Apple Seemingly Censors UltraFine 5K Monitor Reviews After Poor Feedback (thenextweb.com)

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Apple Seemingly Censors UltraFine 5K Monitor Reviews After Poor Feedback (thenextweb.com)

Posted by msmash on Wednesday January 25, 2017 @06:00AM from the my-way-or-high-way dept.

It appears Apple is filtering and censoring bad reviews of the LG's UltraFine 5K display. From a report on The Next Web: The deletion was first spotted by a Reddit user four days ago. Though it's possible the reviews were removed for some other reason, at first glance, it looks like censorship. It's not a good look for the company. Apple said it was getting out of the monitor business, and instead chose to work more closely with third-party partners, heavily featuring LG's 5K and 4K UltraFine displays at its recent MacBook Pro unveiling. But then the monitor received multiple negative reviews from users who were experiencing issues such as the screen failing to wake up from sleep. The Reddit post also points out that: "In many cases, attempts to fix the problem through physical reconnection[sic] of the monitor, or manual restarts, have caused the attached Mac to crash, become otherwise unresponsive, or develop problems with the touch bar (where equipped)."

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Slashdot seemingly censors my first posts by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 06:02 · Score: 0, Redundant

By modding my awesomeness into oblivion.
1. Re:Slashdot seemingly censors my first posts by zlives · 2017-01-25 06:19 · Score: 0
  
  and now I am familiar with the term
  ALT-Fact
2. Re:Slashdot seemingly censors my first posts by Anubis+IV · 2017-01-25 07:59 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  TFA has been retracted and an apology has been put at the top of the page due to the erroneous reporting. Shockingly, the redditor got it wrong and the Internet-at-large didn't bother doing the slightest bit of verification before posting their clickbait headlines about a company being evil.
  MacRumors has some additional reporting on what actually happened, but the gist of it is that no reviews at all were being posted for the 5K display until earlier today. In fact, the Ratings & Reviews section of the page was entirely disabled for that page until earlier today, presumably because someone forgot to activate the section after the product went on sale. Cached copies of the page confirm that that's been the case since the page went live last year, so the notion that Apple deleted bad reviews is demonstrably false, given that there never was a way to submit reviews--good or bad--in the first place.
  Anyway, the inability to submit a review was already fixed by the time Slashdot posted this story, but, no doubt, people will be talking about the fictional bad reviews that Apple censored for months to come, simply because a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes.
3. Re:Slashdot seemingly censors my first posts by AmiMoJo · 2017-01-25 10:01 · Score: 1
  
  It's interesting that they don't have any reviews yet though. Maybe they are reviewing some, but it seems unlikely that none have been submitted. You need an Apple ID so I can't test it.
  
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4. Re:Slashdot seemingly censors my first posts by FatdogHaiku · 2017-01-25 10:07 · Score: 1
  
  OK, we need to start a gofundme so Truth can get better shoes...
  http://www.ssgear.com/usa_english/moment-of-truth-moto-shoes.html
  
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5. Re:Slashdot seemingly censors my first posts by Immerman · 2017-01-25 12:50 · Score: 1
  
  Unless of course there had never been any way to submit such reviews, as claimed in Anubis's summary - though the linked article only presents that as a possibility, not fact.
  
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6. Re:Slashdot seemingly censors my first posts by youngone · 2017-01-25 13:57 · Score: 1
  
  Yes, well that's all very well, but what am I going to do with all this rage I've built up?
7. Re:Slashdot seemingly censors my first posts by AmiMoJo · 2017-01-25 20:58 · Score: 1
  
  You can submit them right now, the form is there. There just are not any actual reviews.
  
