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Intel To Invest $7 Billion in Factory in Arizona, Employ 3,000 People (cnbc.com)
Intel CEO Brian Krzanich met with President Donald Trump on Wednesday, where the company announced it will invest $7 billion in a factory employing up to 3,000 people. From a report: The factory will be in Chandler, Arizona, the company said, and over 10,000 people in the Arizona area will support the factory. Krzanich confirmed to CNBC that the investment over the next three to four years would be to complete a previous plant, Fab 42, that was started and then left vacant. The 7-nanometer chips will be produced there will be "the most powerful computer chips on the planet," Krzanich said in the Oval Office with the Trump administration. Most Intel manufacturing happens in the U.S., Krzanich said. "America has a unique combination of talent, a vibrant business environment and access to global markets, which has enabled U.S. companies like Intel to foster economic growth and innovation," Krzanich said in a statement. "Our factories support jobs -- high-wage, high-tech manufacturing jobs that are the economic engines of the states where they are located."Farhad Manjoo, columnist at The New York Times, tweeted; "As far as I can tell the decision had nothing to do with Trump, but they decided to announce with Trump. Why? There was no federal subsidy or any other credit. So it's just a marketing decision to give Trump credit."
Doesn't most Intel fab work happen in the US because they legally can't export the more advanced processes?
Trump wins again!
To Trump:
Please give us government money.
Journalists are idiots, who only know what they're told.
Why would Intel be sharing its CapEx decision-making process with a journalist?
If the Journalist really knew, he'd go back through his "notes" and find the list of where Intel's proposed fab was going to be, then hunt down the decision-making process.
But he can't, so he basically is saying "I don't believe them because I have no information."
What an f-tard.
Does Farhad Manjoo actually read the rest of the NY Times?
Wake up NY Times and start acting like a real fourth estate.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/08/technology/trump-intel-chip-factory-arizona.html?_r=0
"The factory, which will complement two other factories that Intel has in Chandler, Ariz., has been under consideration for several years. But Mr. Krzanich said that the tax cuts and deregulatory policies pushed by Mr. Trump had prompted the company to move forward with its plans."
Does that mean they'll be 0.002% faster than the last generation of chips? I knew Intel's chips weren't improving at any great pace, but even I was surprised when I saw HardOCPs benchmarks comparing a five generation old Sandy Bridge 2600K to the latest Kaby Lake 7700K:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/01/13/kaby_lake_7700k_vs_sandy_bridge_2600k_ipc_review/2
I'm not feeling any need to upgrade my i7 3770, and if I did I'd probably go for a Ryzen since the market desperately needs some competition.
If Ryzen turns out to be good Intel will no doubt just bribe all the OEMs to use their chips, just like they did when AMD got well ahead of them with the Athlon.
Intel always builds its new fabs in chandler - so this really ISN'T news. What would be news would be if Intel were for some reason to break with this and not invest in chandler first.
Considering how Trump trashed Boeing's share price - is it any wondering BK and the Intel board are giving the vainglorious moron the chance to bask in Intel's reflected glory ?
This is the definition of a propaganda piece - roughly akin to when Kim Jong Un 'directs' nuclear tests or 'gives guidance' to actual surgeons in hospitals...
I know you're trying to do yet more painting of Trump in a bad light by spreading "fake news" and "alternative facts", but if you'd bothered to keep up you'd know that two Republican senators voted no on Devos leaving a tie which had to be broken by Pence.
"As far as I can tell" = I have know information, no source and don't know anything about the industry, but I'll make something up anyway.
When they came for the communists, I said "He's next door. Take him away. Goddam commies."
Repug
What are you, 12?
Lol you tipping.
I'd rather have a Nobel peace prize
Is Intel run by a bunch of inbred idiots?
Why build manufacturing facilities where there's water shortages, problems with tectonic plate shifts, steep power bills for air-conditioning...
If it had been me, those 3 strikes would have ruled out the entire south-west of the U.S. for anything I'd want to build.
Add in the east coast with hurricanes, rising sea-levels due to polar ice melt-off, overcrowding and the entire eastern-coast is off limits for building.
That leaves the mid to upper midwest as the sweet-spot for construction.
Milder weather, easy water access, easy renewable power access, no earth-quakes, no hurricanes, no overcrowding, no issues with rising sea-level, cheaper land costs, workers with better moral and work ethics, multiple easy-access transportation hubs for getting parts in and out...
Wonder who's pocket was stuffed with graft after signing the deal.
