Amazon To Add 100,000 Full-Time US Jobs in Next 18 Months (geekwire.com)

An anonymous reader shares a GeekWire report: Amazon just made a big statement about its continued growth aspirations, announcing that it plans to add another 100,000 full-time jobs in the U.S. over the next 18 months, an increase of more than 55 percent in its domestic workforce. The growth would push Amazon's U.S. workforce to more than 280,000 people by mid 2018. Amazon said in an announcement that the jobs will be available to people "all across the country and with all types of experience, education and skill levels -- from engineers and software developers to those seeking entry-level positions and on-the-job training."

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Fulfillment workers

[Anonymous Coward]

Sort of like Amazonian hookers

Re:Fulfillment workers

[tattood]

Amazon will be increasing their unhappy workforce by 100,000 poor souls.

Re:Fulfillment workers

[wyHunter]

So what? If folks don't want the jobs they don't have have to take them. If they need the jobs they'll be there. Income is better than no income...

Re:Fulfillment workers

[fluffernutter]

I think most people would rather see 10,000 quality jobs added rather than 100,000 verging on slave labor jobs.

Re:Fulfillment workers

[ShanghaiBill]

I think most people would rather see 10,000 quality jobs added rather than 100,000 verging on slave labor jobs.

Unemployment is much higher among the unskilled, so those "quality" jobs would go unfilled since the unemployed are not qualified for them. Most households below the poverty line are not there because of low pay, but because of NO pay. 60% of poor households have no one in full time employment. Entry level jobs help these people, and get them onto the employment ladder where, with effort, they can move up.

Also, many of the 100k are "quality" jobs for engineers, programmers, etc., and all of them come with benefits (health care, vacation, parental leave, etc).

Re:Fulfillment workers

[gander666]

Shit. You beat me to it. I have never met a former Amazon employee who speaks well of the company, the culture, or the environment. How long until they churn them?

Re:Fulfillment workers

[Anonymous Coward]

Who praises their ex? If they were happy, they'd still be Amazon employees, so that's a bit of a biased sample to base things on.

Re:Fulfillment workers

[Anonymous Coward]

The people who would occupy those "quality" jobs already have jobs. It's lower-skilled people who need the jobs.

Re:Fulfillment workers

[ArmoredDragon]

I heard that working for Amazon is death, but I didn't think it would be death by snu-snu.

Hmm....Where do I sign up?

Re:Fulfillment workers

[fluffernutter]

So it's right to treat lower-skilled people like slaves?

Re:Fulfillment workers

[wyHunter]

Who said that? Many people said 'most of these are shit jobs.' Well, people without skills that are in high demand do get paid less than those who have skills in high demand, but 'routine' not hugely high paying jobs are not necessarily shit jobs. Oh they could be... What is a 'good job' and what is a 'shit job'?

Re:Fulfillment workers

[fluffernutter]

Certainly, a company can pay people minimum wage and still be a great place to work. It's all in how they treat the employees. Do they have flexibility in how they schedule their shifts, does the company throw parties to generally show they appreciate them once in a while, that sort of thing. If the company shows appreciation for the people then you work in a happier environment. From what I hear about Amazon, they basically assume their employees are criminals who will scam the company, and at the same time tries every trick in the book to get the most hours out of them for the least pay. That is a shit job; not necessarily anything to do with pay but overall treatment.

Re: Fulfillment workers

[cthulhu11]

Those quality jobs however will likely still not be available to citizens or anyone over 40.

Re:Fulfillment workers

[wyHunter]

Oh, I'm not saying you're wrong. All I'm saying is 'income is better than no income.' Personally unless I had no other choice, I'd rather not work at amazon in ANY of their jobs.

Can I say it?

[moondo]

Making America Great Again.
(I'm just kidding)

Re:Can I say it?

[Anonymous Coward]

This is uuuge.

Re:Can I say it?

[Anonymous Coward]

The only thing consumerism makes great is the size of the 1%'s bank accounts.

Re:Can I say it?

[Anonymous Coward]

You don't have to consume anything that contributes to the '1%' as if you even know what that means ($190k per year for a joint household is 1%).
Not even going to bother about statistics for how we're at the lowest level of poverty in history, because I'm sure you'll throw your communist manifesto at the scream while autistic screeches pour from your face hole.

Re:Can I say it?

[dougg76]

Does someone pay people to say these things? It is much higher at least twice that in many states. https://www.washingtonpost.com... http://www.forbes.com/sites/mo...

Unlikely.

[Anonymous Coward]

Amazon is a brutal place to work, basically slave labor until they can automating away the need for meat bags.

Re:Unlikely.

[Anonymous Coward]

Amazon is the best workplace I've ever had and I'm glad to be going back after my grad school hiatus.

Re:Unlikely.

[93 Escort Wagon]

Thanks for participating on Slashdot, Mr. Bezos!

Re: Unlikely.

[Anonymous Coward]

No no no, fuck Bezos, fucking fag

Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[Charcharodon]

Cool, but Amazon is simply cannibalizing the retail sector. That 100,000 jobs probably represents 1/3 (or more) of the total retail sector jobs that will be lost as Amazon pushes out less efficient players in the market. I'm all for it, I love Amazon, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking this is something that is going to be happy for the "fight for $15" crowd in the country. (They will be unemployed).

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[Anonymous Coward]

Labor automation is a harsh mistress.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[Anonymous Coward]

(They will be unemployed).

Clearly the only solution is to criminalize their unemployment. If you are not laboring in service of our great master and lord of all he surveys at least 12 hours a day, you are clearly fit only for the underground sugar mines. Which I, as a respected television personality, will be helpful in convincing the people that it is the right and proper thing to do.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[imgod2u]

They've added approximately 150k jobs over the past 4 years. So this is quite an acceleration.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[__aaclcg7560]

Clearly the only solution is to criminalize their unemployment.

Trump announced at his news conference that 96M+ Americans need a job but can't find one. Need to get all those deadbeats out of the schools and the nursing homes. Anyone who complains about being too young or too old to work should go straight to prison.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[geekmux]

They've added approximately 150k jobs over the past 4 years. So this is quite an acceleration.

Speaking of acceleration, I wonder how many brick and mortar businesses (and jobs) they've left in their wake...

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[Anonymous Coward]

I wonder how many brick and mortar businesses (and jobs) they've left in their wake.

The shills for the brick industry have shown up.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[Anonymous Coward]

I know right? I have to buy all my buggy whips online now.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[JackieBrown]

Progress? Adapt or die to new technology (as we here keep telling the RIAA and MPAA)

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[whoever57]

This is just the same as Romney and his claims of creating jobs through Staples. Yes, Staples created many jobs, but at the cost of many other jobs (probably more) at small stationery shops.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[Anonymous Coward]

It's over. Mr. Trump is someone else's POTUS. But not mine.

Assuming you live in the US, he's actually kind of your POTUS too. Just sayin'.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[ShanghaiBill]

Speaking of acceleration, I wonder how many brick and mortar businesses (and jobs) they've left in their wake...

Steel plows put a lot of farmers out of business. Automatic looms put a lot of weavers out of business. Backhoes put a lot of ditch diggers out of business. Progress happens.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[Anonymous Coward]

It's over. Mr. Trump is someone else's POTUS. But not mine.

Assuming you live in the US, he's actually kind of your POTUS too. Just sayin'.

Not until the 20th of January.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[ShanghaiBill]

Yes, Staples created many jobs, but at the cost of many other jobs (probably more) at small stationery shops.

No. This is the "broken window fallacy". Unproductive work is not "good for the economy" and does not create jobs. Staples drove those other shops out of business because of greater efficiency and lower prices. But if the customers are now spending less on office supplies, then they are spending more on OTHER THINGS, and more people are employed producing those other goods and services. Those other jobs are diffused through the economy, so they are not visible, but they are still real jobs, and Staples customers are better off because they have those additional things.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[__aaclcg7560]

Assuming you live in the US, he's actually kind of your POTUS too. Just sayin'.

