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How UPS Trucks Saved Millions of Dollars By Eliminating Left Turns (ndtv.com)

Some people probably already know this, but for those who don't: UPS truck drivers don't take left turns, and despite this usually resulting in longer route, they are saving millions of dollars in fuel costs. From a report: The company decided on eliminating left turns (or right turns in left-hand driving countries such as India) wherever possible after it found that drivers have to sit idly in the trucks while waiting to take the left turn to pass through traffic. So, it created an algorithm that eliminated left turns from drivers' routes even if meant a longer journey. This meant that drivers do not have to wait in traffic to take a left turn and can take the right turn at junctions. Of course, the algorithm does not entirely eliminate left turns, but the number of left turns taken by UPS trucks is less than 10 percent of all turns made. Turns out that UPS was right -- the idea really paid off. In 2005, a year after it announced that it will minimize left turns, the company said that the total distance covered by its 96,000 trucks was reduced by 747,000km, and 190,000 litres of fuel had been saved. In 2011, Bob Stoffel, a UPS Senior Vice President, told Fortune that the company had reduced distance traveled by trucks by 20.4 million miles, and reduced CO2 emissions by 20,000 metric tons, by not taking left turns. A recent report by The Independent says that the total reduction in distance traveled by UPS trucks now stands at 45.8 million miles, and there are 1,100 fewer trucks in its fleet because of the algorithm. Even by conservative estimates, that's tens of millions of dollar of savings in fuel costs. Senior VP Bob Stoffel explained how it works on CNN a few years ago.

359 comments

  1. Tee hee! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    > Turns out that UPS was right

    I see what you did there.

    1. Re: Tee hee! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3 rights = 1 left turn! Add some blackjack and hookers and now there is a ground breaking algorithm!

    2. Re:Tee hee! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad the article is wrong. I see UPS trucks making left turns all of the time around here.

    3. Re: Tee hee! by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      If you make three rights and start breaking ground, pull BACK on the steering wheel...

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    4. Re: Tee hee! by lgw · · Score: 1

      The voice in my head ... it says "Pull up. Pull up. Pull up." I take the pill to make the voices go away, but they don't, and now I hear "Eject. Eject. Eject."

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    5. Re:Tee hee! by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      10+ yo dup, jeeze. Stretching the idea of "news" pretty far here

    6. Re: Tee hee! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is not that they never make a left turn -- the left turns are a fraction of the total number of turns. And, UPS has been doing this for over a decade -- ancient news and predates Obama.

    7. Re:Tee hee! by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      > Turns out that UPS was right

      I see what you did there.

      It won't work here in Montreal. The city presumes that all pedestrians are color blind, and will attempt to cross the street when there is a lull in the traffic (jay-walk at corners). Ergo, Montreal has no "right turn on red" anywhere in it's jurisdiction (the Island). Off the island, RTOR is normal and savings may be obtained there.
      We also have, in residential areas, speed limits of 30km by schools and parks, and 40km elsewhere. Main streets are maxed at 50km.
      50km is 30mph. 40km is around 25mph, and 30km is 20mph.
      Slower speeds save money,too slow costs.

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    8. Re:Tee hee! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two wrongs don't make a right but three rights make a left!

  2. Something is missing by thsths · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Eliminating left turns to save time at the expense of longer distance is plausible.

    Making the journey shorter by eliminating left turns is not. So what is the article not telling us?

    1. Re:Something is missing by sunking2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Depends on whether shorter is time or distance.

    2. Re:Something is missing by cwatts · · Score: 1

      I agree, it makes no sense! Maybe they save FUEL by driving more miles, and that fuel was the EQUIVALENT of driving 747000 km?

      Yeah, that makes sense. Maybe KellyAnn Conway could explain it to us.

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    3. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps the fact that an algorithm was applied to it _at all_ is what has made journeys shorter.

    4. Re:Something is missing by s1d3track3D · · Score: 1

      Making the journey shorter by eliminating left turns is not.

      Yeah, came here to say that.

      it created an algorithm that eliminated left turns from drivers' routes even if meant a longer journey... In 2005, a year after it announced that it will minimize left turns, the company said that the total distance covered by its 96,000 trucks was reduced by 747,000km, and 190,000 litres of fuel had been save

      So they are taking a longer journey but going less distance? It seems to imply that more gas is used idling than driving.

