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Windows 10 Gets A New Linux: openSUSE (fossbytes.com)
An anonymous reader writes:
"Running Linux binaries natively on Windows... that sounds awesome indeed," writes Hannes Kuhnemund, the senior product manager for SUSE Linux Enterprise. He's written a blog post describing how to run openSUSE Leap 42.2 and SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12 SP2 on Windows 10, according to Fossbytes, which reports that currently users have two options -- openSUSE Leap 42.2 and SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12 SP2. Currently it's Ubuntu that's enabled by default in the Windows Subsystem for Linux, although there's already a project on GitHub that also lets you install Arch Linux. "It's quite unfortunate that Microsoft enabled the wrong Linux (that's my personal opinion) by default within the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL)," writes Kuhnemund, "and it is time to change it to the real stuff.
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What's so awesome about getting all of the disadvantages of Windows with none of the benefits of Linux in order to run less user-friendly applications from Linux? Using Wine on Linux is much better for development and there are hardly any other use-cases.
"It's quite unfortunate that Microsoft enabled the wrong Linux (that's my personal opinion) by default within the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL)," writes Kuhnemund, "and it is time to change it to the real stuff."
Running Windows binaries on Linux would be far more useful but very little effort seems to be devoted to that from the major Linux players.
Running Linux binaries natively on Windows... that sounds awesome indeed
Sounds horrible to me. Why bother?
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Why run Windows in the first place? I am an Agile transformation coach, and I work in large organizations, and I always wonder, Why, if they are deploying on RHEL, are their developers writing code on Windows laptops? The problems that result are endless. And the solution is simple: either (1) run real Linux in an VM; or (2) run Linux natively. #1 will satisfy enterprise access to email, etc. The solutions are already here. Trying to cram Linux into the Windows kernel seems bizarre to me. What do others think?
If SUSE is the real stuff, why are more real people running Ubuntu? Linux binaries running in Windows does not help me because I don't run Windows. But for those who must use Windows, the ability to have access to all Linux programs is a good idea.
As to Windows binaries running in Linux, why assume it's up to Linux folks to make that happen? As Linux takes more market share, on servers and on the desktop, all software vendors will want to be where the action is. And THAT is the real stuff.
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It's quite unfortunate that Microsoft enabled the wrong Linux (that's my personal opinion) by default within the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL),
Coming from someone who must use windows at work, it's fortunate that they (MS) are doing this at all. This arrogance and public disagreement within the community is uncalled for.
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this functionality exists for multinationals governed by micromanagement and committee. companies that view changing their break room coffee with the same bureaucratic mentality as changing the mission statement. The ability to run Linux natively in Windows is the compromise insecure managers want to drive their "microsoft only" environment that crosses its T's and dots its I's of formal standards and compliance regulatory navel gazing. While it sounds wildly pointless to the average slashdotter, this "containerized" linux is exactly what the doctor ordered for companies that cant decide whether they want to enable emoji support in the office chat program without four or five rounds of meetings and an agenda signed by a director.
the only comfort you can take if your company does indeed decide to do this, is that while trading in your redhat licenses for whatever under-the-table credits Redmond is going to grease you with you can rest assured that thanks to high leadership turnover at your boat-without-a-sail megacompany youll eventually through the laws of statistical probability be gifted a manager that find Microsoft Linux on Windows to be just as insane as it sounds. the downside is that youll have to spend another year undoing this debacle.
Good people go to bed earlier.
All managed by a python script to download, install & switch whenever you want. https://github.com/RoliSoft/WSL-Distribution-Switcher
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So I'll assume it doesn't 100% work either ... as in no networking?
Somehow I doubt Microsoft will make one of those any time soon.
Crappy tablets?? Surface Pro 3 and 4 RULES!
Linux on Windows is part of Microsoft's 3-E strategy. If they can stunt the growth of Linux as an OS by co-opting Linux applications to run on Windows, they may eventually succeed in cutting the heart out of FOSS altogether. And they would LOVE to do that, because FOSS is one of the few significant forces standing between them and the conversion of the whole world to a software-as-a-service model, wherein the average user doesn't own shit and has fuck-all in the way of rights, choice, or legal recourse.
Anybody who has a choice shouldn't run Windows, and certainly shouldn't run Linux applications on Windows. And anybody who MUST run Windows, should also run Linux, and use Windows ONLY for those things that absolutely require it.
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The more things change, the more they remain the same.
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I keep forgetting SUSE still exists.
Does anybody still use it, and how does it stack up against the other distro's?
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with all the downsides of Windows! This is what I want!
Will Windows be able to collect all my data from the programs run with the Suse binaries ("to improve my user experience")?
Why would you want to keep the truck around when you can jusr drive the Ferrari?
That comment is why people still laugh at Linux guys, well after wide adoption. You are like a bad caricature of RMS, who himself is a bad caricature of a communist extolling the virtues of the dialectic, and how the workers and peasants shall rise and inherit the earth.
