windows changed a registry setting to mark the SSD as a USB drive. Never mind that I booted the SSD from SATA after replacing the HDD. It prevented the Windows 10 Anniversary update from installing.
My coworkers would burn me at the stake or worse for overclocking one of our work machines.
They're mostly Dual Socket 2011 with as many cores as possible, and all the memory they can hold.
Not really conducive to cranking around on stuff, lol.
The computer is the cheapest part of that setup; the software is over 100k a seat, the guy in the seat, much more, lol.
OTOH, My personal gaming PC has been running an i7-3930k at 4.7GHz since about 2011 until now on a heat pipe cooler, ~63ÂC max.
I bought myself a closed water cooling system for Xmas, 3x120mm Fans and radiator to match.
I'm going to see if I can get my system to hit 5Ghz; if it dies, I have an excuse to upgrade. :)
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you seem to be ASSuming that the OP is in fact using a spinning disk.
Based on the initial description and my experience as a help desk technician, a fragged hard drive was a likely cause. If the OP has an SSD, my advice would be irrelevant.
Also, defrag on non-SSDs has been an automatically scheduled weekly task since Win7.
As I pointed out to someone else, that may be true for the Home version. Most Fortune 500 companies I've worked at disable automatic defragging in the Enterprise version, as it would interfere with something else during the maintenance window or slow the down a program running overnight. I still do manual disk frags at home because my Windows computers are not on 24/7.
Seems to me these things are like guys modding their cars. For instance taking a stock v6 mustang, removing the governor, adding a supercharger and replacing various bits and pieces to make a 160 MPH car out of one that will already easily go fast enough to get yer ass put in jail.
There seem to be two classes of PC modding, where one is functional and the other is cosmetic, and then there's every shade of grey in between. You know, just like cars. These fancy liquid cooling setups with their glass pipes are fruity AF, not that there's anything wrong with that. It's less of a waste of time and money than doing the same stuff with a car, and if it leaks it only leaks on your desk and not on the road.
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Overclocking 33mhz 386 to 40mhz was a solid bump in practical productivity. In what work or fun activities will CPU be a bottleneck in this case? Are GPU, RAM, flash and so on speced and overclocked to accommodate increased CPU speed?
I can imagine solving an NP-complete problem for which no parallel algorithms are known. For everything else, multi GPU setup or a box full of inexpensive compute sticks will probably provide better bang for the buck. Games and productivity apps are usually written to avoid serial NP-complete problems because then they will be pretty slow.
Overclocked systems are more likely to have computational glitches, and are likely to fail sooner. Not what you want in a business.
False. If done incorrectly and without proper validation tests, then yes you would have an unstable system. But correctly done there is little difference between a third party overclocking and the vendor's own SiVal and binning.
You personally may not wish to choose this route, but people do exist in the professional world that have used overclocked systems as engineering workstations or for academic research. And I don't think you can easily dismiss their decision to do so.
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