    5. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you just eliminate left turns, the route gets longer. Since they are stating they also reduced the distance, I'm assuming the algorithm also revised the routes to shorten them up where possible. That the poorly written article by an inexperienced "journalist" should have asked the question to elaborate on the obvious conflict of information.

    6. Re:Something is missing by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I heard this years ago. I think the key is idling time. When you try to turn left, you often need to wait for traffic to clear in both directions before going. While you're doing that, the UPS truck is sitting there burning gas and getting 0 mpg. If the driver makes right turns, they might drive further, but they'll wind up still moving and thus won't be wasting gas waiting on a clearing. By using special mapping software, they can find the ideal route to deliver packages so that the truck is idling as little as possible and uses the minimum amount of gas needed.

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    7. Re:Something is missing by ClickOnThis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Depends on whether shorter is time or distance.

      This. I suspect eliminating left turns results in modestly longer distances but significantly shorter times. And if the time waiting to turn left is significant, then the savings from not burning gas while idling at an intersection could be significant as well.

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    8. Re:Something is missing by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      If elimination of left turns makes the delivery time shorter, the trucks can get more deliveries done each day. This means they need fewer trucks out on the road to make that day's deliveries, which can mean fewer total miles driven for the fleet (less redundancy in routes between multiple trucks, fewer trips between the depot to the start/end of delivery).

    9. Re:Something is missing by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

      They are not telling you that news industry has really gone down hill, losing all the competent writers, doing without any real copy-editors, and basically letting any idiot with internet access write the news.

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    10. Re:Something is missing by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Um, the TFS says the savings is in not leaving the engine idling waiting for a left turn. Taking 3 right turns can be fuel efficient than waiting in idle for left turn. Also there is the time savings. By saving time on each delivery, it means the truck is not out as long.

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    11. Re:Something is missing by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      Depends on whether shorter is time or distance.

      Except the summary and TFA specifically say they drove fewer miles. That does not make sense. They might save gas, they might save time, but how can the distance be shorter? I suspect that this may be a case of incompetent journalism, and the reduced miles was a result of all the efforts at route optimization, rather than just eliminating left turns.

      The GPS in my Honda Odyssey also tries to eliminate left turns. I turned that feature off because it was sometimes doing a ridiculous amount of re-routing to avoid a single left turn. But, overall, the GPS is better at choosing routes than I am. Even on some routes that I drive almost everyday, it has shown me some shortcuts that I was unaware of.

    12. Re:Something is missing by arth1 · · Score: 1

      And if the time waiting to turn left is significant, then the savings from not burning gas while idling at an intersection could be significant as well.

      Many modern vehicles turn the engine off while stopped, eliminating idling.

      But time can be saved by not having to wait for left turns, especially in areas without traffic lights. Modern GPS route programs could benefit from taking this into account, and especially correlated with time of day and traffic. (At 4 AM, you probably won't have to wait to do a turn, but at 4 PM, it might be a significant factor.)

    13. Re:Something is missing by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 3, Informative

      But TFS says:

      the total distance covered by its 96,000 trucks was reduced by 747,000km

      So they're saying that they're reducing distance traveled, which doesn't make any sense from the description. Obviously that's either wrong, or they're leaving something pretty important out that is resulting in less distance traveled.

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    14. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what is the article not telling us?

      One thing the article is not telling us is that UPS drivers never taking left turns is an urban myth. I was just thinking about this last week when walking in my neighborhood. I saw a UPS truck pull away from the curb and then appear again moving in a direction which would have required 3 consecutive left turns.

    15. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shorter period of time, not shorter distance. Left turns = you wait often an entire signal light length and where there are no signals, you can wait indefinitely. This article fails to mention that left turns are ALSO huge liabilities for accidents, because anytime you're making a left turn you're culpable in an accident because you're supposed to defer to oncoming traffic before crossing it. Add speeding, add distraction, it's a huge accident potential and you will always be paying for it if you're the one making the left turn, even if "otherwise" in the right. I imagine if they look at the # of at-fault accidents during the same period it would show a substantial reduction also.

    16. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree, these two statements together make no sense:

      it created an algorithm that eliminated left turns from drivers' routes even if meant a longer journey.
      AND
      the company said that the total distance covered by its 96,000 trucks was reduced by 747,000 km

      They reduced total distance traveled by driving a longer route?

