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Thousands of Note 7 Phones Still in Use On Verizon, All Non-911 Calls To Be Rerouted To Customer Service (cnet.com)

Thousands of Verizon customers continue to use the Galaxy Note 7 smartphone, the carrier said. This despite the widely publicized recalls spurred by battery fire concerns and a software upgrade designed to kill the phone by preventing it from recharging. From a report: "In spite of our best efforts, there are still customers using the recalled phones who have not returned or exchanged their Note 7 to the point of purchase," a Verizon spokeswoman said. "The recalled Note 7s pose a safety risk to our customers and those around them." So now Verizon is fighting fire with fire, so to speak. The carrier plans to reroute all non-911 outgoing calls to its customer service line, and it might bill the holdouts for the full retail cost of the phone.

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  1. If you work at Verizon customer service by Jawnn · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...sucks to be you. I can feel the waves of hate already. It's as if millions of voices suddenly dialed out, and were silenced.

    1. Re:If you work at Verizon customer service by omnichad · · Score: 2

      They use them for LTE. All 3G/CDMA traffic is identified by hardware EMEI.

  2. Verizon is going to get in trouble by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have a coworker who's holding on to his Note 7. He's been staying on top of all of this. It appears that after a recall, a company cannot require nor continue requiring payment for a recalled device. Some may argue that he has a loan he still owes Verizon, but it appears also that Samsung bought out all those loans.

    There has been no word from Verizon that they will prorate service contracts since they are effectively disabling service...that's gotta be some kind of illegal.

    I haven't confirmed any of the above, as I don't care, but I do find it interesting.

    I think Verizon and the other carriers have done all they should do for the recall; my coworker even got the fire-proof box shipped to his house for the return. He likes the phone, he knows about the (extremely minor) risk, and wants to keep the phone. All Verizon is doing with this is pissing off those few thousand customers.

    1. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And when your coworker's house burns down, and his insurance company refuses to pay because he knowingly kept using a device that was a fire risk, maybe he'll grow up and decide that "I know better than the engineers at the manufacturer" is a stupid fucking game to play.

    2. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      So many issues to take a stand on, and he picks this? Man, pick your battles. His time, his money - just don't look for sympathy or understanding as this wound is self-inflicted.

      --
      W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
    3. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      I have a coworker who's holding on to his Note 7. He's been staying on top of all of this. It appears that after a recall, a company cannot require nor continue requiring payment for a recalled device. Some may argue that he has a loan he still owes Verizon, but it appears also that Samsung bought out all those loans.

      There has been no word from Verizon that they will prorate service contracts since they are effectively disabling service...that's gotta be some kind of illegal.

      I haven't confirmed any of the above, as I don't care, but I do find it interesting.

      I think Verizon and the other carriers have done all they should do for the recall; my coworker even got the fire-proof box shipped to his house for the return. He likes the phone, he knows about the (extremely minor) risk, and wants to keep the phone. All Verizon is doing with this is pissing off those few thousand customers.

      True. However, Samsung is offering a full refund, and I'm sure Verizon will cancel his contract if he tuns in his phone.

      Samsung only "bought out" everyone who returned their phone. If you still have it, it hasn't been bought out yet. And technically, you can restore full functionality by moving the SIM to a new phone.

      And he'd better hurry. Recalled products stay recalled, but recall offers can be time-limited after a reasonable amount of time. After which the company is no longer obligated to fix/repair/replace the recalled product. This is usually around 6 months to a year.

    4. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by cyn1c77 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a coworker who's holding on to his Note 7. He's been staying on top of all of this. It appears that after a recall, a company cannot require nor continue requiring payment for a recalled device. Some may argue that he has a loan he still owes Verizon, but it appears also that Samsung bought out all those loans.

      Verizon doesn't want the liability of your coworker suing them after his house burns down. Or to be sued by someone else after he burns someone elses house down, or a bus, or a plane.

      If they completely discontinue service to the phones, they have a justifiable legal basis for saying that they did all that they could to prevent the phone fmor being used. They have likely decided that alienating a small portion of their customer base is worth avoiding such liability.

      Also, your colleague sounds a bit daft.

    5. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by sjames · · Score: 2

      IF he keeps the phone at home, AND he can guarantee that any fire damage will be confined to his own property AND he doesn't have guests come over without warning them of the risk, then yes.

      He will also need to be prepared to continue making his mortgage payments on the burned out shell.

    6. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Funny

      You never look at the bright side. That device could fry his nuts and he will not have any children, thus improving the quality of the gene pool for the next generation for millenia to come...

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    7. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      A second impact!? Let's rename NEO to Angel. It is falling from heaven, after all. If Angels are falling to earth (Adam, Eve, Lilith, et al), I'm going to be less concerned with exploding phones and more concerned with giant mecha, Seele and the human instrumentality project.

    8. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by pla · · Score: 2

      Do you have your clothes dryer vent professionally cleaned every six months?

      Did you know that, in the US alone, 2,900 home clothes dryer fires are reported each year and cause an estimated 5 deaths, 100 injuries, and $35 million in property loss?

