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HTC's New Flagship Phone Has AI and a Second Screen, But No Headphone Jack (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report on The Verge: HTC is getting 2017 off to a flying start with an unseasonably early announcement of its next flagship phone: the U Ultra. This 5.7-inch device inaugurates a new U series of smartphones and is joined by a smaller and lesser U Play, which scales things down to 5.2 inches and a humbler camera and processor spec. HTC is touting a new Sense Companion, which is its take on the growing trend for putting AI assistants into phones, plus the addition of a second screen at the top of the U Ultra. As with Apple's latest iPhones, Lenovo's Moto Z, and the HTC Bolt, neither of HTC's new handsets has a headphone jack. The other big change on the outside is the U Ultra's second screen, which is a thin 2-inch strip residing to the right of the front-facing camera and immediately above the Super LCD 5 screen.

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  1. No headphone jack ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... is a ploy to boost the hardware side with expensive Bluetooth alternatives.

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    1. Re:No headphone jack ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

      The headphones are on a rack right there with the phones.

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    2. Re:No headphone jack ... by jlechem · · Score: 2, Informative

      Must be a shitty ploy, my brand new HTC bolt came with wired headphones. They are usb-c headphones but they are wired and they sound really really good. A cheap ass dongle will let me use my 3.5mm headphones if I so desire. I was butt hurt at first but I've gotten used tho them. Now if it was bluetooth only I would have taken this thing back in a heartbeat.

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    3. Re:No headphone jack ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fuck dongles. Seriously, fuck needing a dongle to get a 0.01mm thinner phone with worse battery life.

      They are particularly bad for headphones, because you tend to use headphones while moving around where as charging is done stationary. That means strain on the connector, and the headphone socket is fairly robust but the USB port is much more prone to damage.

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    4. Re:No headphone jack ... by decep · · Score: 2

      Using the USB C spec does not necessarily push the idea of more expensive alternatives. Using USB C is less "evil" than Apple pushing the lightning connector because USB C includes [the possibility of] an analog audio signal without the need for an external DAC. This means that all that is required to use analog headphones is a USB C to 3.5mm adapter. This would not even fully be considered a "dongle" because it does not require any fancy electronics for functionality. In Host Audio Adapter mode, pins SBU1 and SBU2 directly carry an analog signal.

    5. Re:No headphone jack ... by greatpatton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Great and now how are you going to charge and use your phone?

    6. Re:No headphone jack ... by nmb3000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Must be a shitty ploy, my brand new HTC bolt came with wired headphones.

      Pushing more expensive headphones might be a bonus short-term side effect, but the real victory here is the potential of closing the analog hole for mobile devices. I fully expect someone to introduce "end to end" DRM within a year or two which will require an authenticated and encrypted connection from the source (file or stream) through the mobile processor, to the headphones. Non-compliant headphones won't be able to authenticate with the host device and therefore won't be usable with certain DRM'd media.

      Don't be surprised when Apple shows more "courage" and removes the analog audio connectors from their next lineup of desktops and laptops (if they haven't already). The desktop / laptop market will swiftly follow once people accept it on mobile.

      Take a look at HDCP for an example of how this has already been done elsewhere.

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  2. SD and battery by Script+Cat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does it have an SD slot and a removable battery. If not, still a non buy.

    1. Re: SD and battery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So when your internal li-ion battery degrades and considerably loses its ability to hold charge, you can carry it around *and* and extra battery pack! Or buy a new phone because the repair cost is so high it makes more economic sense. Yay! $$$$

      Or if whatever reason you want control over your device and just want to completely pull the power quickly, you can try draining the charge over the next hour.

  3. Re:Unfortunate. by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because the engineering mantra of designing something that's the minimum needed to do the job properly has been supplanted with a long-term strategic goal to attempt to sell more things to consumers by selling them devices that don't do everything they need out of the box.