It had to have cost a fortune.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
You heard something about someone, so from that you extrapolate that the Intel chief is scared of Trump and so will commit $7 billion to avoid Trump saying something mean about him on Twitter.
Dumbest thing I've read today, but it's early.
When they came for the communists, I said "He's next door. Take him away. Goddam commies."
That's neat!
Two "moderate" Republicans voted against Devos that tied the vote (50-50) in the Senate and Vice President Pence cast the tie breaking vote in favor of the Republicans. These "moderates" only announced their opposition after it became obvious that nomination vote would succeed without them. Not a tweet out of Trump.
big "Thanks Obama" sign we stomped into grounds there...
Um, they aren't exactly using tap water here, genius. It's ultrapure water, and it's used in a closed cycle.
He's an H1-B apologist.
His column in the Times today was explaining how much Silicon Valley needs immigrants for their hard work, inspiration and outside-the-box thinking.
Which is just fine -- but really, the complaint isn't about too much innovation in the Valley, the complaint is about run of the mill non-innovator jobs being outsourced to H1-Bs in the name of corporate profits.
Of course he didn't mention that issue at all, choosing to cast the issue as predominantly one of racism and ignorance killing the innovation hub of America.
Keep the muslims out!
The funny thing about the NY Times is that their editorial board endorsed Hillary, but their anti-Hillary reporters kept the email and FBI stories alive for months until the election.
I think Intel is genuinely on alert with respect to AMD. Intel's recent actions have led me believe that the Ryzen really is a very good CPU. Have you noticed in the last six weeks or so that Intel has been hammering the airwaves with ads? Not since the days of "Intel Inside" have I seen so much hype. These advertisements feature a Pee Wee Herman type guy walking around some business district yacking about how Intel powers all the self driving cars, Intel powers the cloud, etc. etc. It's without substance. It's all rah rah hype --- "Hooray for Intel".
Intel is clearly trying to reestablish their brand, and would not waste money on these ads if AMD wasn't about to unleash some serious competition.
CTR? They're gone now. It's ShareBlue now.
Speculation is all we have to go on. Maybe there were sneaky backroom deals made, or perhaps it's just one executives strange 'seemed like a good idea at the time,' or perhaps just an attempt to curry favor with those in power right now. Who knows? I don't.
Trump is an extremely vindictive and extremely vain man - if you stroke his vanity then he will likely provide benefit (influence government contracts; direct regulators to do favorable actions) and if he feels he has been slighted he will be highly vindictive.
So giving him credit plays into his vanity.
Interesting how credibility is gone when they don't completely criticize a candidate you don't like, but you don't seem to feel the same for all of the others who were blatantly giving a leg up to Clinton?
Does anybody care what some partisan hack from the NYTimes says? They have no credibility left, spent it all trying to get the bitch elected.
No kidding. The qualifier of "As far as (Farhad Manjoo) can tell" is as far as you have to read.
I'm confused. Trump says that American is a broken, dangerous disaster, but the CEO of Intel says, "America has a unique combination of talent, a vibrant business environment and access to global markets, which has enabled U.S. companies like Intel to foster economic growth and innovation". Which is it? Is American a horrible, horrible place where billionaire's daughters are treated "unfairly", or is it an awesome place where Intel can be formed and grow?
I don't respond to AC's.
Lower corporate taxes and fewer regulations seem like good incentives, and it's not just Trump but also the GOP Congress that's been around for a while.
Oh bullshit. The checks and balances built into the American political system seem to be working just fine.
He might do shit that you and I don't - and trust me I really don't like him - but he is not Hitler 2.0 even tho he might want to be, nor will he sell the nation off to the highest bidder.
I am very small, utmostly microscopic.
Republicans in Congress know that if they don't fall in line with President Bannon, they'll get primaried in their next election.
Only two Republicans went against Trump on DeVos. Susan Collins has nothing to fear and everything to gain with her vote. She is popular in Maine, and the core of the Maine Republican Party is far more moderate than at the national level. She has far more to fear in the general election against a Democrat. Lisa Mirkowski also has little to fear. DeVos wants to divert more resources toward charters and vouchers, and that does nothing for Alaskans. You can't use a voucher when the closest alternative school is 300 miles across the taiga/tundra.
"[...] But Mr. Krzanich said that the tax cuts and deregulatory policies pushed by Mr. Trump had prompted the company to move forward with its plans."
Tax cuts and deregulatory policies that Trump only talked about. No executive order will change or enact these items. The Republicans are too busy arguing among themselves on how to repeal and replace ObamaCare that they don't have time for anything else. We're overdue for a recession. I look forward to buying stocks on the way down.
