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Republicans Are Reportedly Using a Self-Destructing Message App To Avoid Leaks (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Trump administration members and other Republicans are using the encrypted, self-destructing messaging app Confide to keep conversations private in the wake of hacks and leaks, according to Jonathan Swan and David McCabe at Axios. Axios writes that "numerous senior GOP operatives and several members of the Trump administration" have downloaded Confide, which automatically wipes messages after they're read. One operative told Axios that the app "provides some cover" for people in the party. He ties it to last year's hack of the Democratic National Committee, which led to huge and damaging information dumps of DNC emails leading up to the 2016 election. But besides outright hacks, the source also said he liked the fact that Confide makes it difficult to screenshot messages, because only a few words are shown at a time. That suggests that it's useful not just for reducing paper trails, but for stopping insiders from preserving individual messages -- especially given the steady flow of leaks that have come out since Trump took office. As Axios notes, official White House business is subject to preservation rules, although we don't know much about who's allegedly using Confide and what they're doing with it, so it's not clear whether this might run afoul of those laws. It's also difficult to say how much this is a specifically Republican phenomenon, and how much is a general move toward encryption.

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  1. Isn't this illegal? by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Aren't they required to conduct all government business on government systems? Didn't Hilary got a whole lot of crap (and lose an election) over this?

    Welp, they're in charge so I guess they get to make the rules, but did they even bother to change the laws first?

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    1. Re:Isn't this illegal? by quantaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Aren't they required to conduct all government business on government systems? Didn't Hilary got a whole lot of crap (and lose an election) over this?

      Welp, they're in charge so I guess they get to make the rules, but did they even bother to change the laws first?

      Trump and the GOP are hypocrites?

      That's unpossible!

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    2. Re:Isn't this illegal? by Carewolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Aren't they required to conduct all government business on government systems? Didn't Hilary got a whole lot of crap (and lose an election) over this?

      Welp, they're in charge so I guess they get to make the rules, but did they even bother to change the laws first?

      Yes, it is. And what Hillary was accused of by the Republicans.

      But.. Hillary's emails.

    3. Re:Isn't this illegal? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Aren't they required to conduct all government business on government systems?

      Yes, if it is Government business. If is GOP/politcal party business, then no.

      Didn't Hilary got a whole lot of crap (and lose an election) over this?

      Yes, because she did Government communications over non-Governmental systems.

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    4. Re:Isn't this illegal? by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think we live in an age where those breaking the rules no longer even pretend that they should. I was reading a Conservative Catholic forum a few minutes ago where they're demanding the Ninth Circuit Court justices be impeached for the audacity of challenging edicts from on high. I'm beginning to see the kinds of people that empowered the Bolsheviks, Brown Shirts, Khmer Rouge and all the other dictatorships out there, people who believe any challenge to the leader's authority is effectively a high crime.

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    5. Re: Isn't this illegal? by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When was Hillary Clinton POTUS so she could do these terrible things from her high position of power that you speak of.

      Seriously, you're left defending Trump by creating an imaginary Hillary Clinton presidency to point to. But it doesn't work like that. Trump claimed to be draining the swamp, but I guess what he really meant is that he was going to make a new swamp, twice is smelly and with him right at the moment.

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    6. Re:Isn't this illegal? by msauve · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Citation needed.

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    7. Re:Isn't this illegal? by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, McCain, at the sunset of his political career, clearly is in a "I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks" kind of mood, and while McConnell remains somewhat deferential, he doesn't seem at all thrilled with the Administration either. Mind you, that really was the intent of the Senate, that Senators' longer terms and one-third per election was meant as a partial insulator of the sort of electoral winds that preoccupy the House and the White House.

      Still, you're right. The GOP leadership have become a sort of modern group of von Papens, staring on impotently in disbelief as the new leader shocks and awes everyone. The chief difference is of course the historical leader I speak of actually seemed to have some notion of what he's doing, whereas Trump literally does seem to be stumbling around blindly. That shocks me because we've all been told countless times what brilliant people the likes of Bannon and Conway are, and yet, as so often is revealed, those that are skillful at achieving power are often astonishingly bad at its application.

