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Windows 10 Upgrade Bug Disabled Cntrl-C In Bash (infoworld.com)
An anonymous reader quotes InfoWorld:
A massive set of changes to the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) was rolled into Windows Insider build 15002... If this is any hint, Microsoft's goal is nothing short of making it a credible alternative to other Linux distributions... Some of the fixes also implement functionality that wasn't available before to Linux apps in WSL, such as support for kernel memory overcommit and previously omitted network stack options. Other changes enhance integration between WSL and the rest of Windows...
[O]ne major issue in build 15002 is that Ctrl-C in a Bash session no longer works. Microsoft provided an uncommon level of detail for how this bug crept in, saying it had to do with synchronization between the Windows and Bash development teams. The next Insider build should have a fix. But for people doing serious work with Linux command-line apps, not having Ctrl-C is a little like driving a car when only the front brakes work.
[O]ne major issue in build 15002 is that Ctrl-C in a Bash session no longer works. Microsoft provided an uncommon level of detail for how this bug crept in, saying it had to do with synchronization between the Windows and Bash development teams. The next Insider build should have a fix. But for people doing serious work with Linux command-line apps, not having Ctrl-C is a little like driving a car when only the front brakes work.
But for people doing serious work with Linux command-line apps
...we use a Linux operating system.
Who spells it with an N?
Put my fist through my alarm clock with its ding-dong death inside my ear. - The Blackjacks.
Microsoft will be porting emacs hotkeys to MS Word and vi hot keys to excel.
From the fine article
"Run Linux tools that require CTRL + C to terminate in a separate Bash console session; these individual bash consoles can then be closed when needed without disrupting your interactive bash consoles"
Windows style advice.
breaking BREAK badly
the last three windows 10 systems i've seen, all brand new or nearly new with factory loads ('signature' edition windows, so no bloat, just "pure windows"), fail miserably on windows updates. have had to use the fixit to hide the 1607 upgrade on all three.
the worst offender of the bunch downloaded the entire multi-gigabyte update over FORTY times in three weeks attempting to install it... on a cellular (jetpack hotspot) connection. and the owners wondered why the fuck their pc and internet was so slow or 'didn't work'.. just wait until they get their data overage bill. rural area, only other choice is satellite, which would be just as bad.. perhaps worse, because the wired connection from the satellite 'modem' could not be set to 'metered' - which i made sure is now set on their pc.
Computers running OSX have substantial developer mindshare. Microsoft wants those developers using Windows PCs. Putting WSL/Bash on Windows so that it's a credible alternative to the 'nix tools available on OSX gives those developers one less reason to avoid using a Windows based OS.
With Apple not really doing much with macOS, I would say Apple is Apple's biggest enemy in this department. Every other mainstream operating system has a tier 1 hypervisor available (Windows has Hyper-V, Linux has Xen and KVM.) I'm sorry, but VMWare, VirtualBox, or Parallels don't really count.
done that.
This is a lot of flip out for a Windows Insider build brah
It isn't an "upgrade bug" as the upgrade isn't slated for release for months.The build in question has only been released to the fast ring for Insider testing. In other words, it's only been given to those on the extreme bleeding edgeof Windows testing.Is Slashdot going to start posting articles for every minor issue in Chrome canary releases also?
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Yeah, that sounds like a success story.
As their revenue dwindles let this be a lesson.
Microsoft revenue has grown in a more or less linear fashion since the 90s. Doesn't stop idiots from announcing their imminent doom for over 25 years.
lucm, indeed.
People doing "serious work" should not be using Insider Preview Builds.
So MS wants no more Linux clients for administration, so Linux becomes solely a server/CLI environment, and to allow Linux tools to easily leverage Windows components and possibly come to depend on them?
Sure shortsightedly it is more options to help people get work done, but I'm talking about long term here.
Twinstiq, game news
Hell, I've driven a car whose brake master cylinder was leaking and I had to go 30 miles with only one or two good pumps of the pedal left.
