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One in Five of Us May 'Hear' Flashes of Light (theguardian.com)

One in five people is affected by a synaesthesia-like phenomenon in which visual movements or flashes of light are "heard" as faint sounds, according to scientists. From a report on The Guardian: The findings suggest that far more people than initially thought experience some form of sensory cross-wiring -- which could explain the appeal of flashing musical baby toys and strobed lighting at raves. Elliot Freeman, a cognitive neuroscientist at City University and the study's lead author, said: "A lot of us go around having senses that we do not even recognise." More florid forms of synaesthesia, in which disparate sensory experiences are blended, are found in only about 2-4% of the population. To a synaesthete, the number seven might appear red, or the name Wesley might "taste" like boiled cabbage, for instance. The latest work -- only the second published on the phenomenon -- suggests that many more of us experience a less intrusive version of the condition in which visual movements or flashes are accompanied by an internal soundtrack of hums, buzzes or swooshes. Since movements are very frequently accompanied by sounds in everyday life, the effect is likely to be barely discernible.

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  1. Wesley? by drunken_boxer777 · · Score: 5, Funny

    the name Wesley might "taste" like boiled cabbage

    I am pretty sure the name Wesley tastes like a nice MLT, where the mutton is nice and lean.

    Or perhaps it tastes like iocaine powder if you are a Sicilian.

    1. Re:Wesley? by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      Okay, sorry for being pedantic, but if you're referencing a Sicillian and iocaine powder then you're talking about Westley, not Wesley. I know, I know, everyone who watches the movie hears it as Wesley, but that's not correct.

    2. Re:Wesley? by fedos · · Score: 2

      But iocaine powder has no taste.

    3. Re:Wesley? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Okay, sorry for being pedantic, but if you're referencing a Sicillian and iocaine powder then you're talking about Westley, not Wesley. I know, I know, everyone who watches the movie hears it as Wesley, but that's not correct.

      What are you talking about? We all know the exploits of the famous trio Wesley, Indigo, and Andre.

    4. Re:Wesley? by drainbramage · · Score: 1

      I would recognize it anywhere.

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    5. Re:Wesley? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      You have taught me something new today, I thank you. I had no idea the name was Westley.

      Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

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  2. Have it all the time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... but the other way around: when I'm in bed, in the absolute dark, and hear a sudden noise, I see it as a white flash that correlates very strongly with the noise intensity/position. And it's not only when I'm almost sleeping, it's enough just to be in a dark place but I started noticing it when lying in bed. Wonder if that's also common.

    1. Re:Have it all the time... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      I would think a neural "cross bleed" between any two senses is possible.

    2. Re:Have it all the time... by bmxeroh · · Score: 1

      Same deal. I would describe it as the flash and noise associated with a CRT being turned on, but far more jolting since it's all in my head.

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    3. Re: Have it all the time... by tsqr · · Score: 1

      You should have your optometrist check you for posterior vitreous detachment.

    4. Re:Have it all the time... by I4ko · · Score: 1

      Nope, the CRTs are pure noise. I can hear them operating even with my eyes closed and my back turned to them. I just have a significantly better high-frequency sensitivity than most people. The initial jolt is the electromagnets snapping into place when power is turned on, then the noise of them working is very distinct high frequency sound (for the horizontal deflectors).
      May be your high-frequency hearing is not that good but you still perceive the vibrations.

    5. Re:Have it all the time... by OtisSnerd · · Score: 1

      I've been having the same thing for decades. Loud sounds and noises flash my vision white, which was kind of a safety issue when I worked at a shipyard 40 years ago as a gantry/bridge crane mechanic. Knew it was synesthesia, but didn't realize how common it seems to be.

    6. Re:Have it all the time... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Um, what? Nothing's moving in your TV, Sparky...

      Um, yes it is. Even new TVs contain mechanical relays.

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    7. Re:Have it all the time... by radaos · · Score: 1

      Brighter scenes place greater demands on the power supply of a CRT. On older sets this can be heard as a buzzing sound, sometimes accompanied by picture distortion.

