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Scientists Enter Hawaii Dome In Eight-Month Mars Space Mission Study (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: Six scientists have entered a dome perched atop a remote volcano in Hawaii where they will spend the next eight months in isolation to simulate life for astronauts traveling to Mars, the University of Hawaii said. The study is designed to help NASA better understand human behavior and performance during long space missions as the U.S. space agency explores plans for a manned mission to the Red Planet. The crew will perform geological field work and basic daily tasks in the 1,200-square-foot (365 m) dome, located in an abandoned quarry 8,000 feet (2.5 km) above sea level on the Mauna Loa volcano on Hawaii's Big Island. There is little vegetation and the scientists will have no contact with the outside world, said the university, which operates the dome. Communications with a mission control team will be time-delayed to match the 20-minute travel time of radio waves passing between Earth and Mars. "Daily routines include food preparation from only shelf-stable ingredients, exercise, research and fieldwork aligned with NASA's planetary exploration expectations," the university said. The project is intended to create guidelines for future missions to Mars, some 35 million miles (56 million km) away, a long-term goal of the U.S. human space program. The NASA-funded study, known as the Hawaii Space Exploration Analog and Simulation (Hi-SEAS), is the fifth of its kind.

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  1. Wow. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm truly impressed by how far some Americans are willing to go to escape a Trump presidency. ;)

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    1. Re:Wow. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm truly impressed by how far some Americans are willing to go to escape a Trump presidency. ;)

      I am also impressed at far some Americans are willing to go to do pointless redundant research instead of just looking at how sailors deal with life on a submarine.

    2. Re:Wow. by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am also impressed at far some Americans are willing to go to do pointless redundant research instead of just looking at how sailors deal with life on a submarine.

      We only spent a couple months at a time making holes in the ocean. Plus we had a lot more possible social interactions (100+ in a boat, as opposed to six in the dome).

      So, worth the trouble of doing. Not like it's going to cost trillions (or even billions, or even large numbers of millions) to do....

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    3. Re:Wow. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm truly impressed by how far some Americans are willing to go to escape a Trump presidency. ;)

      Unfortunately, they will emerge from their Hawaiian Dome to find that US President Mark Zuckerberg has purchased all the land surrounding the dome, and turned it into a sort of Dr. Moreau island, where they will need to play through a "The Most Dangerous Game" / "Escape from New Your" scenario.

      Under Zuckerberg, American folks will be looking back to the Trump Presidency as, "The good old days" . . .

      US President Zuckerberg? Remember in 12 years that you heard it first, here on scenic Slashdot, "Nudes for Nerds" . . .

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    4. Re:Wow. by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Folks, we need to find a spot that most closely simulates the brutal conditions on Mars. Or we could go to Hawaii. Let's see a show of hands in favor of Hawaii.

    5. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This was also done during the early Antarctic explorations too (though without the time delayed communications). Even single people stayed over the winter totally cut off during some of those experiments (even communications were down for some.

    6. Re:Wow. by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is different from a submarine in some important ways. On a Submarine, you have many dozens of people to interact with. You are physically confined, but you have some social variety. Your mission is dangerous, but you have the comfort of knowing that it's been done before. Tours are, IIRC, 6 months long.

      A Mars expedition is different. You're going to train with these people continuously for at least 5 years. During that time you'll constantly be on your best going-to-church-with-grandma behavior and never speak up about grievances because your actions are being monitored ad nauseum by a legion of shrinks. Then you finally get the mission go and you spend (optimistically) 3 months in a space the size of a minivan. Remember your last trip in a minivan? Imagine being trapped in it for 3 months with 5 other people while NASA is scheduling your day down to 15 minute increments.

      If a thousand things you can't control happen to go right then you land on Mars. EVA suits on, and you finally escape that (obscenity laden) capsule. You see a horizon for the first time in what feels like forever. Then you work your ass off for a month and have to climb back in that (expletive) minivan for a risk-laden trip back home that takes even longer than the trip to get there. ... and during the entire trip you don't have a single shower.

      It's not "exactly" like life on a submarine, is it?

    7. Re:Wow. by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      Spending 8 months in a dome in Hawaii is not "exactly" like life on Mars, is it ?

    8. Re:Wow. by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      Put a half dozen people in an old submarine, and drop it on the bottom of a lake without any fuel.

    9. Re:Wow. by hey! · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm also impressed how Americans can just instantly know how to do a research project better than the principal investigator without looking at the PI's reasons for doing the project his way.