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8. Re:Slashdot seemingly censors my first posts by Anubis+IV · 2017-01-26 04:42 · Score: 1
  
  Reviews have started showing up on the 5K page, so either people were slow to get the news that they could review it, or Apple was slow to have a human click the "Not Spam" button for each of them.
Censoring Where? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 06:08 · Score: 3, Insightful

Where is Apple doing this censoring of LG monitors? If you're gonna say that reviews are being censored, you should tell us on what site(s).
1. Re:Censoring Where? by barkeyrogers · 2017-01-25 06:20 · Score: 0
  
  did you consider clicking the link?
2. Re:Censoring Where? by GuB-42 · 2017-01-25 06:24 · Score: 1
  
  It is from the Apple Web Store.
3. Re:Censoring Where? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 06:34 · Score: 1
  
  Some guy on Reddit said it, so it must be true, surely?
4. Re:Censoring Where? by dysmal · 2017-01-25 06:39 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  did you consider clicking the link?
  You must be new around here!
5. Re:Censoring Where? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 06:51 · Score: 0
  
  Netcraft confirmed it.
6. Re:Censoring Where? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 06:51 · Score: 0
  
  Look, not just anybody can post something on Reddit. It's way more truthy than say Twitter or Facebook.
7. Re: Censoring Where? by greenfruitsalad · 2017-01-25 07:18 · Score: 0
  
  Without clicking the link myself, I'll make a guessumption that it's actually the macbook pro that cant handle the external screen and therefore the reviews are criticising the wrong thing. While apple is quietly fixing the issue, they're stopping the bad reviews in the meantime.
8. Re:Censoring Where? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 10:19 · Score: 0
  
  With just three quick clicks you could have gone to the OP, the linked article, then to reddit and gotten the info yourself.
  Or, the OP could have included the site, it does seem to be a thing of interest.
9. Re:Censoring Where? by Plumpaquatsch · 2017-01-26 23:57 · Score: 1
  
  Netcraft confirmed it.
  Actual, Webarchive confirmed there never were any reviews on that page. Until after this article came in.
  
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Amazon's influence? by AmiMoJo · 2017-01-25 06:08 · Score: 0, Troll

It's interesting that companies are criticised for removing negative reviews now. Back in the day that was the norm, you never saw bad reviews on the sites selling you the product. Like the 5 star reviews printed on adverts in magazines and in movie trailers, people just assumed by default that they were either selecting the most positive ones or just fabricating them entirely.
Then Amazon came along and didn't delete negative reviews. They became more trusted for that reason. Now people get upset when vendors do this, even though it's actually pretty common still.
Being Reddit it's tempting to just write this off as Free Speech Warrior nonsense, but I think for once there is more to it than that.

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1. Re:Amazon's influence? by sinij · 2017-01-25 06:38 · Score: 2
  
  ...to just write this off as Free Speech Warrior nonsense...
  While I agree with gist of your comment, the part that I quoted, while is not at all surprising coming from you, is especially misguided.
  
  Let me put it in terms you could relate to. Freedom of Speech is what prevents Trump from shutting down any and all discussion on climate change.
2. Re: Amazon's influence? by alhead · 2017-01-25 06:50 · Score: 1
  
  There's a big difference between professional reviews selected for marketing material and a public forum for user reviews. The former doesn't imply that it is a fair representation of all feedback, but the latter does.
3. Re:Amazon's influence? by PopeRatzo · 2017-01-25 07:03 · Score: 0, Flamebait
  
  Freedom of Speech is what prevents Trump from shutting down any and all discussion on climate change.
  It certainly won't be for lack of trying.
  
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4. Re: Amazon's influence? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 07:18 · Score: 0
  
  If you didn't have the ability to select, say 0 stars out of 10, then I agree with you.
  However, you are misrepresenting that users can actually leave bad reviews if the site lets users pick 0 stars.
5. Re:Amazon's influence? by AmiMoJo · 2017-01-25 08:50 · Score: 0
  
  Let me be clear: I fully support freedom of speech and will defend it to the end.
  But that's not what Free Speech Warriors are arguing. They think Apple should be forced to publish their negative reviews. I don't agree with forcing private companies to publish except in very specific circumstances, any more than I believe in forcing people to say things.
  