      My prediction is that Conway, Bannon and Spicer are not long for this world. Not only are there rumors floating around that the Kushners are in a tug of war with Bannon, but even without that, Bannon's use of his newfound influence to push through Executive Orders is making Trump look foolish and unprepared, and as we know, nothing is ever Donald Trump's fault, so we know when Trump looks foolish, he looks for fall guys. Just look at Paul Manafort's take.

      If I believed Trump wasn't an idiot, I'd almost wonder if letting Bannon and Conway fuck up so badly was part of a plan that would end in a Trumpesque version of the Night of the Long Knives.

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    8. Re: Isn't this illegal? by currently_awake · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In the private language of Big Business Moguls, "The Swamp" is their name for government interference in their ability to make money.

    9. Re:Isn't this illegal? by dszd0g · · Score: 2, Insightful

      She didn't delete any e-mails. That's a Trump alternative fact. I already posted once in this thread about it:

      https://slashdot.org/comments....

      There is zero evidence that Hillary broke any laws. None of the "classified information" in the e-mails was marked "classified" which is the big difference between those that are prosecuted and those that aren't. For unmarked information, you would have to prove that she was intentionally trying to leak classified information for it to be criminal. Should she have been more careful? Yes. Did she break the law? No.

      Kellyanne Conway on the other hand broke the law on national television. President Pedophile is defending her for it. You don't see Republicans making a big deal about her breaking the law or any of the laws that President Pedophile has broken and been sued for. The media barely covered that he settled the fraud case against him. The media barely covered that he regularly hits on 10-13 year old girls and even discussed wanting to sleep with teenage girls on the Howard Stern show or that he liked to walk in on teenage girls changing and bragged about it.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

      http://www.rollingstone.com/po...

      I have very little respect for people who vote for a pedophile for president.

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    10. Re:Isn't this illegal? by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sure a self-proclaimed socialist would have won an election where almost every voter had been told, taught, and lectured upon, for more than a century that socialism was a dirty word... (and don't forget, yeah, she was obviously the DNC's choice, but ordinary Democrats generally preferred her. If you can't get the left of American center voters to support a so-called socialist

      I think it's reasonable to suggest the emails were a tipping point. She was 6-10 points ahead of Trump in the polls just before Comey made his infamous intervention in the election.

      But so were a lot of other tipping points. The emails were a part of a ridiculous 25 year smear campaign against the Clintons, and other smears, from the constant accusations of murder to the Benghazi nonsense, and factor in context-free dump of Podesta emails and you had a lot of things that, had any one of them not happened, might have lead to a slim Clinton victory.

      Bernie may not have had that baggage, but I really don't think your racist uncle was going to vote for him.

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    11. Re: Isn't this illegal? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just stop the crap over President Trump's "botched" raid in Yemen. Please tell me that you are smart enough to realize that raid was planned during Obama's tenure, not Trump's. Yes he approved it but the military started planning under Obama.

      It is being reported that the way the military sold Trump on doing this botched raid is by saying "Obama wouldn't do it". So, it was a matter of Cheeto Benito wanting to look tough in his first days in office and ended up getting people killed.

      If it had happened under Obama, the House would be holding Benghazi-style hearings.

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  2. I wonder by TFlan91 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder if they still want that backdoor to that encryption sitting there for someone to stumble on...

  3. no, it's not illegal by ooloorie · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Aren't they required to conduct all government business on government systems?

    Government business, not party business.

    Didn't Hilary got a whole lot of crap (and lose an election) over this?

    Hillary "got a whole lot of crap" for a couple of things.

    (1) She tried to circumvent public record keeping requirements by using a private E-mail server for government business.

    (2) She received classified documents on her private E-mail server, shared the documents with unauthorized people, and was responsible for exposing those documents to hostile governments.

    (3) She destroyed evidence.

    (4) Hillary also used private E-mail for party business, which is legal. What got her in trouble there was that her security was poor, that her mail got leaked as a result, and that it contained lots of politically embarrassing and damaging information.

    There is no evidence that Trump or the GOP are doing any of this. Furthermore, the only possible use of an app like Confide would be for purpose (1), but that is something government officials can already achieve simply by making a phone call or meeting in person.

