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Choked By Smog, Beijing Creates A New Environmental Police Force (csmonitor.com)

An anonymous reader quotes the Christian Science Monitor: A new police force will crack down on environmental offenders in Beijing, city officials announced Saturday, marking the Chinese government's latest attempt to reduce smog... Other measures included cutting coal use by 30 percent in 2017, shutting down 500 higher-polluting factories and upgrading 2,500 others, phasing out 300,000 higher-polluting older vehicles, and supplying cleaner gas and diesel at fuel stations starting February 15. The announcement came one day after municipal authorities in Beijing announced they would install air purifiers in the city's schools and kindergartens.
Beijing's mayor said that smoke from trash burning and open-air barbecues and even dust from roads "are actually the result of lax supervision and weak law enforcement."

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  1. the EPF by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    EPA was already taken

    1. Re:the EPF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Actually, can we export all our climate change activists - from the Leo di Caprios, the Algores, the Hollywood climate activists and so on - to Beijing, so that they can help the Chinese regime crack down on any and every violation of environmental standards?

      It's really like we are destined as a species to go the way of the lemmings. Here is someone who just admitted that the climate in China is a problem. His apparent solution is to suggest sarcastically that we should give them our environmental regulations, so, what, so we can have killer smog?

      16 of the last 17 years have been records, yet we as a species seemed determined to plug our ears and flip on Faux News where we can learn the real and correct truth. I supposed worst comes to worst, if we do manage to eventually end ourselves as a species, there is always the chance that a lifeform that evolves from cockroaches will somehow replace us ;)

      Decisions need to be based on science and reason, yet we seem to think populist dumb assery is the answer of late.

    2. Re: the EPF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Maybe not but if you want something to thrive you don't appoint someone to head it who is known to be against some of it's core ideals, like Jeremy Hunt and the N.H.S or closer to your question, Scott Pruitt, the Oklahoma attorney general suing EPA on climate change who Trump picked to head the EPA.

    3. Re: the EPF by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Like so many other US politicians they say a whole bunch of crap, one lot of crap to get major campaign donor cash and another load to get votes so they can continue to get campaign donor cash, incidentally they spend as little as possible on advertisements and as much as possible on inflated insider campaign salaries and management fees (not to forget the off balance sheet tax haven 'er' bonuses).

      China has more environmental regulations than the US, they are simply far more corrupt at a regulatory level and as such are much worse off. Problem is, anything they attempt to implement will again be corrupted and again fail to achieve targets.

      Chinas problem much like the US at the moment is the inability to achieve goals as a result of corruption weaken efforts to achieve those goals, China of course worse of than the US, although the US is catching up, whilst China is starting to clean up, not just the environment but also corruption.

      The new US solution to all of it's problems, control the messaging. If people do not hear about all the problems, the corruption, then the problems 'er' no longer exist.

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    4. Re: the EPF by peragrin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is what Trump is going to do. He is going to force the politicians to actually do all the things they say. I hate Trump but kind of executed by the prospect that all the horrible ideas republicans have are finally going to be put to the test. Wipe out Obamacare. Wipe out Medicare wipe out social security wipe out the EPA wipe out those pesky regulations that only existsed because some company was screwing people over.

      Just look at the Obamacare talks. 6 friggin years of complaining and only now are they talking about replacement instead of out right repeal. Only now do they hesitate. Trump won't let them hesitate. Also the only reason Obamacare works at all is the fact that Obamacare forced the poor and cheap to pay their fair share to the best of their ability. Otherwise they get it all for free on the governments dime. Without the individual mandate we go back to the old system of 50 million plus without health insurance as why pay for it for republicans give it you for free?

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    5. Re: the EPF by queequeg1 · · Score: 2

      Trump nominated Scott Pruitt to head the EPA. He nominated Perry for Department of Energy.

    6. Re: the EPF by mspohr · · Score: 2

      Oops... I guess I forgot also.
      Pruitt has been suing the EPA to prevent clean air regulations. He should be able to cripple the EPA.

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  2. Here's a hint, police detectives! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's your fucking coal plants. You have a ton of them and no emission regulations. Either clean their output or get rid of them.

    But that's not why you created this force, is it? You'd rather use this PR stunt to blame random Chinese people grilling out in their yard.

    1. Re:Here's a hint, police detectives! by Guspaz · · Score: 4, Informative

      You could have at least read the summary, where they say they're going to cut coal use by 30% this year alone.

  3. Lax Supervision by PPH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In related news, Beijing announces the creation of a pollution enforcement squad. You'll see them driving up and down the streets in big vans, looking for violators.

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  4. Outdoor BBQs by rossz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, it couldn't be all those coal burning plants they are building and bringing online faster than the rest of the world can reduce pollution. Definitely the outdoor bbqs.

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  5. Re:Name suggestion by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    Worth mentioning that while pollution can cause health problems, poverty causes health problems too.

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  6. And Spend $360 billion on Renewables by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The bigger story is that they are investing $360 billion on renewable energy over the next 4 years.