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  SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
6. Re:Amazon's influence? by sinij · 2017-01-25 09:12 · Score: 1
  
  While I don't agree that anyone should be forced to any speech, companies are not people and are now often simply a medium of communication. While there is a lot of nuance, it all boils down to following - could you possibly have freedom of speech if you are put in a sound-proof box and nobody can hear you? First Amendment covers government actions, this is because government controlled means to enact speech when it was written (via control of public spaces). Now majority of public spaces are digital and is controlled by this or that social media corporation or ISP. Our thinking about what it means to have freedom of speech also must evolve.
7. Re:Amazon's influence? by Megol · 2017-01-25 09:17 · Score: 1
  
  Except nobody forces the private company to say anything?!? They don't have to allow reviews however IF they do it is reasonable to demand that they DO show the reviews that people write (except spam and obvious crap posting). If not they don't actually allow reviews, they just allow endorsement of their products.
  If a company want to show endorsements on their website it is obviously 100% okay however it shouldn't be called reviews and they should make sure that consumers are fully aware that the ones shown are selected to paint the product as perfect.
  Anything else is allowing companies to lie. Consumers that are lied to can't be expected to be informed.
8. Re:Amazon's influence? by AmiMoJo · 2017-01-25 09:37 · Score: 1
  
  I guess you could make an argument that they should advertise them as endorsements or state clearly that they only show positive reviews. Transparency is good.
  
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9. Re:Amazon's influence? by AmiMoJo · 2017-01-25 10:14 · Score: 1
  
  I think if you want, say, Twitter to be required to be covered by the same rules as the government, you need to nationalise it. That's extreme though.
  Before the internet, some people wouldn't air their views in public anyway. Imagine going to a public place, getting on a soap box and arguing that paedophilia is okay. The internet allows views like that to be put forward in relative safety, on the dark web if necessary but actually most of it is out in the open. Stormfront, for example.
  
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10. Re:Amazon's influence? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 10:29 · Score: 0
  
  Let me be clear: I fully support freedom of speech and will defend it to the end.
  "Look, I'm not a racist, but..."
  
  But that's not what Free Speech Warriors are arguing.
  "But [bunch of racist generalizations about a group you don't like, that you aren't even a party of, but you're just so sure your generalizations are correct]"
11. Re: Amazon's influence? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 12:09 · Score: 0
  
  Except now Amazon has so many non-verified reviews that it's hard to tell what's real and what isn't. I would say that if you post a review on Amazon then you should at least say why it's a bad product and slow filtering on that. Like i want to know if it broke within x uses or x days. Is the product a fire hazard...check all that apply.
12. Re:Amazon's influence? by sinij · 2017-01-25 16:41 · Score: 1
  
  Yes, there are people out there with some strange or outright despicable opinions. There is no crime committed until these followed up by action. Still, we can't censor them because if it is possible to censor, this censorship will be used against what you see as legitimate opinions.
  
  I really hope Trump presidency will remind everyone on the left why they should cherish freedom of speech.
13. Re:Amazon's influence? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-26 01:09 · Score: 0
  
  I think if you want, say, Twitter to be required to be covered by the same rules as the government, you need to nationalise it. That's extreme though.
  That is a straw man, an obvious one.
  You don't need to nationalise platforms to regulate how they can behave. A simple law is sufficient. Often, antitrust law already brings you half the way.
14. Re:Amazon's influence? by Xest · 2017-01-26 03:11 · Score: 1
  
  If we've learnt anything from politics in 2016 it's that partial truths can be as damaging (or effective, depending on your point of view) as outright lies.
  So whilst I agree we shouldn't force companies to publish things they don't want to, there should at least be some guarantee that they don't mislead.
  As such allowing reviews, but hiding the negative ones is grossly misleading, as it acts to give people a false impression about your product. It implies to people that the product is well received by customers based on customer feedback when that simply isn't true.
  So I think companies should be forced to publish negative reviews if they're going to have the option of letting users create reviews in the first place. If they can't take negative reviews then they shouldn't have reviews at all. If they want to give that impression then do what movies do with the whole quote thing where it's clear that it's marketing, not a balanced view of actual customer opinion.
What's the [sic] for?? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 06:10 · Score: 0

I have a feeling [sic] that no one [sic] actually knows [sic] what [sic] means!
"reconnection" is a word...
1. Re:What's the [sic] for?? by Geoffrey.landis · 2017-01-25 06:27 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  I have a feeling [sic] that no one [sic] actually knows [sic] what [sic] means!
  "reconnection" is a word...
  Latin, "thus".
  "(Sic)" after a word means "thus", a statement that the word used is correct as written and not an error.
  