    The biggest flaw in the concept of this approach is assuming that the consumer will go to the original supplier for future accessories. You'd think they'd learn that consumers will go to whoever is cheapest, or whoever offers the actual best solution, depending on the penchant of the consumer, and that the original supplier is not necessarily the default option. Unfortunately nearly every company that makes products with modules or consumables makes this mistake.

    So instead of providing the simple, robust solution they run themselves in circles attempting to influence the market to benefit them only for all that effort to amount to nothing. Apple has historically been the only company that has managed to do this, but even then, there are plenty of users that will go third-party for accessories.

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  4. Nice Job HTC by Nite_Hawk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You'd think with their lacklustre performance over the last 5 years they'd play it safe rather than trying to pretend they are Apple.

    Get this message through your thick skulls HTC: You are not Apple. Your customers are not Apple customers. The Android world is a very different place and you aren't in any position to cram user-unfriendly features down people's throats. You will fail if only because there is always some other Chinese company ready to give people what they want.

    1. Re:Nice Job HTC by fafalone · · Score: 2

      Hey come on now, they're not JUST pretending to be Apple, they're outright copying LG's really neat 2nd screen from the V10/V20 too, right down to the size and location. Can't recommend the v20 enough... not just the 2nd screen, but 3.5mm headphone jack, micro sd, removable battery, and excellent repairability rating... and rootable, though not easily yet. So sad that's a rare combo now.

    2. Re:Nice Job HTC by chispito · · Score: 2

      Are you ever going to shut up about this? Will you still be whining in 5 years when nobody makes phones with headphone jacks?

      It's a fad. Five years is probably long enough for it to become standard again, when people realize that a cord is less of a pain to deal with than an additional device to charge or an additional adapter to carry.

      I bet five years ago you were posting as AC, wondering when people will shut up already, 3D is here to stay.

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  5. 2 screens really? by Higaran · · Score: 2

    Ok, I get is technically 2 screens, but I just think that is the stupidest marketing idea ever. When you say 2 screens, I want 2 screens that are relatively the same size as each other, not one, and some sliver that can only display 4-5 icons stuck up above it. I'd be okay if they called it something else like notification bar or something, but don't call it a second screen.

  6. Re:"Bull" by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 2
    Have no fear - deep in my basement, I am actively working on "Artificial Stupidity".

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  7. Re:Unfortunate. by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because it takes a lot of space.
    With those notes 7 exploding because the battery was too tightly packed in. That extra empty space can be used to allow for that extra room.

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  8. Re:HTC Did It First by sbrown7792 · · Score: 2

    2.5" headphone jack

    So that's why those old phones were so bulky!

  9. Multiple reasons by sjbe · · Score: 2

    The only reasons to eliminate user-replaceable batteries are to save cost, and maybe to profit from expensive battery-replacement services.

    Those are legitimate reasons but they aren't the only ones. By making the batteries not user replaceable companies like Apple avoid a variety of problems. The most important consideration is that don't have to worry about poor quality batteries from third party vendors. This can cause all sorts of headaches including warranty claims, product image problems, counterfeit batteries, lawsuits, etc. Being able to maintain full control over the product should in principle result in a better or at least more consistent product. Another consideration is that by sealing the device up tight they don't have fitment issues where pieces come lose or break unexpectedly. The more parts that can move the more chances something will break.

  10. Re:I'll be buying my first non-HTC smartphone by rickb928 · · Score: 2

    No, I want a smartphone that lets me SSH into my servers, gives me GPS and maps to drive with, enough storage I don't have to move my pictures every week to the cloud, flexible apps to do things with, supports my work email and workflow apps, and has a removable battery so I'm not on the 2 year/1000 charge cycle treadmill for a new phone due to battery life, when the CPU and screen are still more than enough for me to be satisfied with.

    It would be nice to have a dialer that doesn't take 18 seconds to initiate a call, audio quality that at least meets old landline standards, and yeah, a music player that lets me use an equalizer.

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  11. Re:Unfortunate. by blindseer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Because the engineering mantra of designing something that's the minimum needed to do the job properly has been supplanted with a long-term strategic goal to attempt to sell more things to consumers by selling them devices that don't do everything they need out of the box.