    8. Re:Have it all the time... by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      When I look directly into a bright light, I hear myself sneezing. Does that count, too?

    9. Re:Have it all the time... by qeveren · · Score: 1

      Yup, same here, although very subtly. Sudden noises cause the impression of a brief flash of light, and hilariously, bright light makes it harder for me to hear things. XD

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    10. Re:Have it all the time... by Ma�djeurtam · · Score: 1

      Same here. It occurs only when I'm falling asleep, I can see sudden noises. It's always blue, but it goes from light to dark blue: acute sounds are light blue, bass sounds are dark blue. The image always shows at the same place (pointing towards my noise) and has a form that reminds me of a lava lamp.

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  3. Re:Trump taste like... by TheGoodNamesWereGone · · Score: 2

    No, it's just you

  4. Re:Synesthesia by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 1

    What's new is how widespread it is RTFS

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  5. Raves by in10se · · Score: 5, Funny

    If they think some natural process "could explain the appeal of flashing musical baby toys and strobed lighting at raves", they don't know what's going on at raves.

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    1. Re:Raves by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      You just go to the wrong raves.

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    2. Re:Raves by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      What kind of rave doesn't have some form of flashing light, at least during the night?

  6. Re:Synesthesia by gnick · · Score: 4, Funny

    When I hear sirens, they're quite often accompanied by flashes of red and blue.

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  7. Re:Trump taste like... by silentcoder · · Score: 1

    I don't recall Yoko claiming she did a rimjob ...

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  8. baby toys by wjcofkc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or maybe it is the flashing musical baby toys that wires brains this way in the first place.

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  9. Not synesthesia-like. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This sounds pretty much like synesthesia outright.

  10. Colored numbers by worf_mo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To a synaesthete, the number seven might appear red

    I see each digit in a different color, and I've always thought that was the way for everyone. Only a few years ago - while reading "Born On A Blue Day" by Daniel Tammet - it occurred to me that this might not be the case.

    1. Re:Colored numbers by anwyn · · Score: 1

      This is a result of occult training in a past life.

    2. Re:Colored numbers by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Funny

      and LSD.

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    3. Re:Colored numbers by drew_kime · · Score: 2

      and LSD.

      "This shit will make you taste colors."

      Hmm, maybe it really will.

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    4. Re:Colored numbers by wept · · Score: 1

      didn't you think it was weird that no one else ever mentioned it?

    5. Re:Colored numbers by harperska · · Score: 2

      The thing about synesthesia (grapheme-color and chromesthesia synesthete here, so I speak from experience) is that the phenomenon feels so natural that you don't even think about other people not mentioning it in the same way you don't think about other people not going around talking about what the color red looks like all the time. When people don't mention something which feels natural to you, the first assumption most people have is that it must feel natural to others as well, not that they don't experience the thing in the first place.

    6. Re:Colored numbers by worf_mo · · Score: 1

      Exactly; it feels so natural that it never occurred to me that not everybody might experience numbers the same way. I have since talked about it to some family members, DW, and friends, and while nobody else seems to associate numbers and colors, my father "sees" digits distributed in space (higher/lower). He also had never talked about that to anyone before, because to him it seemed the way numbers are supposed to be seen.

    7. Re:Colored numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not just synesthesia, other forms of altered perception are easily not noticed by the sufferer. I was 32 before I realised I'm completely face blind! I can recognise someone at a distance by their gait and pose, the sound of their footsteps and voice etc, so it's not like I ever struggled with identifying people I know.
      I just assumed everyone else had trouble recognising people after a haircut, or change in clothes style...

    8. Re:Colored numbers by harperska · · Score: 1

      One small point of contention - you will find very few synesthetes who consider themselves to "suffer" due to the condition, or who would consider it to be a disorder. When non-synesthetes hear about synesthesia, they often say that they would find it odd or distracting. But in reality, it is not a matter of desensitization to a negative situation at all. Rather, due to the 'naturalness' of the sensation it generally ranges from neutral to actually pleasant where they would legitimately miss it if it was gone.