I also had a broken Windows 95 beta that required me to manually kill msgsrv32.exe as I logged-in otherwise the whole box would be inoperable in a few seconds.
Neither experience was especially pleasurable or calming.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
How are these people thinking they are qualified to write an OS-like subsystem, let alone a full OS?
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Bingo. We have a winner.
Microsoft is pushing hard for Windows lap-tops to no longer be shitty (eg: trackpad), and they're pushing Linux on Windows (until these updates are released its not really useful: it's missing important stuff such as file watching, etc).
Once this is all in, it's going to be in pretty good shape. Just missing a few things like an Alfred alternative that doesn't suck, but that's not as important.
Computers running OSX have substantial developer mindshare.
Macbooks correspond to roughly 7% of the pc market, and yet OSX only corresponds to 3% of the o/s market. Guess what more than half of the Macbooks are running.
In any event, be it 3% or 7%, that's the entire market, not just developers. I don't know what "substantial" means to you but for Microsoft it's a drop in the ocean.
lucm, indeed.
We could make one, I won't but you know...someone.
Cortana, interrupt the foreground job.
No Cortana, not the terminal emulator. The job in the current shell IN the emulator.
Don't do that Cortana. Nope.
Cortana, run a search of pids and kill [runaway_exec] with SIGINT. Nope, SIGTERM, please. If that doesn't work, SIGKILL.
Please Cortana, don't kill the code editor.
F**king b*tch!!! [chair thrown]
Pretty good shape for what? I can download Ubuntu and throw it on a box for, well, the cost of the machine (and I've got several lying around). If I want to move data around I've got everything from Samba to ssh copying, and even NFS. What is it exactly that running Ubuntu under Windows grants me? As it stands, at the moment, I'd be pretty buggered with this update. Microsoft's QA on their own products has gone down the crapper, why would I want the same level of incompetence responsible for my BASH session?
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Really not a big deal. With weight transfer, the harder you brake, the larger share of the stopping is done by the front wheels anyway.
I disabled the rear brake on my race bike. As did many other racers. Sure, the needs of street vehicles is different, but in most circumstances, front brakes only is adequate.
Lemmings are silly; dinosaurs are extinct.
In a car, the front brakes do 75% of the work. Often people with malfunctioning rear brakes don't even know they have a problem.
Macbooks correspond to roughly 7% of the pc market, and yet OSX only corresponds to 3% of the o/s market. Guess what more than half of the Macbooks are running.
In any event, be it 3% or 7%, that's the entire market, not just developers. I don't know what "substantial" means to you but for Microsoft it's a drop in the ocean.
You SERIOUSLY think that over half of all MacBooks are running Linux as their primary OS? Let me guess, a Trump supporter.
The only thing worse than a Democrat is a Republican.
Seeing as how the front brakes provide most of the breaking action on every vehicle - what's your point?
Microsoft doesn't have File watching?
If you agree to the EULA, you give them ability to watch everything
“your typed and handwritten words are collected,”
In 20 years, I've had exactly one occasion to run Linux stuff on Windows. I've had one other program I ran on Windows, that I can recall.
We have a framework on Linux, written mostly in Perl, which runs hundreds of small tools. We wanted to add a specific Windows-only tool to our system. So the g framework is installed under Cygwin on a few machines to run that one Windows tool.
There was a nice comment by the writers of "Silicon Valley" about attending TechCrunch Disrupt and seeing a sea of Macbooks. The *perception* is that the majority of top startup developers are all Mac OSX users. Microsoft wants to change that. To Surface Books if possible, but wouldn't give a rats if they were running ThinkPads, Dells, HPs or whatever running Windows OS. If Microsoft can get some of that that TechCrunch Disrupt audience to shift across, they change the perception of Microsoft in a very important demographic. Maybe they get a few more of that audience using Azure over AWS. Maybe a few of them start using other Microsoft services where it makes sense, rather than the default perceived attitude of that audience being to avoid MS products like the plague.
