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Apple Could Finally Sell More Devices Than Microsoft In 2017 (computerworld.com)
Gartner predicts Apple will ship more iOS and macOS devices in 2017 than Windows-powered devices "for the first time this century," and then increase their lead over the next two years. An anonymous reader quotes Computerworld:
Gartner predicted that iOS + macOS, unlike Windows, will recover in 2017. Apple's OSes will climb 8% to 268 million this year, add 3% in 2018 to reach 276 million, then increase another 3% in 2019, with that year's device shipment forecast at 285 million. Windows will dip this year, then stagnate for the following two years... The gap between Microsoft and Apple -- 12 million last year, with Microsoft atop -- will widen to 27 million by 2019, advantage Apple.
"The global devices market is stagnating," said Gartner analyst Ranjit Atwal in a statement Wednesday. Mobile phone shipments are growing only in emerging markets in the Asia and Pacific markets, Atwal added, and noted that "The PC market is just reaching the bottom of its decline." The PC industry's troubles have affected Microsoft most of all; Windows is almost entirely dependent on PC shipments, which have been stuck in a protracted slump. Future shipments were further hit when Microsoft walked away from the smartphone business last year.
The article also points out that even in 2016, Windows devices came in second, and "accounted for approximately 11.2% of the total devices, which overwhelmingly ran Google's Android."
"The global devices market is stagnating," said Gartner analyst Ranjit Atwal in a statement Wednesday. Mobile phone shipments are growing only in emerging markets in the Asia and Pacific markets, Atwal added, and noted that "The PC market is just reaching the bottom of its decline." The PC industry's troubles have affected Microsoft most of all; Windows is almost entirely dependent on PC shipments, which have been stuck in a protracted slump. Future shipments were further hit when Microsoft walked away from the smartphone business last year.
The article also points out that even in 2016, Windows devices came in second, and "accounted for approximately 11.2% of the total devices, which overwhelmingly ran Google's Android."
And every Android device sold gives Microsoft 5-15 dollars of pure profit because of licensing agreements.
Apples and Oranges
I mean, come on. Microsoft isn't even "shipping" these devices in the first place.
But since when does comparing apples and oranges to just oranges not make you a joke?
Predictions are not worth the toilet paper they are printed on.
Apple has suffered from a lack of progress ever since Jobs died. They are treading water... it took them 5 years to update the MacBook, and what we got was lackluster. 'Predicting' that they will succeed and Microsoft will falter is dubious.
The only real winner is Google, with Over 3/4 of the market for device operating systems.
"I will trust Google to 'do no evil' until the founders no longer run it." Hello Alphabet.
No tracking. No gimmicks.
Seriously!
I know it's not billions but it's at least a 100 million a year. They should have stayed there and been grateful with 50 employees.
The part they are leaving out is that everyone will also be installing Linux on those devices because 2017 is finally going to be the year of the Linux Desktop! ;)
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
I think it's too early to tell what will happen 6 months from now in the Technology world. One hit device can change everything.
The biggest mistake Microsoft made with windows phone was charging a license fee for the OS. It should have been free for all manufactures to use.
Ok so Apple may sell more devices than Windows next year. Apple is losing share in Window's biggest market, the desktop and laptop PC, which has never been dependent upon additional software sales for pushing devices to market.
MS walked away from the phone market pretty much. But they never had a solid foothold in it anyways.
MS is indeed in the tablet market, but still very niche compared to the gorillas iOS and Android.
Oh wait, are we gonna talk about Google selling more devices than either (Android has more of the mobile device market than Apple after all)?
Nah. He wants to keep Apple stock up until he and his buddies decide to sell at the top of the bubble and pop it. Why else compare two irrelevant numbers as if they were somehow connected and important? Or is he just an idiot who doesn't know even the latest flagship laptops and desktops from Apple are using 5 year old technology which makes them less useful than your average WalMart special with an extra 200 USD dropped on extra RAM and a decent graphics card, and twice as expensive as the same computer package!
Apple: Losing ground in both PC and Mobile markets. BUY! BUY! BUY!!!!
To jump back in though... more and more PC owners are learning they don't need to ditch their 3 year old computer and can instead opt to upgrade it. SSD, more RAM, and a new graphics card and their old machine is better than new. But they do buy those extras and upgrades... can we count those as device buys? If we did, would that blow the doors off both Apple and Google? Would it prove old men who don't understand technology are using increasingly outdated metrics to make market predictions and pump stocks to sell to other old men who don't understand it either?
Apple has pretty much perfected the passive aggressive forced obsolescence thing.
They don't actively force you to upgrade anything. They just make sure you can't downgrade any of their handhelds (unless you take it into the service center, then you're getting upgraded to the latest iOS whether you want it or not- good chance if you've got an older device, this will intentionally cripple it by installing a slower OS).
All their software basically requires the latest greatest OS as soon as they're able to pull that off without pissing off the majority. Don't have the latest OS? Too bad for you, backwards compatibility hasn't been a thing since they dropped Rosetta support in 10.7. Then you run into stupid situations where your handheld doesn't want to sync with iTunes because iTunes is too old (even though all this shit should be standardized to the point that it doesn't matter), and you can't upgrade iTunes because that requires a new version of the OS, but the new version of the OS has fairly serious quirks on your current hardware... etc, etc, etc.
The hilarious thing is that most of the people I know who have money to spend... Basically just throw their hands up in the air, and run out and buy all new stuff. Which works for 2-3 years, until all the Apple software changes enough that things stop working again, and then they just do the exact same thing.