As a moderate conservative, I voted for Hillary. Trump was neither a conservative nor a Republican, and, just a few short years ago, a Clinton Democrat. If you're going to have a Clinton Democrat in the White House, it should have been Hillary.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[rtb61]

In this case it is not the retail sector but the logistics sector. Basically product storage, handling, picking and delivery. They'll be cannibalising jobs from all other industries and due to the poor labour practices, they will be turning good jobs into bad jobs.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[Anonymous Coward]

I was given credit at Kohl's that I had to use by a certain date. Browsing their site and the products that showed up reminded me of those scam seminars that tell you to open a website and put a store up. Shipping fees were $9 and I lost free shipping because I used store credit instead of giving their greedy hands more cash. The day after my order went through, I was told that they ran out of stock of one of the two items I ordered and that I had been given more store credit and would not be receiving the item. I went to customer service to order the canceled item in a different color instead and the person who barely knew English agreed to give me free shipping on the replacement order as a one-time courtesy for being a loyal customer (it was the first time I had shopped there). You're right that companies like that declining will eliminate a lot of jobs, but I want that company to die, and I have never appreciated Amazon more.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[Hognoxious]

Steel plows put a lot of farmers out of business.

Rubbish.

Re: Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[Anonymous Coward]

Yep. A weird corollary is that there are more blacksmiths working today than in the middle ages. Same with stone masons.

Re: Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[Anonymous Coward]

This. Otherwise we'd literally be taking horse carriage rides still instead of cars.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[__aaclcg7560]

Hillary is neither a moderate nor a conservative.

Hillary is right of center, just like her husband and Obama. What made the Clintons and Obama successful was co-opting the Republican agenda with welfare reform (Bill), health care and taxes (Obama), and foreign policy (Hillary).

I think what you meant to say is: "As a moderately retarded person, I voted for Hillary"

Uh, no. I'm an asshole. Otherwise, I wouldn't be working in IT. I voted for Hillary because the alternative was a KGB toadie.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[Anonymous Coward]

The jobs are eliminated because efficiency is increasing. We are meeting the needs of more people with less human effort. Objectively, that is a win.

The fact that people who are ready, willing, and able to work, cannot find work, is a separate problem. The fact that, without work, people cannot live a decent life, is also a separate problem. Both problems are extremely important, but any solution that involves creating extra work for which there is no economic need, is an overall step backwards.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[Charcharodon]

I think I will stick with my first comment. You as an IT guy voted for Hillary. Knowing what you know and knowing what the Democrats did, we are not talking about the immoral or illegal or just plain ruthless things they did, but the simple fact that she ran her email the way she did, and how half her staff easily got phished, and you still thought it a great idea to vote for her.......

Wow.....you must....wow just wow. I weep for what ever company you provide IT support for. Do you work for the DNC?

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[lsatenstein]

Hillary is neither a moderate nor a conservative.

Hillary is right of center, just like her husband and Obama. What made the Clintons and Obama successful was co-opting the Republican agenda with welfare reform (Bill), health care and taxes (Obama), and foreign policy (Hillary).

I think what you meant to say is: "As a moderately retarded person, I voted for Hillary"

Uh, no. I'm an asshole. Otherwise, I wouldn't be working in IT. I voted for Hillary because the alternative was a KGB toadie.

You got your KGB toadie. Actually, you got a man who ran "His company his way". Now he intends to run the USA "His way". And as a owner without shareholders, he was beholding to noman. And as President, well......

Hope he will be impeached before his mandate is over.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[geekmux]

Speaking of acceleration, I wonder how many brick and mortar businesses (and jobs) they've left in their wake...

Steel plows put a lot of farmers out of business. Automatic looms put a lot of weavers out of business. Backhoes put a lot of ditch diggers out of business. Progress happens.

People could not find work, could not feed their families, and ultimately perished in the era of previous disruptions too. Try and not dismiss the impact as if it were easy to get through.

And you're right. Progress happens.

20 years ago most people were still using modems to connect to the internet. In the next 20 years, automation and AI will be working to prove it can do anything better and faster than a human. Once we reach that point, there will be few reasons to even tell a human to "go off and get an education", as has been the standard path for humans to find employment for hundreds of years.

I hope you understand that the next iteration of "progress" will be working to put humans out of business, so perhaps we can stop ignorantly pointing at the past now. This isn't some ditch digging machine coming along, impacting 5% of the working population. It's a steamroller, crushing the concept of employment for the masses.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[__aaclcg7560]

You as an IT guy voted for Hillary.

Most of Silicon Valley voted for Hillary, including a lot of IT guys and gals.

I weep for what ever company you provide IT support for.

That would be just about every Fortune 500 company in Silicon Valley over a 20+ year career. I'm currently doing InfoSec for government IT.

Do you work for the DNC?

Nope. But I did turn down an opportunity to do IT at the Meg Whitman for Governor campaign headquarters in 2010. I told the recruiter that not everyone who previously worked at eBay loves Meg Whitman, her radio ads were annoying as hell to listen to while driving, and I voted for the moderate conservative in the Republican primary. Yes, I voted for Jerry Brown in the general election.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[__aaclcg7560]

Hope he will be impeached before his mandate is over.

Impeachment will happen long before his term expires. As for mandate, he has none since 54% of the voters voted against him.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[Charcharodon]

You live in California and voted for Hillary and voted for Jerry Brown and claim to be a conservative........................best troll ever.

Seriously I don't think there is a medical condition that could reach those levels of mental defect, though the Liberal world has been applying all their resources in attempt to discover it.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[__aaclcg7560]

You live in California and voted for Hillary and voted for Jerry Brown and claim to be a conservative........................best troll ever.

Voters like me used to be called "Reagan Democrats" (i.e., fiscally conservative, socially liberal). I vote for the best candidate in each election. Hillary would have kicked Putin's balls then lick them. Jerry Brown did something that no Republican governor in California had ever done: he balanced the state budget.

Seriously I don't think there is a medical condition that could reach those levels of mental defect, though the Liberal world has been applying all their resources in attempt to discover it.

The Republican Party nominated a candidate who is neither a conservative nor a Republican, and, until a few short years ago, was a Clinton Democrat. Psychologists call that "cognitive dissonance": "the state of having inconsistent thoughts, beliefs, or attitudes, especially as relating to behavioral decisions and attitude change."

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[andymadigan]

They were saying humans would soon be "out of business" at the turn of the 20th century, too. Huge machines, steam engines, automobiles, the world was changing fast. A lot of people did lose jobs and fall into deep poverty. Eventually, technology spread and new jobs were created to replace the ones that were gone. Various New Deal programs like the Rural Free Electrification Act and the TVA helped with that. Now, of course, state governments are doing their best to limit the availability of internet service, so it will take a while for those jobs to be created this time around.

Progress is going to keep happening. It's profitable to replace humans with machines that can't get sick, deported, imprisoned, or addicted to heroin. Changes in technology and fluctuations in the market cause jobs to be created and destroyed. The problem is a weak social safety net that allows people to fall into long term unemployment.

The Republicans of course want to go back to the system we had at the turn of the century, where the people who lose the coin flip end up trapped in poverty, producing less than they could if the system were better, and thus depriving the whole nation of the fruits of their labor, making it all the harder for the nation to prosper.

The Republican solution seems to be yelling and theatrics. Oh, and more sick people.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[Charcharodon]

http://www.latimes.com/politic...

Want to revise your statement? Brown got the budget balance, but only after seeing pretty large bumps in taxes, not cutting spending, now that is slipping away from him.

Reagan Democrat. I'll give you that. Leave people alone is my motto. Socially liberal, economically conservative is close enough.

Hillary is neither of those things. Socially she was lurched back and forth between homosexuals are deviates and blacks are animals to the we must accept and care from both (politician=liar/bullshit artist.)

Putin does need to be checked, but another 4-8 years of Bush/Obama. (Hillary is closer to Bush than Obama) No thanks. If we get into another war, they need to be public, declared, and most importantly violent and brief. We don't need another 4-8 years of Obama/Bush incompetence.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[geekmux]

They were saying humans would soon be "out of business" at the turn of the 20th century, too. Huge machines, steam engines, automobiles, the world was changing fast. A lot of people did lose jobs and fall into deep poverty. Eventually, technology spread and new jobs were created to replace the ones that were gone. Various New Deal programs like the Rural Free Electrification Act and the TVA helped with that. Now, of course, state governments are doing their best to limit the availability of internet service, so it will take a while for those jobs to be created this time around. Progress is going to keep happening. It's profitable to replace humans with machines that can't get sick, deported, imprisoned, or addicted to heroin. Changes in technology and fluctuations in the market cause jobs to be created and destroyed. The problem is a weak social safety net that allows people to fall into long term unemployment. The Republicans of course want to go back to the system we had at the turn of the century, where the people who lose the coin flip end up trapped in poverty, producing less than they could if the system were better, and thus depriving the whole nation of the fruits of their labor, making it all the harder for the nation to prosper. The Republican solution seems to be yelling and theatrics. Oh, and more sick people.

Politics? Hardly applicable. Neither Republicans nor Democrats invented greed, or the 1% that maintains Control.