Which is amazing considering that a few years ago, 98% of people used their flagship product, Windows, while now only 38% of people do (Netcraft, 2016). They've done a really good job pivoting to maintain revenue while customers have dumped their traditional products en masse.
If Microsoft isn't 100% interested in supporting this environment, it's going to fall apart really fast.
Combined with automatic (forced) updates and all of that hoopla, it seems like a tower of shit waiting to fall over. If and when Microsoft decides it's no longer worth their time and effort to fully support WSL, bugs like these are going to creep up and take months or years to fix, assuming they ever get fixed.
I fail to see how or why you'd want to use WSL over something like a proper VM that you can maintain indefinitely, and is essentially immune to updates on the host OS (providing those updates don't mess around with the hypervisor). Yeah, it's convenient, but the possibility for getting burned here is tremendous.
Which is amazing considering that a few years ago, 98% of people used their flagship product, Windows, while now only 38% of people do (Netcraft, 2016). They've done a really good job pivoting to maintain revenue while customers have dumped their traditional products en masse.
What kind of numbers are those? Please provide a link.
As far as I know, Netcraft only monitors web servers and there's just no way IIS ever had a 98% market share. Even with Azure going full blast it would never go anywhere near that, especially since a lot of Azure customers run Linux.
lucm, indeed.
Pretty good shape for being used. If most of your programs require Windows and you just like having a bash shell around, there's no point in doing it backwards with Windows in a VM under Linux. Especially when functionality then breaks all the time (much more frequently than Windows) or just doesn't work at all. Most people have better things to do than constantly fixing audio, dual-screen problems or hunting down specific hardware revisions that work consistently.
Linux as a desktop has gone downhill drastically, it's actually worse than it was 10 years ago. I say this as someone who exclusively used Linux from ~1997 to 2008 as a desktop environment. Now I just use the best of both worlds, a Mac.
First, startups are a thing of the past. Funding has dried up and acquisitions are no longer a thing. I wouldn't be surprised to see Macbooks sinking further with them, like a bad memento of a mad era.
Second, as much as I respect Microsoft for their magnificent business skills, working with Azure on a daily basis is truly horrible. The whole portal reminds me of a demented SharePoint, it feels like something that has been designed by many teams that hate each other, and the price premium over AWS just doesn't reflect any added value. Deployment is clunky, plans and tiers and services are confusing, and the whole multi-subscription model is just retarded. It doesn't feel like there's a clear direction or leadership in that part of the business, although they are basically printing money.
lucm, indeed.
Or I can just open multiple SSH sessions and not have to rely on Microsoft at all. I'm sorry, it's clear they have a substandard product, and if you're using this Ubuntu-on-Windows, by this bug alone, you're using an inferior technology. I have no idea what your complaints about drivers are about, since I haven't any of the issues you claim. My guess is you're just another MS shill, but now that the official message is "Ubuntu is good so long is it is running under Windows", your messaging has to adjust.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
will remap the interrupt key to any thing you want. Try using DEL, as it was mapped on some Unix systems. It was only changed to ctrl-C to make it easier for DOS users moving to Linux.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
But now you can develop in Notepad++ (or any Windows editing application) and run the Bash shell. There's also been strides to get an entire Linux GUI running under Windows. https://www.bing.com/search?q=...
I think it's a joke, "Netcraft confirms it" is a meme around here. But the number is right, Windows has been surpassed by Android. StatCounter confirms it.
Circumcision is child abuse.
Had I been more clever, I would have worked in a Netcraft joke and made it funny. Instead, I just accidentally typed Netcraft when I meant to type Statcounter.