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    10. Re: Wow. by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

      Right, because submarines can be manned by 6 crewmen and are constantly exposed to the sun and the atmosphere. Oh, and good luck finding a non-nuclear submarine that can stay submerged for 8 months.

    11. Re: Wow. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      The top of Mount Everest seems the most logical to me. It's really fucking cold and the atmosphere is thin enough to kill you. Just set up a shelter that has a heavily tinted sun roof.

    12. Re:Wow. by religionofpeas · · Score: 1

      I'm impressed that you knew the gender of the PI without looking.

    13. Re: Wow. by Rewind · · Score: 3, Funny

      The top of Mount Everest seems the most logical to me. It's really fucking cold and the atmosphere is thin enough to kill you. Just set up a shelter that has a heavily tinted sun roof.

      || Mount Everest Mars Project - Administrator Log ||

      Day 1 - Per ArmoredDragon's suggestions we have constructed a dome on Everest. Sun roof is nice. Moral is good and we begin the study tomorrow. History will remember us as giants of our era!
      Day 4 - Experiments progressing nicely!
      Day 12 - Today a tourist climbing group came by. Most of them just chucked used oxygen bottles at us, but one waved. These are likely to be the last climbers of the year.
      Day 20 - It is getting very cold in the dome, we lost 3 researchers today.
      Day 31 - Lost 7 today, but our work is invaluable! Moral seems to be holding.
      Day 34 - Only one lost today. Sun roof has collapsed. Bob already ate the last of the Soup at Hand... Screw Bob.
      Day 42 - Lost 2 more researchers. Moral starting to decline, but we found Mallory and Irvine's camera and it looks like we will be able to develop the film! EXCITEMENT!
      Day 43 - Film only contains dick pics... 4 more researchers lost. Moral extremely low.
      Day 46 - 3 lost... Food has run dry. Forced to 'repurpose' research subject Bob...
      Day 49 - Lost 8 more today... down to shoe and belt leather rations. Moral continues to decline. Sent 2 to base camp for help.
      Day 53 - WHY DIDN'T WE JUST STICK WITH HAWAII?!? WHY WON'T YOU MONSTERS COME GET US? WHY?!?!?

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    14. Re: Wow. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I don't think Mount Everest's peak is large enough for the dome you envision, given that there are at least 33 people involved in your story.

      (28 deaths + Bob eaten + 2 sent to base camp + author still refers to "us" at the end)

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    15. Re:Wow. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I'm impressed that you knew the gender of the PI without looking.

      He probably doesn't; but he does know the conventions of the English language.

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    16. Re:Wow. by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      SSBNs stay submerged for 6 months at a time. I don't think the difference between 6 and 8 is enough to matter.

      Umm, no. I served on USS Kamehameha. SSBN 642. Two months and change out, switch crews, repeat forever.

      Many subs have had smaller crews, and nearly all of your interactions are with a few people at your work station.

      While virtually all subs had smaller crews than modern SSBN's, they seldom had crews fewer than 30 or so. Notable exceptions being an assortment of "minisubs" used at various points in WW2, all of which spent a couple days underway at a time.

      And it might surprise you to know that you seldom socialize all that much with they guys at your workstation. When you're working, you're too busy for much in the way of social interactions. You interact socially with the guys on the messdeck during meals and movies (when you can stay awake to watch a movie).

      Note that one of the biggest problems with a trip to Mars is likely to be boredom. Six of you in a freefall can. No course changes, no repairs, not much in the way of science to do till arrival.

      Mind you, a lot of that can be fixed by sending a bigger expedition - 60 guys plus instrumentation and such for doing some decent science while underway, that sort of thing....

      But there is another huge psychological consideration that makes a sub much more like a space flight: You can't quit.

      Now this I can't argue with. A good point. Note that this makes the test even more (potentially) useful. If the guys in the dome can't handle it in Easy Mode, sure as shooting it won't work for a Real Mars mission....

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    17. Re: Wow. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Get the fuck out back to you stupid india, you fucking america-hating chimp

      I'll bet that sounded better in Russian.

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    18. Re: Wow. by Rewind · · Score: 1

      That is the twist! They are all plastic army men. I am pitching it to M. Night Shyamalan.

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    19. Re:Wow. by swb · · Score: 1

      I wonder if they should work with pharma and come up with some new and improved hypnotics for a Mars journey. It might makes sense to have long-haul astronauts "zoned out" for several hours per day. They could keep a patch or some kind of autoinjector connected with a drug to counter-act it in case of emergency.