The change and fluctuation in technology this time around is to remove the concept of human employment, so let's stop looking at the past as if this "progress" is anything like it. It's not.

The answer to humans being unemployable seems to be UBI. The 1% controlling AI and automation will have to pay for UBI, and will be taxed to support the 99% who are unemployable. Much like getting the uber-wealthy to pay taxes, greed within the 1% will lobby for paying humans the bare minimum, which will turn UBI into Welfare 2.0 and nothing more.

Re:Bow to your Amazon overlords.

[__aaclcg7560]

Want to revise your statement?

If you re-read my comment, Brown did something that no Republican governor has ever done was to balance the budget for the last four years.

Brown got the budget balance, but only after seeing pretty large bumps in taxes, not cutting spending, now that is slipping away from him.

Brown went to voters for those tax increases. If the Republicans repeal Obamacare without a replacement (not that they have one), it's going to blow a big hole in state and federal budgets.

We don't need another 4-8 years of Obama/Bush incompetence.

The Trump administration is going to rival the Reagan and Nixon administrations for controversies, scandals and prison terms. No wonder the Washington Post is hiring 60+ reporters in the New Year.

Trump really is increasing confidence...

[Anonymous Coward]

in the economy. That's just sad.

Re:Trump really is increasing confidence...

[__aaclcg7560]

Especially for the people who think that the stock market will continue to go up even though we're overdue for a recession. I'm building up a cash reserve for when the market falls so I can buy on the way down. That's where the real money is made.

This is one company

[onyxruby]

You can rest assured that this is one company that wont credit Trump in any way for these jobs.

Re:This is one company

[ClickOnThis]

You can rest assured that this is one company that wont credit Trump in any way for these jobs.

But you can rest assured that Trump himself will try to claim some credit. That's just how he rolls.

Re:This is one company

[__aaclcg7560]

But you can rest assured that Trump himself will try to claim some credit. That's just how he rolls.

Will he take responsibility for the 10,000+ layoffs after encouraging supporters to boycott Macy's?

http://adage.com/article/cmo-strategy/trump-supporters-celebrate-macy-s-job-cuts/307381/

Re:This is one company

[LemonFire]

Let me fix this so that it's not misleading:

"... announcing that it plans to add another 100,000 full-time jobs for ROBOTS in the U.S. over the next 18 months"

-- This SIG has been automated away

Re:This is one company

[Anonymous Coward]

No but he will take credit for people shopping at LL bean.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/01/12/donald-trump-just-used-his-presidential-power-to-advertise-l-l-bean/

Re:This is one company

[sexconker]

Macy's was dying long before that joke of a boycott.

If you believe the boycott had impacted Macy's sales severely enough to blame the loss of jobs on the boycott, then would you not also blame Macy's for not changing course in response? They had well over a year to do so.

Further, why would Trump take responsibility for the lost jobs? Trump wanted to sell his products in Macy's. Macy's was the one that removed the products. Trump asking for a boycott only makes him "responsible" for the shit he himself avoided buying at Macy's. I doubt he was a frequent customer.

The fact is people have been boycotting Macy's for over a decade because their prices are high and their service has been slipping. You used to be able to go to Macy's and be taken care of - proper fittings, jewelry cleaning, basic watch service and repair, staff that would advise you and help you find items to a degree that bordered on having personal shoppers, etc. Now they've got a handful of harpies that shoot perfume at you and try to drag you into a chair to be poorly plastered with overpriced makeup, inventory is sparse and what little there is is strewn about at near K-Mart levels of disorder. The quality of the actual clothing they carry has gone to shit - it's all hyper-marketed, threadbare French-ass-name shit that no one outside of Project Runway cares about. Fashion has always been a joke, but in the past the products at least used decent materials and had good construction.

So, Trump or not, why should anyone shop at Macy's? To quote Project Runway and the Macy's set: "Who's your girl? What's her story?" Is she a retard with a rich daddy (sugar/step/regular)? Rich girls Tweet and Snap and whatnot. They like kitch and "unique" shit they get online direct from the designer on etsy. The money has left the market Macy's is in, and Macy's didn't adapt. The mid-end market went online and to Target and WalMart (and to a lesser extent Old Navy).

Macy's did as most failed businesses do and desperately cut costs (and service/quality) because sales were falling, but never got sales healthy again. Even with 0 costs, 0 sales is still 0.

Re:This is one company

[chispito]

But you can rest assured that Trump himself will try to claim some credit. That's just how any politician rolls.

Corrected. Show me the politician that runs on a platform, gets elected, and then doesn't look for every possible opportunity to show how they are delivering on those promises. Which I guess is one of the few ways he's like every other politician.

Re:This is one company

[__aaclcg7560]

Macy's was dying long before that joke of a boycott.

So what? Whatever happens Before Trump is now irrelevant.

Re:This is one company

[nehumanuscrede]

This is how all administrations " roll ".
Regardless if they had any hand in it whatsoever, if it happens during their tenure, then they'll take the credit or blame for it.

For example, take the economy.

If it tanks over the next four years, the Trump haters will have millions more joining their ranks.
If it improves, a lot of folks may have a change of heart.

It won't make any difference if Trump directly or indirectly does anything to reach those results.
He will, however, either get the blame or the praise for it.

That's just how it works.

Re:This is one company

[ColdWetDog]

Right. We can just reset the clock again.

Last year was 1 BC (Before Clown).

Re:This is one company

[wyHunter]

Rather like Mr. Obama taking claims for things...he uses 'I' far more than Trump ever could.

Re:This is one company

[Goragoth]

And next year is 1 AD (After Donald)?

Re:This is one company

[ClickOnThis]

And next year is 1 AD (After Donald)?

Latin fail. Should be Anno Donaldus.

Re:This is one company

[ClickOnThis]

[Obama] uses 'I' far more than Trump ever could.

That's doubtful, but if it's true, perhaps it's because Trump is fond of referring to himself in the third person.

Re:This is one company

[Hognoxious]

I'm trying to think who else does that, apart from two-year-olds.

Re: This is one company

[scatbomb]

He doesn't even need to anymore. People are claiming it on his behalf! Read the comments. The mindshare is crazy and he's not yet in office.

Temp work at fulltime hours

[Anonymous Coward]

Amazon warehouses hire people on temporary contracts through a temp agency just before christmas and then lays them off in January. I wouldn't be surprised if they 'add' 100,000 jobs per year already by doing this.a1

Re:Temp work at fulltime hours

[Nidi62]

Amazon warehouses hire people on temporary contracts through a temp agency just before christmas and then lays them off in January.

So does UPS, Fed Ex, many major airlines, and other shipping/travel related companies. It's called seasonal positions. In fact, seasonal work was what eventually led to the job I have now which pays pretty well for someone my age/in my area.

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Temps, staffing firms, 30 hour working 40-50?, 40

[Joe_Dragon]

Temps, staffing firms, 30 hour working 40-50? most of the time?, 40 hour working 50-60 most of the time? H1B's?

What jobs are they talking about.

AWS is great! elastic block scaling

[supernova87a]

They forgot to add that after the 18 months are over, they'll invoke the elastic job scaling script:
workforceSize.reduce(-100,000,'salary15.00')

Does this mean that...

[__aaclcg7560]

Amazon will ship my order in one box instead of three or four boxes when I checked the box to group my order together? I usually don't go to my post office box unless I have a handful of packages coming in. Amazon splitting my order into multiple boxes multiplies the number of tracking numbers I can need to keep tabs on.

Re:Does this mean that...

[Anonymous Coward]

Holy first world problems.

Re:Does this mean that...

[__aaclcg7560]

Holy first world problems.

This wouldn't be a problem if my neighbors didn't steal the packages left on my doorstep.

Re:Does this mean that...

[Solandri]

That's really more a consequence of Amazon's delivery contract with UPS. Apparently it's very generous (probably some sort of flat rate based on cumulative weight) so there's little incentive for Amazon to consolidate your orders into fewer boxes. UPS is the one who will have to put pressure on Amazon to reduce the number of boxes. And with Amazon branching out into its own delivery service, I don't see that happening.

Re:Does this mean that...

[Anonymous Coward]

Ever considered leaving a box of angry hornets on your porch?

Re:Does this mean that...

[Anonymous Coward]

I would have disagreed with you until yesterday, that's when I received three separate items in three separate boxes all of course with their own associated packing materials. They all would easily have fit in the largest box of the three. This was unusual (at least for me) as my last few shipments all had been packed in one or two boxes (with 4-6 items purchased). I thought it was a fluke of logistics (different warehouses maybe?) but perhaps my previous shipments were the fluke. I suppose it doesn't overly effect me (home delivery), it just means that I have to take a bit more to the recycling center, but all of those unnecessary materials/space have to be adding some cost somewhere.

