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FCC Rescinds Claim That AT&T, Verizon Violated Net Neutrality (arstechnica.com)

jriding writes: The Federal Communications Commission's new Republican leadership has rescinded a determination that ATT and Verizon Wireless violated net neutrality rules with paid data cap exemptions. The FCC also rescinded several other Wheeler-era reports and actions. The FCC released its report on the data cap exemptions (aka "zero-rating") in the final days of Democrat Tom Wheeler's chairmanship. Because new Chairman Ajit Pai opposed the investigation, the FCC has now formally closed the proceeding. The FCC's Wireless Telecommunications Bureau sent letters to ATT, Verizon, and T-Mobile USA notifying the carriers "that the Bureau has closed this inquiry. Any conclusions, preliminary or otherwise, expressed during the course of the inquiry will have no legal or other meaning or effect going forward." The FCC's Wireline Competition Bureau also sent a letter to Comcast closing an inquiry into the company's Stream TV cable service, which does not count against data caps. The FCC issued an order that "sets aside and rescinds" the Wheeler-era report on zero-rating. All "guidance, determinations, and conclusions" from that report are rescinded, and it will have no legal bearing on FCC proceedings going forward, the order said. ATT and Verizon allow their own video services (DirecTV and Go90, respectively) to stream on their mobile networks without counting against customers' data caps, while charging other video providers for the same data cap exemptions. The FCC under Wheeler determined that ATT and Verizon unreasonably interfered with online video providers' ability to compete against the carriers' video services.

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  1. Sold out by zieroh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, gentleman, we've been sold out.

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    1. Re:Sold out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Trump begins to prove he is just another liar in office. Any claim of any desire to "make America great again" is now revealed to be nothing more than a ploy to acquire the power to help the rich get richer, and everyone else get poorer.

    2. Re:Sold out by acrimonious+howard · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, gentleman, we've been sold out.

      What do you mean? If you like net neutrality (something that obviously has helped small companies and the internet grow all these years), then you should already know Republicans have always been against it, and you should have been against Trump especially. There should be no surprises here. But it should be a wake up call: Republicans are on track to kill net neutrality soon.

    3. Re:Sold out by Billly+Gates · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You think the republicans are the 'bad guys' and the 'democrats' are the good guys?

      Let me introduce you to Ty Harrell. Former Democrat representative for north Carolina. One of the early net neutrality proponents. Then the republicans took over. He got thrown out. Guess who loved net neutrality now and thought it was the devils work? When one year earlier it was the polar opposite. This is nothing more than we are being played by lobbyist who write our bills bribe our representatives and then pretend it is a partisan issue. You think Hillary would have done better? Some of her biggest donations came from AT&T, Verizon, TW, and Charter.

      http://stopthecap.com/2011/03/...

      Yes keep up the fight against it. But do not pretend those people in Washington support you. None of them do. Not one of them. Your real enemies are the very people you pay for internet access.

      Funny under Obama under Wheeler the FCC stopped rubber stamping bills written by the monopolies and started enforcing net neutrality. You all thought Trump would support you and he would end H1B1 visas. Well you were wrong, he does not care.

    4. Re:Sold out by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, we said the same thing about Wheeler, who had similar credentials, and he ended up being a pretty decent consumer advocate. Pai is not interested in net neutrality, but in removing regulation and barriers to actual competition - or so he says. That could work as well as FCC regulation in theory, or maybe even better.

      Only if you're in a major city, at best. Everywhere else (and even in many parts of major cities), the biggest barrier to actual competition is the cost of actually running the lines. In rural areas, the cost to run fiber to a single customer could easily be $50k. If an ISP can only make $600 per year, a second ISP would have to be utterly insane to try to compete.

      What we really need—and what I suspect no Republican would ever even consider doing, unfortunately—is for the government to build out the infrastructure and create a permanently government-owned nonprofit a la TVA to maintain it, then lease access to that fiber to any ISP that wants to provide service. Once you eliminate the need for competitors to provide independent, expensive infrastructures, suddenly the barriers to competition in the ISP space become almost nonexistent.

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    5. Re:Sold out by jtgd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Trump will make America great again, as long as you accept the definition of "great" as maximizing corporate profits while screwing the citizens.

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  2. Re:Well.. by nmb3000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Agreed. This is a sad first turn -- Trump's FCC may as well have sent a letter to the major ISPs saying "Hunting season on American Internet consumers is open! No tag limit!"

    I was very skeptical when Wheeler was appointed to chair the FCC, given his corporate background, but he ended up being one of the most consumer-focused and practically progressive people in Obama's government.

    And now? May as well say goodbye to net neutrality.

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  3. They also announced by Snufu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    they are changing their name to the Ministry of Communication.

  4. What happens next? by subk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Do we start peering a new Internet to steer around The Matrix? Routers of The World Unite? Or worse.. HAM radios and QPSK modulators? One can only hope it won't to that point. We shall see.

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    1. Re:What happens next? by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Short term
      Lots of new data caps and slowness, p2p slowness. Streaming providers get made new offers to pay to reach users with unlimited deals.
      Over the next few years:
      Slowness, profit making, caps and lack of network options will start to trend and users will loot for a better city or community network.
      The US can then open its cities to more open telco network builds, open existing telco networks to all other telcos or build a new nation wide optical network open to all and any provider.
      re ' Routers of The World"
      More community and city networks will face state courts. If a telco is not longer really special under federal law, then any city can build a network to support any provider.
      If existing telcos want a free for all on their own networks, then the ability to become a new telco in towns and communities will be more open :)

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    2. Re: What happens next? by subk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Granted, but it has been my experience of late that Fat Charlie's Crew has no resources to ride around and triangulate signals, so the chance that the FCC will catch you encrypting QPSK signals is slim to none.