I'm sure others have come up with slightly different numbers, but the point stands regardless. MS has gone from complete monopoly, what everyone used, to a minority - their market share of current *sales* is even less than the 38% statcounter shows. Yet they've managed to maintain and even grow revenue. Of course some of that is the fact that they actually make money on every Android device sold. :)
The front brakes provide MOST of the braking power that stops a vehicle, dumbass! You could easily drive a car with only front brakes and barely notice a difference from normal.
A car with only back brakes (eg. trying stopping using only the e-brake). Yeah, that would significantly affect the performance.
WSL is better than cygwin. It is a lot faster and it has apt-get instead of that dreadful install wizard that cygwin has.
However, the console in windows is stuck in the 80's. It is the same DOS command prompt that we saw in windows 3.1. The terminal emulators in linux or macOS support multiple tabs, text selection that reaches the end of the line instead of a rectangular shape, split panes, your default directory is your home directory.
Now someone will raise their hand and say "PowerShell ISE". It looks promising, but at this point it is unusable because console programs cannot read input in PowerShell ISE
Until they have a console from this century, WSL is worth using only when you don't have linux or macOS available.
This is Insider Preview fast ring build, if you run this on a production machine it's your own damn fault.
What, doesn't ctrl-z; kill %1 work? What's the point?
Actually, if you were forced to pick... you're better off if your front brakes are functional. Remember, rolling friction is greater than sliding friction.
#DeleteChrome
What is it exactly that running Ubuntu under Windows grants me?
For you: probably nothing.
For me: I now can have basic unix tools in my work machine without having to fight against cygwin. The work machine needs to be a windows because we have some programs that don't run under anything else.
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> I think I'm gonna increase my MSFT position just in case.
Best of luck with that. I've always done mutual funds instead of trying to pick. I often discussed this with my best friend, who would always pick stocks. One day, in early 2008, he told me that rather than picking one company he had made a can't-lose buy: both Intel and AMD. Being the only two processor manufacturers with any significant market share, one of them would have to do well! Of course that was just about the time Android was released and most processor sales started to be ARM devices, neither Intel nor AMD.
Never done that, but driven plenty without front brakes at all.
Can you hear the drums Fernando?
QA.
You SERIOUSLY think that over half of all MacBooks are running Linux as their primary OS? Let me guess, a Trump supporter.
They were obviously alluding to Windows being the dominant OS.
I know for myself, and many others at the companies I have worked for -- THere are a signifcant number of people who use Macbooks, but run Windows on them. As I type here, It's a macbook Pro Running Windows 10.
The hardware runs Windows significantly better than any natively developed Windows notebook. Probably becasue drivers can be written to only a single known configuration and that can be optimized.
WHen running multiple VMs, and IDEs on Windows on Macbook Pro hardware -- it simply outclasses the same setup on alternatives.
But either way, at our office, more than half (500+ users) all run Windows as their primary OS on the Macbooks. Most workers don't know that they can even boot into Mac OSX (minimally sized partition, as even the Engineers don't even boot into OSX)
Once I installed Windows 7 on a Macbook Pro -- I never went back to Windows-first hardware.
1. Buy MacBook
2. Install Windows.
3. Have a kick ass windows box for development and gaming.-
It's been a while since I've been able to break out the old motto.
Next step: Extend!
Microsoft has been working quite hard to make windows a good development platform for linux. Between WSL and the changes to Visual Studio it has gotten pretty easy to do writing, compiling and debugging of linux software from windows.
For me this is really important since linux has never run well on this laptop. I have optimus which means I have a dedicated gpu + integrated gpu and with windows it seamlessly switches between them and everything works. Under linux there are commands to make one or the other run but it is not remotely seamless and it is really buggy. I have also run into problems with ubuntu and fedora where an update will sometimes break x entirely where the default output gets set to the device that is not activated and then having to deal with debugging that.