While what you're saying is true. There is an actual issue with the current form of H1-B reform. That is to say *all* job positions regardless of talent level must consider "Americans first" in a vague way. That ambiguity is what's troubling and what leads to a lot of potential problems as it's left to the executive branch to enforce and interpret.
Let's say you have a dire need for data scientists and good ones. POTUS can now have his agencies force you to hire less talented people instead of those more talented from abroad, or ones who are here in the US as students who are seeking jobs.
So while we do need to address the issue of H1-B farms, the current proposed solution is kludgy, ill-defined, knee-jerk and probably won't have the desired effect...which is kinda inline with all things Trump.
In Hillsboro over 30% of software programmers are guest workers. That is about 5% of the households in the area. With such a high concentration of H1B tech workers, that is increasing housing in the area displacing the retired, disabled and the working poor.
No, I'm not sure why it's terrible news, but you know... it makes Trump look good.
Terrible news!
In the short term this fab will create jobs for those involved in its construction but once it has been built it will be staffed by experienced people from other Intel fabs. Those other fabs may backfill some of those positions but the nodes they produce will be ramping down as this new fab comes online. While it's nice to see these jobs remain in the US it is quite a stretch call them newly created.
Repug
What are you, 12?
This is why we would would prefer discussing technology to politics in this forum.
The US Gov't blocked Intel from selling their most powerful CPUs to China. Intel would like to roll that back since all it did was get China to create a high power domestic that they can now export to compete with Intel.
Power and real estate are cheap in Phoenix and it doesn't have earthquakes. It also lacks the taxes and regulations that have made it impossible to do business in California.
She didn't get her pardon. Those stories aren't over yet, despite the media attempts at whitewashing during the election.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Okay, dumb-ass, I doubt that they truck in the water that's used, so probably filtered on site from, yup, you guessed it, the tap.
But even if they did some-how truck it in, unless it's sourced from some place where there's no shortage of water, I doubt it's helping with the water shortage, and if it is, then it's not helping with green-house gases trucking the water in from somewhere so far away.
Regardless, you totally failed to consider the human / water side of the equation.
How much water will the employees drink?
How much water will the employees use while cooking meals or washing dishes / containers?
How much water will be used for the toilets?
How much water will be used for cooling of the facilities?
How much water will be used for cleaning the facilities?
How much water will be used for landscaping to make the office "pretty"?
Gasp! All of that in a place where there already isn't enough water to meet demands.
Go figure.
Would it be unreasonable to speculate that the writer is a complete moron who has no clue?
What? You are confused. There was no media more in the tank for Hillary than the NYTimes. None that spent their credibility more like drunken sailors, thinking they would get 'first question' for eight years, during which they could rebuild some credibility.
Done now. They can't unring that bell.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Attacking a strawman of your own construction, while ignoring the 'highest salaries get the visas' aspect of the changes.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Most likely Intel was going to hire those people regardless of who became President as they need to increase their lines. A public announcement will get Trump off their backs.
Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
No, it's more like Intel had decided to spend $7 billion on the fab for business reasons not involving Trump (most likely long before Trump became president, and possibly even before the election) so they decided that, hey -- we should announce it now while we are meeting with Trump so he will be more supportive of us and not use Twitter to tank our stocks!
The media normalized Donald Trump who wasn't serious about winning the presidency. Now we got a 70-year-old man-child in the White House who is running the government into the ground (that's not a compliment).
Mostly because they were in states that are blue & more scared for their job than they are from trump.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
This is not a new strategy for Intel. Trump can make political capital by highlighting this, while it's great marketing for Intel.
Although it's good news for US jobs, it will naturally displease Intel and Trumps competitors/enemies.
Trump credited with Intels decision to continue work on AZ fab plant.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/n...
RENO — The massive Tesla battery factory being built in Northern Nevada will be a thirsty resident, with some preliminary estimates saying it will require the equivalent of nearly half of the groundwater rights allocated to its Tahoe-Reno Industrial Center neighborhood.
The project, the cherry atop Gov. Brian Sandoval’s economic development agenda to date, promises high-paying jobs and a diversification from a long-sagging gambling economy to one powered by high-tech manufacturing and technology.
But the $5 billion, 5 million-square-foot facility going up just down the road from Reno-Sparks in Storey County exemplifies the challenges of balancing economic growth with the availability of natural resources needed to sustain it.
State and local economic development officials say through smart use of technology and recycling the most precious resource — water — the region is up to the task.
Skeptics, while not opposed to the huge project per se, question whether there’s as much water as projected in the basin along the Truckee River to meet demands without harming the river and downstream users.