The article says "Well, SUSE knows what they are doing because they have been in the Linux business since 1992. Try to find a Linux “vendor” (or in that sense, distributor) which is older. You won’t. There aren’t any." This is deceptive. SLS was the first linux distribution in 1992. Slackware was developed from that and released in 1993. The first SUSE distribution was a German translation of Slackware. Stating the obvious, Slackware is still around and is older. Then in 1996 Suse made their own distribution based on Jurix.
And by "broken" I mean not compatible to itself, and MS will insist that theirs is the correct one and the original should be fed to the dogs. This is the sad story of every "open" product support by MS: .Net
1. MS-Java was taken to court by Sun for not being compartible to Java. MS had to rename it to
2. MS implementation of open document standard is never 100% compatible with open document readers.
3. IE is not HTML compatible to this day. I don't do web development but based on my research they struggle with IE peculiarities big time
4. MS Linux is guaranteed to break everything Linux, not just because of lack of diligence but due to MS custom APIs, enhancements and "improvements". We are only safe until MS distro becomes the leading one.
Like WINE, but in reverse. And on the shitty OS The FOSS community is trying to get away from.
Putting insecure spyware under a robust secure O/S is effectively running a man in the middle attack against yourself. Why ???
Because trucks are way better than Ferraris when it comes to driving in mud and deep snow, hauling big things, etc.
If I understand it right, it's a GNU/Linux distro without a Linux kernel on top of a compatibility layer on Windows, right?
What should it be called? It's not exactly Linux, and we don't say that WINE is a Windows on Linux. It's also not only GNU.
Getting Linux to run under Windows is like paying a call girl to hold the Fleshlight for you.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
I'd imagine having a bunch of different distros embracing this Bash for Ubuntu Linux subsystem for Windows will lead to a lot of the bugs being ironed out.
Embrace, extend, extinguish. At least the New Microsoft (TM) is giving us what we want, though.
Come into my parlor, said the spider to the fly...
Embrace, Extend, EXTINGUISH!
Clearly this move is to insure Microsoft is able to data mine you/serve ads as you use Linux/Linux programs natively they don't want people dual booting, Cant data mine that way without breaking laws. that is all IMO
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He's written a blog post describing how to run openSUSE Leap 42.2 and SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12 SP2 on Windows 10, according to Fossbytes, which
reports that currently users have two options -- openSUSE Leap 42.2 and SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12 SP2.
So you can run openSUSE Leap 42.2 or SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12 SP2? But how do you choose which of openSUSE Leap 42.2 and SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12 SP2 to run?
openSUSE Leap 42.2 and SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12 SP2
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
Then you could use either ReactOS in your VM, or run Wine straight in your userspace.
And again there are also companies supporting *that*.
(e.g.: CrossOver pays developers)
So *there is* company-sponsored efforts to be able to run windows programs in a GNU/LInux or Android/Linux environment.
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If I understand it right, it's a GNU/Linux distro without a Linux kernel on top of a compatibility layer on Windows, right?
Yup, mostly(*).
So "GNU/Windows NT Kernel" is better than "Linux" - That actually one of the rare few occastion a typical "GNU/Linux" distro gets used without the Linux kernel part.
But because "Linux" has brand recognition, it's still used.
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(*): there's no separate compatibility layer (unlike things like Cygwin which are a user-mode compatibility layer that translates POSIX API-calls into Win32 calls - and thus enables soure compatibility).
The NT-Kernel has a bizare peculiarity : it can export several different ABI's to usermode software - it has different "personnalities".
- Win32 is just *one* of the set of ABI available.
- A long time ago, that made it possible to run OS/2 software on Windows NT.
- A little bit less longer time ago, Windows NT also had a "Unix" personality.
- Now WSL is actually the NT kernel exhibiting a small subset of the ABI featured by the linux kernel - about the bare minimum to get a few basic user-mode software (e,.g.: the "GNU" part of "GNU/Linux") run unmodified.
These are straight ABI available from the NT-Kernel, not a mere Linux-to-Win32 API conversion like Cygwin.
e.g.:
- Among other defaults Win32 has a poor multi-processing (forking is expensive). Cygwin application have to rely on that poorer cousin in order to provide multi-processing to POSIX.
- The recent kernels of Windows NT intoduced pico-thread which are very cheap, weren't available in the Win32 API back when introduced, but where exposed through the "Linux-lite" API that is WSL in order to make a usefull multiprocessing.
On the other hand WSL is far from complete. There is tons of stuff that you can do on your GNU/Linux that you can't do with WSL (e.g.: filesystem drivers)
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If you don't have and don't want to buy a windows license, either you use emulators like Wine and accept they emulate, not copy, or you don't have a Windows machine to run Linux binaries on, so the entire conversation is moot for you anyway, hence there's nowt to complain about.
Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one!
The thing is, in the Linux world, it seems like far too many advocates have 2 assholes. One that they use to dump their opinions on unsuspecting bystanders, and the other one that is useful.
I can't wait to see this error:
rm: The action can't be completed because the file is open in another program. Close the file and try again.
Why isn't Microsoft boosting that, instead?
Win XP, and certainly Win 7, is plenty good enough for another few decades if it is run under Linux and disallowed direct access to the internet.
Q: Is there a Linux distribution which targets this huge market directly (instead of via WINE)? If not, why not? If so, why isn't it better known?