      By comparison, only 96 credible reports of Note 7 fires exist, causing 13 burns and damaging property 47 times, making the known-defective Note 7 roughly 30 times safer than a non-defective clothes dryer.

      Are you willing to accept the responsibility in case your clothes dryer results in injuries and death to others? Just to avoid a MINOR inconvenience?

    9. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      " They have likely decided that alienating a small portion of their customer base is worth avoiding such liability."

      I have never seen evidence that Verizon cares about alienating all it customer base.

    10. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Do you have your clothes dryer vent professionally cleaned every six months? Did you know that, in the US alone, 2,900 home clothes dryer fires are reported each year and cause an estimated 5 deaths, 100 injuries, and $35 million in property loss? By comparison, only 96 credible reports of Note 7 fires exist, causing 13 burns and damaging property 47 times, making the known-defective Note 7 roughly 30 times safer than a non-defective clothes dryer. Are you willing to accept the responsibility in case your clothes dryer results in injuries and death to others? Just to avoid a MINOR inconvenience?

      Oh, I should stop taking my clothes dryer on planes?

    11. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by AndyMoney · · Score: 4, Informative

      A single unit in my condo complex had a major fire due to a faulty fan. The complex was built to code and fire damage was limited to the source unit, and a little to the unit above (vinyl flooring got too hot). However, our WHOLE complex had to move out for 2 months while they repaired all of the smoke damage done to many units in the building. Burning rugs and mattresses release a lot of toxic soot, and firefighters opening the fire proof doors to ensure everyone was out allowed enough smoke to travel and stick to everything.

    12. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by edtice1559 · · Score: 2

      The problem is that his stupid risk will harm and possibly kill others. A free society does not allow reckless endangerment of others.

    13. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by GrandCow · · Score: 2

      Do you think the guy is actually going to call his insurance company and tell them that he has that phone and to please raise his rates?

      --
      "Well kids, you tried your best, and you failed. The lesson is, never try." -Homer Simpson
  3. Re:Phone Calls? by lbmouse · · Score: 5, Funny

    I use my Note 7 to call my wife at work. She's a 911 operator so it's all good.

  4. Re:Your Samsung Product Isn't Really Yours. by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

    Knox doesn't prevent you from modifying the bootloader... Verizon had Samsung protect the bootloader in ways that are totally independent of Knox.

    Knox will REFUSE TO RUN if the bootloader has ever been modified, but even THAT was a policy decision forced on Samsung by customers (like large banks) who refused to license Knox unless Samsung did their bidding. Knox was ACTUALLY designed with the assumption that the phone would have two bootloaders... an immutable stage-1 bootloader, and a modifiable stage-2 bootloader. The idea was that Knox would refuse to run if the stage 2 bootloader was modified, but users could still root and use the phone without Knox, then later reflash the phone to an approved/stock ROM using the immutable stage-1 bootloader. Since the stage-1 bootloader is immutable, and by design can never be changed, it can always be used to securely reflash the stage-2 bootloader, which can then reflash the rest of the phone.

    It was actually VERIZON that went a step farther & forced Samsung to screw with the stage 1 bootloader to make it harder for end users to get at the stage 2 bootloader. Samsung itself really, truly, genuinely, doesn't give a shit if you reflash the phone to a new ROM. They won't provide tech support for alternate ROMs (some of which are, in fact, quite dysfunctional), but when they get a phone sent in for warranty repairs, the literal FIRST THING THEY DO is connect it to a JTAG programmer, wipe it completely, and reflash it to stock.

    On SOME Samsung phones, there's also a partial loophole... if you can find a way to reflash the stage-2 bootloader to TWRP or Clockworkmod AND ensure that the phone never boots into a ROM with Knox while the bootloader is modified, the "Knox Warranty Bit" will never be touched, and you can later reflash it back to a stock rom with stock stage-2 bootloader & Knox will never know the difference.

    Knox itself is annoying, but not particularly evil(*). Once you get TWRP or Clockworkmod onto the phone and reflash it to a custom ROM, you'll never see or have to deal with Knox ever again. And just for the record, the infamous "Knox Warranty Fuse" isn't a flag that negates the warranty on the phone ITSELF... it only negates the warranty on the phone's future ability to run Knox. So if you install Cyanogen on your Note 4, then later go to work for a company that requires Knox if you want to use company email from your phone, you can't file a warranty claim for a replacement on the grounds that the phone can no longer run Knox... but you most certainly CAN still file warranty claims on things like a defective USB jack, the touchscreen, etc. That's not to say some low-level CSR might not tell you otherwise, but once you escalate it to a higher-level CSR and say the magic phrase "Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act", they'll give in quickly.

    (*)Compared to most mobile device managers used by Enterprise customers, Knox is actually pretty tame... it allows management to blow away the encryption key needed to access company data on the phone if you quit/get fired/etc, but does nothing to screw with other files on the device. Other MDMs are WAY nastier, and give managers the ability to remotely-wipe your ENTIRE PHONE (including YOUR OWN PERSONAL DATA, like photos). Knox isn't *quite* perfect (it limits your ability to access "Secure" data, but does nothing to prevent your company from pushing OTHER apps to your phone that in any other context would be classified as 'malware'), but Knox itself is probably the least-evil MDM out there.