Perhaps the Flying Spaghetti Monster agreed to detour around the plant if the Intel CEO cozied up to Trump. We just don't know! YOU DECIDE!
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
Or maybe it's that at $2.1/million/job, there isn't so much to be saved going elsewhere.
Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
I know you're trying to do yet more painting of Trump in a bad light by spreading "fake news" and "alternative facts"
Nobody needs to paint Trump, he does that very well on his own. He literally is the greatest at it.
Heck, look at how many times he has had to backtrack on what he said previously. If you don't know, then you are just another peasant that's been conned into voting for someone who does not have your best interest at heart.
Still better than the alternative was.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Of course you have no proof of your accusations.
I'd guess the H1-B visa system will have one of two possible primary biases.
Primary Bias A: Visas are harder to get, and some "key innovators", really smart people that even most morons would agree should work here, can't get a visa.
Primary Bias B: Visas are too easy to get, and a lot of run-of-the-mill IT jobs get outsourced, costing people their jobs.
What's wrong with having Primary Bias A?
The number of actual key innovators is numerically small and presumably they are filling high-end jobs and have significant resources lobbying on their behalf, increasing the chance they will ultimately get in. And by default you are making it much harder to outsource potentially thousands of good-paying "information age" jobs through visa abuse.
It seems like we have a choice -- we can protect many American jobs by making visas tougher to get, potentially risking that some smart guy doesn't get to work for an American multinational that buries its profits in Ireland. Or we can make them easy, bulk import foreigners, outsource jobs and render Americans unemployed on the outside chance that 1 in every 10,000 we import is some genius who makes a bunch of multinational executives fabulously wealthy.
Sounds like a hard choice.
You are incredibly stupid. Intel has been building fabs in Chandler AZ for literally decades now, so obviously these aren't problems. Power is dirt cheap in AZ, and water is too (that's why they have so many "water features"), though you could argue that the water situation is not sustainable. Land is cheap too. AZ hasn't had an earthquake in forever; it's very geologically stable. There's no natural disasters there ever, unless you count dust storms. And it's close to California and the port of LA.
Workers wit "better moral and work ethics"? Apparently not workers who are educated in the English language if you're an example of them. If upper-midwest workers were so great, then that region would be competing with California. Guess what? It's not; it's a backwater.
And milder weather? You're a moron. It never snows in Phoenix, so they never have problems transporting product in and out. Snowstorms are common in the midwest and upper midwest.
How will this help the poor white folks of OH, WV, MI, and IN? Wait, they wouldn't have the skills to work there anyway.
3-4 years from now, competitors will already be on 5nm process, so Intel's finished 7nm plant won't be using the latest process. If production starts more on the 3-year side, they might be releasing 7nm chips a few months before AMD releases 5nm chips. Regardless, AMD will be on 7nm in 2 years, and if Ryzen is as competitive as rumors say, then Intel will be 1-2 years late. Assuming of course that this Fab 42 is Intel's first 7nm plant. They may end up using it to produce chipsets rather than 7nm CPUs that're being manufactured at another plant years earlier.
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
All successes in jobs in this country will be hailed as due to fear of tweet.
All jobs that move offshore will be 'pfft' -- stink jobs, that leave bad taste in my mouth.
It is best if you read this message as if Russian politburo babushka who has seen it all and is no longer impressed.
>>"ad space available -- low rates!!!"
If that's the dumbest thing you've seen today, then you must have missed Trump using the POTUS official twitter account to attack a company for having the audacity to make a business decision affecting his daughter.
It's not speculation anymore, Trump has PROVEN he will use his position as POTUS to punish companies on a whim. So speculating that this was done out of fear is not crazy. Not anymore.
Mostly because they're beholden to the teacher's unions.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
ShariaBlue
Fab 12 opened in 1996, and I suspect they will close that when Fab 42 opens, so there might not be any actual net increase in employers once construction is complete.
They have 4 fabs in AZ.
There are infrastructure advantages to having FABS near each other for supply chain reasons,
That is exactly why news like this needs to be censored since it helps Trump. This should not have been posted to /.
This is why we would would prefer discussing technology to politics in this forum.
Because there is never any name-calling in the tech-related comments?
WTB [sig], PST!!!
I will end wars in the middle east.
I will close Gitmo
You will be able to keep your doctor and your insurance
We will fund shovel ready jobs
This will be the most transparent and honest administration ever
We will be able to lower the seas.