  4. Re:That's becoming a meme by BundesSheep · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's funny how having different opinions on various topics now sounds so outrageous to a lot of people. Maybe it is, in this world of media bubbles.

  5. Re:Don't care anymore by Faluzeer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it's Republicans doing it so it's OK.

    Whilst I believe you are being facetious, your post outlines the problems with partisan political supporters (of all sides), they consider something to be wrong only if it is done by those they don't support.

  6. Re:That's becoming a meme by arbiter1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Only democrat's claim there was nothing actionable, but ask the people been jailed for mishandling classified information if they feel the same?

  7. If you're doing nothing wrong by HalAtWork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "If you're doing nothing wrong then you've got nothing to hide"... is that how the saying goes?

  8. Errrrrrrr by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Quick question: Doesn't this violate the government regulations regarding destruction of records?

    https://www.justice.gov/usam/c...
    and:
    https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen...

    After all, if Trump’s tweets are now presidential records (and, by law, they are), wouldn't these also be included under those rules?

    "Federal records may not be destroyed-except in accordance with the procedures described in Chapter 33 of Title 44, United States Code. These procedures allow for records destruction only under the authority of a records disposition schedule approved by the Archivist of the United States. NARA issues a General Records Schedule (GRS) that gives record descriptions of records that are common to most Federal agencies and authorizes record disposals for temporary records."

    Yes, yes, I know, "But Hillary Hillary Hillary....", right, I get it, but if her doing it was illegal (and I think it was), how can this be legal?

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  9. Congress controls agencies, not the President by raymorris · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think what GP means is this:

    Most government agencies, such as the FCC, FTC, and FBI, act on the authorization of *Congress*. Congress made a law creating the FCC, and granted the FCC certain powers. Congress can do that because the Constitution gives them that power. When Congress created the FCC, they also put limits on it. The a law, passed by Congress, that says "the FCC can regulate phone companies, and when they do, they must preserve their records according to a, b, and c. So these federal agencies created by Congress have to operate the way Congress specifies. Congress can create records retention rules for the agencies they create.

    On the other hand, the Presidency was *not* created by Congress. The President gets his authority directly from the Constitution. The Constitution gives the President the power to control the military, to conduct international relations, etc - without asking Congress for permission. Because the Constitution gives the President certain powers, Congress has no authority to say "you can't do that unless you do it our way". The President can conduct his Constitutional authority in any way he sees fit. The Constitution says he's commander in chief of the military, so Congress has no authority to say that he must send all military orders using this system or that system.

    Other Presidential powers *are* granted by Congress, and can therefore be regulated by Congress, so *in theory* they could regulate how he uses those powers, but the courts, the Congress, and the President traditionally are leery of interfering with *how* the other branch internally conducts their business. They argue about policy, the fight about what laws to make across the nation, but the vice-president (officially the president of the Senate) doesn't comment on the Senate rules of how they operate internally, and the President doesn't tell the courts how to publish rulings, and Congress doesn't tell the president which messaging system to use.

    Picking a fight about that stuff internal to another branch is wasteful and counter-productive. If Congress decided to tell the President which messaging apps to use, he could turn around and have VP Pence, who is Constitutionally President of the Senate, start picking at the Senate's internal process. It's not worth it.

    1. Re:Congress controls agencies, not the President by Xabraxas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem with that argument is that there are a ton of people in the White House who are NOT the President. None of this applies to them. It only applies to the President. Congress can certainly enact laws that govern what members of the White House staff can and cannot do.

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  10. Re:Don't care anymore by coastwalker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whether it is right or wrong all criminal organisations adopt a policy of destroying records. That way there is no incriminating evidence left lying around. Trump certainly knows how to behave like a gangster.

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  11. Re:Just not lie scheme and cheat ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's excellent reasoning when applied to government though. They work for us, and virtually everything they do ought to be open to scrutiny with the exception of genuine national security reasons.

    And no, national security shouldn't apply arbitrarily based upon what the government thinks is going to embarrass them, they should have to go to court and get a judge to sign off on the records needing to be protected.

  12. Re:Don't care anymore by TrumpShaker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Too bad not everyone is like you.