    17. Re:Something is missing by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Good points. And yes, I have noticed that, e.g., Google Maps sometimes takes me on counter-intuitive routes that have longer distances but shorter travel-times, depending on the time of day. However, whether its algorithm weighs left vs. right turns is not clear to me.

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    18. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      This. I suspect eliminating left turns results in modestly longer distances but significantly shorter times.

      Then you suspect wrong. From TFS:

      In 2005, a year after it announced that it will minimize left turns, the company said that the total distance covered by its 96,000 trucks was reduced by 747,000km, and 190,000 litres of fuel had been saved. In 2011, Bob Stoffel, a UPS Senior Vice President, told Fortune that the company had reduced distance traveled by trucks by 20.4 million miles, and reduced CO2 emissions by 20,000 metric tons, by not taking left turns.

    19. Re:Something is missing by Marc_Hawke · · Score: 1

      This is as good a theory as any. They mention they were able to reduce fleet.

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    20. Re:Something is missing by Jaime2 · · Score: 1

      Can't be. The summary says the total distance covered by their trucks was reduced by 747,000km.

    21. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The summary claims that they reduced travel distance. The obvious conclusion is that they changed from someone (maybe the driver) laying out the route by eye to laying out the routes by analysis, and including the stricture to reduce left turns. They could probably have made the routes even shorter, but chose to minimize time rather than distance.

    22. Re:Something is missing by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      The newer route algorithms, even minus most left turns, just resulted in shorter routes.

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    23. Re:Something is missing by SirSlud · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, as somebody pointed out, more deliveries per hour = less trucks required per day = less distance traveled by fleet in total. So yes, it does make sense.

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    24. Re:Something is missing by skids · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I suspect they are right: a truck that spends less total time on travel + waiting for left turns makes more deliveries, so there do not need to be as many trucks.

    25. Re:Something is missing by jittles · · Score: 1

      Eliminating left turns to save time at the expense of longer distance is plausible.

      Making the journey shorter by eliminating left turns is not. So what is the article not telling us?

      I'm assuming the distance saved is overall, and by employing a smaller fleet. One truck can cover more area and therefore the total distance is shorter because they can have one truck serving an area that used to be covered by two. So each individual driver is driving a little more, but in the same amount of time that two drivers used to cover the same area.

    26. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what is the article not telling us?

      That it was written by a layperson.

    27. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article also mentions they use fewer trucks. Timed saved at traffic stops translates into a single truck being able to do more work. Since the number of packages does not necessarily increase, fewer trucks are required to do the same amount of work. Of course, you are also assuming some overlap in the truck routes.

    28. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trucks make more deliveries per hour despite the longer distance. This resulted in the need for fewer trucks since presumably the number of packages UPS has to deliver is independent of their driving algorithm. This made the total distance driven by all trucks less than before.

    29. Re:Something is missing by queazocotal · · Score: 1

      Making the journey shorter - for a given truck on a given delivery route is not possible.
      If you have more trucks doing 'more efficient (shorter) ' routes that however need more trucks to complete the deliveries on time, then the balance may swing the other way.
      Because you can plan the journey such as to reduce the driving per package more if you have more packages per route.

    30. Re:Something is missing by aix+tom · · Score: 1

      With all the data Goggle has on moving vehicles, they probably know *that* Route A is faster than route B for a specific time of day, even though they probably don't know *why*

      Every evening at around quitting time I go on Goggle maps to view the traffic data, and only leave work when I see that the congestion that is happening for around 1-2 hours around that time on my route home is gone for the day. Cuts my commute time by about 20-30%, and on some days I then leave work *before* the rush hour.

    31. Re:Something is missing by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

      I suspect they are right: a truck that spends less total time on travel + waiting for left turns makes more deliveries, so there do not need to be as many trucks.

      +1 interesting. You may be on to something.

      AC does have a point, though. Which I missed when I read TFS.

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    32. Re:Something is missing by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Not all left turns are at intersections. Not even at BUSY intersections, which is where the algorithm would be useful. If it routed you in a way where you could take a left turn at an intersection that does not have high traffic, it would save you the time waiting to turn at one that does.