I also write C++ simulation software and I have found no better IDE that VisualStudio so far. With eclipse under linux once I upgraded to an SSD I sometimes had issues to compile multiple times to compile without errors about files not being found. If I compiled from the command line that never happened. Debugging is MUCH worse in eclipse vs visual studio. The worse thing though is profiling. I have no idea what happened to it on linux since I have done linux development for almost 20 years now and we used to have some of the best profilers out there but no it seems most of them just do a horrible job. Trying to profile a program that uses shared libraries in linux mostly ends up with no, poor or inconsistent results even when the program behavior is highly consistent. I ended up trying the proprietary vtune from intel and that worked great on linux and windows.
In the end it is easier to do development on windows where all the desktop type stuff works and get the software running completely correctly and debugged and then deploy it to linux servers, clusters, supercomputers etc for actual running. At this point I pretty much use windows for desktop work and linux for all the server work and the WSL system has made life much simpler.
Computer modeling for biotech drug manufacturing is HARD!
Ctrl-Z ... it's like that emergency brake handle between the seats.
I know for myself, and many others at the companies I have worked for -- THere are a signifcant number of people who use Macbooks, but run Windows on them. As I type here, It's a macbook Pro Running Windows 10.
The hardware runs Windows significantly better than any natively developed Windows notebook. Probably becasue drivers can be written to only a single known configuration and that can be optimized.
WHen running multiple VMs, and IDEs on Windows on Macbook Pro hardware -- it simply outclasses the same setup on alternatives.
But either way, at our office, more than half (500+ users) all run Windows as their primary OS on the Macbooks. Most workers don't know that they can even boot into Mac OSX (minimally sized partition, as even the Engineers don't even boot into OSX)
Once I installed Windows 7 on a Macbook Pro -- I never went back to Windows-first hardware.
1. Buy MacBook
2. Install Windows.
3. Have a kick ass windows box for development and gaming.-
Really? With the shit gfx cards apple insists on using?
And yes, I have a macbook for development, it's noticeably slower than my 7 year old Lenovo w/ crap Intel gfx running bloated KDE; even though the mac is 3 years newer.
"Probably becasue drivers can be written to only a single known configuration and that can be optimized."
For that to be true either Microsoft is writing the drivers to specifically target Macs in some way, or all the vendors of the hardware found in Macs are doing so. I am not sure either are particularly likely.
Speaking of SharePoint...
If your users didn't hate each other, you wouldn't need SharePoint in the first place. At a fundamental level, SharePoint is really not about technology. It is about enforcing HR policy for HR. SharePoint is an attempt at a technological solution to a behavioral problem. That problem is people creating bullshit root level folders wherever they want and pointing people there "for now".
If your users were trustable and educated. You could use git for version control instead of Word track changes. Your users are not trustable. They are lying, lazy, reality challenged self aggrandizing, self perceived feudal warlords vying for control of the folders. They then wonder why access privs are AFU and legal wants the last three months or backups audited to remove the sketchy stuff. An oral request, of course.
So you chose to endanger the lives of everyone along that stretch. You are bad person.
Also, don't drive a car with bad brakes.
I'll fix it: "But for people doing serious work with Linux command-line apps, not having Ctrl-C is a little like driving a car when only the front brakes work...and you have to type out the entire car stop command by hand on a keyboard one key at a time."
So none of those Android phone users have a desktop or a laptop? They very likely do. And according to StatCounter there's still a 85%+ chance that they're running Windows. That number hasn't changed appreciably and depends more on the ebb and flow of Mac adoption from between 5% and 10%.
Microsoft revenue has grown in a more or less linear fashion since the 90s
The reason being the growing number of people having access to a computer (China, India for instance).
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
Microsoft is pushing hard for Windows lap-tops to no longer be shitty (eg: trackpad)
Strange, I was convinced that Microsoft was the ones who pushed Lenovo the replace the trackbad on Thinkpads with the dreaded "clickpad" disaster that came around about the same time as Windows 8.
What is it exactly that running Ubuntu under Windows grants me?
The same as running X on Windows connected to a Linux machine: Being able to do your actual work[1], while keeping the corporate standard OUTLOOK open.
