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Thousands of Note 7 Phones Still in Use On Verizon, All Non-911 Calls To Be Rerouted To Customer Service (cnet.com)

Thousands of Verizon customers continue to use the Galaxy Note 7 smartphone, the carrier said. This despite the widely publicized recalls spurred by battery fire concerns and a software upgrade designed to kill the phone by preventing it from recharging. From a report: "In spite of our best efforts, there are still customers using the recalled phones who have not returned or exchanged their Note 7 to the point of purchase," a Verizon spokeswoman said. "The recalled Note 7s pose a safety risk to our customers and those around them." So now Verizon is fighting fire with fire, so to speak. The carrier plans to reroute all non-911 outgoing calls to its customer service line, and it might bill the holdouts for the full retail cost of the phone.

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  1. Phone Calls? by ranton · · Score: 1

    Who uses their cell phones for phone calls anyway?

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    1. Re:Phone Calls? by lbmouse · · Score: 5, Funny

      I use my Note 7 to call my wife at work. She's a 911 operator so it's all good.

    2. Re:Phone Calls? by b783719 · · Score: 1

      I also use my Note 7 to call my wife at work. Since she works in Verizon customer service, now I never need to remember the hotline number!

    3. Re:Phone Calls? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Considering the number of Verizon haters on /., I'm surprised no one has (yet) suggested that your wife is fast heading for unemployment.

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  2. If you work at Verizon customer service by Jawnn · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...sucks to be you. I can feel the waves of hate already. It's as if millions of voices suddenly dialed out, and were silenced.

    1. Re:If you work at Verizon customer service by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      But what happens if you like that sort of thing?

      Hardware store - >Hose Clamps...
      Large zip ties if you're really ballsy...
      and don't care if you stay that way...

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    2. Re:If you work at Verizon customer service by omnichad · · Score: 2

      They use them for LTE. All 3G/CDMA traffic is identified by hardware EMEI.

    3. Re:If you work at Verizon customer service by Falos · · Score: 1

      They must have a machine on the front line. As ghastly as the idea of an army of proles in the trenches may be for first contact, the real reason they'll (probably) be shielded is that automation is cheaper. They'll put a message up front meant to hopefully process generic scenarios fully or partially.

      The work is dead. The automation is the work. Long live the work.

    4. Re:If you work at Verizon customer service by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Still tied to the SIM somehow. When I bought a Nexus 6P from Google, I didn't tell Verizon anything. I dropped in my existing SIM and started using it - and yes, it works just fine on CDMA and 3G.

    5. Re:If you work at Verizon customer service by omnichad · · Score: 1

      There must be some sort of data protocol where the phone sends the info over LTE to register it. This is news to me, but that definitely simplifies things. CDMA still has no way of using SIM cards as far as I'm aware.

    6. Re:If you work at Verizon customer service by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      That was my thought. Or perhaps there's a pseudo-EMEI built into the SIM that the phone uses to identify itself.

  3. Re:Customers already refunded... by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    If you didn't turn it in, you didn't get a refund. Those that have them have paid for them (though some may have been at subsidized prices).

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  4. Verizon is going to get in trouble by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have a coworker who's holding on to his Note 7. He's been staying on top of all of this. It appears that after a recall, a company cannot require nor continue requiring payment for a recalled device. Some may argue that he has a loan he still owes Verizon, but it appears also that Samsung bought out all those loans.

    There has been no word from Verizon that they will prorate service contracts since they are effectively disabling service...that's gotta be some kind of illegal.

    I haven't confirmed any of the above, as I don't care, but I do find it interesting.

    I think Verizon and the other carriers have done all they should do for the recall; my coworker even got the fire-proof box shipped to his house for the return. He likes the phone, he knows about the (extremely minor) risk, and wants to keep the phone. All Verizon is doing with this is pissing off those few thousand customers.

    1. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And when your coworker's house burns down, and his insurance company refuses to pay because he knowingly kept using a device that was a fire risk, maybe he'll grow up and decide that "I know better than the engineers at the manufacturer" is a stupid fucking game to play.

    2. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      So many issues to take a stand on, and he picks this? Man, pick your battles. His time, his money - just don't look for sympathy or understanding as this wound is self-inflicted.