Meanwhile, Windows 10 will run on a... what, 10 year old computer? It's no wonder they're not selling more devices than Apple.
Have computerworld gone mad? In a year when apple's production, sales, and profits are DOWN they're still apparently growing?
Something makes no sense whatsoever.
Everyone has their userbase, and is making obscene amounts of money for very little actual work or innovation and MS/Google/Apple are quite happy and only interested in continuing this trend.
They are all, rather than labeling buttons/options creating glyphs that make switching platforms more difficult for theirs... Making deals with hardware vendors to add hardware and or firmware blocks to keep Linux or any other OS off their hardware. This is not overly necessary as some simply don't release hardware/driver specs so the work needed to create a driver isn't worth the effort to the linux community(Winbook TW700-TW100 tablets would be one example of the majority of tablets and power efficient laptops).
I will give up computers before running Windows 10 or newer on principle of its EULA and MS's behavior ; Apple never stood a chance(With me, I'm from the 80s and not gay or trendy and know value of hardware) and Android is only popular because the alternatives are SOOOO BAD already.
Put some effort into building a x86 PC Phone, modern OQO that can SMS/Dial through a simple program on any Linux/WindowsXP-Win7+ and I suspect it would blow them all out of water; but that would break the garden walls and end need for laptops/desktops for the average user(plug into dock when you get where your going).
>production, sales, and profits are DOWN
>they're still apparently growing?
No, someone else is shrinking faster.
Yes yes, you are a very special snowflake who needs special computers.
Openbox works fine for me, thanks.
Uhhh... yeah it did but right now Apple is asleep at the wheel while Microsoft is actually innovating. The Linux subsystem in Windows 10 is very awesome.
As a long time Mac user (12 years) I'm getting ready to go to Windows as sad as that is for me.
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>"Gartner predicts Apple will ship more iOS and macOS devices in 2017 than Windows-powered devices"
So? That includes phones so it is not much of a metric.
You want to mop the floor and talk about "devices"? Then count how many devices ship with any form of Linux.... that would DWARF both Apple and MS. Android phones, Chromebooks, DVR's, cars, watches, TV's, tablets, routers, appliances, servers, etc, etc. When you look at that, Apple and MS are both just drops in an ocean.
95% of them will be returned because they have no headphone jack and no USB-A ports.
Here is 5c dude. Go and buy yourself a better computer.
Apple and the pussification of America:
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So if this is true as well it just means falling desktop/laptop sales in general.
Apple has suffered from a lack of progress ever since Jobs died. They are treading water... it took them 5 years to update the MacBook, and what we got was lackluster.
Not entirely correct. After Jobs died they had a year or two of progress before it petered out and it only took they 1.5 years to update the MacBook - but what we got was over expensive crap, not just lacklustre. It is the Mac itself, specifically the Mac Pro, which they have not updated for ~4 years and which they still attempt to sell for full price which is appalling.
It is hard to see how this prediction will come true unless there is a surge in iOS devices because at the moment Apple have no mac machines which can compete with PCs and MS is now clearly out innovating them with its surface line. It's bad enough that my next laptop will be the new Dell XPS 15 - the CPU and GPU are both better than the new MacBook pros, it has both USB-C and USB-A (see Apple you can put both on a laptop), the keyboard actually moves, the entire screen is touch-based and it costs $1,000 less. I can't see how Apple will grow with competition like this. macOS may be better then Windows 10 but Windows 10 has improved enormously and you can always use Linux if you need to.
Shouldn't this have always been the case? MS makes software and sells services, their focus isn't really on devices, they let third parties do that
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It's not the Apple cart that's increasing sales given that the bad year they had.
It's just Windows becoming less relevant as a OS platform.
I'm saying Windows, not Microsoft cos they are way less relevant on their Windows Ecosystem and they still manage to grow steadily. They are just no longer the same company that's OS centric anymore.
That's only a good thing in my view :)
I know I'm not buying any.
I don't want a thinner MacBook. I want one I can upgrade.
I don't want a dongle laden iPhone. I want a mother fucking headphone jack.
Honestly, the new MacBooks are shit. I buy used MacBooks from 2012 and upgrade the components and they are fine.
Apple is fucking over their customers.
And I'm an iOS developer.
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What the? Apple is traditionally a hardware company and Microsoft traditionally a software company, even at its lowest sales in the 90s Apple always sold more than Microsoft, beating zero is really easy.
And Apple has had a *very* robust BSD subsystem since 2001. I'm so glad you're so excited about the Linux subsystem, my we Mac users have actually been getting work done with BSD tools for the last 15 years.
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Brought to you by the same pollsters that say Hillary has a 95% chance to win, Obama as a 60% approval rating and now is the PERFECT time to remove Headphone jacks.
Are we considering a dongle a device now?
Give it up slashdot. At this point most of us are only here for the LOLs.
...because if you compare "computers with a microsoft OS installed" to "computers installed with an apple OS" installed, MS wins.
They are lumping in mobile devices for apple and MS into the mix...which is meaningless. That's the article writers assumption that a) a phone is a computer (to an extent it is) and b) thus, it should be included in the numbers.
It's misleading.
And stupid.
p.s. crApple products suck. At least more and more of their fanbois of de-innovation are slowly moving away from them.
I just need computers that don't actively get into my way (like OSX/iOS do)