    33. Re:Something is missing by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      Except the summary and TFA specifically say they drove fewer miles.

      They are counting the total distance covered by 96,000 trucks. I'm guessing their algorithm is solving a "travelling saleman" type problem where there are 96,000 salesmen and doing it better than human dispatchers can (or at least did in the past.)

    34. Re:Something is missing by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      No, that makes no sense at all. If there are fewer trucks making the same deliveries, then each truck makes more deliveries, and hence travels further. Since the routing algorithm is specifically optimizing no left turns at the cost of distance traveled, the distance would lengthen, not shorten.

      Obviously, there's a confounding factor here. That could be moving to a better algorithm that reduces distance even as it optimizes for right turns at the cost of distance. However, that means that the gasoline saved is not just from avoiding left turns. TFS says that "total distance covered by its 96,000 trucks was reduced by 747,000km, and 190,000 litres of fuel had been saved", so that's roughly a savings of four km per liter saved. I suspect UPS gets more than four kilometers per liter on its trucks (a top-of-the-head conversion suggests about ten miles per gallon), and if so the amount of gas per mile has gone down.

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    35. Re:Something is missing by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      Except this is not categorically correct. More deliveries per hour means a shorter work day unless other steps are taken, steps which may not always be possible. Even if those steps are taken, total mileage may not always be reduced.

      Anything's possible if you're willing to assume details not provided. That discussion is not interesting.

    36. Re:Something is missing by The-Ixian · · Score: 4, Informative

      I would be willing to bet that drivers often override the algorithm.

      Drivers at UPS are sort of the rock stars of the union. It's all union and seniority so if you are a full time driver, it means you have been lifting boxes for at least 5 years, sometimes more, depending on the hub you are working out of.

      Also, drivers tend to have a high retention because the more senior you are the better the route you can bid for. Some drivers have probably been driving their routes for many years and "know better than any damn computer" how to drive their route.

      I did drive for UPS, but only as a reserve "Saturday Air" driver. My normal role there was as a loader on the night shift.

      Even still, I was subjected to many "time studies" and procedural training in order to maximize efficiency. Example: I was taught to start with the left leg when entering the vehicle, left hand on the door frame or guide rail, right hand holding vehicle key. Swing yourself into the driver's seat, check your mirrors, right foot on brake, left foot release parking brake, right hand turns the ignition while left hand grabs the seat belt and fastens it. All said and done, the time it takes from the moment you put your left foot on the step to the time you are pulling out should be no more than 8 seconds.

      So, the right turn efficiency story not only doesn't surprise me, I would expect it to be the result of thousands of hours of efficiency studies on the subject.

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    37. Re: Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They can have fewer trucks because of the increased efficiency. So even though each truck travels farther the total distance traveled by all trucks combined is much less.

    38. Re:Something is missing by Fragnet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The engine is still running whilst you're waiting. My own personal experience of sitting waiting in traffic has over the years taught me the following: "there's always some cunt who wants to turn right" (left if you drive on the wrong side of the road, i.e. USA). It would often be quicker to turn left, go around the roundabout and drive straight past the junction you were sitting at in the first place, before you'd have been able to turn there.

      I'm serious by the way. I use that saying at least once a day.

    39. Re:Something is missing by ChrisMaple · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Part of the distance traveled by a UPS truck is going from the distribution center to the delivery area. If some trips are eliminated entirely, those parts of the trips come off the total even as mileage inside the delivery area increases slightly.

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    40. Re: Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe Kelly Anne could read for you... Genius.

      "total distance covered by its 96,000 trucks was reduced by 747,000km"

    41. Re:Something is missing by EvilSS · · Score: 4, Interesting

      UPS actually sells their route planning software to third parties. I was working for a large consumer products company a while back and they purchased it. Huge PITA to setup but it worked.

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    42. Re:Something is missing by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      What about the safety pre check?

    43. Re: Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because more trucks inevitably have to drive the same routes before hitting their destination. You're not very smart. You're a Hitlery supporter aren't you.

    44. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. There is no conspiracy to keep your package at the distribution center. All packages available go out every day. The parent post should not be modded informative. Go ahead and ask any UPS employee. There are no packages to be sent out after the trucks are loaded in the morning.

