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'Tooth Repair Drug' May Replace Fillings (bbc.com)

Teeth can be encouraged to repair themselves in a way that could see an end to fillings, according to scientists. From a report on BBC: The team at King's College London showed that a chemical could encourage cells in the dental pulp to heal small holes in mice teeth. A biodegradable sponge was soaked in the drug and then put inside the cavity. The study, published in Scientific Reports, showed it led to "complete, effective natural repair." Teeth have limited regenerative abilities. They can produce a thin band of dentine -- the layer just below the enamel -- if the inner dental pulp becomes exposed, but this cannot repair a large cavity. [...] Scientists discovered that a drug called Tideglusib heightened the activity of stem cells in the dental pulp so they could repair 0.13mm holes in the teeth of mice. A drug-soaked sponge was placed in the hole and then a protective coating was applied over the top. As the sponge broke down it was replaced by dentine, healing the tooth.

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  1. Still amazing how poorly understood enamel is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'd think tooth enamel is the most precious and hard to come by substance in the human body.

  2. Teeth - Britain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Punch line still coming?

    1. Re:Teeth - Britain by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      The stereotype was probably last relevant in the 19th century. It is what happens when a wealthy class gets access to sugar cane but teeth brushing is not widely observed.

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    2. Re:Teeth - Britain by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      Have you seen British teeth in recent decades? Theirs are nicer than those of us who live in the US, now.

    3. Re:Teeth - Britain by slew · · Score: 1

      Have you seen British teeth in recent decades? Theirs are nicer than those of us who live in the US, now.

      Maybe nicer, but only if can pay out of pocket, or you can find an NHS dentist...

      Brexit may exasperate this probably as many dentist in the UK come from EU countries...

    4. Re:Teeth - Britain by tsqr · · Score: 3, Informative

      Brexit may exasperate this probably

      No matter how exasperated you may be over Brexit, it's more likely to exacerbate the problem (or the probably, if that's really what you meant).

    5. Re: Teeth - Britain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exacerbate.

  3. This may lead to an even more interesting... by MindPrison · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...development, namely food additives that could actually help heal your teeth or at least as an micro-repair that's not damaging to the body, but will fill up microcavities over time.

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    1. Re:This may lead to an even more interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Food additives that could help heal your teeth that are thought to be non-damaging to the body at first, but found to be carcinogenic a few years later.

      FTFY, a.k.a. stop thinking about additives as a miracle solution. Stop putting crap for our teeth in water, we already have toothpaste and toothbrushes.

    2. Re:This may lead to an even more interesting... by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      You're not going to want to ingest cell growth promoters willy-nilly...

    3. Re:This may lead to an even more interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      You're not going to want to ingest cell growth promoters willy-nilly...

      However, if you ingest cell growth promoters for your willy-nilly... Well then, that's a horse of a different color... So to speak.

    4. Re:This may lead to an even more interesting... by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2

      Down that way lies cancer, and lots of it.

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    5. Re:This may lead to an even more interesting... by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Put it in coffee (Tea for British).

    6. Re:This may lead to an even more interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You know when fluoridation first began? Nineteen hundred and forty-six. 1946, AC. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

    7. Re:This may lead to an even more interesting... by ckatko · · Score: 1

      What doesn't cause cancer at this point?

    8. Re:This may lead to an even more interesting... by wyHunter · · Score: 0

      It might explain why people of the US have gotten dramatically stupider since then.

    9. Re:This may lead to an even more interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Death.

    10. Re: This may lead to an even more interesting... by OrangeTide · · Score: 0

      what if smart people aren't dying because we gave them vaccines?

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    11. Re:This may lead to an even more interesting... by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Telomerase inhibitors?

    12. Re:This may lead to an even more interesting... by Solandri · · Score: 1

      No, the interesting thing will be people using this to modify their teeth. Y'know, the wannabe vampires or furries who want longer canines, or all their front teeth to be pointed.

    13. Re:This may lead to an even more interesting... by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      Some of the stuff not listed here may not cause cancer:

