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Donald Trump Is Sworn In As the 45th US President (reuters.com)

Donald Trump was sworn in as the 45th president of the United States on Friday, succeeding Barack Obama and taking control of a divided country in a transition of power that he has declared will lead to "America First" policies at home and abroad. Reuters reports: As scattered protests erupted elsewhere in Washington, Trump raised his right hand and put his left on a Bible used by Abraham Lincoln and repeated a 35-word oath of office from the U.S. Constitution, with U.S. Chief Justice John Roberts presiding.

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  1. Now lets see. by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    He made a lot of bold promises based on a lot of questionable data.
    However he did win, even though most of the media said he never had a chance, so who knows, he is literally just so crazy that it might work. Or we are going be be doomed.

     

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    1. Re:Now lets see. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Crazy that this is what we have to base an entire country's future on, the whims and fallout of a bipolar delusional sociopath's visions and beliefs

    2. Re: Now lets see. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But that's every politician.

    3. Re:Now lets see. by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are assuming the President of the United States is All powerful.
      Work on your local government and your State's Representatives and Senators to make sure the crazy is limited.

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    4. Re:Now lets see. by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would we want to do that? We want all power up at the top, not at the bottom, and invested in one man. We almost got there with Obama, and all the sycophantic supporters who saw no wrong in anything he did, until Trump got elected, promising to do ... the exact same things Obama did.

      People like their tyrants, and hate the other guy's tyrants. I hate tyrants, and don't want all powerful government power pushed to one guy. But that seems to be what the Republicrats and Demicans keep pushing for.

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  2. Re: News for Nazis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That didn't take long. Keep thinking everyone who disagrees with you is a Nazi.

  3. Perhaps globalism might be in fear for once. by sethstorm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Less H1-b fraud/abuse, more regular employment for those that want it, and a climate where anyone can succeed - not just those that identify correctly.

    Even if one opposes him, one should be hoping for success.

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    1. Re:Perhaps globalism might be in fear for once. by gnick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Even if one opposes him, one should be hoping for success.

      Absolutely. Personally, he frightens me - I feel like he's too impulsive to wield that much power. But if he does poorly, we all lose. I wish him nothing but success (assuming that his definition of success is close enough to my own.)

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    2. Re:Perhaps globalism might be in fear for once. by NecroPuppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You think there's going to be ~less~ fraud and abuse under a Trump presidency?

      He's got a Dept. of Education cabinet pick who blames a clerical error on her being VP of her mother's charity for 17 years, an HHS pick who passed laws to specifically help his stock picks (and I don't mean made it easier to trade stocks - he bought stocks and then helped pass laws that made those company's stock prices go up), and a pick for Sec State who wants to reduce sanctions on Russia so his former company, Exxon (they're tiny, you might not have heard of them), can get billions of dollars worth of investment off the ground there, also helping his stock prices.

      Shine on, you crazy diamond.

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    3. Re:Perhaps globalism might be in fear for once. by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You think there's going to be ~less~ fraud and abuse under a Trump presidency?

      He's got a Dept. of Education cabinet pick who blames a clerical error on her being VP of her mother's charity for 17 years, an HHS pick who passed laws to specifically help his stock picks (and I don't mean made it easier to trade stocks - he bought stocks and then helped pass laws that made those company's stock prices go up), and a pick for Sec State who wants to reduce sanctions on Russia so his former company, Exxon (they're tiny, you might not have heard of them), can get billions of dollars worth of investment off the ground there, also helping his stock prices.

      Shine on, you crazy diamond.

      Yes, even if all that's true it pales in comparison to what Clinton would have done.

      Did you that the "Clinton Global Initiative" just shuttered operations? I mean, who could have seen that coming? You'd think since she isn't President of the USA she would have more time for her, um, charitable work. It's almost like it was a massive scam meant to give the Clintons a slush fund to live the big life on "donations" from people who wanted to buy influence. Nah, couldn't be.

      http://www.inquisitr.com/38991...