Re:Does this mean that...

[DogDude]

Too bad for you. If you shopped locally, it wouldn't be a problem.

Re:Does this mean that...

[Obfuscant]

That's really more a consequence of Amazon's delivery contract with UPS.

No, it's a consequence of which fulfillment center has the stuff in stock. You don't really expect Amazon to ship a widget from their warehouse in Kentucky to a warehouse in California just so they put two widgets into one box, do you? And, of course, if one or more of the items aren't fulfilled by Amazon, you aren't going to get them all in one box no matter what.

As for the nonsense that Amazon has little incentive to consolidate orders, that's just nuts. Being able to put everything in one box saves money, even if it is just the cost of the box and space on the packaging line. They'd do it if they can. Sometimes they can't.

Re:Does this mean that...

[__aaclcg7560]

You don't really expect Amazon to ship a widget from their warehouse in Kentucky to a warehouse in California just so they put two widgets into one box, do you?

Based on my experience, yes. Otherwise, the order would ship immediately instead of waiting a few days or a week to get everything into a box. I had a recent order that got shipped immediately and an older order that got shipped a few days later.

Re:Does this mean that...

[Obfuscant]

Based on my experience, yes.

That leads to a huge increase in logistics for them, and an increase in cost. Ship something twice so it can be delivered once? It certainly costs them a lot less to ship from two different places in two different boxes than to ship a total of three times.

I had a recent order that got shipped immediately and an older order that got shipped a few days later.

What do you think that proves? The recent order was in stock; the older order wasn't, probably. Or fulfilled from two different places.

Re:Does this mean that...

[__aaclcg7560]

Too bad for you. If you shopped locally, it wouldn't be a problem.

Most of the stuff I order through Amazon isn't available locally. For example, New Balance MX623V3 shoes in 13 4E and black. That's not a common size or color. They look like dress shoes, so I can wear them at work and still be comfortable. The price for these can vary from $50 to $150 through Amazon.

Re:Does this mean that...

[__aaclcg7560]

That leads to a huge increase in logistics for them, and an increase in cost.

I had replacement packages that got shipped Same Day Express across the country to be delivered at 9PM at night. That isn't cheap. After I had three packages stolen in one week, and three late night deliveries, I got a post office box for my packages.

What do you think that proves? The recent order was in stock; the older order wasn't, probably. Or fulfilled from two different places.

Amazon need to get their logistical shit together.

Re:Does this mean that...

[Obfuscant]

I had replacement packages that got shipped Same Day Express across the country to be delivered at 9PM at night. That isn't cheap.

Replacing lost or stolen packages has nothing to do with how many packages they ship or from where. Amazon is NOT going to waste money shipping one item to another fulfillment center just so it can be put in the same box as something else you ordered. It doesn't matter if you want them to ship it all in one box, if the items are coming from two different places there will be two different boxes.

If you have a problem with things being stolen from your front step, don't have them delivered to your front step. That's a different issue altogether from how many boxes they ship things in.

Amazon need to get their logistical shit together.

They have it together. They understand their costs better than you do.

Re:Does this mean that...

[Hognoxious]

It's the price of freedom. It's what makes 'merka NUMBER ONE!

In sensible countries (i.e. pretty much everywhere else) the rule is "until I sign, it ain't mine". The downside is the death panels and being forced to marry a gay once a fortnight.

Re:Does this mean that...

[__aaclcg7560]

If you have a problem with things being stolen from your front step, don't have them delivered to your front step.

I got a post office box. That was two years before Amazon started shipping orders in multiple boxes.

They have it together.

Two orders delivered in eight boxes suggest that they don't have their shit together.

They understand their costs better than you do.

They must be squeezing their suppliers if they can afford to send an extra six boxes and packing materials for two orders.

Re:Does this mean that...

[Obfuscant]

I got a post office box. That was two years before Amazon started shipping orders in multiple boxes.

Amazon has always shipped orders in multiple boxes when the circumstances warranted it. It has nothing to do with you getting a PO box.

Two orders delivered in eight boxes suggest that they don't have their shit together.

They didn't delivery two orders in eight boxes. They delivered the orders in a couple of boxes which got stolen, so they had to send them again. They can't predict when you're going to have things stolen, and they don't save money by sending everything you order to one central fulfillment center just so it gets to you in one box. And NOTHING they could have done would have made this set of "two orders" ever get to you in ONE box, since you had to have it redelivered at least once.

Your example is just ridiculous (and thus dishonest) since it conflates your complaint about not honoring a "minimize shipments" option on the original order with you having things delivered to an insecure location and they were stolen.

They must be squeezing their suppliers if they can afford to send an extra six boxes and packing materials for two orders.

It's called "insurance", and they had no way of preventing the extra costs by consolidating the reshipments into the original. It is stupid to expect them to be able to ship "everything" in one box when "everything" includes both items from different parts of the country AND sending them again when they were stolen from where YOU had them delivered.

Re:Does this mean that...

[__aaclcg7560]

Your example is just ridiculous (and thus dishonest) since it conflates your complaint about not honoring a "minimize shipments" option on the original order with you having things delivered to an insecure location and they were stolen.

That's because you are deliberately misrepresenting what I wrote. Stolen packages from doorstep were two years ago, which was when I got my post office box and had packages delivered there. I had two RECENT ORDERS shipped in eight boxes. I went to the post office this morning to break down eight boxes and put 11 items into a canvas grocery bag. PITA!

Re:Temps, staffing firms, 30 hour working 40-50?,

[qQ7eBMsfM5gs]

H1B's, no doubt about it

Good, but...

[ErichTheRed]

My guess is that they're just extrapolating out an estimate of the number of people it will take to run their new in-house FedEx/UPS service and staff warehouses. Also, if I were a retailer, I'd be banking on trying to capitalize on Sears and Macy's likely bankruptcies in the next 18 months. Macy's might survive in a smaller form but I'm sure Sears is going to be parted out because it's being run by a hedge fund. I doubt technical jobs will be a double-digit percent of this amount -- it's going to be line-level grunts packing boxes, flying planes, driving delivery trucks, etc.

I've also heard many stories about how Amazon is to work for in both technical and ground level positions. I don't think I'd want a tech position there, even though they're working on really cool stuff with AWS. Accounts from alumni I've heard describe it as a huge employer who's insanely tight-fisted and never grew up out of startup crunch mode. Their perfect employee is a fresh grad with no previous experience that will say nothing of working nights, weekends, etc. for low pay. I think the phrase "Seattle hundreds" was coined there initially. Add that to the pressure-cooker back stabbing culture I've heard described many times, and I think I'll pass!

Re:Good, but...

[painandgreed]

I've also heard many stories about how Amazon is to work for in both technical and ground level positions. I don't think I'd want a tech position there, even though they're working on really cool stuff with AWS. Accounts from alumni I've heard describe it as a huge employer who's insanely tight-fisted and never grew up out of startup crunch mode. Their perfect employee is a fresh grad with no previous experience that will say nothing of working nights, weekends, etc. for low pay. I think the phrase "Seattle hundreds" was coined there initially. Add that to the pressure-cooker back stabbing culture I've heard described many times, and I think I'll pass!

This matches what I've heard (although some parts are better than others), however, you must understand that most of their new hires tend to be fresh grads looking to get something on their resume and expect to use it to be gone in 18 months due to their own plans anyway.

WHOOPEE!

[Thud457]

Are these jobs:

• 40 hours a week
• have full healthcare
• paid vacation
• pension^W 401k matching
• treatment with basic human respect

?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Re:WHOOPEE!

[Pascoea]

Yeah, I didn't think so.

I know it's par for the course around here, but it's right in the linked article.

Amazon says the jobs will offer “highly-competitive pay, health insurance, disability insurance, retirement savings plans and company stock.”

Re:WHOOPEE!

[0100010001010011]

have full healthcare
paid vacation
pension^W 401k matching

Why not bring the US up to par with other 1st world countries so employees don't have to depend on the company to do that?

I don't think "How are the vacation and health care policies" are questions most Europeans think of when they go to interview for a new job.

Re:WHOOPEE!

[Anonymous Coward]

Did you RTFA? moron.

Re:WHOOPEE!

[Anonymous Coward]

We should also force drug stores to limit the amount of lube to sell you each month. That way, like most Europeans, you won't have to think for yourself about how much to buy.