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2. Re:What's the [sic] for?? by sexconker · 2017-01-25 06:37 · Score: 1
  
  Yup. There's no reason for [sic] to be there unless it was in the original quote.
  Even if it were an error I argue against EVER putting [sic] inside a quote, or otherwise altering a quote. If the quote is incorrect, leave it. If you want to quote a portion of something and need to change a tense or replace a pronoun/article/whatever, you change your surrounding structure, not the fucking quote.
3. Re:What's the [sic] for?? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 06:41 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  I have a feeling [sic] that no one [sic] actually knows [sic] what [sic] means!
  "reconnection" is a word...
  Latin, "thus".
  "(Sic)" after a word means "thus", a statement that the word used is correct as written and not an error.
  That's the literal translation of "Sic" but that's not what it means when used in this context.
  It's used when quoting source material which has an apparent error, usually of spelling but can sometimes also point out grammatical errors or archaic/outdated usage. Specifically, it indicates the error existed in the original quote and is not being changed or corrected.
  Some people will claim it's an abbreviation for "Spelling Isn't Corrected", and although that's not technically correct it's the same idea.
  But the point here is that there is no error in the provided quote. So either the poster DID correct an error, or one never existed, and in either case the use of [sic] is not appropriate.
4. Re:What's the [sic] for?? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 06:50 · Score: 1
  
  I have a feeling [sic] that no one [sic] actually knows [sic] what [sic] means!
  "reconnection" is a word...
  Latin, "thus".
  "(Sic)" after a word means "thus", a statement that the word used is correct as written and not an error.
  Translation: It's a word that people use to convince you that they know how to write.
5. Re:What's the [sic] for?? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 08:12 · Score: 0
  
  spelling is correct (as quoted)
6. Re:What's the [sic] for?? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 08:42 · Score: 0
  
  Sic means "so", "thus", or "in this way". It can also be a shortened form of sicut, which means "just so".
7. Re:What's the [sic] for?? by uncqual · 2017-01-25 08:55 · Score: 1
  
  Embedded in a quote, "[sic]" actually doesn't mean that the preceding word/phrase is 'correct' or 'incorrect' from a grammar, spelling (or factual) standpoint -- just that it IS an accurate quote even though the preceding might be incorrect OR be misinterpreted as incorrect.
  For example, in the following, "[sic]" is used correctly to note that the error was made by the student, not the person offering the quote
  
  The student wrote that "the Son [sic] orbits around the Earth" and objected when the grader took points off for the student's fundamental misunderstanding of our solar system.
  However, in the following "[sic]" is used correctly to note that the use of the word 'son' is correct and should not be corrected by proofreaders
  
  The book "The Son's [sic] Trajectory Around the Earth" written by the mother of the first astronut to orbit the Earth is well worth reading.
  
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8. Re:What's the [sic] for?? by Geoffrey.landis · 2017-01-25 09:21 · Score: 1
  
  Embedded in a quote, "[sic]" actually doesn't mean that the preceding word/phrase is 'correct' or 'incorrect' from a grammar, spelling (or factual) standpoint -- just that it IS an accurate quote even though the preceding might be incorrect OR be misinterpreted as incorrect.
  A quote is correct when it accurately states what the quoted person said.
  If I write the moon is made of ice cream, that is incorrect. If I write He said "the moon is made of ice cream," that is correct (if he actually said that.)
  