    4. Re:Perhaps globalism might be in fear for once. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I happen to disagree. I think Clinton would have siphoned off millions in a free-for-all kleptocracy. I think Trump is going to siphon off billions in a free-for-all kleptocracy. The basic lesson being: You don't pick a millionaire or billionaire as the champion of the poor.

  4. Re:News for Nazis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Stuff that matters?

    As the president of the largest democratic nation on Earth it matters for all people on Earth, even if they cannot vote for or against that president.

  5. Re:News for Nazis by nwaack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    News for Nazis

    This. Garbage like this is exactly why Trump won the election. I hope you're pleased with yourself.

  6. Re:America sucks by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I was going to respond by correcting every point since you didn't manage to get anything right but... instead I'll just say I hope you can find someone to give you a hug today. Good luck! Hope you feel better soon!

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  7. Re:Not a single time traveler? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People who want to assassinate trump are absolutely out of their minds on many different levels. If he dies, we get Pence. Anyone who ever objected to Trump about anything at all should be very, very afraid of Pence.

    Let the clown reign, he was lawfully elected, whether we like it or not. At least with him he might throw a temper tantrum in your favor.

  8. As a fellow European by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Im Irish and from what I've seen, there has been an enormous smear campaign against him especially from CNN and all the way back to Jeb Bush who tried to destroy him and fell flat on his face. There's nothing wrong with putting your country first and America's prosperity is good for Europe. My only concern is that he has establishment enemies, liberal extremelist enemies, and radical islamic fundamentalist enemies. The secret service need to be up to the task. I believe he is a good man for the most part.

  9. Re:already exceeding expectations by nwaack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What a well thought out and rational post. Unfortunately, here in the good ole USA that sort of thinking will immediately get you labeled as a racist, woman-hating, homophobic, deplorable dumbass by Hillary supporters. All hail the two-party system. Yay!

  10. Re:already exceeding expectations by chispito · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm looking out for the interests of my family and me, and am glad Hillary isn't president.

    In all the circus of ridicule and horror at Donald Trump constantly blasted by the media, people forget just much dread there was at the prospect of Hillary Clinton.

    Some people are afraid of someone who is unpresidential and a blowhard and unapologetic and probably needs to think more before speaking.

    At the polls, more people were afraid of someone who has been trying her hardest to appear presidential for the last 24 years.

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  11. Re: News for Nazis by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, Nazis are a specific brand of racial and religious supremacy. And you can say that Trump is a bad person without saying he's a Nazi (he'd be a really bad one, seeing as how his daughter converted to Judaism).

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  12. Divided Country? by RoccamOccam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The U.S. is almost equally divided after every Presidential election. Why is it that this phrase is only trotted out when a Republican is sworn in?

    1. Re:Divided Country? by RoccamOccam · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Popular vote, not electoral college results, are the only relevant factor when discussing a "Divided Country".

      Going back 32 years, the winner always take less than 54% of the popular vote (Bill Clinton only got 43% in '92). Pretty divided *always*.

  13. Re:already exceeding expectations by chispito · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At the polls, more people

    *more people in swing states

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  14. Re:Not a single time traveler? by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Every VP back to Quayle has been an assassination preventor.

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  15. I think civility is going to go out the window by ErichTheRed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think my major concern with the next few years is that he's a bit of a loose cannon. You don't want a loose cannon who's obviously quite sensitive when pushed on things negotiating with other countries or making impulsive decisions that are hard to undo. I doubt he'd start a war (intentionally) but I really think he has to lay off the late-night Twitter. Telegraphing exactly what bothers you to your adversaries isn't a smart move. Sure, you can argue it's all a show, but some of the anger he's displayed with the press, his critics, etc. show that it's very hard to hide his feelings and just keep quiet.

    Here's what I'm mainly worried about -- now that Trump's President, the gloves come off of every single loud-mouthed, opinionated angry citizen who loves to moan and complain. By providing an example of "acceptable" behavior via his constant personal attacks on people, I think he's going to signal to everyone that they no longer need to be civil to one another. I know a lot of people who just aren't happy unless they're railing loudly against anyone and anything. Having that be the starting point for any discussion or debate for the next 4 or 8 years is going to lead to further retrenchment of people into their respective camps. I for one can't stand engaging with people who come out swinging, looking for a fight on every little thing...it's just not a personality type I'm interested in dealing with. The world's complex enough already and life's short, so why waste processor cycles arguing pointlessly?