      Acetaldehyde, acrylamide, acrylonitril, abortion, agent orange, alar, alcohol, air pollution, aldrin, alfatoxin, arsenic, arsine, asbestos, asphalt fumes, atrazine, AZT, baby food, barbequed meat, benzene, benzidine, benzopyrene, beryllium, beta-carotene, betel nuts, birth control pills, bottled water, bracken, bread, breasts, brooms, bus stations, calcium channel blockers, cadmium, candles, captan, carbon black, carbon tetrachloride, careers for women, casual sex, car fumes, celery, charred foods, cooked foods, chewing gum, Chinese food, Chinese herbal supplements, chips, chloramphenicol, chlordane, chlorinated camphene, chlorinated water, chlorodiphenyl, chloroform, cholesterol, low cholesterol, chromium, coal tar, coffee, coke ovens, crackers, creosote, cyclamates, dairy products, deodorants, depleted uranium, depression, dichloryacetylene, DDT, dieldrin, diesel exhaust, diet soda, dimethyl sulphate, dinitrotouluene, dioxin, dioxane, epichlorhydrin, ethyle acrilate, ethylene, ethilene dibromide, ethnic beliefs,ethylene dichloride, Ex-Lax, fat, fluoridation, flying, formaldehyde, free radicals, french fries, fruit, gasoline, genes, gingerbread, global warming, gluteraldehyde, granite, grilled meat, Gulf war, hair dyes, hamburgers, heliobacter pylori, hepatitis B virus, hexachlorbutadiene, hexachlorethane, high bone mass, hot tea, HPMA, HRT, hydrazine, hydrogen peroxide, incense, infertility, jewellery, Kepone, kissing, lack of exercise, laxatives, lead, left handedness, Lindane, Listerine, low fibre diet, magnetic fields, malonaldehyde, mammograms, manganese, marijuana, methyl bromide, methylene chloride, menopause, microwave ovens, milk hormones, mixed spices, mobile phones, MTBE, nickel, night lighting, night shifts, nitrates, not breast feeding, not having a twin, nuclear power plants, Nutrasweet, obesity, oestrogen, olestra, olive oil, orange juice, oxygenated gasoline, oyster sauce, ozone, ozone depletion, passive smoking, PCBs, peanuts, pesticides, pet birds, plastic IV bags, polio vaccine, potato crisps (chips), power lines, proteins, Prozac, PVC, radio masts, radon, railway sleepers, red meat, Roundup, saccharin, salt, sausage, selenium, semiconductor plants, shellfish, sick buildings, soy sauce, stress, strontium, styrene, sulphuric acid, sun beds, sunlight, sunscreen, talc, tetrachloroethylene, testosterone, tight bras, toast, toasters, tobacco, tooth fillings, toothpaste (with fluoride or bleach), train stations, trichloroethylene, under-arm shaving, unvented stoves, uranium, UV radiation, Vatican radio masts, vegetables, vinyl bromide, vinyl chloride, vinyl fluoride, vinyl toys, vitamins, vitreous fibres, wallpaper, weedkiller (2-4 D), welding fumes, well water, weight gain, winter, wood dust, work, x-rays.

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    14. Re:This may lead to an even more interesting... by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      Well that or super powers if you get exposed to radiation

    15. Re:This may lead to an even more interesting... by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Actually this will not do what the BBC headline implies it will, the drug Tideglusib will cause the regeneration of dentine by the natural stem cells present in the pulp cavity, when there is a penetration of the pupal chamber. What this will do is prevent recurring carries (decay) under existing Fillings from turning into crowns and root canals, and prevent recurring carries (decay) under existing crowns from turning into root canals and extractions.

      What it's not doing is growing enamal, Growing enamal is the brass ring.
      Full article, Promotion of natural tooth repair by small molecule GSK3 antagonists.
      Still very good news, if it works on Humans like it does on Rats, that doesn't always happen in the real world.

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    16. Re:This may lead to an even more interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...development, namely food additives that could actually help heal your teeth or at least as an micro-repair that's not damaging to the body, but will fill up microcavities over time.

      ... and fuel wild conspiracies, especially if it's effective.

    17. Re:This may lead to an even more interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it helps? When I moved, my brushing and eating habits did not change but I ended up with more or worse cavities. All that changed was our water. Though this is just my own experience, putting fluoride in water does have a benefit I've witnessed firsthand (as has my wallet).

      You can take off your tinfoil hat or start making your own food, your call.

    18. Re:This may lead to an even more interesting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've always wanted extra teeth in my digestive tract. And/or on my willy-nilly. For those hard-to-digest problems...

  4. Unless it costs more by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unless they can charge more than they do for fillings (or at least make more profit), I don't see this taking off in the US.

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    1. Re:Unless it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup and I'm still waiting for the Stem Cell treatment that could 'Regrow Teeth' that should have been ready in five years -- 10 years ago...

    2. Re:Unless it costs more by gurps_npc · · Score: 2

      They can put it in toothpaste. Let you rub it in every day, like fluoride.

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    3. Re:Unless it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was set back 10 years by GWB.

    4. Re:Unless it costs more by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      It was set back 10 years by GWB.

      Then another 12 by Barrack Hussein, then 14 by Drumpf -- assuming an 8-year term, otherwise the delay will be 28 years for 4!

