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Microsoft Reports New Subscribers For Office 365 Plunged 62% (itworld.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Microsoft is having trouble selling $7-a-month subscriptions to Office 365. In the last three months of 2016, Microsoft added just 900,000 new subscriptions -- and throughout all of 2016, subscriptions increased by just 4.3 million. In fact, a chart at IT World shows that new subscriptions actually peaked in a year ago, with a steady decline in new subscribers ever since. "In each of the last three quarters, Office 365 grew by about 900,000 subscribers, the smallest quarterly increase since early 2014," they write. "Prior to the nine-month stretch of 2016, subscribers were accumulating at rates two to three times larger per quarter."
This explains why Microsoft announced 97 new markets for the software nine weeks ago. So far after four years, Microsoft's found just 25 million subscribers for Office 365 -- and it's not clear how many of those came from their $100 five-user packages. (Although those figures suggest that Office 365 subscriptions are still earning Microsoft at least half a billion dollars a year.)

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  1. Owning vs Renting by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft STILL hasn't figured out that most people prefer to own something than rent something.

    Their quest for the almighty "endless-subscription" cash-cow is failing.

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    1. Re:Owning vs Renting by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wouldn't call 25 million subscribers "failing".

      Given their user base, I wouldn't call it "succeeding", either.

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    2. Re:Owning vs Renting by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do they? How's Adobe doing with their cloud app subscriptions?

      Bad comparison is bad.
      You don't have a choice with Adobe, meanwhile the consumer can buy an Office 2016 license outright.

    3. Re:Owning vs Renting by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just a few years ago, the assumption was that pretty much every computer user either owned or pirated Office. There are 1.25 billion Windows users alone, not counting the Mac users, which adds probably another .1 billion or so. So Microsoft's market share went from 100% just a few years back to 1.8% under the rental model. That's not just failing; it's failing very, very badly.

      Now this didn't happen all at once, mind you. It all started more than a decade ago when Microsoft massively overcharged for the Mac version of their office suite, resulting in the nascent iWork suite getting a foothold and eventually becoming dominant in that market. From there, they ignored the threat posed by OpenOffice and continued their existing pricing. OO gradually chipped away at the perception that everybody had to own the real thing for interoperability. So when Google Docs arrived on the scene and made it possible for folks to do most of the basics without paying a dime, there was pretty much nothing Microsoft could do about it other than try desperately to milk what was left of their collapsing market for every penny they could squeeze out of them.

      The bad news for Microsoft is that no matter what they do, they're unlikely to increase revenue much beyond their current levels. For most people, the free solutions are good enough, and the people for whom that isn't true are mostly already paying them for it. If they raise prices, more customers will look for ways to get by with the free solutions, and they'll lose subscribers. If they lower prices, nobody will suddenly think to themselves, "For just another few bucks a month, I could have Office," because the existing free tools already meet their needs.

      At this point, it's pretty much downhill from here as the free solutions continue to improve and the reasons for paying Microsoft continue to diminish. IMO, this is what a company on life support looks like, and as Michael Dell once famously said about another beleaguered company, if I were the CEO, "I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders." Just saying.

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    4. Re:Owning vs Renting by Wycliffe · · Score: 4, Interesting

      To put it politely, it's wishful thinking to claim that Office competitors like iWork, LibreOffice, and Google Docs have significantly impacted MS Office's market share.

      We switched from Microsoft Office to Open Office about 5 years ago and since that time as computers have been replaced, office has not been purchased for them. 5 years ago it was also common to occasionally have someone send you a .doc file. I haven't had someone do that in several years. I can't even remember the last time I received a document that I couldn't open in Open Office. About that same time we also switched from Outlook to google mail handling all out corporate email and again, we haven't missed it.

    5. Re:Owning vs Renting by imidan · · Score: 5, Informative

      Add to your list of people, the ones like me who purchased Office 2010 for Windows many years ago, purchased some version of Office for Mac a few years ago (2012 maybe?) and are completely satisfied with the features available. I have no reason to buy Office as a subscription because I already have almost everything of any use that it can do. The costs I paid are amortized for as long as I keep using the software, which at this rate is likely to be more than ten years for both packages. Before I bought 2010, for example, the previous version I bought was 97.