Re:WHOOPEE!

[Anonymous Coward]

Vacation at Amazon is 2 weeks and they think that is generous. I had a recruiter call me for a release manager job for their subsidiary that makes the Kindle and laughed my ass off at the pathetic benefits their offered. My current company offers unlimited vacation, the freedom plan, and I take 6 weeks off a year plus whatever sick days come up. I work from home 4 days a week and have a flexible schedule. I don't now how they find people in Silicon Valley, nobody I know would want to work there. They certainly don't have the mystique of Apple or Google, were people will trade their lives for a job.

Re:WHOOPEE!

[nehumanuscrede]

Did you say Pension ?

Pensions are on the endangered species list last I checked. Only those who have been in the workforce for quite a while ( say 20+ ) years will be the ones who will still have a pension available to them.

Even in my own company, which is a Fortune 500 flavor, pensions are being phased out.
If you hired on after a certain date, you are no longer eligible for one. Better put some extra into your savings plan.

Full healthcare benefits ( that are affordable ) are going to be another rarity in new careers / jobs. Mine have gone from Amazing to Shit in a few short years. ( coincides with the ACA actually )

So to find a job with all of your points intact, would be an amazing find for anyone I think.

Re:WHOOPEE!

[Anonymous Coward]

Because GOP will not allow it to happen. As long as the Republicans have any significant power on the federal or state level, America will remain country were the richest survive.

Re:WHOOPEE!

[antdude]

Which company is this? ;)

Re:WHOOPEE!

[Anonymous Coward]

Full healthcare benefits ( that are affordable ) are going to be another rarity in new careers / jobs. Mine have gone from Amazing to Shit in a few short years. ( coincides with the ACA actually )

I tuned into the CNN town haul with Paul Ryan. So far we have.
1 - delete ACA
2 - those with preexisting conditions are going to be tossed on some plan of last resort subsidized by the state. Presumably they could keep there better plans up to the point they missed a payment, but who knows.
3 - throw planned parenthood under the bus, but prop up community health centers with the cash
4 - some kind of tax credits for everyone else.. No idea of the details.
5 - No mandate to buy insurance, but presumably hospitals will still be required to treat them in emergency rooms.

The planned parenthood bit is just flat out removing abortion services from the country by any means. People already have to drive multiple states away in some cases for a legal service. Either way, it likely won't affect peoples health care costs a bunch save for those who don't have a health center.

I'm not hearing any minimum's on coverage, so I'm guessing that people will get their junk plans back, and then go bankrupt when they don't cover serious cases. Reintroducing discrimination into health care by shoving anyone really sick into the plan of last resort is a nice touch. My dad was on high risk insurance for years before he passed after the insurance company canceled the entire category of plan to get rid of the remaining customers. It was outrageously expensive.

I didn't hear anything about limiting profits for insurers either, so I assume that clause will go away. So we have so far
1) Less people contributing
2) The same population that needs health care
3) The sickest tossed on the policy of last resort rack.

How exactly is this better? Best I can see is you offset losing the mandate with the gains you get by tossing the sick on the plan of last resort, and even that is iffy. That plan is going to be under incredible pressure to limit services. You could easily have the insurers making a pile more money, net costs going up overall, and still have the sick mostly tossed to the curb.

I still think the best bet is to fix obamacare. If people aren't signing up, then increase the fine to the point where it is cheaper to buy insurance. They are living. They have skin in the game and are going to need services. If needed we can increase the subsidies as well.

Re:WHOOPEE!

[Anonymous Coward]

SuccessFactors.

Re:WHOOPEE!

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm against Vacations, especially with Pay. Why? We have too many already. People should get one week for Christmas and that's it. You want more money? Then work for it and stop trying to weasel out of work with your so-called Vacations.

Replacing jobs Meg Whitman has cast off from HP

[BenJeremy]

Sadly, Amazon jobs are a far cry from the jobs lost in HP's efforts to spin off, spin down and disintegrate the brand (while extracting as much cash as possible through stock options before the ride ends).

She's shed something around 80,000 jobs and more are on the chopping block.

As for Amazon, I'm sure these are jobs fit for a Trumperor follower - low-paying, no-benefits jobs that bring us more to parity with the third world.

Re:Replacing jobs Meg Whitman has cast off from HP

[sexconker]

Your post made me remember that Meg Whitman killed HP. I think I recently gave that honor to Fiorina by mistake. The 2 are so terrible in the same exact ways I get them confused.

You are late

[Anonymous Coward]

Sears just sold Craftsman to Black & Decker. It already started.

Soros loser mod you down?

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: I'm inclined to agree based on this amazon result, sprint, carrier, Ford, kicking foreign cheap HB1 labor out, alibaba possibly too - probably more too!

* He's a SMART man & what the USA needed was a BUSINESSMAN (a successful one which he is overall) to stop the ship sinking... so far, I've got to hand it to the man - he's DELIVERING (even BEFORE he's in office, & he's NOT TAKING PRESIDENTIAL PAY even OR a DAY OFF!).

APK

P.S.=> We're lucky to have him - he's outsmarting what I call "THE GLOBALOIDS" (Soros, Hillary Clinton (CFR/Bilderberger/Trilateral commission) & apparently even KNOWN globalist Jeff Bezos (his Washington post bs gives THAT much away)), bigtime... apk

Re:Soros loser mod you down?

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah.... nobody said they were kicking out H1B workers. My company has put on so many that it's difficult to find a native english-speaker in my department. But hey, at least they're all working here in the US! Making America great! With poverty-level pay for what used to be six-figure jobs, and no health insurance because their contracting company is exempt from the AHA, meaning they clog up local ERs with no capacity to pay for services, driving up healthcare costs for everyone else. Making America Great!

Re:Soros loser mod you down?

[ranton]

I'm inclined to agree based on this amazon result, sprint, carrier, Ford, kicking foreign cheap HB1 labor out, alibaba possibly too - probably more too!

This is all just Trump's PR machine taking credit for things that happen all the time anyway. According to The Reshoring Initiative, about 3000 jobs per month moved back to the US from 2009-2016. In 2015 it was almost 5600 jobs per month. With Carrier saving 800 jobs immediately, Sprint creating 5000 jobs over 12 months, and Ford creating 700 jobs in an undetermined amount of time, it all comes up to well under 1000 jobs per month. And arguably only a few hundred of them would have been counted by the Reshoring Initiative, so it's an even smaller number compared to previous years than it looks. These are all just very small deals being made at a local level which happen all of the time.

When presidents save jobs, they do it millions at a time. Like when Obama saved an estimated 1.5 million automotive jobs through TARP. It's not fair to compare Trump's accomplishments with Obama's since Trump hasn't entered office yet, but these minor news stories are the type of wins a mayor or governor would brag about, not a President elect. The type of deal making where Trump sits in an office with individual business owners (even if the business is as big as Ford) is not the type which will make meaningful change for American workers.

Re: Soros loser mod you down?

[scatbomb]

These workers will need lunches, cars, work clothes, etc. You get the picture. We are just scratching the surface.

Re:Another TRUMP victory!

[Anonymous Coward]

America First! End the abuse!

And what's the point?

[Okian Warrior]

You can rest assured that this is one company that wont credit Trump in any way for these jobs.

But you can rest assured that Trump himself will try to claim some credit. That's just how he rolls.

I'm not sure why this matters.

Adding 100,000 domestic workers in the US seems like it's a good thing. It even seems quite likely that many (if not all) of these jobs could have been outsourced or performed in a foreign office, and Amazon itself says that these are "across the board" jobs, and not simply seasonal or fulfilment slave-labor.

And you should also admit that Trump is largely the source of the "hire local" climate, he's caused companies to rethink their outsourcing plans, especially in light of the alternative candidate who said explicitly that she wants completely open borders for job seekers.

But none of that matters. I don't think many people really care who takes the credit.

Is it important to you?

Help me out here.

Why should credit even matter?

Re:And what's the point?

[__aaclcg7560]

Why should credit even matter?

Trump takes credit for everything that makes him look good even though he had nothing to do with it. He will constantly remind people that he is so awesome that he refers to himself in the third-person (i.e., "If Putin likes Donald Trump — guess what, folks, that's called an asset, not a liability."). It's going to be a long four years.

Re:And what's the point?

[Anonymous Coward]

Adding 100,000 domestic workers in the US seems like it's a good thing.

After many years of being in recession, the USA is finally getting close to full employment. So the issue is no longer jobs, per se. Instead the issue is wages for low-end labor jobs - factory workers and coal miners, so to speak.