    9. Re:Colored numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I had a friend in high school who could "see" the color of every note on a piano. You could play a note and he'd tell you not only the note but the exact key you pressed (so the octave, too). He could even pick out all the notes in chords of 5 or 6 notes even if they were disharmonious and tell you the chord name (e.g. "That's a C# minor with an added A two octaves down and a B flat one octave down")

      I was soooo jealous. The thing that struck me was that his "colors" were consistent (for instance, C was always yellow) and that the colors of complimentary notes were complimentary colors. That's what convinced me it was some sort of wiring thing in his head.

  11. Flashbang Fireworks by T.E.D. · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder if this has implications for what kind of fireworks different people like. One of my favorites are the ones that are just a single quick very bright flash of light, followed by the explosion that you can feel as well as hear. My wife hates those.

    People with that condition would definitely "hear" something extra with those, moreso than with any other kind of firework. So that particular firework would be a totally different experience than it is for everyone else.

    1. Re:Flashbang Fireworks by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      I don't like noisy fireworks in general. I like the lights, I don't mind the vibrations, I don't like the sound; never understood why people would enjoy a harsh offensive sound that blasts their eardrums.

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  12. Re:Synesthesia by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

    The tfa suggest it is more common in musicians to hear motion and as someone with a degree in applied music... First I'm not clairvoyant although I can with good accuracy listen to a portion of a melody I've not heard before and complete it so long as it follows with music theory. I would not be surprised if anyone that loves music would be able to do the same to some degree especially if it's a new song from an artist that they listen to a lot.

    As far as motion goes yes I can anticipate the sound that accompanies it along with patterns of motion to follow for some things. It has to something I'm familiar with just like a big sports fan is likely to know what the next play in a football game will be.

  13. Another study? by nine-times · · Score: 2

    I don't remember exactly, and maybe someone will remember and have a link handy, but I think there was a recent study (in the past few years) that suggested that mild forms of synaesthesia might be extremely common, and in fact simply part of how human intelligence works.

    I think the suggestion was that there are various ways that we connect sense information naturally, and unavoidably. Red is hot. Blue is cold. Red tastes like cherries and green like sour apple. Odd numbers might seem sharp to you, while evens seem rounded. Someone yelling angrily at a certain pitch might conjure the feeling of running your hand the wrong way on a cheese grater. You might feel a tactile sense of pain when hearing finger nails on a chalkboard.

    Now someone is going to come forward and point out that many of these things might just be learned associations, which is true. I think the argument was that the ability to make these associations, as well as the ability to form and understand metaphors like "His voice was like rubbing your hand the wrong way on a cheese grater," implies that your brain is already capable of tying different kinds of sensory information together. Visual information can have a sound. Sounds can have colors. Colors can have tastes. What we call "synaesthesia" may just be an amplified version of this very common phenomenon.

    1. Re:Another study? by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      but I think there was a recent study (in the past few years) that suggested that mild forms of synaesthesia might be extremely common, and in fact simply part of how human intelligence works.

      Anecdotally, I was driving somewhere, listening to some music and a particular note seemed to have a taste. It was really weird. I have never experienced this before or after (or perhaps just never been consciously aware of it).

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  14. New senses? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    Elliot Freeman, a cognitive neuroscientist at City University and the study's lead author, said: "A lot of us go around having senses that we do not even recognise."

    It seems to me more like a short circuit between regions of the brain than a different sense. I wouldn't like to hear things that aren't there just because I'm seeing things. It's well known that there are substantial interactions between different regions of the brain, which is why for example we turn down the stereo while trying to find an address.