    6. Re:Owning vs Renting by matbury6017 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The MS Office hegemony is still strong and is still making MS a lot of money.

      May be true in the good ol' US of A but over in the EU, they're going full-steam ahead with switching from Microsoft Windows and Office to Ubuntu and LibreOffice (There's a draft directive to switch to free and open source IT solutions). Since governments and govt. agencies are Microsoft's main paying customers, then Microsoft are going downhill in a very large market. It's just a matter of how long it takes for the EU to drop Microsoft entirely.

      Need LibreOffice online? LibreOffice 3.5 can be installed on a server and will work in a web browser. Need a supported commercial solution? Check out Collabora and the many spin-off service providers.

  2. *new subscribers* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    *new* subscribers. I can only be a new subscriber once...after that i'm an existing customer. duh.

    Once MS have 100% market share their new subscribers will fall to 0. Is this a bad metric?

  3. Too many choices are a barrier to adoption by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    About a year ago, they changed their offering and split it into so many different plans no one knows exactly what you get.

    MSFT needs to immediately limit themselves to four plans:

    1. Student

    2. Entry-level

    3. Power

    4. Everything

    And they need to make it very clear what these mean, in a single page document which is the same regardless of where you find it on Microsoft's site.

  4. Re: Considering how often it is down... by geekmux · · Score: 4, Informative

    As if any company would change their policies after a few days of downtime.

    Many companies run their business on Outlook, Word, and Excel, which is why you see it installed on almost every end-user system. Put another way, shut off the internet and see what happens to the ISP contract after "a few days of downtime".

  5. It is shit by Cornwallis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We're getting our 50 users off it. With the non-stop "Service" messages and the intrusive bullshit it keeps trying to push it has turned into a sinkhole.

    For example, Outlook users get prompted to install a NFL calendar add-on to follow football season. When I called support they first told me it must be a malware we picked up somewhere. After getting even more irate they told me "oh, well, yes, we do push that and you can't turn those messages off".

    Utter bullshit.

    1. Re:It is shit by geek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd kill to get off MS everything at my job. We're a fortune 500 and as my Director and VP once said "Microsoft is a hostile business partner"

      The MS licensing feels like protection money at this point. I can do everything for my job on Linux with the exception of Skype for Business, which we could replace if MS hadn't bought off some of our decision makers and tied us into it.

  6. Re:The decline is due to ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... the adequacy of old perpetually licensed versions ... the preference against paying annually for software licenses

  7. I wish people were that smart by raymorris · · Score: 4, Interesting

    > Microsoft STILL hasn't figured out that most people prefer to own something than rent something.

    For many years, I sold some software to small businesses (people smart enough to successfully run their own business). We sold the software for $149 or $189. Our competitor rented theirs for $59/month. This is software that businesses would use for years, so the comparison was:
    $149 to buy it and use it for three years
    $2,124 to rent it for three years

    We had MANY potential customers choose the "cheaper" competitor even though we loudly explained the huge price difference on our web site amd anywhere pricing was mentioned. Potential customers asked us for a monthly option. Eventually we relented and offered the choice, while clearly telling new customers that buying costs a whole lot less. A lot of people chose the monthly option.

    Once in a while, when I noticed somebody had been paying for four years or something, meaning they had paid five or ten times the purchase price, I just cancelled their billing.

    1. Re: I wish people were that smart by CGordy · · Score: 4, Informative

      For context, I work at a large multinational not based in the US.
      We have different approval requirements for capital expenditure versus operating expenses (and in my country, different tax treatments as well). It may be easier for the person responsible for procurement to order a recurring monthly expense than justify a capex spend, especially if the monthly spend is below an approval threshold. It may even be cheaper given the paperwork required.

    2. Re: I wish people were that smart by zippthorne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You say this as if it makes sense for the accounting rules to tilt the scales in favor of an objectively and substantially more costly practice simply to make compliance with the accounting rules themselves easier. To me, this seems like an argument that the accounting rules need reform.