At various times and places throughout history, low-end laborers have sometimes had it better and sometimes had it worse. The early days of the industrial revolution in Europe and England are famous for being bad - child labor in coal mines, for example. But the 1960's in the USA are famous for being good - a high school graduate could earn enough to own a home and a car or two and not have to worry about his family going hungry or not having enough other basic necessities. Trump's promise to "Make America Great" was essentially a promise to bring back the 1960s.

Will these Amazon jobs employ out of work coal miners at wages that are enough to own a home and support a family simply but comfortably? If so, it's a good thing. If not, then no.

Why should credit even matter?

If you don't care about poverty or inequality generally then none of it matters. But, if you do care, then you want to know what works and what doesn't.

Looking around the world, there are countries, such as Denmark, with productive industrially developed economies that have very low levels of inequality (poverty basically doesn't exist - at least not in the same sense as in other countries). And then there are other countries, such as Singapore, that also have productive industrially developed economies that have very high levels of inequality (a handful of billionaires and most of the rest of the population living in austere little apartments in concrete government high-rises having to rely on overcrowded public transportation because they can't afford to own cars).

So, poverty and inequality are almost certainly a choice - based on the policies that a government chooses to adopt. But what policies are effective and which aren't? Will "building a wall with Mexico" reduce poverty/inequality in the USA - making the USA more like Denmark and less like Singapore?

Myself, I care about such things because I care about poverty, and inequality generally. But it's fine if you don't. As they say in beer commercials "Be your own dog: hold your own leash."

Re:And what's the point?

[Solandri]

Because unfortunately, most people are wired to give more weight to a few standout examples rather than to the overall trend. e.g.

• Planes are safer than cars, but many people are afraid of flying when they don't think twice about getting into a car.
• People oppose nuclear power because of Fukushima and Chernobyl, when statistically it's the safest power source man has invented. (Yes, safer than solar and wind. They kill more people per unit of energy delivered. The only reason they don't kill many people is because they don't generate much electricity, and when they do it's scattered one here and one there, instead of all concentrated in one place.)
• The general belief that child abductions by a stranger are a serious problem, when in fact they represent only 0.01% of missing children cases.
• Bush Jr. being perceived as anti-science because of his opposition to fetal stem cell research and killing the superconduction super collider, when he's actually responsible for the biggest increase in Federal non-defense R&D spending since the space race.

If you want to lead people to a conclusion opposite of the facts, presenting a few contrary examples is a great way to do it. That's why people are obsessed with assigning credit or blame for specific incidents. Kudos to you for seeing the forest despite the trees.

Re:And what's the point?

[scatbomb]

You have all been manipulated. Trump doesn't even have to say anything, you're all doing this conversation totally unprompted. It's like word association: Jobs... Trump! Playing right into his hands. Trump is truly a 3D chess master. Watching the media come apart at the seams, watching the Democrats crash and burn, and seeing the Republicans defy all odds and win the presidency... These are amazing times we live in and it seems like the Left is to thank for much of it.

Re:And what's the point?

[Anonymous Coward]

And you should also admit that Trump is largely the source of the "hire local" climate, he's caused companies to rethink their outsourcing plans, especially in light of the alternative candidate who said explicitly that she wants completely open borders for job seekers.

Nope. That's been something proclaimed for YEARS. It's been a scam.

So is Trump's "Carrier deal" and "Ford and he lied about "Boeing too.

Durp, durp, durp. You lie about Hillary Clinton as well. Just like Your Orange God

Who also made up a story about bidding on drugs. LOL. Yeah, let's see him change the Republican's opposition to the reform proposed by Democrats for decades. He'll either come up with a way to screw us, or fail and claim he somehow saved us anyway.

But none of that matters. I don't think many people really care who takes the credit.

Is it important to you?

Help me out here.

Why should credit even matter?

Ask your good buddy, Donald J. Trump, who puts his name on everything.

Sorry, but some of us know that Donald only wants CREDIT for success, he doesn't even care if the job gets done.

Maybe you like his over-the-top bombastic style of self-aggrandizement, maybe you think his much vaunted narcissism is a matter of virtue, but you're the one who has to look at what you've embraced.

With open eyes. He's already said he likes being liked. He can't see a problem in that. He'll be a suck-up to anybody who offers him praise.

And if you dare to criticize or challenge him, he'll throw a tantrum.

Re:And what's the point?

[DogDude]

Trump is truly a 3D chess master.

No, he's not even a 2D chess master. He's a barely literate buffoon.

Re:And what's the point?

[Oswald McWeany]

It's going to be a long four years.

Bet he gets shot in his first year. A lot of people hate him and he's made an enemy of the intelligence services. I wouldn't be surprised if they accidentally don't see an angry ex military sniper one day.

Re:And what's the point?

[Anonymous Coward]

And you should also admit that Trump is largely the source of the "hire local" climate, he's caused companies to rethink their outsourcing plans, especially in light of the alternative candidate who said explicitly that she wants completely open borders for job seekers.

(1) No, and
(2) WTF fake news were you reading?
(3) This doesn't even make sense as a whole thought. If borders were "completely open" for job seekers, then there would be a flood of cheaper workers, and that would reduce the costs for these companies, which they would be in favor of.

Re:And what's the point?

[Anonymous Coward]

You say that but he knew EXACTLY how to play the us voting system and become the president elect. What have you done lately? I'd say he's less of a buffoon and more of an ego manical asshole

Re:And what's the point?

[Anonymous Coward]

What really matters though?

DogDude: a polite, educated and intelligent, diligent worker with basically no political power and wealth that will probably stay under 2 million.
Trump: a rude, stupid, politician who holds one of the world's most powerful offices and is worth over three and a half billion.

It seems like Trump has won a game that DogDude has lost. And it has quite a prize.

Re: And what's the point?

[scatbomb]

That "buffoon" is your president. Say what you will, becoming president is not easy. But by all means, sink deeper into your denial.

Re: And what's the point?

[JackieBrown]

They are starting early. They succeeded in attaching this label to Bush Jr. He never argued it and mostly handled criticism by not sinking to "that level." It was a bad move since it basically left any anti-Bush narrative unchallenged.

There is a lot of frustration on the part of the left because trump has no issues getting and staying in the ditches to push back on anything he considers negative.

Re: And what's the point?

[DogDude]

What denial? We will have a dangerous, stupid, barely literate buffoon as president in 8 days. I'm not denying that. I'm denying that he's a "3D chess master".

Re:And what's the point?

[iggymanz]

His IQ probably is higher than yours, and he wrung a presidential victory very strategically. I suspect he needed literacy to graduate Wharton.

Re:And what's the point?

[DogDude]

His IQ probably is higher than yours,

No, it isn't.

I suspect he needed literacy to graduate Wharton.

Why would you think that? You don't need to be literate to graduate from UNC, I doubt that you have to be literate to graduate from Wharton, either.

Re: And what's the point?

[scatbomb]

You're in denial that the entire system was played by this "buffoon" (who says buffoon anyway? Are you from 1920?). If he's so stupid explain how he destroyed a heavily favored candidate despite no background in politics and spending way less campaigning. Read the comments here. Totally stuffed with free advertising. The article didn't even mention Trump. He's under your skin and in your head. I'm not a Republican, but I'm not stupid enough to underestimate Trump. LMAO you just don't get it.

Re:And what's the point?

[Tablizer]

He's a very very skilled buffoon. The GOP debates were classic entertainment; people couldn't help but watch and want more.

Re: And what's the point?

[DogDude]

I get it. People are stupid. Idiocracy is here. The idea that he deliberately planned this whole thing is beyond absurd. You're more of a fool than he is if you think that he's brilliant.

Re: And what's the point?

[hackwrench]

Credot matters because we need to determine whose policies/decisions are the ones having a positive or negative effect.

Re: And what's the point?

[Anonymous Coward]

I get it. People are stupid. Idiocracy is here. The idea that he deliberately planned this whole thing is beyond absurd. You're more of a fool than he is if you think that he's brilliant.

I never said he was brilliant, I said that he played the Democrats and the media. All those tweets, stupid statements, etc the media frenzy propelled him into the spotlight again and again. The left got so pissed off that they lashed out and alienated independents. I doubt he knew how self-destructive the Democrats' actions would be, but as I said, the Democrats appear to have totally wrecked their own party during this campaign and Trump was winner by default. It was the Democrats' election to lose. Now Trump is laughing all the way to the white house.

Re: And what's the point?

[Anonymous Coward]

Very true

Re: And what's the point?