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    5. Re:Unless it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless they can charge more than they do for fillings (or at least make more profit), I don't see this taking off in the US.

      Why shouldn't they?
      A fake smile is very important in the US compared to other cultures and people are willing to pay a lot to have perfect teeth to go with that.
      Once the celebrities jumps on it to get perfect teeth without fillings then then common plebs will be willing to pay more than they can afford to create the appearance of success.

    6. Re:Unless it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This chemical stimulates tooth growth....

      The imagery of humans with a mouth full of hideous huge teeth is disturbing...

      I really hope someone does this by accident.

    7. Re:Unless it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless they can charge more than they do for fillings (or at least make more profit), I don't see this taking off in the US.

      Same reason we are still waiting for the caries vaccine by the way... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caries_vaccine

    8. Re:Unless it costs more by plover · · Score: 1

      The current processes work pretty well. My dentist can get me in the chair, pop in a tooth-colored filling, and get me out in less than 20 minutes, at which time I'm free to eat whatever I want, and it costs only a few hundred dollars. If I have to have a temporary tooth cap, wait ??? weeks for the regrowth to take place, make another appointment to get the cap taken off, pay the patent-inflated price for the magical tooth-growing sponge, and then pray I don't get tooth or bone cancer, I think I'd rather stick with the old fillings.

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    9. Re:Unless it costs more by avandesande · · Score: 1

      This comment doesn't even make sense. If people want it ( I know I would) they will ask for it and you can charge more.

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    10. Re:Unless it costs more by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Yeah but when fillings fall out or crack getting them re-drilled is a PITA. I am sure they can come up with a cap that will dissolve away.

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    11. Re:Unless it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or some dentist that is willing to make slightly less than obscene amounts of money will step in and take business from other dentists. If there were a dentist doing this in my town (after enough testing obviously), I'd switch in a heartbeat.

    12. Re:Unless it costs more by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      You mean like Novamin? That other wonder healing drug that is in all Sensodine toothpastes except for the ones sold in America?

    13. Re:Unless it costs more by mmell · · Score: 1
      Yes, the bilateral opposition this incredibly promising research has faced (being bilateral) could only have come from one place - Vatican City and the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Man forbid that anything be killed that might someday achieve sentience and become a source of tithes.

      God save us all from religious fundies!

    14. Re:Unless it costs more by GLMDesigns · · Score: 1

      Explain please?

      GWB (if you want to put it solely on him) refused federal funding for fetus research. Adult stem cell research was fine. And if fetal stem cell research was so promising then where are the results from Japan, China, Korea, Russia, Germany, Italy, France, England, Sweden?



      crickets.

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    15. Re:Unless it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The dentist is not "willing to make slightly less". The dentist is hitting a lower-tiered market because the higher priced market is already saturated.

      You see, getting the big money is hard, there are too many other dentists competing for that. This reduces the number of clients and hence reduces profits. Going for small money actually increases his profits because he keeps his chair full of clients all day long...because there are fewer other dentists competing for that money.

      My point is...there need not be any sort of self-sacrifice for the greater good here. An evil, greedy, money-grubbing dentist can find incentives to hit that market segment.

    16. Re:Unless it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The current processes work pretty well. My dentist can get me in the chair, pop in a tooth-colored filling, and get me out in less than 20 minutes, at which time I'm free to eat whatever I want, and it costs only a few hundred dollars. If I have to have a temporary tooth cap, wait ??? weeks for the regrowth to take place, make another appointment to get the cap taken off, pay the patent-inflated price for the magical tooth-growing sponge, and then pray I don't get tooth or bone cancer, I think I'd rather stick with the old fillings.

      Not to mention that if you read the article, the only time it works is cavities that expose the tooth pulp, which is a very small percentage of cavities. So you are not likely to even have a choice.

      Maybe if they can force this into cracks in the teeth, if the cracks are deep enough, they could heal cracks before they become problematic.

    17. Re:Unless it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This would work better as a preventative than a treatment... i'd rather pay more for an expensive drug that means I never have to have my teeth drilled into again, we will look back upon that procedure as medieval.

    18. Re:Unless it costs more by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      It's already called every celebrity in Hollywood!

    19. Re:Unless it costs more by plover · · Score: 1

      To me it looks like the dentist will still have to drill out the cavity to insert the sponge, so I assume he or she would drill to the pulp.

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    20. Re:Unless it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has novamin ever been shown to do anything? My understanding is that studies fail to reliably show effectiveness.

    21. Re:Unless it costs more by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Since they're using stem cells from the pulpal chamber, when this would work you're already past fillings and into the crown area, and if it fails to work on you it means a root canal too.