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    3. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      I have a coworker who's holding on to his Note 7. He's been staying on top of all of this. It appears that after a recall, a company cannot require nor continue requiring payment for a recalled device. Some may argue that he has a loan he still owes Verizon, but it appears also that Samsung bought out all those loans.

      There has been no word from Verizon that they will prorate service contracts since they are effectively disabling service...that's gotta be some kind of illegal.

      I haven't confirmed any of the above, as I don't care, but I do find it interesting.

      I think Verizon and the other carriers have done all they should do for the recall; my coworker even got the fire-proof box shipped to his house for the return. He likes the phone, he knows about the (extremely minor) risk, and wants to keep the phone. All Verizon is doing with this is pissing off those few thousand customers.

      True. However, Samsung is offering a full refund, and I'm sure Verizon will cancel his contract if he tuns in his phone.

      Samsung only "bought out" everyone who returned their phone. If you still have it, it hasn't been bought out yet. And technically, you can restore full functionality by moving the SIM to a new phone.

      And he'd better hurry. Recalled products stay recalled, but recall offers can be time-limited after a reasonable amount of time. After which the company is no longer obligated to fix/repair/replace the recalled product. This is usually around 6 months to a year.

    4. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by houghi · · Score: 1

      I am sitting next to him at the bar. His phone explodes, I have burns now. Does he have enough to cover all that? He is aware that now he is liable for everything, right?
      He forgot it at a friends house. The house burns down. They find the phone and it looks as if that might have been the cause. Paytime.
      He is alone in his car. It burst into flames. He pulls at the steering wheel and drives over a kid. Nice one.

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    5. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Then the apartment building was not built to code and the engineer should be in jail. Have a look at the Ronan Point explosion to see how this works. The gas company and the company making the gas appliances were not at fault, the engineers were for making an unsafe building.

      The size of fire a phone battery explosion can create should not be able to do more than inconvenience other apartment dewellers into exiting the building for a day. Otherwise we would have entire apartment buildings burning down every time some dumbass forgot to turn off the stove.

    6. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by cyn1c77 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have a coworker who's holding on to his Note 7. He's been staying on top of all of this. It appears that after a recall, a company cannot require nor continue requiring payment for a recalled device. Some may argue that he has a loan he still owes Verizon, but it appears also that Samsung bought out all those loans.

      Verizon doesn't want the liability of your coworker suing them after his house burns down. Or to be sued by someone else after he burns someone elses house down, or a bus, or a plane.

      If they completely discontinue service to the phones, they have a justifiable legal basis for saying that they did all that they could to prevent the phone fmor being used. They have likely decided that alienating a small portion of their customer base is worth avoiding such liability.

      Also, your colleague sounds a bit daft.

    7. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by sjames · · Score: 2

      IF he keeps the phone at home, AND he can guarantee that any fire damage will be confined to his own property AND he doesn't have guests come over without warning them of the risk, then yes.

      He will also need to be prepared to continue making his mortgage payments on the burned out shell.

    8. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      The Note 7 might be a collectors item someday like rare coins or rare postage stamps

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    9. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am sitting next to him at the bar. His phone explodes, I have burns now. Does he have enough to cover all that? He is aware that now he is liable for everything, right?
      He forgot it at a friends house. The house burns down. They find the phone and it looks as if that might have been the cause. Paytime.
      He is alone in his car. It burst into flames. He pulls at the steering wheel and drives over a kid. Nice one.

      He's at the gas station filling his tank texting on his Note 7 and you're at the pump adjacent in your brand new Rolls-Royce Phantom... a large yet currently unknown NEO (Near Earth Object) impacts in the South China Sea killing millions instantly and throwing earth into another global extinction event. Meanwhile, he rushes over wearing his new wool sweater to inform you, trips, and in the process and discharges static that ignites the fumes nearby, causing a massive fire and destroying both your vehicles and his Note 7. Is he ready to cover your expenses? Cha-ching, money in your pocket!

      I can peddle fiction surrounding extremely low and even unknown risk associated to activities as well (I like my strawman arguments to be far more entertaining though).

    10. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Funny

      You never look at the bright side. That device could fry his nuts and he will not have any children, thus improving the quality of the gene pool for the next generation for millenia to come...