    45. Re:Something is missing by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Route optimization.

      The savings have nothing to do with eliminating left turns, they have to do with how they eliminated left turns, specifically they poured a fortune into software that would optimize routes.

      We can safely assume this because if they'd had used the same software before the left turn elimination project, then that software would either have created even more efficient routes, or in the unlikely event No Left Turns really is optimal, would have created routes that already had left turns eliminated.

      It's a little like claiming "By eliminating my cancer, my weight problem disappeared!" when it turned out the treatment for cancer the patient used also results in a weight loss.

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    46. Re:Something is missing by EvilSS · · Score: 2

      Something not mentioned in the summary is that reducing left turns also reduces traffic accidents, so it can still be beneficial to reduce them when possible even if it doesn't have a huge time benefit. It is one of the stronger selling points of doing this type of routing.

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    47. Re:Something is missing by peragrin · · Score: 1

      Exactly you can reroute a bit but travel faster if you avoid congestion. Google maps web version always you to select your departure time on a given router and adjusts accordingly based on average traffic along that route

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    48. Re:Something is missing by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      Did you purchase the no left turn upgrade?

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    49. Re:Something is missing by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Depends on whether shorter is time or distance.

      The article says that "So, it created an algorithm that eliminated left turns from drivers’ routes even if meant a longer journey", and "the company said that the total distance covered by its 96,000 trucks was reduced by 747,000km"

      How did they add longer journeys and reduce distance at the same time?

    50. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "less trips to the distribution center" may only be one per truck, per day, but there are less trucks. Also those less trucks are a result of less routes, and less routes means less overlap between routes.

      There is no conspiracy theory to keep you from thinking things through before commenting on them.

    51. Re:Something is missing by gnick · · Score: 1

      ...they changed from someone...laying out the route by eye to laying out the routes by analysis...

      UPS made their first major deployment of ORION (their routing implementation) in 2013. What professional driver in 2013 was still laying out routes "by eye"? GPS mapping had been widely available for over a decade.

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    52. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on whether shorter is time or distance.

      Except the summary and TFA specifically say they drove fewer miles. That does not make sense.

      Saving time means each vehicle can do more deliveries and therefore the fleet needs fewer vehicles. Every additional vehicle imposes a distance overhead as the vehicle needs to get to the distribution hub regardless of how many deliveries it will perform.

      Thus saving time means less distance overhead from vehicles pulling into the hub for the same set of deliveries.

      There may also be some less obvious efficiencies in that if you let the computer determine which vehicles do which deliveries as well as which rout each vehicle drives it can group them such that each vehicle gets a rout that minimizes times using several rights to imitate a left.

    53. Re: Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes! Modestly longer distances per truck, but since there is less waiting time, the truck/driver can deliver more packages per day.
      Example: on average a truck does 100 packages per day and travels 100 blocks to do so. Imagine the distance traveled increases by 10% but the number of packages per day by 20% (probably an extreme example, but just to make A point)
      In the old situation, 10 trucks deliver 1000 packages in a day, driving 1000 blocks. With the right turns algorithm on, 8 trucks can deliver said 1000 packages, traveling only 880 blocks.
      The saving comes from the elimination of trucks and drivers, not from driving less per truck per day.
      This probably only works in urban areas, where truck routes overlap strongly.

    54. Re:Something is missing by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      Idling is the great equalizer.

      All vehicles get 0mpg fuel efficiency when they're idling.

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    55. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, that makes no sense at all. If there are fewer trucks making the same deliveries, then each truck makes more deliveries, and hence travels further. Since the routing algorithm is specifically optimizing no left turns at the cost of distance traveled, the distance would lengthen, not shorten.

      Consider 2 trucks doing delivery to 2 points A and B distant 20 meters apart. Now consider 1 truck doing deliveries to A and B. The truck in the second case does more deliveries than either truck in the first case while travelling less.

    56. Re:Something is missing by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      More deliveries per hour means a shorter work day unless other steps are taken, steps which may not always be possible.

      The other steps would mean firing some drivers and making the rest do more deliveries. Did you think that UPS was run by Sister Theresa?

    57. Re:Something is missing by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      If I recall correctly from when this same discussion came up before (either here or another site) the drivers are closely monitored. The higher-ups know how many times a truck turns left and how many times it backs up- they're all GPS monitored.

      Drivers can and do get in trouble for reversing or turning left.