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    22. Re:Unless it costs more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was a pretty awkward place to jam in your attempt at fashionable cynicism. You are an American teenager for sure.

    23. Re:Unless it costs more by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, the dentists lobby is strong in Europe as well.

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    24. Re:Unless it costs more by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Damn "Big Teeth" they've got their fingers in every pocket.

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  5. Hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are two interesting statements in the article that makes me hope this isn't vaporware.

    Prof Sharpe said a new treatment could be available soon: "I don't think it's massively long term, it's quite low-hanging fruit in regenerative medicine and hopeful in a three-to-five year period this would be commercially available."

    and

    However, the drug has already been trialled in patients as a potential dementia therapy.

    "The safety work has been done and at much higher concentrations so hopefully we're on to a winner," said Prof Sharpe.

    1. Re:Hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Tideglusib (NP-12, NP031112) is a potent, selective and irreversible[1] small molecule non-ATP-competitive GSK3 inhibitor that has been investigated as a potential treatment for Alzheimer's disease and paralysis supranuclear palsy in Phase IIa and IIb clinical trials. The first clinical trial conducted with tideglusib to be published (in English, at least) was phase II and demonstrated that overall tideglusib was well tolerated, except for some moderate, asymptomatic, fully reversible increases in liver enzymes (2.5xULN; where ULN=Upper Limit of Normal).

      Tideglusib has also been investigated as a way to cause teeth to repair themselves by promoting dentine reinforcement of a sponge structure until the sponge biodegrades, leaving just a solid dentine structure. In 2016 it was successfully trialed for permanently filling 0.14mm holes in mouse teeth and there are hopes that the treatment could be used in humans.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tideglusib

    2. Re:Hope by leathered · · Score: 1

      Yada yada, we know it does scientific shit, but how in the actual fuck do you pronouce 'Tideglusib'?

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    3. Re:Hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like this (tide-glue-sib) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYuIr4nsTWw

    4. Re:Hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yada yada, we know it does scientific shit, but how in the actual fuck do you pronouce 'Tideglusib'?

      Ti like the Ti in Tideglusib
      De like the de in Deglusib
      Glu like the glu in Glusib
      Sib like the sib in Sib

    5. Re:Hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tidal-glue-sib

  6. Recommended by 0 out of 5 Dentists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd expect the Dental cartel, uh I mean the American Dental Association, to bury this research before it comes to market and cuts into their enormous profits.

    1. Re:Recommended by 0 out of 5 Dentists by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      No, they'll figure out how to monetize it.

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    2. Re:Recommended by 0 out of 5 Dentists by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      That's easy, and works the same for regrowing teeth. At the moment looking after your teeth is important, you only get one set of adult teeth after all.

      The moment that you can replace and repair teeth, the incentive to look after your teeth drops away drastically. Knackered your teeth no problem just grown a new set.

      Who exactly will be removing old teeth, implanting the seeds of new teeth and doing all the repair stuff. You guessed it dentists, though they will require some retraining in the new techniques, but as an IT professional no sympathy there. They will in fact be busier than ever.

      The group that are going to have find new jobs are all the people involved in dental prosthetic's. Nobody is going to have false teeth for example when you can just grow new ones. Even things like crowns, inlays and onlays will go the way of the dodo, just remove the tooth and grow a new one.

      So the future is bright for dentists, remarkably less so for those involved in the production of dental prosthetic's and associated industries.

    3. Re:Recommended by 0 out of 5 Dentists by slashrio · · Score: 1

      Don't worry, the average hole (caries) is much bigger than 0.14 mm when found.

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    4. Re: Recommended by 0 out of 5 Dentists by backslashdot · · Score: 1

      Umm this would be really profitable for dentists for two teasons:

      1. It doesn't prevent cavities. A steady stream of customers is guaranteed.
      2. It involves installing a micro-sponge. Did you think they would do it for free?

    5. Re:Recommended by 0 out of 5 Dentists by ancientt · · Score: 1
      Heck yes they will! I'll go to my dentist and be offered a traditional filling for $200 or a tooth regrowing treatment for $800.

      I'll choose the regrowing treatment because my mouth already looks like swiss cheese in the x-rays. I expect they'll drill out the damaged enamel and then replace it with the regrowing sponge, then cap it off with something much like they already use. I doubt it will be cheap, but if I'd been using that for the last twenty years, I'd probably still have all my teeth.

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    6. Re:Recommended by 0 out of 5 Dentists by budgenator · · Score: 1

      The group that are going to have find new jobs are all the people involved in dental prosthetic's. Nobody is going to have false teeth for example when you can just grow new ones. Even things like crowns, inlays and onlays will go the way of the dodo, just remove the tooth and grow a new one.