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    11. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by adolf · · Score: 1

      Meh. Anything can be insured, including a dwelling with a closet full of firey hoverboards and a Note 7 with the factory-standard autoignition feature.

      It's just an additional risk that needs to be accounted for.

    12. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      As long as it does not undergo spontaneous combustion.

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    13. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      A second impact!? Let's rename NEO to Angel. It is falling from heaven, after all. If Angels are falling to earth (Adam, Eve, Lilith, et al), I'm going to be less concerned with exploding phones and more concerned with giant mecha, Seele and the human instrumentality project.

    14. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by pla · · Score: 2

      Do you have your clothes dryer vent professionally cleaned every six months?

      Did you know that, in the US alone, 2,900 home clothes dryer fires are reported each year and cause an estimated 5 deaths, 100 injuries, and $35 million in property loss?

      By comparison, only 96 credible reports of Note 7 fires exist, causing 13 burns and damaging property 47 times, making the known-defective Note 7 roughly 30 times safer than a non-defective clothes dryer.

      Are you willing to accept the responsibility in case your clothes dryer results in injuries and death to others? Just to avoid a MINOR inconvenience?

    15. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      " They have likely decided that alienating a small portion of their customer base is worth avoiding such liability."

      I have never seen evidence that Verizon cares about alienating all it customer base.

    16. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Do you have your clothes dryer vent professionally cleaned every six months? Did you know that, in the US alone, 2,900 home clothes dryer fires are reported each year and cause an estimated 5 deaths, 100 injuries, and $35 million in property loss? By comparison, only 96 credible reports of Note 7 fires exist, causing 13 burns and damaging property 47 times, making the known-defective Note 7 roughly 30 times safer than a non-defective clothes dryer. Are you willing to accept the responsibility in case your clothes dryer results in injuries and death to others? Just to avoid a MINOR inconvenience?

      Oh, I should stop taking my clothes dryer on planes?

    17. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by AndyMoney · · Score: 4, Informative

      A single unit in my condo complex had a major fire due to a faulty fan. The complex was built to code and fire damage was limited to the source unit, and a little to the unit above (vinyl flooring got too hot). However, our WHOLE complex had to move out for 2 months while they repaired all of the smoke damage done to many units in the building. Burning rugs and mattresses release a lot of toxic soot, and firefighters opening the fire proof doors to ensure everyone was out allowed enough smoke to travel and stick to everything.

    18. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by edtice1559 · · Score: 2

      The problem is that his stupid risk will harm and possibly kill others. A free society does not allow reckless endangerment of others.

    19. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      They will give him a comparable, alternate device!

    20. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that his mortgage contract would forbid this. So he should call his bank and ask them to initiate the foreclosure procedure right away before the house burns down.

    21. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by lgw · · Score: 1

      So, what you're saying is: you'd like him to give up liberty so that you can have the illusion of security?

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    22. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by GrandCow · · Score: 2

      Do you think the guy is actually going to call his insurance company and tell them that he has that phone and to please raise his rates?

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    23. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Only if you're completely retarded and can find other completely retarded people who consider a standard off the shelf device with a random design defect "collectors" item.

    24. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      The phone is banned from airplanes.

      If he's willing to ignore a recall order from the manufacturer, and proactively block an update that would disable the device he has, how likely do you think he is to heed a sign hanging in an airport?

    25. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      Then the apartment building was not built to code and the engineer should be in jail. Have a look at the Ronan Point explosion to see how this works. The gas company and the company making the gas appliances were not at fault, the engineers were for making an unsafe building.

      The size of fire a phone battery explosion can create should not be able to do more than inconvenience other apartment dewellers into exiting the building for a day. Otherwise we would have entire apartment buildings burning down every time some dumbass forgot to turn off the stove.

      Some low rise (3 level) apartment buildings are made of wood construction. There's enough potential there for a fire in one unit to burn the place down. Everyone should make it out alive, but at great inconvenience.

      I've also seen a 12 story building where a sprinkler line went off on the 12th floor. The residents of that entire wing of that building was removed for 6 months to rebuild after the water damage.