Do I really need to go on? The fact that you all seem to need to make up stories every day about how bad Trump is, instead of reporting the truth about him, makes me think he isn't all that bad. Its the opposite of last president where he would tell a woman that her mother shouldn't get medical treatment and take a pain pill instead and the media pretended it didn't happen.
No one is any longer convinced of your crap.
Of course you have no proof of your accusations.
Sure I do. Just read the news. Something new comes out of everyday to support my accusations.
This has nothing directly to do with Trump. The world is forcing the US to transition to a UN mediated fixed exchange rate system with a supranational reserve currency that will function like Keynes' Bancor. The USD will drop in value, which will make imports much more expensive (probably around 20%, which is greater than most profit margins).
To the extent Trump is a part of this, it is because Congress has for 10 years dragged their feet to enact appropriate measures, and there will likely be a great deal of pain in the short term. Trump both distracts the populace from this huge problem, particularly with stupid shit like Devos. I mean, look at yourself. The Department of Education shouldn't even exist. Education has only gotten worse since it was created, in my lifetime and I'm not old. Sure, she's a stupid choice and her nonsense about school vouchers couldn't be more ridiculous. But, at the end of the day, education is a local matter and what she believes or desires is irrelevant.
I've seen half an ep of BBT, hated it, never watched it again. Couldn't tell you which character is 'Sheldon Cooper' even tho I've heard the name.
- Different AC from GP
Still better than the alternative was.
Hillary was safe and predictable. Trump is not. OTOH, I'm going to do quite well when the stock market corrects and/or crashes in the near future.
But clearly not the children of their constituents.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
It is known that BK has a hard on for Trump and the Intel workforce hate him for it and call him out for involving Intel in partisan politics.
Hilary was predictable. I'm not so sure about safe.
Trump's election was because he was unpredictable. When the predictable option is bad, the unpredictable one is at least a ray of hope.
Of course he's now doing everything he can to smash that hope, but it was there long enough to get him into office.
Hillary was more predictable, but not safe in any way. She was predictably going to ignore the constitution, grow federal power and skate by on lies regarding her crimes, now she will likely get some justice.
The current .com bubble is going to pop, no matter who's in charge. But the huge correction will be in China.
The real key is the Supreme Court. Which is now safe for at least another 20+ years. Which means we won't have to shoot the bastards.
Also note: Any SC justices only have to be less openly partisan the Sotomayor. A very low bar to pass. Going to be particularly fun watching Ginsburg's replacement.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Cancer is also predictable.
And they were found guilty of bribing vendors not to use AMD chips.
Intel partners with software companies, and gets them to use their compiler that switches off optimizations on non-Intel CPUs 'just because...' regardless of capabilities.
And now they're pushing Trump's deregulation pro-pollution agenda. That's the last straw from these crooked people.
Who cares about children, they can't vote.
By the time they can vote, Christian charter schools will have them well educated to understand the advantages of voting for big businesses. There's plenty of time to fix that problem.
this announcement - https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/president-obama-visits-intels-oregon-research-and-manufacturing-site-highlights-education-jobs-and-innovation/
or this announcement - http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/2011-03-28-intel-manufacturing.htm
or this one - http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/18/nation/la-naw-obama-otellini-20110219
Seems like Intel is just making sure they aren't the target of regulation (or are the beneficiary of better taxes) by directly or indirectly throwing the president an economic bone. It's smart business in the USA (for like the last 200 years or so), even if everyone loves to hate Trump right now (any new president for that matter).
There is nothing President Trump can do that some media out there won't paint as badly for him as fast as possible. If Trump had personally financed a subsidiary, the NYT would still find some dog shit to smear him with. Where's the bright side of media? The puff pieces they put out that at least give Americans hope their country is still the greatest place to live? These Media wars are so bad, it's like watching that scene in The Godfather when Michael says "We have reporters on payroll, we can paint this cop as a crooked cop". Here, it's the parties that are the rackets, and Trump is just the next cop on the street.
What crimes?
Only from the emacs-culated.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
I'm not tired of all this winning!
When it comes to the Presidency unpredictability is extremely bad. Can you imagine how the Cuban missile crisis would have played out if the President then wasn't predictable?
For me it just seems like there is a sizeable population that has no sense of history. A lot of rules we decided not to break in the 60's are suddenly up for grabs in the modern era. Why could we defeat the reds then without torture but now we have to resort to it?
Trump's belligerence makes America just look weak. The world knows we don't have the resources to go to war with everybody so that why you see China testing boundaries to make him look bad. Russia will do the same, so will Iran, they have all done it and will do it a whole lot more now.
Obama's perhaps biggest mistake as President was drawing a red line and saying no further without backing up his statement. There were a lot of political ramifications for going further but thats why you don't make the first statement.