[1] for those who work on Linux, obviously.
Who do you think this was a bug?
They've been copying Apple since forever. It should not come as a surprise, when a few months after Apple gets rid of ESC, Microsoft gets rid of CTRL-C.
Except that the MacBooks are underpowered and any AAA title gamer will laugh in your face. Oh and have fun with your cables and docking ports.
I know astronomers DO book OSX and THAT is why they have a MacBook - for software that only runs no that platform... but your assertion that MacBooks are powerhouses is ridiculous.
I give your company 6 months until shutdown, at most.
I honestly cannot figure out how to respond to this. The very nature of this post describes why Linux as a whole faces severe challenges in adoption in not only the world of the desktop, but also in the server market as well. You know what? You call bullshit on alpha level code (insider fast builds are 'alpha' builds...and outside of Windows insiders, no party has received these builds) and I call bullshit on Linux in general. I am DONE with Linux as of now. The community is far too elitist for me to deal with. To this day Windows runs better on all my hardware than Linux does. I only supported Linux for it's principle and it's freedoms. Let's be honest here, my Macbook Pro runs Windows better than it runs Linux. I am more than happy to support open source to the end, but posts like this show me exactly where Linux is failing...it's user base. Windows + Ubuntu alone will claim year of the desktop. No other. I'm sure that some poor idiot will claim victory out there...but the only victors here are Ubuntu and Microsoft. No other.
Ctrl-Z
kill %1
People doing serious work don't use insider preview builds...
Is an insider release not the equivalent of an alpha or beta release?
I've used plenty of Linux alpha and beta distros with some pretty big bugs.
Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
Microsoft wants those developers using Windows PCs. Putting WSL/Bash on Windows so that it's a credible alternative to the 'nix tools available on OSX gives those developers one less reason to avoid using a Windows based OS.
Except it isn't a credible alternative, because microsoft does stuff like breaking break. Why would you use that garbage over cygwin if what you're trying to get is development tools?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
WHen running multiple VMs, and IDEs on Windows on Macbook Pro hardware -- it simply outclasses the same setup on alternatives.
[citation needed]
Apples are made out of the same chipsets as everyone else's PCs. There's no reason why they would be better at anything, especially since they are usually made with last year's hardware.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
If you know what CTRL-C and bash are, you don't need a car analogy.
But for people doing serious work with Linux command-line apps, not having Ctrl-C is a little like driving a car when only the front brakes work.
Shows how little the person who wrote the article knows about clipboards in linux.
Most xterm and clones use mostly emacs like syntax. control-insert for copy and shift-insert for paste. X11 systems use middle mouse click to paste sections highlighted with the mouse. Cygwin - mintty supports control-insert and shift-insert.
In the console window spawned by cmd if you edit and enable quick-edit mode, "ENTER" is copy and right mouse click is paste.
I work in a mixture of all three windows on my desktop simultaneously. I use window bg color to remind me what kind of console I'm working on to do the right copy-paste. But in none of these systems control-c is used for copy.
Only in MS-windows-GUI control-c is used for copy. Looks like the author's knowledge about control-c is based on hearsay.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Breaking break is a known bug in a beta release. It's not in any production release.
Lots of things don't run on Cygwin that do run on Ubuntu/WSL. And Ubuntu/WSL is more like Ubuntu than Cygwin is.
You mean Apple's Hypervisor API?
A lot of neckbeards will raise their noses to this but ALL the Linux developers I know are switching to the WSL to do their work. Mac laptops used to be the big "just works" unix, but Apple has lost its way and Microsoft is where its at due to superior hardware and superior bug fixing. Legacy linux distributions like red hat and ubuntu have maybe a year or two left of momentum with a small niche of developers who insist on "real" linux but the endless hassles with shitty software like PulseAudio, GNOME, SystemD and Wayland have driven all but the most zealous Stallman-tards away.