[scatbomb]

Anyway, you've heard my opinion. How in your opinion did this "buffoon" beat Hillary despite the support of a popular Democrat POTUS in office, the media, and spending way more money? I'm doing to know.

Re: And what's the point?

[Tablizer]

Americans are genetically pioneers: we set out into the unknown, taking big risk to perhaps find a better place/way. USA collectively rolled the dice and headed into yonder.

Of course, we could end up with a back full of arrows or with Donner sandwiches.

Re:And what's the point?

[Anonymous Coward]

Credit matters in that people think it does. The economy is a force of people making decisions emotionally.

Having a president that screams "I'm good for the economy" will cause people to invest, build stuff and create jobs. If he gets examples and pushes the message stronger as it happens... more people will believe it and invest, build stuff, create jobs.

Re:And what's the point?

[iggymanz]

Evidence is in Trump's favor, with your far inferior life accomplishments.

Re:And what's the point?

[ClickOnThis]

Oh please. No. Just no. Let's not even think about that.

Look, I don't like the guy. But wish death on him? That's just supremely uncool.

He did suggest darkly that the "second-amendment people" might handle Hillary Clinton in some way. But for the love of FSM, just let that go. Let's not think that there are bull's-eyes on the people who represent us in public office.

Puh-leeze.

Re:And what's the point?

[Oswald McWeany]

I didn't state whether I wanted him shot or not. I merely stated, I wouldn't at all be surprised if he gets assassinated.

Pence would probably be a worse president than Trump for a couple of reasons. He genuinely believes in his wacko ideas, this isn't just a pure "say anything to get power" thing for him like it was for Trump. As an ideologue, Pence would be more likely to get things done, he has motivation; things that would be bad for our economy and society. Trump has no diplomatic skill and the republican politicians mostly hate him. He's not going to get anything accomplished that they don't want accomplished- Trump probably holds less power than any president in decades.

Re:And what's the point?

[ClickOnThis]

I didn't state whether I wanted him shot or not. I merely stated, I wouldn't at all be surprised if he gets assassinated.

You're right. Sorry.

Re:Temps, staffing firms, 30 hour working 40-50?,

[Anonymous Coward]

They want to see if they can hit the quota limit earlier than usual.

F it we're going to deliver everything

[Anonymous Coward]

This likely has to do with expansion of amazon local to everywhere.
I for example now have access to not only to 2 hour delivery for some normal Amazon stuff; But recently they started doing restaurant delivery as well.

Why?

[Anonymous Coward]

You can rest assured that this is one company that wont credit Trump in any way for these jobs.

Why should they? What exactly has Trump done to cause this to happen?

And keep in mind, Obama is still our President for another week. So, if we're going to wrongfully give credit to Presidents or Presidents Elect, then shouldn't Obama get the credit?

Re:Why?

[__aaclcg7560]

And keep in mind, Obama is still our President for another week.

Obama is training his replacement. That the inexperienced new guy claiming credit isn't unexpected. Obama's next job will be a Uber driver in Washington, D.C., area.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/president-obama-jokes-about-becoming-an-uber-driver-after-leaving-office/

Re: Why?

[Anonymous Coward]

No, companies are planning ahead due to Trump. Trump gets the credit, sorry.

Was going to be automated anyway

[WillAffleckUW]

Better that you realize the world is changing and you bow down to Seattle now.

(ducks)

And spin is important?

[Okian Warrior]

Why should credit even matter?

Trump takes credit for everything that makes him look good even though he had nothing to do with it. He will constantly remind people that he is so awesome that he refers to himself in the third-person (i.e., "If Putin likes Donald Trump — guess what, folks, that's called an asset, not a liability."). It's going to be a long four years.

And that's important?

I think what's important is the reality, not the spin. The important bit from the article is that we get 100,000 more jobs.

I think you're focusing on the wrong goals.

And additionally, you're imagining a fantasy situation just so you can complain how bad that fantasy situation is.

But hey, fantasy simulation seems like it'll be the next big thing in VR.

Knock yourself out.

Re:And spin is important?

[__aaclcg7560]

And that's important?

It is for the media that gave Trump $2B+ in free advertising during the election.

I think what's important is the reality, not the spin.

Tell the media.

The important bit from the article is that we get 100,000 more jobs.

Are these good paying middle class jobs that Trump promised to bring back to America? I doubt it.

I think you're focusing on the wrong goals.

Tell the media.

And additionally, you're imagining a fantasy situation just so you can complain how bad that fantasy situation is.

Tell the media.

But hey, fantasy simulation seems like it'll be the next big thing in VR.

I'll pass. I'm sure someone will get a kick out of Trump's Golden Showers VR.

http://www.thewrap.com/social-media-jokes-trump-golden-showers/

Knock yourself out.

Tell the media.

Re:And spin is important?

[LetterRip]

I think what's important is the reality, not the spin. The important bit from the article is that we get 100,000 more jobs.

It will probably be a net 10,000,000 job loss for the US. Amazon is substituting for less efficient stores, by having automated stores that should replace people at least 10 to 1, and likely as much as 100 to 1.

Re:And spin is important?

[JackieBrown]

I'm glad now you watch Fox only because all the media news channels I see are constantly bashing him. Every time I walk into the break room I seen another banner-line criticizing something Trump did - best was his dating life in the 70s.

Re:And spin is important?

[__aaclcg7560]

I'm glad now you watch Fox only because all the media news channels I see are constantly bashing him.

Sorry, I don't watch Fox News. I stopped watching TV 30 years ago.

Re:And spin is important?

[Gr8Apes]

I think what's important is the reality, not the spin. The important bit from the article is that we get 100,000 more jobs.

It will probably be a net 10,000,000 job loss for the US.

You're an optimist! I'd say this is well more than 200K jobs lost. (Because we can all pull numbers out of our ...) But seriously, 99% of these jobs would be gone within 10 years anyways, so does it matter if it's amazon or automation that takes them?

Amazon stories

[Futurepower(R)]

Amazon: Worse than Wal-Mart: Amazon's sick brutality and secret history of ruthlessly intimidating workers (February 23, 2014)

Amazon: Inside Amazon: Wrestling Big Ideas in a Bruising Workplace (August 15, 2015) Quote: "The company is conducting an experiment in how far it can push white-collar workers..."

Amazon: Amazon Under Fire Over Alleged Worker Abuse in Germany (February 19, 2013)

Microsoft: Microsoft Is Filled With Abusive Managers And Overworked Employees, Says Tell-All Book (May 23, 2012)

Seattle: Together with Microsoft and bad city management, Seattle is a miserable place:

Traffic: Seattle one of the worst U.S. cities for traffic congestion, tied with NYC (March 31, 2015) Quote: "An additional 23 minutes a day spent in traffic may not sound like much, but when it adds up over a year it becomes 89 hours." (Whoever wrote that must be accustomed to Seattle misery. An additional 23 minutes a day spent in traffic sounds HORRIBLE.)

Slow internet: Many areas of Seattle have poor internet connections. See the article, These places have the slowest Internet in the country. (June 25, 2015) Quote: "... Seattle ... CenturyLink (CTL) customers trying to access particular sites from 9 p.m. to 10 p.m. will have unbearably slow speeds."

Re:Amazon stories

[wyHunter]

I have, occasionally, had offers to interview at both major tech employers in Seattle. My response each time has been "If I wanted to live in a dreary , rainy climate, I'd move to England - at least that's a cool place to live, unlike Seattle.

Re:Amazon stories

[tsqr]

"An additional 23 minutes a day spent in traffic may not sound like much, but when it adds up over a year it becomes 89 hours." (Whoever wrote that must be accustomed to Seattle misery. An additional 23 minutes a day spent in traffic sounds HORRIBLE.)

Whoever wrote that is also sorely lacking in arithmetic skills. 23 minutes a day, 5 days a week, 52 weeks a year comes out to over 99 hours.

Re: Amazon stories

[Anonymous Coward]

As a Brit who spent 4 yes in Seattle (and have completely the opposite view) may I suggest that the grass is always greener etc.

Re:Amazon stories

[kristianbrigman]

They probably figured they would take some vacation... which would reduce this to at least 48 or 49 weeks instead. It looks like they were using 46 weeks as the guideline (as that is what the math works out at).

Re:Amazon stories

[tsqr]

They probably figured they would take some vacation... which would reduce this to at least 48 or 49 weeks instead. It looks like they were using 46 weeks as the guideline (as that is what the math works out at).

I considered that, and calculated the same 46 work-week figure you came up with. Have you ever known anyone in the US that started a new job with 6 weeks of vacation? I haven't; it's usually 2 weeks until you've been employed for a few years. I suppose we'll be hearing from someone who started off with unlimited vacation, but that has to be freakishly rare (and definitely not Amazon).