    One thing I did like about the Obama years was that he was a very approachable President. Even when the political rancor was at its worst, with a few exceptions he took the high road in these arguments. I doubt we're going to see that very much anymore -- it's going to be years of angry press conferences and sound bites.

    1. Re:I think civility is going to go out the window by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Here's what I'm mainly worried about -- now that Trump's President, the gloves come off of every single loud-mouthed, opinionated angry citizen who loves to moan and complain. By providing an example of "acceptable" behavior via his constant personal attacks on people

      As opposed to all the race rioting spurred on by Obama's stupid comments about Trevon, Harvard Professors, Hands Up Don't Shoot, inviting BLM to the White House?

      Or do those don't count because you agree with the cause?

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    2. Re:I think civility is going to go out the window by EmeraldBot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Here's what I'm mainly worried about -- now that Trump's President, the gloves come off of every single loud-mouthed, opinionated angry citizen who loves to moan and complain. By providing an example of "acceptable" behavior via his constant personal attacks on people

      As opposed to all the race rioting spurred on by Obama's stupid comments about Trevon, Harvard Professors, Hands Up Don't Shoot, inviting BLM to the White House?

      Or do those don't count because you agree with the cause?

      Obama saying that blacks have a disadvantage after a shooting is race rioting, but retweeting an open neo-nazi and calling Mexicans rapists isn't???

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    3. Re:I think civility is going to go out the window by meta-monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      By providing an example of "acceptable" behavior via his constant personal attacks on people, I think he's going to signal to everyone that they no longer need to be civil to one another.

      The left hasn't been civil...basically ever. If you have a difference of opinion you are shouted down as a racist, sexist, xenophobe, homophobe, transphobe, literally double mega Hitler. Trump is just the first person on the right who found a way to fight back in a long, long time.

      I would love to have polite, civil discussions, but the left is going to need to stop shouting down, deplatforming, and physically attacking everyone who disagrees with them, and understand that it's possible to disagree with leftist politics without being a seething wraith of pure hatred wrapped in human skin. I don't see this happening any time soon though.

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  16. Re:Not impulsive at all by cryptizard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How about when he trash talked John Lewis on MLK day because John Lewis hurt his feelings by saying he wasn't going to the inauguration? Calculated move?

  17. Re:already exceeding expectations by MobyDisk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The few Finns I've talked to seem rattled by Russia's annexation of Ukraine. Like Crimea, Finland was once a territory of Russia. So I expected that Finns would not be happy about having a US president that doesn't support NATO and has almost forgiven Russia for their acts in the Ukraine. Finland has been moving to join NATO for over 10 years.

  18. Re:already exceeding expectations by lexman098 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The republican won't meddle in middle eastern affairs? The guy who thinks the Iran deal was "bad" isn't more likely to lead to nuclear or regional wars? What planet are you living on? Nuclear war (or traditional war in general) with Russia is extremely unlikely no matter who takes office. More importantly though, we're already at cyber war.

  19. Sad by mwvdlee · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sad

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  20. Re:News for Nazis by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, he won because the Democratic Party is too busy tripping over their hypocritical statements and actions. You know, the party of inclusion that can't wait to have 60+ sitting congresspersons "boycott" the inauguration of the president that they now have to work with. Their candidate for president was even there, and tweeting about working together. Yet these petty and petulant asshats can't see that the inauguration is a celebration of the institution, and not of the man being sworn in.

    The divisiveness only continues to get worse as long as these douchebags can't see that they are the ones perpetuating the problem.

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  21. Re: News for Nazis by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So you think Israel should just unilaterally abandon the Two STate Solution and start colonizing Palestinian territory? I'm generally a supporter of Israel, but those illegal settlements are deliberately provocative.