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  5. Re:About that by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem with net neutrality isn't the stated goals, it's the way the left went about it.

    You numpty. How else are you going to "go about" net neutrality without regulation?

    The legislation was so overreaching and awful that dumping it along with the neutrality provisions was the right choice.

    There has never been any net neutrality "legislation". It's only been regulation. If you can't even get the basic facts straight, you should stay out of this discussion.

    (Also the economists who felt that it was unnecessary and counter-productive.)

    Who are these "economists" who felt net neutrality was unnecessary and counter-productive?

    Say, are you having Kellyanne Conway write your Slashdot posts now?

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  6. Re:Impossible to be well informed by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You could certainly achieve net neutrality without regulating it. It's fairly simple, and many other countries have done it, by making sure that there is competition in the internet service provider space, and breaking up the monopoly/duopoly structure.

    And yet, the self-proclaimed champions of the free market haven't done jack squat to try to put that into effect, and are instead happy to proclaim that the status quo of third-world internet service and bloated profits from rent-seeking monopolists is the "free market" at work, and needs to be defended against those evil leftists. In short, denying that there's any problem at all, instead of offering up alternate/better solutions.

  7. Re: Impossible to be well informed by gweilo8888 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Dr. Mark Jamison is multiple economists in one body? I wonder if he knows? Thank you for sharing this obviously true fact from your amazing internet resource! Hope they make enough money to pay your internet provider for you to be able to continue reading their articles, or you may not be able to reach them for much longer. The website I work for is one piece of proof for that point. I've been there 18 years and I like the work. I'm the third most senior person in the company. But I'm also a single dad, already make little enough that I'll likely never afford to buy a new car, can barely afford upkeep on my 1970s house, never take a vacation and don't expect ever to be able to retire. If we have to start paying for access to our readers, the well will dry up overnight and I'll find myself without a job and with no safety rope. And the millions of readers who value our content will suddenly find it gone. I can't make less than I do now and get by, full stop. That the leader of the USA now wants to help Comcast and their ilk do that to me tells me everything I need to know about Donald Trump and his government, not to mention the Republican party.

  8. Trumpistas will defend this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As they defend anything the cheeto insurgent does. Oh, you cry about Democrats, the corruption and how they forget the little guy, and give your vote to the guy that was already price checking stuff like this for his corporate buddies during the campaign. But this is really what you wanted, isn't it? As long as you can fuck over the liberals in your head, as long as you can stomp on people that do nothing to you, you will readily sell down the river all the principles you claimed to stand for here on Slashdot. Net neutrality? Fuck that! Who cares about that nerd shit as long as Trump does the MAGA song and dance?

    You certainly don't. And we are paying for your incompetence as voters.

  9. How about the following type of net neutrality by presidenteloco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps the best compromise is to allow differential treatment of TYPES of packets / packet streams, but not allow differential treatment of packets /streams FROM particular source IPs / identities / organizations nor allow differential treatment of packets / streams TO particular IPs / identities / organizations.

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  10. Re:Dafuq? All thesev years no net neutrality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    > Huh? We haven't HAD net neutrality regulations "all these years"

    We had it until 2005 when the SCOTUS ruled in Brand X that the republican-controlled FCC could reclassify ISPs as "information services" instead of "communications services." Which promptly killed all of those companies like Mindspring that relied on the right to lease telco lines. So lack of net neutrality basically killed competition in the ISP business.

  11. Its Open Season on the Little Guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Trump begins to prove he is just another liar in office.

    The whole reason the republican party is so willing to tolerate his bullshit theatrics is that his actual policies are a wet dream come true for the people who have been fertilizing the swamp. They are letting coal mines pollute streams again, repealing laws that protect grandmothers from being ripped off by "financial planners." And reducing the safeguards on the kind of real-estate bank lending that caused the housing meltdown. Its open season on the little guy like never before.

    1. Re:Its Open Season on the Little Guy by PMuse · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let us not forget that his very first executive order jacked up mortgage costs for home buyers. It's hard to find a total price tag reported for that move, but a naive* calculation suggests 750000 loans x $500/year x 30 years = $11 billion on loans taken out in 2017, with more to follow for next year's loans. All of it straight out of the pockets of the little guy.

      *I defer to some one who actually understands present value calculations on loans.

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  12. Re:Democrats are not our champions by Sri+Ramkrishna · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Are you mad? There hasn't been any improvements to infrastructure because Republicans refuse to pay for anything. They have been actively been working against the executive branch for 8 years precisely so that you can make the above statement. They controlled the purse. If they had worked with the President we would have seen something. The Republicans are not set up to legislate anything, instead, you see Trump talking about toll roads, so yes, you will see infrastructure but likely given to private parties in which you will be paying tolls on. In fact, I will bet you, your taxes won't be going down anytime soon either, but a lot of things are going to be expensive.

  13. Re:In theory. A workable law would be very difficu by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In theory, you can have the general concept of network neutrality, and also have QoS.

    In practice you can too. Net neutrality is about the source of the data. QoS is about the content. They are very easily distinguished by law.