      So the future is bright for dentists, remarkably less so for those involved in the production of dental prosthetic's and associated industries.

      I've been hearing that for 30 years now and I'm still making dentures, now the crown and bridge guys are getting their asses handed to them by CAM. Of course there is not enough money in our end to lure in any fresh meat and schools are closing left and right. Our state has only 15 seats in school, so when I retire, you people better keep your teeth.

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  7. Can't come soon enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having been to the dentist today, I can only say this this can't come soon enough.

    1. Re:Can't come soon enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are wondering why you got down voted,
      it's because you made a relevant comment that
      was not an attempt at teenage humor.
      Please, do not repeat this behavior in the future.

  8. I, for one, welcome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our new performance enhanced rodent overlords.

    HEY - that's my power cord! Get out of

  9. Dentistry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is probably the only field of medicine that hasn't changed substantially in the past 100 years.

    1. Re:Dentistry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Essentially all they've gained is better materials for false teeth and spackling up the holes.

    2. Re:Dentistry by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Is probably the only field of medicine that hasn't changed substantially in the past 100 years.

      You obviously need new glasses if you can't see another candidate.

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    3. Re:Dentistry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lasers have had a huge impact on vision and eye care options. The obvious advancement is lasik which has made eye glasses obsolete for many people including me. There have also been advancements in treatments for eye problems like cataracts and detached/bruised retinas. I'm not expert but I suspect people with cataracts 100 years ago were SOL.

  10. You need help. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know you are trying to be cynical, which is popular on slashdot....

    But high price is not the only variable that determines profit. If the price of this treatment is significant lower, dentists can get a higher profit margin while still charging a lower price than regular fillings.

    And even if it is more expensive, people will spring for the higher price to avoid the suffering of a filling.

    This should be obvious. Seriously. You are so steeped in negativity that your ability to think clearly has been impaired.

    1. Re: You need help. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ability to generate continuously increasing profits is a major concern of any corporation.

  11. NovaMin by kuhnto · · Score: 2, Informative

    Or this could go the path of NovaMin and never be approved by the FDA in the United states. It would not b in the interest of BIG DENTAL.

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    1. Re:NovaMin by turp182 · · Score: 1

      I used a NovaMin toothpaste exclusively for a couple of years in the US before the patents were bought out (not sure by whom) and all products containing it were discontinued.

      It was obviously an aggressive purchase with the sole purpose of pulling NovaMin products from the market. The stuff worked (based on bone regeneration research for the military I believe).

      I'm trying Livionex now, in fact it arrived on my doorstep last evening. Doesn't rebuild anything, but it sure results in clean, smooth teeth. It is rather pricey.

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    2. Re:NovaMin by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Informative

      I used a NovaMin toothpaste exclusively for a couple of years in the US before the patents were bought out (not sure by whom) and all products containing it were discontinued.

      Novamin patents and the products containing were bought out by GlaxoSmithKline. They continue to make all the products but only in the USA and Germany do they no longer contain Novamin. Even the packaging and product names are the same except for the ingredient list.

    3. Re:NovaMin by turp182 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the clarification on who purchased the IP. And so the equation is:

      GSK = Bag of Assholes (a term I came up with a month or so ago, Monsanto is also one).

      I'd probably sell out for $130 million myself though... To be honest.

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    4. Re:NovaMin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the rest of the world gets Novamin in their GSK sensodyne toothpaste. So look at the FDA not GSK.

    5. Re:NovaMin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stand-ins for Novamin:

      RecalDent

      'Active Calcium' (found in one of Arm And Hammer's toothpastes)

      Vitamin K2 (Menaquinone MK-7) also has a recalcifying effect if you also get plenty of Vitamins A and D (and calcium). Foods with plenty of K2: Sauerkraut, Japanese nato beans, chicken livers, grass-fed dairy. Regular vitamin K(1) will NOT have this effect.

    6. Re:NovaMin by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      GSK = Bag of Assholes

      Err why? They didn't just buy the patents, they bought the entire company and all their marketed products and they are continuing marketing and selling the products.

      If you want to know why Sensodine doesn't contain Novamin in the USA but does in the UK, ask the FDA, because I'm sure the first thing the company thought was : "let's not sell this awesome thing that makes us money".

    7. Re:NovaMin by turp182 · · Score: 1

      Why/how were there a dozen products on the US market prior to GSK purchasing the company?

      If it was due to FDA that's one thing, I assumed it was for aggressive purposes.

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    8. Re:NovaMin by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Aggressive purposes would result in more of a push from the company. Critically there are more Novamin containing products elsewhere too. Just not in the USA. There is still a good grey market import business in the USA which is why you can buy Sensodine for $30 tube off ebay while I can get it for $3 at the local supermarket.