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  22. Right... by PortHaven · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But he won the game. And that was the point. And had it been about the popular vote. Trump would of campaigned differently, focused only on the large cities. And since he would of got almost all of the rural votes by default, he'd only have to swing a few points in a couple of cities. And he could of easily won the popular vote.

    But what point is there in winning a few million more votes in California to be popular if it doesn't help you get elected?

  23. Re:Not a single time traveler? by gweihir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Trump does not have what it takes to be "the greatest monster in human history". Even as a villain, he is a joke.

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  24. Re:News for Nazis by painandgreed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, he won because the Democratic Party is too busy tripping over their hypocritical statements and actions. You know, the party of inclusion that can't wait to have 60+ sitting congresspersons "boycott" the inauguration of the president that they now have to work with. Their candidate for president was even there, and tweeting about working together. Yet these petty and petulant asshats can't see that the inauguration is a celebration of the institution, and not of the man being sworn in.

    The divisiveness only continues to get worse as long as these douchebags can't see that they are the ones perpetuating the problem.

    I'm sure that the Democrats will show all the support and understanding to Trump that the Republicans showed to Obama.

  25. Re:already exceeding expectations by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, he's itching for a confrontation with China which is worse- because unless we could kill them off quickly, we'd probably lose in a long-drawn out confrontation. Europe could probably defeat Russia without us.

    Also, Chamberlain before WWII kept granting Hitler room to keep expanding, until it was too late and war was inevitable when he finally crossed the line against Poland. That's could potentially happen against Russia. He takes a chunk of Georgia, he takes a chunk of Ukraine, he takes a chunk of Latvia and Lithuania. Eventually we'll get pulled into confrontation if we let him keep gobbling up eastern Europe and turning a blind eye.

    Placing sanctions and remaining firm is probably the only thing keeping us from war with Russia. Even Putin's lapdog will have to bite eventually if the whole country is saying "enough".

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  26. Re: News for Nazis by xevioso · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fact that there's a whole shitload of stupid people out there doesn't change the fact that those people are wrong.

    I am not mad at people like you because Clinton lost. I am unconcerned that we have different politics. And I don’t think less of people like you because you vote one way and I vote another. I think less of people like you because you watched an adult mock a disabled person in front of a crowd and still supported him. I think less of you because you saw a man spouting clear racism and backed him. I think less of you because you listened to him advocate for war crimes, and still thought he should run this country. I think less of people like you because you watched him equate a woman’s worth to her appearance and got on board. It isn’t your politics that I find repulsive. It is your personal willingness to support racism, sexism, and cruelty. You sided with a bully when it mattered and that is something I will never forget. So, no people like you and I won’t be “coming together” to move forward or whatever. Trump disgusts me, but it is the fact that he doesn’t disgust people like you that will stick with me long after this election.

  27. Re: News for Nazis by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So ... Brits were Nazis, Americans were Nazis, Japanese were Nazis... pretty much everyone was Nazi by that definition, at least at some point of history.

    Whew. I guess the Germans are finally off the hook now that they're basically like everyone else.

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  28. Get over it! by mmell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We did this to ourselves. No matter what it feels like, the fact is our system of government has functioned (and continues to function) exactly as designed. If Mr. President Trump is not likely to make America whole again, the task falls to us, the citizenry of this (long great and still great) nation. We must oppose insanity with calm and deliberate purpose, not with incohate and aimless rage.

  29. Why the democrat icon? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That is the icon of the democratic party on the banner for this story. While Trump has been known to have held both sides of most matters lately, I have yet to see him call himself a democrat - and he most certainly did not have their endorsement to run for president.

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  30. Re:already exceeding expectations by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thank California for that. Because apart from the landslide in California, she lost handily in the rest of the 49 states.

    Let me put it this way, according to the Popular Vote, do you think people want California Style Commies in power? I doubt it.

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  31. Re: News for Nazis by nucrash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You mean like the Tea Party tantrums of 2009? I didn't forget about those. Did you?

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  32. Re:Just a few weeks from being sworn back out. by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For those that don't know what that is, here is the entirety of the text of that clause

    No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.