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    1. Re:New senses? by capntao · · Score: 1

      dunno about the rest of youse but i turn down the stereo when trying to find an address because i'm about to be looking around at everything but the road and i want to hear any changes in my environment, which is sort of the same thing, but includes the substantial interactions between my car and the rest of the world. i do get changes in audio from visual stimulation but i think some of that is also related to microadjustments of muscles in my ears, which i would guess are related to how the optic and audio systems have trained together over the years to know where to look when you hear a sound and know how best to focus on the sounds of what you're looking at

  15. Yep, definitely got this by cybervegan · · Score: 1

    I hear noises from animated gif's with impacts, explosions and so on, even machines clatter and clunk. I also get a ghost pain impression when seeing someone get hurt. I'm weird, I know, but maybe not quite as weird as I thought before...

  16. Re:Synesthesia by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    That's funny, when I see flashing red and blue lights I often hear people screaming in terror as I drive through the farmer's market.

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  17. Re:Ever "taste" metal outside mouth? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    I don't have taste buds in my anus.

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  18. Which City University and 20%? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

    Except for maybe Hong Kong, I'd suggest that the researcher's data skews towards people who abuse LSD.

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    1. Re:Which City University and 20%? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      I wrote that wrong (was in a hurry). If you have ever USED LSD, then due to the fact that it is fat soluble, you will one day abuse LSD, entirely by accident. I had meant to make it "have used" not "abuse"

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    2. Re:Which City University and 20%? by yarbo · · Score: 1

      According to Wikipedia, the half life is 3-5 hours, so your implication that you'll trip on a future occasion doesn't make sense. Citation needed.

    3. Re:Which City University and 20%? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      I would not trust Wikipedia for drug facts.

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    4. Re:Which City University and 20%? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1
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  19. Re:Synesthesia by Quirkz · · Score: 1

    I get that, too. Loud noise = white flash. I always assumed it was just my brain being so startled by the noise it stopped paying attention to visual input for a second. That's gotta be a poor survival instinct.

    I've noticed at art museums, as I stand and look at a paining, I often hear a kind of mild background hum, that seems to change depending on what work I'm looking at. I can tell it's in my head and don't think I'm intentionally doing it. Possibly it's something I notice there because art museums are kind of quiet places.

  20. Roddenberry was right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We would hear the Enterprise in a vacuum

  21. The Librarians anyone?? by laurencetux · · Score: 1

    the character "Cassandra Cillian" has a huge case of this (giving a good excuse for the Math Girl thinking FX)

  22. Re:Synesthesia by I4ko · · Score: 1

    Well, sound to me has a shape. When I hear sounds, I see something between an oscilloscope, frequency graph and something I could best describe as contrast function based on tempo, pitch and special orientation.

    Which is perhaps not at all that surprising. There are animals who "see" with active sonar, who is to say we don't have some genes that encode a rudimentary passive one. I am not claiming to be able to make any sense of it, but I can attribute a geometric shape to a sound, especially classical music.

  23. Sometimes... by moosehooey · · Score: 2

    Sometimes if I'm startled by a sharp noise, I also see a flash of light.

  24. Re:I was a raver by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

    if you couldn't hear the the light and taste colors then you were taking the wrong stuff....

  25. This explains the meteor mystery by MMORG · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When people see a bright meteor in the night sky, especially a fireball that leaves a glowing trail, it's pretty common for them to report that it was accompanied by a simultaneous sound of some sort, often a crackling noise. Those reports are frequent enough that we can't just dismiss them out of hand but no one has been able to propose a satisfactory explanation from a physics standpoint. If synaesthesia is actually common that would probably explain what's going on.

    1. Re:This explains the meteor mystery by adolf · · Score: 2

      I am one who hears meteors tear through the sky.

      It only happens when I actually see them, not for the vast majority of them that go unseen. And happens in both relatively bright ambient lighting (on a porch, in town, with the lights on) or relative darkness (out in the country somewhere).

      But I've never noticed an auditory response to other other visual stimuli.

    2. Re:This explains the meteor mystery by drunken_boxer777 · · Score: 1

      This is also true for the aurora borealis (northern lights). People report hearing sounds when watching them, but you can analyze the audio from video recordings and see that there is no sound. Or record audio only during an aurora borealis and play it back later: nothing.