      There's probably a bit of what you describe going on, but that's not related to what you're seeing happening in the USA.

  12. Re: how in the actual fuck do you pronouce by slashrio · · Score: 1

    Try 'fuck' :)

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  13. OT - fnord by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    TIL Osteo-odonto-keratoprosthesis is a thing.
    I bet some people would give their eye-teeth for a tooth eye.

    Geeze Louise, The Bard was right when he wrote "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy. "

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    1. Re:OT - fnord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus tired-eyes-toothache Christ, that is both amazing and somehow deeply, deeply wrong. I mean how did those discussions start?

      "You know what we should do... we pull out one of the teeth-"
      (interrupting) "--we WHAT? we're eye surgeons"
      "Yeah, go with me on this... we pull out one of the teeth, we make a little, I dunno, tube out of one-"
      (interrupting again) "Do you know any dentistry?"
      "No, but how hard can it be? We're eye surgeons, that's much more difficult"
      "True"

    2. Re:OT - fnord by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Whatever you do, do *NOT* google Osteo-odonto-keratoprosthesis. The resulting photos will ensure you never get a good night's sleep again.

    3. Re:OT - fnord by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      That...cannot be unseen...

  14. Next you'll tell me they should fluoridate my H2O by mmell · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do you know what fluoridation is? It's an insidious communist plot to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids. Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face.

  15. Volume and costs by phorm · · Score: 1

    If they can do more of this, quicker: then it can take off.
    If they can do it with less overhead but charge relatively the same (or a bit less): then it can take off

  16. You still don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ability to provide a lower priced offering increases profits.

    This is really, really basic stuff. Anyone who can put a sentence together as well as you can should be able to understand this.

    Seriously, you are going out of your way to be stupid in order to be cynical.

  17. Is there a lobby for the ADA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can see them fighting against this tooth and nail.

  18. Nice name by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    "Tideglusib"

    I'm pretty sure I got an offer to buy WoW Gold ingame from someone with that name last night.

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  19. Kidney Stones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kidney Stones?

  20. gives a whole new spin to the Tooth Fairy by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Easy peasy, make up the difference removing teeth from the poor unfortunates that experience hyperdontia as a result of this treatment.
    nb - do not GIS that if you want to sleep tonight

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  21. Re:Next you'll tell me they should fluoridate my H by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Water naturally has flouride in it in many places. Those places have fewer tooth cavities, which led to the idea of adding flouride in places where it is unnaturally low.

    This in turn led to a deluge of ill-informed anti-science...

    Oh, hang on, I think there is a whoosh going over my head.

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  22. Re:Next you'll tell me they should fluoridate my H by lgw · · Score: 3, Funny

    And now the whoosh is a guy riding a nuke down to it's target.

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  23. That makes no sense by Solandri · · Score: 1

    If it costs more and a dentist tries to use only the new fillings so he can make more profit, patients will simply go to a different cheaper dentist who uses the old fillings.

    If it costs less and a dentist tries to use only the old fillings so he can preserve his profit, people will simply go to a different cheaper dentist who uses the new fillings.

    Either way, the dentist who tries to take the route with larger profit margin will lose customers and probably go broke. And people will be able to get fillings for cheaper. That's how competition works in the free market. The only way a dentist would be able to thwart this is if he (or his dental group) did like 80%+ of the fillings in the country.

    1. Re:That makes no sense by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      If it costs more and a dentist tries to use only the new fillings so he can make more profit, patients will simply go to a different cheaper dentist who uses the old fillings.

      If it costs less and a dentist tries to use only the old fillings so he can preserve his profit, people will simply go to a different cheaper dentist who uses the new fillings.

      Either way, the dentist who tries to take the route with larger profit margin will lose customers and probably go broke.

      Yeah, if only things worked like that when it comes to medicine and dentistry. Usually to get a quote on a procedure from a dentist, you'll need to pay for an exam, which is probably at least $50-100, and if they insist on new X-rays (as many offices do), that's quite a bit more.

      So, you can try out another dentist for a "second opinion," but you'll likely ending up losing any gain in savings (and probably more) by doing the switch.

      My experience talking to friends and family makes it pretty clear how many dentists these days seem out to make profit with unnecessary costs and procedures.

      That's not to say there aren't "good" dentists out there. I have one. She's awesome. I don't have any problems and have good indications for bone and jaw, so she decreased recommended frequency for X-rays, whereas most dentists these days seem to insist on doing new ones at least once per year, no matter what. The only thing her office occasionally does is have the hygienists mention the possibility of whitening treatments or whatever, which I'm sure is an attempt to "upsell" patients -- but they're not pushy about it, so I don't care.