    20. Re:Wow. by jonyen · · Score: 1

      8 months isn't long enough to escape a presidency, unfortunately...

  2. Distance to Mars is not constant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    20 minute delay? Not even close to accurate. Due to the different elliptical orbits of the Earth and Mars, the distance can vary between 55 million km and 400 million km, with a corresponding light-speed delay of 3 and 22 minutes respectively. Even at its average distance of 225 million km, the delay would be 12.5 minutes. It would sure be nice if the people who write these articles and posts actually took more than about 3 seconds to think about what they're writing. Sigh.

    1. Re:Distance to Mars is not constant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So they're simulating the worst case scenario of 22 light minutes and rounding down to 20. That's not unreasonable.

    2. Re:Distance to Mars is not constant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, the worst case is opposit the sun - no direct communications. It has to be relayed by a satellite in a solar oribit, taking a much longer path.

    3. Re:Distance to Mars is not constant by PPH · · Score: 2

      Worst case would be if they had iPhones with Verizon service.

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  3. THE HAWAII DOME by bistromath007 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Two scientists enter, five scientists leave.

    1. Re:THE HAWAII DOME by RuffMasterD · · Score: 1

      Yeah um, it wasn't me, but it might have been me. Sorry Bro.

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  4. I still say... by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    If you want to know what will happen, at the 6 month mark you have to tell them that the trajectory for mars orbit insertion is too dangerous, and they will need to take the free-return trip which is 18 months back, and the rationing of supplies and provisions has to start immediately. After they eat the second person, you tell the reaming crew that the Mars gravity assist was not completely successful and, while we're doing what we can to create a rendezvous rescue mission, there'a a 75% chance that they will miss Earth gravity capture on the return leg by more than the allowable and their trajectory following the miss will take them just beyond Venus' orbit, but that they will have to ensure excessive heat and will die slowly as they cook in the capsule.

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    1. Re:I still say... by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      There is still some value in the study of how different personality types deal with long term isolation in a smallish group with other, differing, personalities.

      Your comment is interesting because it addresses the importance of evaluating who exactly will perform best in moments of high stress and difficulty. Due to the absence of deadly consequence for a mistake, determining who will perform best in a simulated pinch may not precisely translate to genuine grace under fire.

      The original astronauts were all seasoned pilots because it was assumed the had baked in some mental resilience.

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  5. They seem to have forgotten one important thing by donaldm · · Score: 2

    The gravity on Mars s 38% less than Earth.

    Of course, you still have to take into account weightlessness on the trip to Mars but I think the iInternational Space Station has that covered. Considering that once you leave Earth magnetic field you are going to get allot of radiation from the sun so you need protection there. When you get to Mars the only safe place is underground or in radiation proof pressurized housing since the atmospheric pressure on Mars is about 0.6% of Earth 's at sea level.

    A better test would be to go back to the moon and run your tests there and it would be a lot safer for the prospective astronauts but that does not have the "wow" factor.

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    1. Re:They seem to have forgotten one important thing by tomhath · · Score: 1

      Gee, they are clearly a bunch of fools to have "forgotten" all of that. Or maybe that's not what the study is studying.

    2. Re:They seem to have forgotten one important thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "The gravity on Mars s 38% less than Earth."

      Wrong. The gravity on Mars is about 38% of that on Earth, not 38% less than.

  6. Shouldn't the dome be in Antartica? by popo · · Score: 1

    There are plenty of dry valleys in Antartica that have far more in common with Mars than Hawaii.

    If the reasoning behind the choice of "Hawaii" is cost then.. yeah. That's an even better parallel then.

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    1. Re:Shouldn't the dome be in Antartica? by tomhath · · Score: 2

      Six people are locked in a closet. A few dozen other researchers are spending 8 months hanging out on the beach in Hawaii.

  7. Then back to the moon? by aglider · · Score: 1

    Provided that these tests will succeed, I hope NASA will do the next step to the moon first, instead of Mars itself. This would also help in case anything goes wrong. I think, if we cannot make it again to the moon, we won't make it any farther!

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    1. Re: Then back to the moon? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Need practice having people live in space for months on end and need practice building complex structures in space.

      It is a good thing we never build the ISS, as that would be the perfect thing to get this kind of practice.

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  8. Re: Will fags be studying butt-sex? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Don't you have better things to do, Mr. Trump?