Trumps big mistake is threatening everybody so America ceases to look like the good guy in any of our foreign involvements.
The old way was that employers would pinky swear that there were no Americans to fill the jobs, and the regulatory agencies could audit it (but very rarely did).
The new way is you get priority by offering a salary higher than those "just out of school" data scientists normally make. You say you want "data scientists, and good ones". Fine, you can have them, you just have to pay a salary commensurate with "data scientists, and good ones". And you DON'T have to go into a lottery against Infosys with their applications for underpaid code monkeys.
Specifically, the priority level of your application is:
(The salary you're offering) / (The average salary of data scientists in your area).
So if you want good ones, pay a good salary and you get them - without having to win the H1-B lottery.
Hire 3,000 refugees? That's a lot of Starbucks trips!
Remind me again when the government and its representatives didn't punish or reward companies based on their current policies?
It's not about Trump, but people being so worried about their jobs, they're willing to vote on trump to get em.
Listen folks this had NOTHING to do with Trump. It was only announced with Trump and there is even photos online of them announcing it together. They were going to do this anyways and Trump is usually always present when Intel makes announcements. Folks don't believe the constant stream of news articles announcing new jobs for America after an executive meets with Trump, its all coincidence! Folks Trump probably doesn't even cross the minds of these companies and their executives when they make decisions. I mean what power does Trump even have in America?
-NY times
I clearly remember Bushitler, so Trump must be Hitler 3.0.
When they came for the communists, I said "He's next door. Take him away. Goddam commies."
Oh, no, he TWITTERED THEM. He attacked them with Twitter. Say it ain't so! Quick, get out while you can!
When they came for the communists, I said "He's next door. Take him away. Goddam commies."
There is some reason to believe that the US will be a more business-friendly place during the lifespan of this fab, i.e. lower taxes and fewer draconian regulations. Ireland has ceased being a tax haven due to EU pressures, and any place with a high Muslim population is a risk for physical damage. Intel has had 3 months to weigh the pros and cons, and a Trump administration may have been enough to tip the balance to Arizona.
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One of them was Lisa Murkowski (sp?) of Alaska.
Alaska is pretty red.
The other was from maine which split between clinton and trump.
MAYBE they voted the way they did because they actually have a conscience.
When you reduce it to nothing more than craven self-interest you encourage the worst behavior since there is no upside to ever being principled.
Fuck you vi faggot
Ooh! Ooh! I'm bleeding from that tongue lashing.
Look here, snowflake: words are not punishment.
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I think you overdosed on cum. Relax, put all those huge dirty black dicks down and drink some water.
The UN fairies are forcing nothing. When the US stops supporting the UN, the UN will dissipate like a kicked puffball.
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Trump's nominations for department heads, and those already confirmed, are as a group the best in the last 190 years. He's a patriot. He's the first President since Reagan who has an understanding of economics and power politics. His picks especially stand in contrast to Obama's p(r)icks, who were explicitly dedicated to destroying America's culture, economy, freedom, and military strength.
You, on the other hand, can't see beyond your ideology.
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Treason. Influence peddling. Perjury.
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Deregulation is already happening at regulatory bodies falling under the executive branch. The FCC rolled back the zero-rating prohibition and dropped the inquiries into AT&T and Verizon for previous violations. Trump's executive orders are weakening financial regulation:
The executive order affecting Dodd-Frank is vague in its wording and expansive in its reach. It never mentions the law by name, instead laying out “core principles” for regulations that include empowering American investors and enhancing the competitiveness of American companies. Even so, it gives the Treasury the authority to restructure major provisions of Dodd-Frank, and it directs the Treasury secretary to make sure existing laws align with administration goals.
Mr. Trump’s action on the fiduciary rule, which Democrats and consumer groups immediately denounced as a gift to Wall Street, could have a more concrete impact. His memorandum directs the Labor Department to review whether the rule may “adversely affect” investors’ ability to access financial advice — and if it does, it authorizes the agency to rescind and revise the rule.
If you doubt that further environmental, business, and consumer regulatory cutbacks are on the way you are in for a surprise.
They won't shut down fab 12 because they're currently working in interconnecting fab 12, 32, and 42.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/opinion/melania-trump-inc-imperiled.html
Oh bullshit. The checks and balances built into the American political system seem to be working just fine.
Electoral college fail
Treason. Influence peddling. Perjury.
Treason: If it was as simple as giving aid and comfort to our enemies, then Trump is guilty. Putin certainly loves him and help get him elected.