      Meanwhile, just about everyone else in my family has gone from dentist to dentist over the past decade, often treated with a recommendation for multiple thousands of dollars of dental work after a first visit. Heck, I have a relative who is nearly 100 years old who recently had 3 teeth pulled by a dentist for no apparent reason -- well there were stated reasons of course, but not sufficient to deprive a 100-year-old woman from her teeth that she wasn't having problems with -- and charged her a ridiculous amount. (She was having trouble with one tooth; the dentist took 3. Now she only has a handful of teeth left in her mouth and has trouble chewing food.) Of course, now the dentist is trying to sell her dentures or even implants and the cost of many thousands... for a woman who is nearly 100 years old! Why not just leave her remaining teeth in unless she's having noticeable problems?? How many more years can they be expected to last? I've had other family members who asked if there was a cheaper option or who only wanted to fix one or two teeth, but the dentist refused unless ALL the recommendations were fixed (again, costing several thousand dollars).

      Talk to old people sometime about their experiences with dentists. Unless they're lucky to have an honest one, you may be surprised at what you hear. (To be fair, I think many of today's dentists also are trained not to distinguish between absolutely essential care and other stuff that's not always needed or could provide a more temporary fix. Yet another family member had a dentist for 30 years -- this family member always had tooth problems even from when he was a kid. But this dentist kept this family member well for decades, fixing little problems as they came up. The dentist retired and the new dentist came in... suddenly this family member needed thousands of dollars worth of dental work, and the dentist claimed over half of his teeth should be extracted or were "pre-extraction". We're talking about a retiree approaching 80 years old. Why not let him keep his teeth? The newer plan seems to be if a tooth isn't perfect, extract and recommend an implant or something. Most people can't really afford that sort of thing, particularly older people.)

      I'm sure you think I'm making some of this stuff up. But we KNOW dentists do things like unnecessary extractions. Heck, there are studies claiming that over 2/3 of wisdom tooth extractions are unnecessary. But they're a serious cash cow for dentists and oral surgeons.

    2. Re:That makes no sense by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      You talk like people live in an ideal world so we should also assume perfectly spherical dentists as well.

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  24. Re:I have self-healing teeth by butchersong · · Score: 1

    I don't think you deserved to be down modded. I've also taken a similar approach in the past. Eat sardines, get lots of sun, eat no starches or drink anything sweet and not brushing and even very severe tooth aches tend to go away in a week or so.
    Anecdotal of course but I do think there must be something to be said for saturating the teeth with lots of minerals and having tons of vitamin d available.

  25. "Teething pains" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody with recent, close experience with a teething toddler would say that people's incentive to take care of their teeth will go away when dentists perfect the ability to grow new teeth in an adult mouth (they've already seen success in mice).

    While I would certainly opt to teeth a new tooth as an option to root canal therapy + crown, if an onlay is good enough then you can bet I ain't going through teething for that!

    1. Re: "Teething pains" by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Speaking as someone with an onlay, I would go with a new tooth in a flash. Inlays/onlays dont last forwever each time they come off you loose a bit more real tooth, and eventually you will loose the tooth. New tooth every single time.

  26. Re:Next you'll tell me they should fluoridate my H by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    Why is the parent moderated flamebait?

    Do you mods realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, children's ice cream.

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  27. Re:Next you'll tell me they should fluoridate my H by MrHops · · Score: 1

    Wahoo! *waves cowboy hat*

  28. Agree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I distill my drinking water, in part so I don't have to deal with the crap that someone else decides to put in it.

    Of course, that doesn't cover everything. I still buy food from a grocery store rather than grow it all myself. And restaurants, too.

    But distillation is something cheap and easy that at least purifies some of what I take in.

    1. Re:Agree. by kellymcdonald78 · · Score: 1

      Except that drinking overly pure water can cause its own set of health issues. The dissolved minerals (and their associated ions) in most drinking water important elements of a healthy diet. Thanks to osmosis, super pure water will strip the minerals out of your bones and cell membranes. You WANT some magnesium, calcium and potassium in the water you drink

  29. Misleading headline by MSTCrow5429 · · Score: 1

    Not all cavities are 0.13mm or smaller. I'm not a dentist, but aren't most cavities larger than that?

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    1. Re:Misleading headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not initially. I think the idea is regular treatments to heal them before they expand and take half a tooth out.

    2. Re:Misleading headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These preliminary tests were performed on mice, so, it does work on little mouse teeth, looks promising for humans.