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9. Re:What's the [sic] for?? by Megol · 2017-01-25 09:28 · Score: 1
  
  Why argue against a useful communication tool? The common usage of [sic] is to communicate to the reader that the writer is aware of the misspelling/odd spelling etc. but that it is correctly quoted. If one just leave the error (or unusual spelling, word etc.) then the reader have to assume the writer did a correct quote or that the writer did a mistake while quoting.
  TL;DR doing that would reduce the information bandwidth with one bit per potential wrongly quoted word.
10. Re:What's the [sic] for?? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 09:46 · Score: 0
  
  "written by the mother of the first astronut [sic] to orbit the Earth is well worth reading."
  I think I'm getting the hang of it. :)
11. Re: What's the [sic] for?? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 10:06 · Score: 0
  
  It's just a pre-millenial version of QFT
12. Re:What's the [sic] for?? by uncqual · 2017-01-25 10:15 · Score: 1
  
  Indeed you are!
  I'd like to say I was referring to the son's passion for astronomy and related fields, but that would be a lie.
  I'd like to say that I left that in there for you to feast on, but that would be a lie.
  The truth is much simpler -- I was too lazy to carefully proofread my comment or even notice the bright red squiggly line under the word :(
  
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13. Re:What's the [sic] for?? by Plumpaquatsch · 2017-01-27 01:04 · Score: 1
  
  Embedded in a quote, "[sic]" actually doesn't mean that the preceding word/phrase is 'correct' or 'incorrect' from a grammar, spelling (or factual) standpoint -- just that it IS an accurate quote even though the preceding might be incorrect OR be misinterpreted as incorrect.
  A quote is correct when it accurately states what the quoted person said.
  If I write the moon is made of ice cream, that is incorrect. If I write He said "the moon is made of ice cream," that is correct (if he actually said that.)
  So what if you write He said "the moon is made of ice creme," - what is correct and what did he say? He said "the moon is made of ice creme [sic]." - clear now?
  
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14. Re:What's the [sic] for?? by Geoffrey.landis · 2017-01-27 02:05 · Score: 1
  
  You got it.
  
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It's not censorship, it's courage... by Ecuador · 2017-01-25 06:10 · Score: 1, Interesting

I thought they were selectively removing reviews, but they just disabled reviews and made the (low) star rating disappear completely just for that monitor. Funny. There have been other products in the past with dismal reviews on apple's store, for example the 1 star replacement usb charging cable for a MacBook I had (circa 2009?), which had a tiny shiny plug that most people couldn't grab on, while at the same had poor construction which meant pulling the cord a few times destroyed it. So, you had to buy a new for $25, which would also not last unless you were really careful. But those were the Jobs days, they would sell you a $25 cable and show you hundreds of 1* reviews right there in your face, and you were expected to just take it ;)

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1. Re:It's not censorship, it's courage... by Ecuador · 2017-01-25 07:32 · Score: 2
  
  Sorry, it wasn't usb charging, it was some proprietary magnetic charging thing. It's a bit fuzzy since I only kept that macbook for a few months (it was really bad - switched to a proper Mac Pro), but I remember while it would have plugged/unplugged very easy with its little magnet, they had left you no area to grab it from (unless perhaps you had tiny fingers?), except the cable. And it would come apart very easily...
  
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2. Re:It's not censorship, it's courage... by Anubis+IV · 2017-01-25 08:21 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  I thought they were selectively removing reviews, but they just disabled reviews and made the (low) star rating disappear completely just for that monitor.
  Except that they didn't. The article was retracted and The Next Web has issued a formal apology for their erroneous reporting.
  The actual problem wasn't that Apple disabled the section in order to censor reviews; it was that they forgot to enable the section in the first place. Cached copies of the page show that the section was never enabled at all. It looks like someone at Apple simply forgot to press the button to enable ratings and reviews on the monitor. From there, a redditor used the opportunity to bend the truth quite a bit by claiming that Apple had disabled the section to hide bad reviews, despite the fact that they have a history of letting bad reviews stand, as you pointed out. The blogs love salacious news, so they posted it without doing proper vetting, and now they're all having to post retractions.
  Yay for the Internet.
3. Re:It's not censorship, it's courage... by AmiMoJo · 2017-01-25 09:52 · Score: 1
  
  Damn it Reddit. Should have known better than to trust the Free Speech Warriors over there.
  