Influence peddling: You think the Trump's aren't using this to directly enrich themselves? Really? The clinton foundation was at least somewhat transparent.
Perjury: Sadly he hasn't been under oath yet, though he should be guilty because of his blatant and continual flat out lies to the people who elected him..
Trump's nominations for department heads, and those already confirmed, are as a group the best in the last 190 years. He's a patriot. He's the first President since Reagan who has an understanding of economics and power politics. His picks especially stand in contrast to Obama's p(r)icks, who were explicitly dedicated to destroying America's culture, economy, freedom, and military strength.
As we say in California, "What are you smoking and where can I get some?"
You, on the other hand, can't see beyond your ideology.
What ideology would that be?
Mr. Trumpâ(TM)s action on the fiduciary rule, which Democrats and consumer groups immediately denounced as a gift to Wall Street, could have a more concrete impact. His memorandum directs the Labor Department to review whether the rule may "adversely affect" investors' ability to access financial advice — and if it does, it authorizes the agency to rescind and revise the rule.
The fiduciary rule would have saved consumers $17B per year by forcing financial advisers to consider the best interest of their client and not themselves. You're okay with Wall Street ripping you off in your retirement accounts?
They also might find a customer for Fab 12.
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I'm with you on this, and I agree with a post near mine that points out that Clinton is no Elizabeth Warren.
However, I think Trump will be great medicine for America.
Let's swing that goddam needle all the way to the right and get it out of our collective systems.
I'm 71 years old, and a political junkie. This is all amazing.
Things are getting wild at the speed of dark.
Popcorn stock is up.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Hillary had more baggage than a goddam airport.
She was Obama 2.0 (so, I'm agreeing with you).
The real risk-takers now are the Republicans and the Trump private portfolios.
2018 should be interesting.
I am making no predictions.
I totally blew up my political credibility this election cycle.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
We don't have any enemies. The last list of enemies was World War II.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Especially Daily Mail
Wikipedia Bans Daily Mail As 'Unreliable' Source
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It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Trump DOES get credit for this, Intel lobbied hard to get Dodd-Frank repealed and Trump is going to do so. Intel gives credit to Trump for jobs while Intel gets to buy conflict minerals again.
https://boingboing.net/2017/02/08/leak-trump-will-allow-us-comp.html
+1 for big business. -1 for the good of humanity. Fits Trump's intentions perfectly.
Treason: Hillary took BRIBES from RUSSIA to sell them uranium. Yes, Hillary took BRIBES from RUSSIA to sell them uranium.
Influence peddling: Hillary took BRIBES from RUSSIA to sell them uranium. One more time... Hillary took BRIBES from RUSSIA to sell them uranium.
Perjury: She was under oath to Congress and lied about her email server. Yes, lying under oath to Congress is perjury.
Now if you would like to list specifics of Trump doing anything even a fraction as bad as taking bribes to set State Department policy, I would love to hear them.
In addition, Hillary was also calling for a no-fly zone over Syria, which Putin had said he would not obey. That means she was advocating for a SHOOTING WAR with Russia. Let me repeat that for you slow leftist... Hillary was advocating for a SHOOTING WAR with Russia while running for president.
Again, I think attempting to be friendly with Russia to get rid of ISIS is a MUCH more reasonable path that starting a SHOOTING WAR with them because they are not killing the correct people.
Intel has always built new fabs and then pawned off the old ones on startups who can't afford to operate them who then close them down letting go whatever staff Intel didn't keep.
Don't forget over 100 felony counts of deliberate security compromise. Putting classified information onto an unclassified network is a felony. At the least it is the felony of failure to protect (which has no intent requirement, an accidental compromise is still a crime) but the scope of the violations indicates it was not accidental but intentional disregard for the laws pertaining to the proper handling of classified information.
The ratings may have gone nothing but upl for the BBT, but the quality has been constantly declining since at least the end of season two. It's just not as funny as it just to be, not enough geek / nerd content and too many love stories. ;-)
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Says the vi-rgin.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Those are just idiot fees for people who don't manually oversee their own investments in low cost index funds. We love taking advantage of idiots in this country, cough, ahem.
States with teachers unions have, on average, better schools. So unions don't seem to be killing schools. So what's wrong with them?
https://www.washingtonpost.com...
What comes first, finding a teacher or becoming a student?
Huh. It's almost as if this is just about the political indoctrination of children, and not education at all!