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    3. Re:I wish people were that smart by tlhIngan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For many years, I sold some software to small businesses (people smart enough to successfully run their own business). We sold the software for $149 or $189. Our competitor rented theirs for $59/month. This is software that businesses would use for years, so the comparison was:
      $149 to buy it and use it for three years
      $2,124 to rent it for three years

      We had MANY potential customers choose the "cheaper" competitor even though we loudly explained the huge price difference on our web site amd anywhere pricing was mentioned. Potential customers asked us for a monthly option. Eventually we relented and offered the choice, while clearly telling new customers that buying costs a whole lot less. A lot of people chose the monthly option.

      And maybe your customers weren't so dumb and realized if they paid $60/month, they can get you on the phone to FIX THEIR PROBLEM NOW rather than paying you once and then being a drain on profits when they have a problem?

      I assume your pricing included some support with it, but if you're paying monthly, there's a presumed higher level of support given since why else are people wanting to pay you $60/month versus $150 outright?

      Perhaps they looked at your competitor and they offered 24/7 support for the price? And you offered email "when we get around to it" style support? Doesn't matter if no one ever bothers because no one has a problem

      Then there's the whole "what it costs thing" - if your software is so critical to my business, it would probably cost a lot, right? In which case maybe people felt your product was "too cheap" and thus missing important things.

  8. Corporates by sit1963nz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder how many of these "subscriptions" are effectively free, given away by MS to students because their educational institute has a licence, and its not just the student , its staff as well who are able to get a free subscription and install it on 5 machines they own. I think there is a VERY big gap between total number of subscription and ones that Microsoft actually make any income from.

  9. Adobe by p51d007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I GLADLY pay 9 bucks a month for photoshop/LR All updates come automatically, never had a problem with it, and they usually come up with a new version every year on the old stand alone model, and the update was more expensive than the subscription.

  10. Some figures for Adobe Creative Cloud by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's an investor presentation from last week (PDF). It's a long document, but the following is mostly derived from a couple of slides at the bottom of page 3.

    It looks like their total revenues for Creative Cloud dipped a few percent and then recovered again over the period 2012-2015, and as of 2016 their annual recurring revenue for that area is up to around $3.5B, compared to annual revenue of around $2.5B back in 2012 when their subscription model was starting up.

    Over the same four-year window, it appears that their subscription ARR has been increasing roughly linearly, while their non-subscription revenues are fast approaching zero.

    In short, it looks like they are now better off than they were four years ago in terms of annual Creative Cloud revenue, by about 40% if they maintain their current subscription level.

    Another figure they mention is current year-on-year subscription growth of 46% outside the US. However, they are deafeningly quiet on what proportion of their overall market that represents or the equivalent figure for US customers. Their overall growth rate is clearly far less than that, so it could be that they're successfully expanding into foreign markets and that's helping to drive their overall subscription growth (probably a good thing for Adobe) but it could also be that sales in foreign markets are covering up a significant reduction in the US as increasing numbers of US customers are cancelling their subscriptions (probably a bad thing for Adobe).

    It's also difficult to tell how many subscribers they actually have, since there doesn't seem to be any breakdown of which of the available subscription plans are generating how much revenue or what sort of effects they see from volume licensing, subscribers from different countries, or subscribers paying in different currencies. If we guess an average subscriber is worth about US$500 per year to them in revenues, that would give them around 7 million current subscribers, but this could obviously be way off if say most of the revenues are actually from enterprise customers paying far less than the headline per-seat prices with their volume deals.

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  11. Re: Considering how often it is down... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

    As someone in Seattle that has suffered at least two-thousand days of downltime with our Internet access, you are wrong.

    If you would just lay off the expresso a bit then two hours won't seem quite that long a period of time.

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  12. Re: Considering how often it is down... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Funny

    I work for a contractor inside Microsoft buildings, and they tell us to not access the Internet at work or from home.

    If you are using Microsoft products, that is good advice.

  13. Google Docs by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Google Docs is another reason. Google Docs doesn't have all the features of MS Office, but it is "good enough" for most people. Instead of $7 per user per month, it is $0 per month. Google Docs also has less downtime.

    1. Re:Google Docs by CaptainDork · · Score: 4, Informative

      The law firm where I was the IT manager asked about Google Docs.

      Appreciate that I've been retired 2 years now and I'm losing my tech savvy as each month goes by, so my remarks apply to about three years ago:

      We had a Microsoft Office site license and the program itself was "on the ground," installed on the server (Exchange) and on each desktop.