    Trump is NOT in violation of this clause. And it is a hillarious claim coming from anyone that voted for Hillary, who would have been actually in violation of this clause, with the Clinton Foundation.

    Typically, all "Gifts" from foreign heads of state are property of the US Government and are placed in the public trust.

    What this poster is trying to say, is that Trump cannot rent his hotel rooms out to people because that is a "gift".

    Here is the definition:

    a salary, fee, or profit from employment or office.

    I wonder where all these people were when Hillary was SoS and Bill was being paid by all those rich Arab Princes and Kings for giving speeches. Why suddenly they are "horrified" that Trump owns a business that might rent a hotel room to a prince, but said nothing for 4 years while the Clinton's enriched themselves.

    Hypocrites.

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  33. Re: News for Nazis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Mommy, he hit me first!

  34. Re: News for Nazis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's why he won. You keep calling people stupid and deplorable if they happen to live in the middle of the country. What a hateful person you are.

  35. Re:already exceeding expectations by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are certainly reasons to dislike, and not favor, Hillary Clinton - but I find that far more often the caricature that people think of her as is nothing remotely like the reality, in part because she's had 24 years of being turned into a target, primarily by the right, but also by the far left.

    Take the perception that she's a warmonger, for instance. I mean, sure, she's not a pacifist or a dove by any stretch of the imagination, but there's a large amount of difference between someone that's willing to entertain military solutions to international crises, and someone who actively goes looking to pick a fight. People blame her for supporting the Iraq War, which is fair - but she wasn't one of the ones pushing it, nor can anyone believably argue that she'd have chosen to invade Iraq had she been President instead of Bush-43.
    More importantly though, she is first and foremost a -rational- actor in terms of international policy. She is calm, calculated, and deliberate. She's not likely to fly off the handle, overreact, or wind up in over her head in a dispute with her prestige on the line. Consider 2008 - do you think Trump would have conceded gracefully the way she did to Obama, never-mind agreeing to work for him in a role that wasn't even the number 2 spot? I think it far more likely he would have flown off the handle, and threatened to retaliate however he could.

    I realize that some people seem to think that Trump will be different now than he has been in the past, but I have yet to see anything in his track record to give me any indication he can be someone other than who he continues to show us that he is - thin-skinned, proud, incapable of taking a slight or backing down from a confrontation. Explain to me again why this is more reassuring than someone who is an old hand at foreign policy and a known commodity?

  36. Re:Not impulsive at all by istartedi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They're not stupid. They're just smug. Liberals in general got full of smug somehow. Gone are the days of men from working class backgrounds rising to power. Smug weenies rule the left in the USA. Their strategy in the face of the current distress seems to be, "We weren't smug enough. We need to pile on more smug".

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  37. Re:News for Nazis by Shane_Optima · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That would be India. Over a billion people with democratic elections.
    Only slightly more corrupt than the US.

    This is obviously some strange usage of the word "slightly" that I wasn't previously aware of.

  38. Re:already exceeding expectations by EmeraldBot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More people in 49 states. If you take California out of the Popular Vote tally, Trump wins handily in 49 states. So much so, that the ONLY reason she won popular vote was because of the landslide that was California. And given that California Democrats just put Bernie supporters in power, we'll see how that plays out on the national level.

    I am pretty sure that most Americans, including national Democrats don't want California Commies running things.

    We can also take out Texas and she'd have won the electoral vote. What exactly is your point??? California's the most populous state in the country, they should get a correspondingly larger amount of say in what people are doing. I mean, should we exclude Montana because there are more moose than people?

    Also, I think you should take a look at California's politics. There was a Republican senator in power until 2011, a Mr. Schwarzenegger, and California had a weak economy with a broke government that mostly floated on large companies, and he made it like that. Democrats won, now the state has a powerful and emerging economy, is restoring and modernizing its infrastructure, and is at the for front of civil rights. If you compare the record of Indiana and Louisiana vs California or Oregon Ohio and Oklahoma vs Massachusetts or Washington, I think I'm ready to cave in to the "commies". Education, public resources, things to actually spend your money on, and a much higher standard of living... Those are all pretty attractive I think, even though Nigeria's low cost of living and taxes are nice in the short term, I'm pretty sure you'll want Norway's standard of living after the romance.