    3. Re:Misleading headline by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Nah, that's just the diameter of a #1/4 round tungsten carbide friction grip dental bur, the smallest they come in, they were working on rat's molars; on human teeth they'd probably use a #4, the #8's are 1.2mm diameter.

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  30. Dentists fleeing Britain by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    Have you seen British teeth in recent decades? Theirs are nicer than those of us who live in the US, now.

    Maybe nicer, but only if can pay out of pocket, or you can find an NHS dentist...

    Brexit may exasperate this probably as many dentist in the UK come from EU countries...

    On the flip side, Brexit will bring a need for more dentists.

    I think dentistry is a fine profession, something that is unlikely to be replaced by AI any time soon. Having a high-paying vocation that students can strive for seems like it would be a win for any Brits who have children.

    Your view of Brexit, that all the dentists would flee the UK leaving no one to care for peoples' teeth, seems a bit unrealistic.

  31. How about subtracting instead of adding? by The+Creator · · Score: 1

    Sugars because they are bad for our teeth, and starches because they are converted to sugars by amylase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amylase.

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  32. Dr. Mao Columbia Univ stem cells grows teeth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many reported that Dr Mao was successful in growing teeth back in 2010.

    http://www.rexresearch.com/mao...
    http://www.popsci.com/science/...
    https://www.davidwolfe.com/ste...
    http://www.dentistryiq.com/art...

    Interesting, the original press release ( http://cumc.columbia.edu/news/... ) has been scrubbed from the university site.

  33. no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thats a choice of a smart few to push your industries to copyrights and patents rather then goods and what not made.

    you dont need ot add to say "HEY BOB ITS KELLY LETS GO KILL THE NEIGHBORS" - in death neighborss01e01

  34. Unethical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is unethical to test on other animals. They could have tested it on a dead toot, then on human volunteers, if any.

  35. Re:how long before Trump says that? by avgapon · · Score: 0

    How long before Trump says that? He has already spoken his mind on vaccination.

  36. Tideglusib by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tideglusib, miracle chemical. What can't it do! Puts the kids in order, brightens up the old folk and cures bad breathe!

    Tideglusib [4-Benzyl-2-(naphthalen-1-yl)-1,2,4-thiadiazolidine-3,5-dione] is a potent, selective and irreversible small molecule non-ATP-competitive GSK-3 inhibitor that has been investigated as a potential treatment for Alzheimer's disease and paralysis supranuclear palsy.
    Tideglusib has also been investigated as a way to cause teeth to repair themselves by promoting dentine reinforcement of a sponge structure until the sponge biodegrades, leaving just a solid dentine structure.
    Also, Tideglusib is being tested in the possible treatment of adolescents with autism spectrum disorders.
    [All cribbed from wikipedia]

  37. Re:Next you'll tell me they should fluoridate my H by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    I've also heard that salt might be iodized, and that milk might be pasteurized . Goiter and food poisoning were good enough for my grandparents, so many thanks for you Portlandians for bringing these back. Kids today are soft, I tell you, soft!

  38. Re:Next you'll tell me they should fluoridate my H by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Do you know what fluoridation is? It's an insidious communist plot to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids. Fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face.

    That is why I only drink distilled water and pure grain alcohol!

  39. Re:I have self-healing teeth by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    A severe toothache usually means the pulp is infected and dying. The nerves in there are dying also, and when the nerve is dead - a miracle! - no more pain. If you're reasonably healthy generally, the infected area might not expand further, until you are fairly old and your immune system weakens. Then the rot may progress into your jaw.

    Severe toothache usually means permanent damage is being done. Don't ignore it; don't pretend that when it goes away everything is good again.

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  40. Re:Next you'll tell me they should fluoridate my H by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    We must maintain our purity of essence and preserve our precious bodily fluids!

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  41. Re:Next you'll tell me they should fluoridate my H by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    whoosh (was below your head)

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  42. Real nihilists only drink beer by thesjaakspoiler · · Score: 1

    just like in the 16th century when Europe ruled the world.

  43. Re:Next you'll tell me they should fluoridate my H by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    As the poster guy said, the whoosh guy is riding to earth on the back of a nuke, waving his cowboy hat.

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  44. Insightful? Bullshit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Government regulation on toxic water pollution resulted in industries having to PAY to dispose of toxic fluoride pollution which resulted in the push to put it into drinking water. Instead of paying to dispose of something that used to be free pollution (which harmed people and nature, hence the regulation) it was turned into a revenue stream.

    Yes, fluoride helps teeth but you spit it out and do not absorb it throughout your body just to help your teeth. (Drinking water is used to wash/soak your body.)

    Studies show fluoride in the water does not help teeth; differences between populations show other greater factors - here is the 1st link i found on the topic:
    http://www.newsweek.com/fluori...