    26. Re:Verizon is going to get in trouble by jeepies · · Score: 1

      Silly policy? A fire on a plane in the air is usually fatal to everyone on board. A Galaxy Note 7 did catch on fire on a plane, but fortunately it was on the ground and they could evacuate. In the air, there's no where to go. That's why they banned them.

  5. OMG, WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE! by Kludge · · Score: 1

    OMG! I hope the government and corporations can save us all from the threat that is exploding cell phones!

    Seriously though, we are all going to die. But none of us from a cell phone exploding.

  6. Re:no... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    In other words, you didn't read the post at all...
    Calls to 911 are still allowed, all OTHERS will be directed to Veri$on customer service.

  7. HYPER BOWL much?! by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    protip: thousands < millions
    yeah, I know that wrecks your quote. This is slashdot, where technically correct is the best kind of correct.

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    1. Re:HYPER BOWL much?! by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Depends on which part of the world you live.

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    2. Re:HYPER BOWL much?! by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      protip: thousands < millions yeah, I know that wrecks your quote. This is slashdot, where technically correct is the best kind of correct.

      What part of "as if" escaped your attention, young padawan? You see, the phrase "as if" implies an hypothetical scenario and should not be confused with a declarative statement like, "Millions of voices dialed out...". I know that wrecks your attempt at pendantry. Maybe you should stick with the blaster.

  8. Re:Another opportunity to rape customers - sweet! by danomac · · Score: 1

    " and it might bill the holdouts for the full retail cost of the phone."
    Which Samsung I'm pretty sure already technically paid them off for.

    How can you be so sure? I am thinking based on such actions that Samsung will not reimburse Verizon at all until the phones are retrieved from their customers.

  9. HA HA HA HA HA! by Zurkeyon3733 · · Score: 1

    This will go over like a pay toilet in a Diarrhea ward! :-D

  10. Re:So what's your coworkers angle? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

    As a collector's item, it might eventually be worth something. But probably never more than it is now.

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  11. People at the customer service are bored... by LordHighExecutioner · · Score: 1

    ...because they get no call at all. 911 operators instead are raising complains: due to Verizon decision they are now very busy!

  12. Re:Customers already refunded... by sabri · · Score: 1

    federally mandated recall

    The recall notice says clearly that consumers should stop using and power down.

    The device related problems are an issue between the end-user and Samsung, not Verizon. Verizon has no business interfering in the legal use of a legally purchased device. To Verizon's network, it is irrelevant what device I would use, and therefore Verizon would be in breach of contract for turning of services I am paying for. Unless of course, Verizon can demonstrate how the use of a Samsung Note 7 device is interfering with the integrity of their network. This is a class action lawsuit coming.

    Don't forget that the issue is battery related. So take out the battery, and you have a perfectly functioning computing device.

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  13. Repeal and replace by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    With Samsung's forthcoming hot handsets. They will redefine what an explosive device is all about.

  14. Re:What's the big deal? by halivar · · Score: 1

    You don't understand the problem. The battery isn't too big, it's too thin. The protective sheath between the layers is too easily punctured. And no, you can't replace it with a thicker battery.

  15. Re:no... by halivar · · Score: 1

    Then they get a fine, or a visit from the cops. Their problem.

  16. Re:Customers already refunded... by anegg · · Score: 1

    Just wondering... what happens to Verizon if, despite all of the notices, someone continues to use the device that they obtained through Verizon, and... the device explodes, causing loss of property or life? Is it possible that that someone could/would sue Verizon for damages?

  17. Re: They need to do more. by Zebaulon · · Score: 1

    Don't call me Shirley.

  18. Your Samsung Product Isn't Really Yours. by Pauldow · · Score: 1

    I learned back with my Galaxy S4 that no one owns any Samsung product. Samsung really retains control. The so-called customer just has a license to use it for a while.
    I wanted to put on a different version of Android, and Samsung's Knox software prevents modifying the bootloader, so I'm stuck with all the Verizon bloatware and limited functions from their stock software, such as no tethering.

    That's why I went with the more open ZTE as my current phone since it's made by the more open Communist Chinese.

    1. Re:Your Samsung Product Isn't Really Yours. by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

      Knox doesn't prevent you from modifying the bootloader... Verizon had Samsung protect the bootloader in ways that are totally independent of Knox.