The work^H^H^H^Hvirtual machine needs to be a windows because we have some programs that don't run under anything else.
FTFY
CLI paste? paste.pr0.tips!
The framework isn't *just* a Perl, it was written for Linux. It checks /proc/cpuinfo, for example. Actually in some cases it uses *nix stuff where it should be using Perl. The other day I fixed this bit of "Perl":
$now = `date -s`;
Uhm, you mean this?
$now = time();
Lol.
People seem to think front brakes are dangerous--especially on motorcycles. This is such a common belief that some people disable the front brakes entirely; there was even a safety campaign to do that.
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> you can go all the way from the top, to the bottom of the heap of irrelevancy
That metaphor seems to have gotten away from you - since that's the exact OPPOSITE of what happened to them these past few years. They were not irrelevant at all (at the bottom of the heap of irrelevancy) and now they are (putting them at the top).
Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
Quality Assured!
captcha: naively
Of course, I could just run Ubuntu, and then it would be completely like Ubuntu.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Melodramatic much?
"3. Have a kick ass windows box for development and gaming.-"
Surely anyone that would recommend the 3 things that you suggested — incurring the cost of a MacBook, without getting the benefit of (good) Unix-like OS — does help-desk support, not actual programming.
Ya.. the "sea of a billion drivers to support" issue is also just as good on a Dell where they work closely enough with MS to have the same universal driver support. There are some aspects of Mac Hardware I would like better (weight and battery life being the biggest) but that is secondary to the flexibility / upgradability / ports / "real" docking station / etc that I get with my Dell hardware.
Are you reading Netcraft? The company which looks at web servers and shows MSFT is currently at 45%? The same MSFT that previously had the following numbers:
2016: 45%
2015: 26%
2014: 29%
2013: 28%
2012: 17%
2011: 14%
Yeah they are really struggling in the server / corporate / people with a shitload of money department.
The front brakes on a car provide most of the stopping force when a car is moving forward due to the forward weight transfer as the brakes are applied. A number of cars are designed with disc brakes up front and only drums (less effective) in the rear.
The loss of Ctrl-C seems more analogous to the loss of the front brakes, not the rear brakes.
Bash on windows is useless without networking support. I bound a port in python. Where's it bound? Let's check ifconfig... I have no interfaces? What the hell is this? Not a useful linux environment.
I disabled the rear brake on my race bike. As did many other racers.
Define "race bike". As a former roadracer and keen observer of same for decades from the club level to MotoGP I can tell you emphatically and with authority this is *never* done, and in fact is against the rules for good reason. Other genres of motorcycle racing may allow it, but not there.
"I don't shoot my mouth off without knowing what I'm talking about" - by raymorris (2726007) on Thursday December 31, 2015 @09:29AM (#51215379)
Raymorris you shoot your mouth off f'ing up in 2 security fuckups https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5351503&cid=47379233/ & https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5351503&cid=47374033/ + raymorris = scriptkiddie https://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8895203&cid=51726265/
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Tell us how ONLY 'newer script kiddie tools' have stringlength built in (when PASCAL had it for ages - my fav tool) https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8472509&cid=51114383/ YOU BLUNDERING WANNABE!
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P.S.=> You like to talk behind others' backs like the gossiping bitch TROLL you are raymorris https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9880997&cid=53312265/ well, here I am letting YOU TALK in those links, showing your FAILS wannabe ... apk
"I don't shoot my mouth off without knowing what I'm talking about" - by raymorris (2726007) on Thursday December 31, 2015 @09:29AM (#51215379)
Raymorris you shoot your mouth off f'ing up in 2 security fuckups https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5351503&cid=47379233/ & https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5351503&cid=47374033/ + raymorris = scriptkiddie https://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8895203&cid=51726265/
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Tell us how ONLY 'newer script kiddie tools' have stringlength built in (when PASCAL had it for ages - my fav tool) https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8472509&cid=51114383/ YOU BLUNDERING WANNABE!