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4. Re:It's not censorship, it's courage... by brausch · 2017-01-25 12:28 · Score: 1
  
  "I thought they were selectively removing reviews, but they just disabled reviews and made the (low) star rating disappear completely just for that monitor. Funny."
  Wrong. There were NEVER any reviews of that product. The review button was never enabled so there were no low or otherwise reviews to "disappear".
  
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To the tards that commandeered Apple... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 06:20 · Score: 0

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win” - Mahatma Gandhi
1. Re:To the tards that commandeered Apple... by sexconker · 2017-01-25 06:49 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  "If he's so smart, home come he's dead?"
  -Homer Simpson
  On the surface is a simple joke playing on Homer's simple mind. However, there is a deep truth to it. We are ultimately all of equal worth in death, and thus in life.
2. Re:To the tards that commandeered Apple... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 06:51 · Score: 0
  
  Is that what Gandhi said when he slept with young girls?
3. Re:To the tards that commandeered Apple... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 08:45 · Score: 0
  
  Is that what Gandhi said when he slept with young girls?
  I doubt much sleeping was involved.
Apple Web Store by SuperKendall · 2017-01-25 06:25 · Score: 0

Apparently the Apple Web Store has reviews. I had no idea.

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1. Re:Apple Web Store by nobuddy · 2017-01-25 08:52 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Seems pretty pointless with Apple fanbois.
  "When I turned it on, it burned down the house. Steve Jobs showed up in person to shoot my dog and shit on the corpse. I was sued for existing. 5 stars, would buy again."
2. Re:Apple Web Store by nobuddy · 2017-01-27 04:38 · Score: 1
  
  nothing can be done to right country music.
$10 says it's a shitty DRM issue by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 06:26 · Score: 2, Interesting

My 4k panel would do this shit all the time when I used it with a windows computer. Randomly blanking out, refusing to wake, etc.
Switched to Linux where none of this DRM bullshit gets used and it has operated flawlessly ever since.
1. Re:$10 says it's a shitty DRM issue by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 07:13 · Score: 0
  
  Well, HDCP negotiation failures (and sometimes even when it works) can cause this. Also, watermark detection DRM, which is something that should be forbidden by law, often malfunctions like that.
2. Re:$10 says it's a shitty DRM issue by MachineShedFred · 2017-01-25 07:25 · Score: 1
  
  What's funny, is that my Apple Cinema Display does this as well, connected through a DisplayPort switch into a PC. The PC seems unable to wake the display randomly, and I fix it by plugging it into a Mac. Then I switch it back to the PC and all is well.
  I figured it's a problem with the switch thingy.
  
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3. Re:$10 says it's a shitty DRM issue by dgatwood · 2017-01-25 08:38 · Score: 1
  
  It's not HDCP. In Sierra, some TVs and monitors are incorrectly reported as being non-HDCP-compliant, and the result is that certain software (e.g. Netflix, but only in Safari) throws errors. The OS as a whole, however, is perfectly content with displaying content on a non-HDCP-capable screen.
  
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4. Re:$10 says it's a shitty DRM issue by AmiMoJo · 2017-01-25 09:55 · Score: 1
  
  How did you have it connected?
  HDMI has DRM, but DisplayPort doesn't. 5k monitors all seem to use DisplayPort.
  
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5. Re:$10 says it's a shitty DRM issue by fnj · 2017-01-25 14:40 · Score: 1
  
  HDMI has DRM, but DisplayPort doesn't.
  Incorrect.
6. Re:$10 says it's a shitty DRM issue by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 16:25 · Score: 0
  
  [citation needed]
There's a reason by cerberusss · 2017-01-25 06:31 · Score: 4, Insightful

Ninety percent of all bad reviews was about the fact that a crash occurred if you connected/disconnected with the lid closed.
They fixed that bug in the latest macOS update. It came out yesterday. Basically all the reviews wouldn't make sense anymore.
I'm not saying it's a good reason, but I'm guessing that's the thinking in the apple mothership.