      Knox will REFUSE TO RUN if the bootloader has ever been modified, but even THAT was a policy decision forced on Samsung by customers (like large banks) who refused to license Knox unless Samsung did their bidding. Knox was ACTUALLY designed with the assumption that the phone would have two bootloaders... an immutable stage-1 bootloader, and a modifiable stage-2 bootloader. The idea was that Knox would refuse to run if the stage 2 bootloader was modified, but users could still root and use the phone without Knox, then later reflash the phone to an approved/stock ROM using the immutable stage-1 bootloader. Since the stage-1 bootloader is immutable, and by design can never be changed, it can always be used to securely reflash the stage-2 bootloader, which can then reflash the rest of the phone.

      It was actually VERIZON that went a step farther & forced Samsung to screw with the stage 1 bootloader to make it harder for end users to get at the stage 2 bootloader. Samsung itself really, truly, genuinely, doesn't give a shit if you reflash the phone to a new ROM. They won't provide tech support for alternate ROMs (some of which are, in fact, quite dysfunctional), but when they get a phone sent in for warranty repairs, the literal FIRST THING THEY DO is connect it to a JTAG programmer, wipe it completely, and reflash it to stock.

      On SOME Samsung phones, there's also a partial loophole... if you can find a way to reflash the stage-2 bootloader to TWRP or Clockworkmod AND ensure that the phone never boots into a ROM with Knox while the bootloader is modified, the "Knox Warranty Bit" will never be touched, and you can later reflash it back to a stock rom with stock stage-2 bootloader & Knox will never know the difference.

      Knox itself is annoying, but not particularly evil(*). Once you get TWRP or Clockworkmod onto the phone and reflash it to a custom ROM, you'll never see or have to deal with Knox ever again. And just for the record, the infamous "Knox Warranty Fuse" isn't a flag that negates the warranty on the phone ITSELF... it only negates the warranty on the phone's future ability to run Knox. So if you install Cyanogen on your Note 4, then later go to work for a company that requires Knox if you want to use company email from your phone, you can't file a warranty claim for a replacement on the grounds that the phone can no longer run Knox... but you most certainly CAN still file warranty claims on things like a defective USB jack, the touchscreen, etc. That's not to say some low-level CSR might not tell you otherwise, but once you escalate it to a higher-level CSR and say the magic phrase "Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act", they'll give in quickly.

      (*)Compared to most mobile device managers used by Enterprise customers, Knox is actually pretty tame... it allows management to blow away the encryption key needed to access company data on the phone if you quit/get fired/etc, but does nothing to screw with other files on the device. Other MDMs are WAY nastier, and give managers the ability to remotely-wipe your ENTIRE PHONE (including YOUR OWN PERSONAL DATA, like photos). Knox isn't *quite* perfect (it limits your ability to access "Secure" data, but does nothing to prevent your company from pushing OTHER apps to your phone that in any other context would be classified as 'malware'), but Knox itself is probably the least-evil MDM out there.

  19. Is that constitutional? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    This sounds like cruel and unusual punishment to me.

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    1. Re:Is that constitutional? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      This sounds like cruel and unusual punishment to me.

      I think those people have already proven their masochistic side by signing up for Verizon.

    2. Re:Is that constitutional? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      This sounds like cruel and unusual punishment to me.

      I think those people have already proven their masochistic side by signing up for Verizon.

      I'll play devil's advocate on this part and say that I have lived in places where there were dead spots that were only penetrated by Verizon. T-mobile, AT&T, and Sprint all failed where Verizon did not. You pay for that additional coverage, but it is available.

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  20. Re:Customers already refunded... by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

    Verizon's lawyers would cross-claim Samsung's, and besides having to pay their own attorneys to make required court appearances and monitor the case, that would pretty much be the limit of Verizon's liability. Sure, in theory, Verizon could be held liable for the full amount under the doctrine of joint & several liability... but that really only matters when the company with primary responsibility is judgment-proof (bankrupt, out of business, etc). Samsung is one of the largest conglomerates on Earth, and SamsungUSA is pretty huge, too... they aren't going anywhere, and their checks won't be bouncing anytime soon.

  21. There is none. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Right now, the closest device is a downgrade.

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    1. Re:There is none. by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      The S7 Edge is a pretty good device and it doesn't spontaneously combust!