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P.S.=> You like to talk behind others' backs like the gossiping bitch TROLL you are raymorris https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9880997&cid=53312265/ well, here I am letting YOU TALK in those links, showing your FAILS wannabe ... apk
It is most definitely a joke. The problem with posting something insightful and a joke in the same post is that one of the two moderation attributes gets drowned out by the other. OTOH maybe I don't want to live in a world where people only recognise jokes when they're marked as such.
- That was a joke citizen; permission to laugh granted.
- Initiating laughter. Laughter engaged. Ha ha ha.
My dashcam caught video of a motorcyclist running into a car that he might have avoided had he used the front brakes instead of locking up the rear wheel.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Microsoft revenue has grown in a more or less linear fashion since the 90s
The reason being the growing number of people having access to a computer (China, India for instance).
No, the split between US and foreign markets revenue has been roughly the same for many years (almost 50/50). If anything, foreign revenue went down a bit recently because of the generalized suspicions toward US companies, thanks to the NSA.
lucm, indeed.
Whatever hardware you use, the best host OS for your virtual machines is probably Linux, and the fastest-performing PC you can run it upon is never an Apple, not even if we're talking only about pure turnkey machines that you can just order on the internet for a set price.
I admire their case design, and their ability to use it as a prybar which separates people from money. Their OS is pretty nice, although it offers too little configurability to make me happy even when coupled with third party tools.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
The target audience is developers where windows is their primary platform, but like everyone we use some Linux tools. Windows ports of Linux programs all feel like ports and some (looking at you Couchbase) randomly spike CPU and drive me crazy.
Why not in a vm? It's an option. But my machine only has 16 gb of ram. I dedicate 8 to my windows dev vm. I could afford a couple for another vm. But what should I run? A coreOS vm to run docker containers? A centos vm to match our postgresql host? Rhel for the weird government product we offer?
Lots of vms gets taxing on resources quickly
WSL as a whole is a beta product. You can only run it in windows 10, not on any windows server versions
Insider builds are even more beta
This was caught.... but some one person decided this wasn't enough of an issue to kill off this insider build. Annoying given the coverage this has gotten. Maybe they just wanted to get the syscalls postgresql needs out asap, who knows
You can run redis in bash on windows. You can't do that in Cygwin. It's being able to run any Linux binary, not just the GNU tools like awk, grep, etc.
You don't believe? Take that to the bank, then.
In other words, those who work in a business end up behaving like the business they are in. For years we've been told that capitalism creates improvement through competition and rewards those who win the competition. Are you, then, surprized that this is not only true of businesses relative to each other but of individuals within a business towards one another ?
Getting promoted means being perceived as better than the next guy - this doesn't *just* reward working to the best of your ability, it also greatly rewards successfully undermining your colleagues (as long as you can do so without being caught out).
Businesses try very hard to counter this with team-building exercises and the like - trying to turn their workers into an obedient hivemind and strip from every one of them their self-interest in a desperate attempt to protect themselves from this internal form of the tragedy of the commons. The severity of the threat is clearly discernible from the way they persist in this, at great cost, despite overwhelming evidence that these things achieve absolutely nothing (and the fact that this evidence has been available for decades and only gotten stronger and more corroborated over time).
It's much like the cubicle/open-plan thing. There is overwhelming proof that open-plan office designs reduce worker productivity. It is simply the worst possible way to lay out an office - so why does every company persist in it ? Because trying to break down the individualism of staff is worth more to them than the lost productivity. You need to feel like a rat in a maze, to turn you into a cog in the machine - a less productive cog is better than a worker that questions the corporate dogma.
Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
You can run redis in bash on windows. You can't do that in Cygwin. It's being able to run any Linux binary, not just the GNU tools like awk, grep, etc.
No, no it is not. There's loads that won't run in it. Also, why would you run redis in the Linux subsystem? They have a Windows build.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Heheh, good luck with that.