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  39. Re:already exceeding expectations by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is because Left Wingers keep parroting "Clinton won the Popular Vote" as if that mattered. When liberals offer that up, it opens up every other comparison out there. Hillary lost the election, popular vote doesn't count. If you wanted it to count, the vote totals would change, substantially. A lot of Republicans in California don't vote because what is the point?

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  40. Re:He's certainly *different* in many ways by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > He probably should have ignored Meryl Streep, for example.

    I imagine he fought Meryl Streep because she was given so much prime time. There were many others who said a lot worse about Trump but who were not prominent. In a way he was battling the media, not the actress.

    Fighting the media has been working for Trump so far, unbelievable as it may have seemed to us.

  41. Re: News for Nazis by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, I think Palestine should have taken the Two State solution offered by Israel a few years ago, but refused and went on a rampage over it.

    The problem is, you think that Palestine wants a two state solution, and they don't. It has been offered, repeatedly, and they keep refusing.

    And I wonder why you don't mention the Palestinians "Illegally" launching rockets into Israel. Or the time that Israel pulled its settlements out of Gaza, only to have them turned into rocket launching sites. I'm talking functioning industry and farms being walked away from and turning back into desert because ... Palestinians don't want anything the Jews had built.

    Palestinians are functionally incapably of peace at this time.

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  42. Re:already exceeding expectations by mukinrestak · · Score: 1, Insightful

    In regards to her perception as a warmonger, the behavior towards Russia in the tail in of the election certainly helps convince me that she is one. Trying to start shit with an ICBM and submarine possessing nuclear power does not strike me as the actions of a rational actor, but the temper tantrum of a spoiled little shit who'd rather ruin things for everyone than not get her way. And on an international stage, the amount of people for whom shit can get ruined, and the degree to which it can get ruined, is too horrifying to allow her a chance to do so. She threatened military responses to hacking https://www.techdirt.com/artic...

  43. Re: News for Nazis by rickb928 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes. ONLY Israel supports a two-state solution. The Palestinian authorities support the destruction of Israel and extermination of Jews. The Arab world as well. And much of Europe.

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  44. Re:News for Nazis by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I seem to remember shortly after Obama was inaugurated that Republican members of congress made it their goal to make him a failed president, opposed him in every action, voted against anything he supported and basically did everything in their power to oppose anything and everything he tried to do. It's interesting that those same republicans and their supporters now get their panties in a wad when the shoe is on the other foot.

    It's all fine and dandy to want cooperation and working together but that requires that both sides do it. The republican's made it clear that this divided government thing is the way things will run in the future. It's up to them to fix that by going across the aisle and working with democrats not steam rolling them.

  45. Re:already exceeding expectations by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    America's strength is the diversity of cultures. Having the culture of any one area dominate the country is bad. The electoral college does a good job of balancing this - to the extent that state boundaries reflect cultural boundaries, which is reasonably close.

    As far as comparing states - compare Cali and Washington. Similar culture, totally different tax scheme and implementation. Sure, Cali is bigger, but taxes and services are per-capita to begin with, so that doesn't seem to matter. You can have the government services you crave without Cali's amazing taxes and overbearing government intrusion into life (local as much as state).

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    Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
  46. Re: News for Nazis by Ionized · · Score: 3, Insightful

    so how would you describe the jerking, arm-clutched-to-the-chest motion he was making when he mocked the guy? what was the significance of it?

    it sure reminded me of how kids in elementary school would mock 'retards'

    perhaps there is some other meaning behind the motion that I am not aware of?

  47. Re:News for Nazis by Yunzil · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yet these petty and petulant asshats can't see that the inauguration is a celebration of the institution, and not of the man being sworn in.

    Give me a fucking break. The Republican party has cornered the market on being petty and petulant.

    The divisiveness only continues to get worse as long as these douchebags can't see that they are the ones perpetuating the problem.