    3. Re:This explains the meteor mystery by walterhpdx · · Score: 1

      I have to admit that, growing up in Alaska, whenever I was out away from the city and saw the aurora borealis, I could have sworn I heard them hum.

    4. Re:This explains the meteor mystery by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

      No one questions that there's a lot of noise at the meteor's surface. But that noise is originating sound-minutes away from the observer.

      We aren't wondering why there's noise; we're wondering why you hear it simultaneously as you see the meteor, instead of minutes later.

  26. People have a crude form of telepathy. by hey! · · Score: 1

    Not actual radio-like telepathy like in sci-fi stories, but an inbuilt capacity to actually experience what our brains think other people are experiencing.

    One of the classic experiments like this is to get a subject wearing goggles to identify with a mannequin. Of course this is artificially induced; we didn't evolve in a world with 3D goggles and cameras. But there is a condition called "mirror-touch synesthesia" in which this occurs naturally, in which people spontaneously experience what someone else is experiencing.

    The parallel element I see is the brain somehow generates a sensation without an appropriate physical input, and the phenomenon of mirror touch synesthesia suggests to me this isn't just a curious bug in our brain architecture. The 1.6% of people who report spontaneous mirror synesthesia also score higher than the general population on measures of empathy. I suspect it may also be linked in some way to our ability to learn by copying what others do.

    This is a really exciting time in neuroscience, and synesthesia seems like an interesting target for DIY brain hackers. Mirror-type synesthesia particularly so because it's easy to induce. The rubber hand illusion is probably the easiest dramatic effect to produce at home.

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    1. Re:People have a crude form of telepathy. by hey! · · Score: 1

      The link I provided was showing the adaptability of our sense perception mechanisms, which underlies mirror-touch synesthesia, which has nothing to do with adapting to tools other than it uses some of the same neural phenomena.

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  27. Every molecule is moving, every one. by drainbramage · · Score: 1

    Not a lot of CRT's left around to demonstrate this to people though.
    It's not just the horizontal and vertical deflection coils, the flyback transformer can be quite noisy.
    As these things age the varnish binding the coils can deteriorate allowing movement.
    The plates in the flyback transformer can suffer a similar fate.
    Hmmmmm.

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    1. Re:Every molecule is moving, every one. by I4ko · · Score: 1

      My thought exactly - moving wires due to varnish falloff and moving plates in the transformers and coils. It takes just an instant to "snap" to a location where the movement is no longer possible and only vibration takes place afterwards.

      It just struck me today - a CRT is like a CERN in your living room. It is much more complex than LED screen. I can still remember operating CRTs with their plastic covers off, so I can use a screw driver to turn the trimming resistors fix brightness, contrast, and individual saturation of each gun, and that without a colorimeter.

    2. Re:Every molecule is moving, every one. by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      I was just talking about mechanical noise in general, which you can still get from even a new TV when you switch on or off as relays click.

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  28. brain crosstalk by doug141 · · Score: 2

    Growing a human brain in a human skull causes folds. Folds cause crosstalk. Crosstalk causes synethesia and other personality traits.

    1. Re:brain crosstalk by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

      <MORBO>Brains do not work that way!</MORBO>

  29. Re:Synesthesia by zifn4b · · Score: 1

    I love how I got modded "Redundant". The irony is that was part of the point of my post is that this "news" itself is redundant and nothing new if anyone could be bothered to do real research. And of course, that flew right over someone's head and instead they got butt-hurt over it and resorted to retaliatory modding of my post. Very mature! I've been familiar with this subject matter for 15 years.

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  30. Re:Synesthesia by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    The type I have is that scents have color and texture. So I can describe a smell as dark red and dusty, or smooth and bright blue. I also sense them as sharp or dull or somewhere in between.

    I've never met anyone else who has this particular type of synesthesia and it's hard to explain.

  31. Summoners War by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1

    I play a mobile game called summoners war. In that game, a critical hit causes the image on the screen move/shrink in a way that I hear as a "thump".