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1. Re:There's a reason by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 06:55 · Score: 1
  
  Ninety percent of all bad reviews was about the fact that a crash occurred if you connected/disconnected with the lid closed.
  They fixed that bug in the latest macOS update. It came out yesterday. Basically all the reviews wouldn't make sense anymore.
  I'm not saying it's a good reason, but I'm guessing that's the thinking in the apple mothership.
  That's irrelevant. If it's fixed then in a few years the reviews will be disregarded as something which has been resolved, in the meantime they deserve to suffer for putting such a thing in production.
2. Re:There's a reason by Anubis+IV · 2017-01-25 08:12 · Score: 2
  
  That's irrelevant. If it's fixed then in a few years the reviews will be disregarded as something which has been resolved, in the meantime they deserve to suffer for putting such a thing in production.
  The article was retracted even before it was posted to Slashdot's front page, so we're talking about a hypothetical case that never happened in the first place. The redditor falsely claimed that Apple disabled the Ratings & Reviews section of the page in response to bad reviews. A slew of sites then reported on that claim without doing any verification, other than noting that the Ratings & Reviews section was indeed missing from the page.
  Unfortunately for them, cached copies of the page confirm that the redditor was lying about Apple disabling the section, since the Ratings & Reviews section was never enabled to begin with. As such, there never were any reviews--good or bad--for Apple to censor. To be sure, the product was shipping so the section should have been enabled, but this appears to have been a case of someone at Apple forgetting to press the button to turn on the reviews section for the page, rather than something sinister. The section is now showing up on the page.
3. Re:There's a reason by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 22:13 · Score: 0
  
  There's no mention that that bug (which has existed w/ 1440p monitors for a couple of years now) has been resolved in the 10.12.3 update description. I have my doubts.
4. Re:There's a reason by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-28 02:46 · Score: 0
  
  In fact, since the same crash (won't wake up any display when external display is connected coming out of sleep) just happened again to me last night running 10.12.3, I can say unequivocally that the problem is NOT resolved.
Is this all LG Monitors? by omnichad · 2017-01-25 06:32 · Score: 2

I bought an LG monitor in 2015, just a basic 23" 1080p display, and it turns off instead of going to sleep. There is no way to wake this screen with any computer.
A pretty big design flaw, but I'm too cheap to replace it. I have to turn the screen back on every time I wake the computer.
1. Re:Is this all LG Monitors? by sexconker · 2017-01-25 06:50 · Score: 2
  
  Are you connecting via DisplayPort? This was a common issue on Nvidia cards.
2. Re:Is this all LG Monitors? by aicrules · 2017-01-25 06:54 · Score: 1
  
  I wonder if this could possibly be why my new LG phone will suddenly have everything go through every running service saying "XYZ has stopped" until finally it goes to what usually would be the initial power on screen but just sits there till I take out the battery.
3. Re:Is this all LG Monitors? by omnichad · 2017-01-25 08:13 · Score: 1
  
  HDMI here.
Relationship between TouchBar and Monitor by Marc_Hawke · 2017-01-25 06:33 · Score: 1

Can any Mac users tell me how the TouchBar interacts with a monitor? I can't figure out how those could possibly be related in a way that unplugging the monitor would change anything with the TouchBar?
Is it a volume thing? Does audio go through that same connection and you adjust the volume of the monitor through TouchBar controls?
Or is it actually just triggering generic unrelated instabilities in the TouchBar as the computer switches between 'have a monitor' / 'don't have a monitor' modes?

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1. Re:Relationship between TouchBar and Monitor by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 08:38 · Score: 0
  
  The touchbar is another monitor, albeit a small and narrow one. So unplugging and plugging in monitors probably causes a renumeration of the monitors and unresponsive external monitors might screw up the touchbar 'screen'.
Not much new here... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · 2017-01-25 06:51 · Score: 0

Haven't the Apple forums and the Apple Store reviews [i]always[/i] been the place to discover what issues Apple is actually worried about by seeing whether or not your post about them silently disappears?