Re:Amazon stories

[painandgreed]

Seattle: Together with Microsoft and bad city management, Seattle is a miserable place: Traffic: Seattle one of the worst U.S. cities for traffic congestion, tied with NYC (March 31, 2015) Quote: "An additional 23 minutes a day spent in traffic may not sound like much, but when it adds up over a year it becomes 89 hours." (Whoever wrote that must be accustomed to Seattle misery. An additional 23 minutes a day spent in traffic sounds HORRIBLE.) Slow internet: Many areas of Seattle have poor internet connections. See the article, These places have the slowest Internet in the country. (June 25, 2015) Quote: "... Seattle ... CenturyLink (CTL) customers trying to access particular sites from 9 p.m. to 10 p.m. will have unbearably slow speeds."

Yes, Seattle is horrible. DO NOT COME HERE! There's nothing to see or do. No work. No food. No housing. um, ...did I mention it rains all the time and you'll be depressed and need Vitamin D shots or risk committing suicide? It's a wasteland and at best just the demo version of San Francisco. Move there!

Re: Amazon stories

[Kernel Krumpit]

I'm a Brit. I found Seattle fun(ner) before 2001. In 1999 it took me less than fifteen minutes from West Seattle to Bellevue. In 2003 when I left - a disgrace. Anyways, for that and other reasons, I'm ecstatic to be away from Seattle.

Re: Amazon stories

[Anonymous Coward]

Because Monkeyshit Corp is importing countless H1B sand n1ggers and indo-chimps into the area.
That shit is unsustainable and in 20 years the place will be a wasteland with wild indo-chimps roaming and invading the neighboring counties.

Re:Amazon stories

[Anonymous Coward]

TomTom, for whatever reason, is assuming 230 working days a year. You'd know this if you checked their page. It shows up in a little pop-up when you mouse over.

That works out to 88 hours and 10 minutes, but they may be rounding their data for convenience, still, it is clearly from TomTom, as seen in the dated screenshot. Finding another 20 minutes to take the average up could come from truncating 23 minutes and 20 seconds down.

Re: Amazon stories

[Anonymous Coward]

In bars they usually turn on the awkward macho mode. They think they have a big cock or something. But in reality it's like a cock, but smaller.

Re: Amazon stories

[Bitmanhome]

.. 4 yes in Seattle ..

Not a typo, that's how brits pronounce years.

Re: Amazon stories

[Anonymous Coward]

Wow man, you have some anger management issues to deal with troll. Many of those you are using that racist bigot language against are better people and better workers than you, period. Your little a$$ is sore that you were replaced by them but your language just shows they were right to do so.

Isn't this just moving jobs?

[RhettLivingston]

Unless Amazon is really believing they will increase sales by 50% and that it will all be new sales instead of sales taken from other stores, this is just moving jobs from other companies, like UPS, and putting them at Amazon.

This looks like a likely net job loss for the country due to increased efficiency of shipping and even more pressure on small businesses due to reducing the value of the immediacy of shopping down the street.

If not for walmart, It could also be seen as leveraging their monopoly and unhealthy due to adding to their vertical depth. Is a "duopoly" bad when it damages or destroys thousands of small businesses that spread wealth more effectively?

Re:Isn't this just moving jobs?

[Anonymous Coward]

This looks like a likely net job loss for the country due to increased efficiency of shipping and even more pressure on small businesses due to reducing the value of the immediacy of shopping down the street.

Probably. I'm not opposed to increasing efficiency, or even robots replacing humans, but while humans remain they need to be treated decently. The problems we have tend to go something like this.

1) Automation is not going to decrease. It is going to increase..

2) The more automation, the fewer people have to be paid, the more wealth pools at the top. This means those at the bottom have less money to buy all those fancy things produced by automation.

3) The obvious solutions like reducing the number of work hours, or increasing the taxes on the wealthy so the money can be put back into the economy, and reach the hands of people without jobs, or at least full time jobs is anathema to republicans. it is also, sadly, apparently necessary.

4) Seriously, they are perfectly fine with a president that basically eviscerates the last four commandments, particularly the one about false witness continually, but talk about taxing the rich and they will go all fire and brimstone on you. [I'm counting steal by his continually avoiding paying his fair share in taxes, as well as his continual efforts to stiff people that work for him.] (The other two were adultery and coveting others stuff.)

Re:Isn't this just moving jobs?

[Anonymous Coward]

What duopoly? Amazon is going to destroy Walmart. Google the age profile of Walmart shoppers. Nobody under 30 is walking into their stores. Increasingly everyone under 30 has their groceries delivered and this is across income cohorts and not just a phenomena among the upper middle class. Walmart just announced that it's firing 1,000 people. Its sales were down in 2015 for the first time EVER.

Have YOU done better?

[Anonymous Coward]

See my subject - Talk's cheap & so are you posting via UNIDENTIFIABLE "soros loser" methods...

Health care? Gosh, that YoBama care REALLY lowered costs (not)... you have a tremendous out of job unemployed using it is why, but not paying into it - do the math (the figures Obama's administration are fake too not even considering those who are no longer actively seeking jobs, probably out of despair).

Trump's helping ALREADY (not taking a day off OR presidential pay) & NOT EVEN IN OFFICE yet!

As far as H1B?? I hope Trump kicks them out. I honestly do. They are OUR competition from faithless corporate globalist scumbags (who would shit on your in 1 second - Soros, after all, even LED HIS OWN JEW FAITHED PEOPLE into HITLER's grasp... think he won't do THAT to you too? Think again IF that level of thought is possible for you... His sociopath "I am a GOD", literally stating that (Christ/God complexes are one of the 1st signs of psychotic breaks) history tells much of him).

APK

P.S.=> Don't worry though - perhaps Mr. Trump will leave the scumbag bitches on WELFARE lone (you know - the ones who make 10 kids w/ 10 different 'fathers' (that take off no less) for making a paycheck property owners pay for))... apk

Re:Temps, staffing firms, 30 hour working 40-50?,

[organgtool]

Many of the warehouse jobs are part-time and they hire tons of temps over the holiday season to avoid having to pay overtime to the part-timers. I spoke with a friend that works part-time in one of their warehouses and he said that he got fewer hours over the holiday season than last year because of the number of temps that they hired. So the number of workers will go up but the hours of the existing workers could potentially decline.

SO many missed opportunities there...

[Thud457]

Strange, it appears from a cursory search that Amazon doesn't sell live hornets.

Re:SO many missed opportunities there...

[Hognoxious]

They do bobcats. Hang on, maybe that's eBay?

only one reason amazon is doing this

[Anonymous Coward]

They are sucking off trump.

Companies are quickly learning the best way to get trumps rocks off is to announce new jobs then let trump claim credit for it.

Obama's results suck... apk

[Anonymous Coward]

See subject: There's no doubting it & the FOOL wants to start war w/ Russia? DUMB! Let that idiot go fight it himself then... ever been shot at, batted upside the head, or stabbed in a life or death fight? I have... it's NOT fucking fun.

China globalism ushered in with Kissinger the scumbag globalist (Bush sr. as ambassador @ the time iirc no less) IS the REAL enemy here people... why? Desperation.

China's NOT 'evil', they're just men too but... they're attempting to CONSTRAIN MAN HIMSELF, almost like the Forbin project (our nature will eventually rebel as this is contrary to it) w/ 1 child per home etc. & polluting the hell out of the lands they have thru "hooking them" on western philosophy of materialism vs. their traditional admiration of ancestors & family etc.!

(& young chinese dudes have what? 1 woman per 100, largely due to manchild = more value from ages past etc.) -

It's unnatural so they NEED to get more land & yes, women... who is next door w/ beautiful ones? Russia... plenty of land & resources too... not good.

People DIE in wars. Good folks. Iron Mountain initiative of depopulation in 1 stroke too (look it up if you're not aware of it)... so they can get rid of CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLICS (which are in the way of the globalist/imf-rothchild initiative... & so are we as United States).

* Think that's not how it REALLY is? If so, look into some of what I just stated, & think again...

APK

P.S.=> As far as Mr. Trump? He's doing a hell of a job. You can TRY 'write it off' & credit YoBama (bullshit) like you are, but I don't see HIM doing what trump is actually EFFECTING CHANGE, himself... not his 'expert panel' of political cronies/sycophants/yesmen fronts for bankers initiatives I noted above (Trump does, for zero pay & not taking a day off either BEFORE he's in the job)... apk