It's clear our schools have simply becomes tools for right-wing nazi indoctrination. We need to purge the last remaining 3 school teachers who aren't democrats so our education system can get back to what it was meant to do: turn out highly educated Gender Studies and Transafrican Demieskimo Theory majors ready to enter the workforce.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Those are just idiot fees for people who don't manually oversee their own investments in low cost index funds.
Millions of people have no choice but to participate in the Wall Street casino since corporations moved away from pensions to 401Ks. While corporations saved billions in yearly costs, future retirees are losing billions in yearly fees.
We love taking advantage of idiots in this country, cough, ahem.
Which is why government regulations are needed.
yes, I am plainly expressing the justification that large amounts of US citizenry accept. It is ok to use power, leverage, and expertise to steal.
Especially Daily Mail
Wikipedia Bans Daily Mail As 'Unreliable' Source
Does it really matter in today's fact free political environment?
One of them was Lisa Murkowski (sp?) of Alaska.
Alaska is pretty red.
And recently governed by Sarah Palin. I'm out of mod points, but I'm still bumping this AC because s/he has a good point. The rest follows:
The other was from maine which split between clinton and trump.
MAYBE they voted the way they did because they actually have a conscience.
When you reduce it to nothing more than craven self-interest you encourage the worst behavior since there is no upside to ever being principled.
Only 20 to 40% of Americans think the NYTimes is unbiased ... so why are they the score keepers on this.
And why is the premise that unless the government is forking out money Trump had no say in it. This presupposes government corruption is what fuels and improves the economy (when the US became a world power long before there was a FED or any other federal government economic aparatus).
Not an honest question, you are wasting your time arguing with a brick.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Do the added jobs include the ones lost when they shut down their oldest fab, #12, which produces 65nm and is located in ... Chandler, Arizona?
Probably not much.
People who are interested in fact-checked news from sources that have actual journos know where to go.
Those who prefer to live in the warm, comfortable, bubble of confirmation bias are not going to go there.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Well, where is the responsibility from Trump to the truth or the facts? Someone who does NOTHING but LIE all day long probably doesn't get much credibility from an organization ostensibly trying to get at the truth. The one thing we can all learn from this: While all politicians are liars for stretching and spinning what the truth is, we have someone now setting new lows for outright falsehoods and intentional misstatements of fact. So maybe the same old corruption ain't bad after all in comparison with outright horseshit.
Or would you care to state EXACTLY what President Trump had to do with Intel's decision to reignite construction on a plant started some years ago? Krzanich is just sucking Trump's cock so Trump can splooge in the face of the American people. Again. That's the truth.
Hillary was safe? I really don't think so because...
Hillary has internalized a combination of 2 very very dangerous ideas:
a) the US is strong enough to dictate terms to everybody including the Russians and Chine (simply untrue)
b) the US needs to police/control the entire world
Couple that with the fact that she flatout stated that the US would try to enforce a no-fly zone in Syria if she became president, despite US military having pointed out that would require us to go to war with russia
I honestly think there was a 80%+ chance that Hillary would've started WWIII
Oh bullshit. The checks and balances built into the American political system seem to be working just fine.
HRC campaign fail
FTFY. As if she and the DNC didn't know how the system works. She didn't set foot in Wisconsin...why?
Just another day in Paradise
Fuck if I know, or care. Most likely because stupid people don't fucking matter. Wisconsin's are primarily Republicans who aren't willing to take their own advice and pick themselves up by their own boot-straps, like they expect brown people to. If the jobs in your field have dried up, then go learn a new fucking skill, or move to where the jobs are, rather than have your government artificially prop up a dying industry, like they're trying to do for the coal miners.
Anyway, the facts are:
1) Nobody voted for Trump - they were only voting against Hillary.
2) Trump's own party didn't even want him.
3) Three fucking-MILLION more people voted for her.
So, yeah, the electoral college had a chance to keep this mad-man out of the presidency and failed to do so.
I know you ever be able to admit to your buyer's remorse. You've got to keep up the pretense that this fucking bull-in-a-china-shop has got the slightest clue what he is doing. I mean, I'm sure you're smart enough to see through all his lies telling you otherwise. But it's still better than that crooked, fucking Hillary Clinton, innit? *wink* *wink*
I guess, in your eyes, it's preferable to have a lying, narcissistic, sexual-predative, con-artist destroy the country.
Funny, but I dont' remember the entire country^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hworld getting out in the streets and protesting everything Obama did. Do you?
I honestly think there was a 80%+ chance that Hillary would've started WWIII
Uh, no. This WWIII nonsense started after Trump won the election and his supporters tried to dispute the perception that Trump would probably start WWIII by accident. He's doing a fine job in pissing off allies and making enemies happy.