    Is this feature reduction or future proofing? I have a laptop with a SD slot and HDMI port that I've never used, except to only prove to myself that they worked, and not likely to use in the future. It also has USB-3 and DisplayPort outputs which with inexpensive adapters I can use to attach an SD card reader or HDMI cable. If given the option now I'd much rather buy a replacement that lacks a SD reader and HDMI port so that I can have a laptop that is just that much smaller, lighter, and cheaper.

    I've had an iPod Touch for years that has seen daily use, and is now going into semi-retirement with my acquisition of an iPhone. That iPod had it's headphone jack damaged about a year ago but after an initial transition period I didn't miss it. I could still dock it with my truck stereo for music. When at home I could stream my music to an AirPort Expess, put in in a dock by my stereo, or just listen to it through the internal speaker. This is how I intend to use my iPhone now. What allowed me to keep that iPod working for me for so long was the ability to get audio and video from the dock port. I didn't need all kinds of ports and plugs on the iPod itself, I just bought the cables as I needed them. These cables and adapters included a composite A/V cable, component A/V cable, USB "card reader" adapter, and the car stereo adapter I mentioned earlier. An iPod with all of those ports on the device itself would have been huge.

    This is a bit different with a laptop due to the inherent proportions of the format. I do remember many many people essentially laughing at Apple for not putting an optical drive in their laptop. Now we have people laughing at them for not having a SD slot. In the past I hated having to need adapters because they were exceedingly large and expensive, or so I perceived them to be, and it seemed I could never find the one I needed when I needed it. What has changed is the technology, adapters are smaller and cheaper now, and with the growth in the internet I have access to many competing suppliers trying to get me what I want when I want it.

    Another change, perhaps just as important, is my perception. I have come to realize that no matter what two devices I have before me that I wish to connect I will need an adapter. We might not perceive this as an adapter but as a cable but every cable is effectively an adapter. Instead of thinking of this as having to buy another damned adapter I think of it as having to get a cable I would have had to get anyway but now I don't have to have a dozen ports on a computer where I'll only use half of them.

    A joke among my friends was that USB stood for "useless serial bus" since when it was introduced there was nothing to plug into it. Now it's replaced nearly everything and I'm liking it. I don't need a laptop with a serial port, Ethernet port, flash card reader, modem port, Firewire port, parallel port, and DVI port like my old one did. When I pack my laptop I also pack the cables I need with the USB adapters attached. I treat the USB adapter and cable as a single unit, if it isn't a single physical unit already. While USB isn't quite "universal" it's close enough that I only need a couple other kinds of ports to plug into everything I need to get my work done.

    Another thing that has changed with time is the weight bearing ability of my knees. Having all those ports on the laptop means weight that I must carry even if I just want to have a laptop with me to do a bit of work at a deli while eating. I'll still pack my bag with my laptop but all those adapters can be left behind.

    So, yes, they do intend for people to come back for the cable they need. Any more I find complaints that a device doesn't have the p

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  12. Re:Unfortunate. by swillden · · Score: 2

    Because the engineering mantra of designing something that's the minimum needed to do the job properly has been supplanted

    Alternatively, given the available more flexible and general-purpose alternatives, the headphone jack is no longer required to do the job properly, so the mantra dictates that it should be removed.

    I've spoken with mobile phone hardware engineers about the issue, and what they say is that there are very compelling reasons to remove the headphone jack. It takes a huge amount of space, particularly due to depth, and does so right in a crucial area where designers would prefer to put antennas. Being able to get rid of it in favor of USB audio allows them to make better phones.

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  13. Re:wow now everyone is... by Excelcia · · Score: 2

    Apple isn't courageous. Apple is stupid. Problem is, Apple customers (hipsters) are just slightly stupider, and Apple knows this. They know their customer base will continue to buy what Apple feeds them long after it has become manure. HTC will soon learn there are actual choices among Android devices and leaving vital bits off their phone is not a way to endear itself to the masses.