    That's a plan that will not only pay dividends in pollution reduction, it will keep them on the cutting edge of energy technology. An industry that is obviously a growth market because India and Africa both have tons of unmet demand for energy and Chinese companies are going to own that market.

    Meanwhile, the US has just voted for more coal. Maybe, if we are lucky, some more fracking too.

    The future is bright! (for china)

    1. Re:And Spend $360 billion on Renewables by AvitarX · · Score: 2

      Im pretty sure that's why fracking was mentioned as an "if we're lucky".

      Every step of it is far better than coal, and it's cheaper.

      In general for new production green > gas > coal

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    2. Re:And Spend $360 billion on Renewables by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Game over for whom, though?

      Where do you think your economy is going to be heading without cheap computers, TV, appliances and gadgets from China? You might want to ask your dad or grandpa what they had to put down for a TV set. They'll probably tell you an amount not far from what you have to pay for one today. With the difference, though, that this was what they made in wages in a month or maybe two.

      Hmm... thinking about it, considering how the "generation internship" is working, that's not too different to what it's like today...

      Now imagine that TV doesn't cost 300 bucks but 3,000 bucks. Made with pride in the USA, no doubt. Sold ... erh ... well, nowhere, because nobody abroad would pay 3k bucks for a TV and nobody can afford it in that proud USA.

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  7. Beijing city can't fix its pollution itself by nicolaiplum · · Score: 5, Informative

    Beijing itself is fairly clean for a developing economy capital. Most of the cars are pretty new, there are not too many two-stroke tuktuks or scooters, etc. There aren't that many factories within city limits, as most were all closed or moved for the 2008 Olympics. The pollution isn't generated in the city. That's why you see the dramatic video online of "smog sweeping in" - it arrives from elsewhere, you can see it at higher levels in the air already, it doesnt'tcome from the street level. It's actually uncanny being in Beijing when the smog is bad because you can't see any source, no "that truck is belching smoke" or "that chimney is putting out smoke". It arrives from out of sight.

    The problem is the surrounding Hebei province which has many of the coal and iron ore mines of China, and much heavy industry and processing of the ores using coal. Beiing can't enforce pollution controls in Hebei and the industrialists in Hebei don't care at all while they make money. For a USA equivalent, imagine if if Connecticut, Long Island and New Jersey were covered in dirty industrial plant while New York City was trying to improve its air quality. They wouldn't succeed.

    It's nice to see Beijing trying to clean up its air, but it won't improve anything until Hebei province has a similar enforcement and it is effective.

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    1. Re:Beijing city can't fix its pollution itself by hey! · · Score: 2

      You're right, Beijing is not the worst. Ranked by PM2.5 concentrations, it's only the 57th worst. The worst is Zabol, Iran, although that is in fact a natural phenomenon caused by persistent winds carrying in fine desert particulates. The worst man-made pollution is the Indian city of Gwalior which hits PM 2.5 concentrations of 325 micrograms / m^3, roughly 3x the levels of Beijing's nightmarish.

      While it's true that Beijing's problems won't be fixed until Heibei gets its act in order, I suspect Beijing contributes more to its pollution problems than you are suggesting. Many cars and trucks don't have the mandated emissions equipment, so they might as well be old ones. And Beijing still has a couple of operational coal plants, although they've been switching over to natural gas.

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  8. It will take a major dye off to wake us up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We are not going to act effectively to curb our misuse of the environment until there is a major human die off that makes the second world war look like a school yard tussle. When you have a world wide economy that is based almost solely upon the consumption of fossil fuels and this economy would tank if we started to quickly reduce consumption, the only way we will change our ways is when we have no other choice and accept a radical reduction in our consumption. The pruning of the human race is not far off and those who can get by without burning up carbon will survive. If ocean circulation patterns change radically because of what we are doing, it is quite possible that major smog events will start to happen more frequently.

    It is also possible that the shedding of the ice shelves of Antarctica and Greenland will cause radical local ocean cooling and boost the speed of a radical change in ocean currents. If the ocean currents change over night then it is quite possible that the jet stream will temporarily stop as well. With the known aspects climate change science being a taboo subject in Washington and other world capitols like Moscow we will not see these events coming. I am sure we will go on to blame only Chinese backyard BBQ's and coal generation industry and ignore other important sources like the current move to smogify the US by Trump.The world wide and American coal and the petro chemical industry is just as much to blame here as are we all, when we pave and abuse the shit out of our shared environment with abandon. The outlook for the human race is bleak primarily because we ignore things that we don't like to admit are our fault in the first place. I am sure that as the current crop of Right wing nutjobs is let loose to do a Joseph Goebbels on the American public "Chinese state sponsored pollution" will become one of the most terrible "villain du jour"! Right up there with the evil "Liberal Democrats" who brought affordable health care to millions.

  9. Re:Not expecting many caught aside from unconnecte by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 2

    It will affect those who haven't "cultivated their political connections" adequately. Follow the money.