    Bzzt. Wrong. They aren't the problem.

  48. Re: News for Nazis by erapert · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think less of people like you because you watched an adult mock a disabled person in front of a crowd and still supported him.

    I don't believe you.

    I think less of you because you saw a man spouting clear racism and backed him.

    1. [citation needed]
    2. Islam isn't a race.
    3. Illegal immigrants do not have a right to be in this country... by definition.

    I think less of you because you listened to him advocate for war crimes, and still thought he should run this country.

    If you mean that he would waterboard ISIS then I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for ISIS.

    I think less of people like you because you watched him equate a woman’s worth to her appearance and got on board.

    If your wife or girlfriend isn't fat and ugly then you may be a hypocrite.
    If you think Hillary is better on this point-- considering that she enabled her husband's infamous behavior-- then you're a hypocrite.

    It is your personal willingness to support racism, sexism, and cruelty.

    1. [citation needed]
    2. argumentum ad nauseam

    You sided with a bully when it mattered and that is something I will never forget.

    1. He's not.
    2. Just because someone directly challenges you or your opinions or ideas doesn't make them a bully. The internet isn't a safe space.

    So, no people like you and I won’t be “coming together” to move forward or whatever. Trump disgusts me, but it is the fact that he doesn’t disgust people like you that will stick with me long after this election.

    Virtue signal received; we're reading you loud and clear.

  49. Re: News for Nazis by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1, Insightful

    > if being courageous means acting like hill-dog supporters this last election cycle.

    what a disaster that person was. Bernie could have won in a landslide.

  50. Re:already exceeding expectations by Daemonik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...people forget just much dread there was at the prospect of Hillary Clinton.

    The "dread" you speak of was only by people who watch FOX exclusively and believe Youtube videos are real. The GOP spent decades demonizing Hillary, going so far as to put her on trial for Benghazi SEVEN TIMES. They still never found anything they could indict her for. Hell, they raked her over the coals for supposedly abusing her charity while pretending it didn't matter when Trump was accused of the same.. the GOP, defining the term "double standards" since at least the 80's.

  51. Re: News for Nazis by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow -- you actually weren't even aware of that comment? And yet you came to this detailed defense of him here?

    See -- here's the problem: it's not any one thing. It's a "preponderance of the evidence" thing. And I am far from a "leftist" -- I hate both major parties with a passion and found both major candidates this election to be some of the worst choices EVER.

    But Trump is simply in a "different league" of problems. That's why people assume he made fun of a disabled guy. I've seen the Catholics for Trump propaganda before. Maybe it's true. But there are other details about the specific references Trump made that also make me doubt his claim. Personally, I'd give Trump's story that he wasn't actually intentionally making fun of a disability about 5% chance of being true.

    And that's mostly because of Trump's other record. He doesn't get to have "the benefit of the doubt" in a case like this when he's been a bullying boorish jerk the rest of the time. And yes, he DOES behave like a jerk. He DOES behave like a bully to many people IN PUBLIC. (I hear he's nice to people in person. That's great. But it's not the persona on the campaign trail.) I personally don't care much about the disability issue -- the very fact that Trump tends to make fun of people rather than debate their issues is a MUCH bigger problem to me than whether or not he insulted a disabled person. (The latter obviously is still a significant issue if true, but again, it's the larger pattern that's concerning, rather than that one detail.)

    It seems like you, like many people who ultimately voted for Trump, just decided that you're going to believe the talking points of his supporters that the rest of the media was lying. I fully believe a lot of the mainstream media also exaggerated a bunch of things too (though, to be fair, Trump frequently egged them into doing so by behaving increasingly outlandish to get attention).

    I really am trying to give our new President a chance today. Really. I'll wait and see what he does over the next weeks and months. But it distresses me when someone who comes out so strongly as a Trump defender is then not even familiar with the fact that Trump has advocated war crimes!! To me, it shows how warped the message has gotten to many voters. (And yes, it occurs on both sides, but the disconnect from reality has started to increase significantly much more on one of them.)