  9. Re: Stupid by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

    NO ONE is going to the New World! The world is flat and it's impossible! What a waste of time and money!

  10. Re: They seem to have forgotten one important thin by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

    Going to the moon doesn't have the "wow" factor of going to Hawaii?

  11. Why not orbiting earth? by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

    You'll have no gravity. True isolation, and more of a climate that simulates space travel.

  12. Wondering how it will compare to the real thing by wvmarle · · Score: 1

    There are a few major differences with the real thing, which vastly change the psychological impact.

    This seems to simulate life ON Mars, rather than travelling TO Mars. Big difference: on the journey there is far less to do than upon arrival on the red planet. Boredom is what gives rise to tensions, having (hopefully interesting) things to do is what keeps you happy.

    The experiment lasts for 8 months, doesn't a (mostly boring) return trip take longer than that?

    There is ALWAYS the option of bailing out halfway. Yes, sure, it's forbidden and so, but the option is there. The people in the dome know that. If they really want, if someone gets really sick with some life-threatening condition, they WILL be taken out. In the event of a real trip to Mars, that option just isn't there. There is no help around the corner, it is not simulated far away, it's really far away. Knowing that you are committed is a whole different thing than knowing you can make it stop, even if it is only in really extreme situations.

    The simulation is a limited time, and a well known limited time. Participants can count down to the day they're released, and know when the torture wills top. That makes it much easier to deal with than the one-way trip as suggested by Mars One.

    The above are all things that I know can not be practically or even ethically be done on Earth. It may make a huge difference, though, when a manned Mars mission would actually take place. How people really deal with the above is not sure. One of the main things may be how to deal with emergencies, especially the part where you know that you can never summon help - I mean just look at how people fall over one another about the idea of movie theatres jamming mobile phones, potentially blocking people from making emergency calls until they walk out of the theatre!

    1. Re:Wondering how it will compare to the real thing by Vegan+Cyclist · · Score: 1

      Was going to post something similar...plus, the planet is trying to kill you. They don't have to worry about their suits or habitats failing.

      We're never going to be able to test the actual psychological toll of these factors, and they're pretty significant ones, and who knows how they'd affect behaviour over time -- even in the 'right' people. Funnily, the submarine comments above are probably more relevant than people give them credit for. It would add a bit more weight and realism to what they're doing. Or sniper robots set up around the perimeter that might go off at any time. ;)

      This is not to discount the simulation, there's still a lot more to prep and plan for, but there's an extreme psychological pressure that we won't know the effect of.

    2. Re:Wondering how it will compare to the real thing by PPH · · Score: 1

      Yeah. But on Mars, you are not at risk of Zuckerberg trying to throw you out.

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    3. Re:Wondering how it will compare to the real thing by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      There is ALWAYS the option of bailing out halfway. Yes, sure, it's forbidden and so, but the option is there.

      Simple no-cost solution - spread a rumor that the dome is a secret base for a Clinton-associated child pornography ring. But be sure to mention it's highly booby-trapped, so the nutters will wait outside instead of trying to enter.

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    4. Re:Wondering how it will compare to the real thing by Vegan+Cyclist · · Score: 1

      Not yet anyway! And that's PRESIDENT Zuckerberg. ;)

  13. Ascension? by StirlingArcher · · Score: 1

    Although it is annoying that they stopped at one series.

  14. Re:Umm by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    it sounds like a great weight loss plan. maybe I should sign up.

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  15. 8 months, huh? by NoZart · · Score: 2

    Somebody tries to dodge the "unwanted pregnancy" thing, i guess ;-)

  16. Hope they checked for stowaways. by SC_shooter · · Score: 1

    I hope they checked to make sure Pauly Shore and Stephen Baldwin hadn't stowed away before sealing the dome.

  17. skip this; do south pole by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Seriously, we should have Bigelow set up with several BA-330, along with a small nuke reactor to provide power.

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  18. best idea ever by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    They should send in Pauly Shore just for fun. You know, just to see what would happen. (look up the movie Biodome if you're confused).

  19. Re:1,200-square-foot (365 m) by pablo.cl · · Score: 1

    1,200 sq ft = 11.4 sq m

    1,200 ft = 365 m

    It seem sBeauHD was confused.

  20. Re:1,200-square-foot (365 m) by pablo.cl · · Score: 1

    1,200 sq ft = 111.4 sq m

    1,200 ft = 365 m

    It seem BeauHD was confused.