      I pointed out that because Google Docs was free, there could be no explicit or implied guarantees or warranties regarding up time or backups.

      Also, "cloud-based," was equivalent to "hackable."

      Because the Firm DID expressly, and implicitly, guarantee privacy, and indeed was bound to protect client and court information according to law, Google Docs was not a solution I could get behind.

      To this day, they have opted to store all that stuff locally with no part of that data facing the Internet.

      I think it was a good call.

      I do not know (or care, now) if Google Docs has a subscription service that would ease minds about those concerns.

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    2. Re:Google Docs by Wycliffe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Google Docs is another reason. Google Docs doesn't have all the features of MS Office, but it is "good enough" for most people. Instead of $7 per user per month, it is $0 per month. Google Docs also has less downtime.

      We switched from Microsoft Office to Open Office a few years ago and no one even blinked. I'm not sure most of the people even realize that it changed. Most of them still refer to the spreadsheet as excel when asking a question.

    3. Re:Google Docs by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Also, "cloud-based," was equivalent to "hackable."

      Google's datacenter is likely far less "hackable" than some small company's roll-yer-own solution.

  14. Re:Simple explaination by hambone142 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I install old versions of MS Office on my computers. Some versions are VERY old but each "new and improved" version seems to be less user friendly and over-complicated.

    I despise the crowded "ribbon" for Word and Excel. Pure crap.

  15. MS Office is in no win situation by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful
    For 90% of the people free tools without much of bells and whistles like Google Docs is enough. One thing Google doc does well is in collaborative editing. They really invested in that one weak area of MS-Office. For the remaining 10%, 90% of their work also could be done by simple tools. The advanced features of MS Office were used by them just 10% of the time.

    And MS-Office fiddling with UI constantly, with the ribbon interface, then menu items rearranging themselves based on use etc confused lots of users of advanced features.

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  16. Re:This is not the 1980's by markdavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >"Excel is unique and there's not really a replacement for it."

    And, yet, for what perhaps 90% of people use spreadsheets for, the alternatives work just fine (depends of type of user and industry, of course). I know, because I have 150 business users that use LibreOffice and zero using MS-Office. Maybe a few times a year we face an issue, and it is not because LO lacks some feature of MS-Office or Excel, but because some Excel spreadsheet we were sent is using some obscure macros, or an MS-Word document had horribly poor formatting. And then, it just requires someone to work on it a bit to fix it.

  17. Re: Considering how often it is down... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    As someone in Seattle that has suffered at least two-thousand days of downltime with our Internet access

    2,000 days of downtime? Maybe you don't actually *have* internet service. Say, did a guy come around and sell you a cardboard box with the word In-tar-net written on it in crayon?

  18. Re:The decline is due to ... by Tough+Love · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The preference for paying nothing at all...

    Libreoffice 100 million users, zero pirates

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  19. Interesting points. We added $99/year support by raymorris · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You bring up some interesting points.

    Some customers were very clear that they felt like $59/month was a better / lower price than $149 or $189 to purchase. It wasn't about support, it was purely short-term thinking in those cases.

    Support costs became an issue for us, for the company, because we still had to provide some support for sales we had made years ago. The longer we stayed in business, the higher our costs went, even if sales didn't increase. We cured that with a two step solution. First, we began offering extended support for $99/year after the first year. The first year was included in the purchase price, after that it was optional. That gave out customers the freedom to make a one-time purchase, or to choose multi-year support, at their option. For us, it means today we're not responsible for providing support indefinitely in sales from five years ago. For a couple of months it was an opt-in option you could add, then we switched it to opt-out, with support included by default. Then we changed the language to call it "Standard: with support and Barebones: no support after 12 months".

    As it turned out, with the extended support option, most of the people who demanded a lot of support were people who had chosen the discounted "no support" option. Customers got upset when we told them "you actively chose the unsupported version. Would you like to sign up for support now, 12 months for $99?" I'd prefer to give customers choices, but not if it makes them angry. We moved to $99 / year support as the only option and stopped offering a choice for only 12 months initial support.

    If I ever do something like that again, an annual fee will be mandatory, unless it's a $1 app that obviously doesn't include much support.