If it's just some oddball problem with your configuration; your post will typically stay up. If it's a bug for which a patch doesn't exist; or a recall in the making, it'll be shoved into the memory hole in fairly short order. A trifle oblique; but actually fairly informative.
Courage by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 06:56 · Score: 0

Tomorrow, Apple will cite courage as the reason to remove the negative review from the website.
Just pointing out, this is on Apple, not LG by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 07:11 · Score: 0

LG's display technology is excellent. The problem is Apple's software on the computer side, and their firmware in their own electronics driving the display.
Are they sure it is a display problem? by LTIfox · 2017-01-25 07:32 · Score: 4, Interesting

I had EXACTLY same problems under Ubuntu 16.04/16.10 on my new machine.

Turned out - bugs in Skylake graphics drivers.

(in the end had to move to Fedora 25 for rock solid stability)
It was a magsafe by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 07:35 · Score: 1, Informative

It was a MagSafe adapter. They still make some pretty bad ones that fail all the time and get very bad reviews, but they don't seem to care.
Or by ArchieBunker · 2017-01-25 07:40 · Score: 1

Could be a driver problem, but sure blame DRM...

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TFA was retracted earlier today. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 07:58 · Score: 0

TFA was retracted more than 2 hours ago. This probably shouldn't have been posted, editors.
This makes me ... by CaptainDork · 2017-01-25 07:58 · Score: 1

... [sic]

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Nice misdirection of blame by Solandri · 2017-01-25 08:28 · Score: 1

Apple said it was getting out of the monitor business, and instead chose to work more closely with third-party partners, heavily featuring LG's 5K and 4K UltraFine displays at its recent MacBook Pro unveiling.
AFAIK, Apple was never in the panel manufacturing business. They used to make Apple-branded monitors, but those simply used panels manufactured by and bought from a third party (Samsung, LG, Sharp, and lately JDI - Japan Display Inc).

So when the reviews rave about a Macbook's display, it's an Apple screen. When the reviewers complain about it, it's an LG screen.
1. Re:Nice misdirection of blame by Plumpaquatsch · 2017-01-27 01:20 · Score: 1
  
  Apple said it was getting out of the monitor business, and instead chose to work more closely with third-party partners, heavily featuring LG's 5K and 4K UltraFine displays at its recent MacBook Pro unveiling.
  AFAIK, Apple was never in the panel manufacturing business. They used to make Apple-branded monitors, but those simply used panels manufactured by and bought from a third party (Samsung, LG, Sharp, and lately JDI - Japan Display Inc). So when the reviews rave about a Macbook's display, it's an Apple screen. When the reviewers complain about it, it's an LG screen.
  When there is a LG sticker on the damn monitor, it's a LG monitor. How is that hard to understand?
  Oh, about your " simply used panels manufactured by and bought from a third party " bot - why don't these third parties use these same screens in their own products and get the same good reviews for them, if there is nothing specifically Apple-y about them?
  
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That's what cults do by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 08:48 · Score: 0

Nothing to see here, try some faggy Mozilla censorship next.
LG 4k monitor is okay by Gabest · 2017-01-25 08:52 · Score: 1

Not the "5k" model, but I never had any problem with this under Windows and connected to PS4 Pro.
WRONG: Apple never allowed reviews by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 09:15 · Score: 1

Do your homework! Apple never allowed reviews on that product. Check again, you JOURNALISTS!
You STILL don't censor the review by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-25 09:26 · Score: 0

You add something like "please note that this was due by a MAC OS bug since corrected" or some disclaimer to that sense. But removing ad hoc review is a bad practice. And I hope they get a lack of confidence by their potential buyer and get slumped sale hard, as a lesson.
reddit was wrong--there never were reviews by brausch · 2017-01-25 12:26 · Score: 2

There never were reviews to remove. The original reddit poster was wrong.

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