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    58. Re:Something is missing by arth1 · · Score: 1

      With all the data Goggle has on moving vehicles, they probably know *that* Route A is faster than route B for a specific time of day, even though they probably don't know *why*

      The problem with Google is that the path finding is really only effective for where they have a large amount of data from people who have driven all the various paths. I.e. cities and suburbs. It's not useful for rural areas where they have little data except the overall traffic flow. There, algorithms that factor in left turns (and especially unregulated left turns) might be more effective.

      You can be stuck at an unregulated left turn during rush hour traffic for a considerable amount of time, especially if the road is not congested enough that holes in the traffic appear. Making a right turn to go two miles to a traffic light where you can do a u-turn can be a time saver.

    59. Re:Something is missing by arth1 · · Score: 2

      Exactly you can reroute a bit but travel faster if you avoid congestion.

      Making a left turn on an unregulated intersection is easier if there is moderate congestion. Holes will always appear, and cars go slow enough that you can take advantage of them. It's when the traffic flows smoothly at a higher speed, but there's enough of it that you can't get across that there's a real problem.

    60. Re:Something is missing by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      I'm in the UK and maybe I don't know enough about roads in the USA (yes do I know they drive on the wrong side of the road there), but I'm failing to see how the right turning driver can "wind up still moving" unless he recrosses his original road on a bridge. Surely he will turn right, right, and right again in side streets and then recross his original direction where he is still likely to end up waiting at traffic lights just as much as if he had turned left in the first place.

      In London right turns (read "left" in the USA) are often banned and a sign suggests a left-left-left-recross route. However this is for the benefit of drivers behind you, not yourself, as you will hold them all up in the single lane [per direction] that most London streets have. Where in the UK there is room for a right-turn lane there is no advantage in telling drivers to go left-left-left-recross instead of right. Major/newer traffic lights in the UK only allow one approach road to move at a time anyway.

    61. Re:Something is missing by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      it depends on whether in UPS trucks on average the limiting factor is space or time. if they go out with 100 packages, and only get through 80 with right and left turns, in a day, but can go through 100 doing only rights, then that's one scenario that makes sense.

      if the UPS truck needs to go back and forth from distribution twice a day to pick up 40 packages at a time, then it doesn't make sense.

      I would believe that they just fill out the truck with slightly more packages than the algorithm thinks they should be able to get through in a day, and that the trucks themselves have room to spare. and that number of packages is greater for right-turn only routes.

    62. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. So it seems as if the first statement was WRONG: "UPS truck drivers don't take left turns, and despite this usually resulting in longer route."

      90% of the turns are right hand turns yet they drove a shorter distance. Probably has something to do with EngineHours versus miles covered.

    63. Re: Something is missing by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's probably worth clarifying why that matters. Trucks don't start out at the first delivery location; they have to be driven there. If you can reduce the number of trucks, then there are fewer people wasting fuel driving out to the first delivery location. The larger the geographical area covered by a single depot, the greater the savings.

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    64. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm betting the algorithm that eliminates left turns also generates loop routes. Which could be a lot more efficient.

    65. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Say a district has enough packages to require two trucks. Those trucks have to drive a certain distance from the depot to the district and back. If the algorithm shortens the time it takes to deliver packages so that one truck can make the deliveries, it saves the distance from the depot to the district and back, plus possibly more.

      The single truck might drive 50% longer, but that is only 75% of the distance the two trucks used to drive.

    66. Re:Something is missing by thsths · · Score: 1

      True, and yet some use more fuel than other. :-)

    67. Re:Something is missing by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Eliminating left turns to save time at the expense of longer distance is plausible.

      Making the journey shorter by eliminating left turns is not. So what is the article not telling us?

      The reality here is the use of an algorithm is what created the considerable cost savings. The whole left turn gimmick was one of the main factors driving efficiency gains, resulting in 1,100 less trucks being needed to maintain deliveries. Miles not driven at all x 1,100 trucks = miles saved.

      And yeah, the confusing way they explained it is bullshit.

    68. Re:Something is missing by ThomasBHardy · · Score: 1

      I would guess the difference is in creating new routing algos that reduce/eliminate left turns.

      It's not that point A to point B with no left turns is necessarily shorter/faster, it's that 3 deliveries in one linear route with reduced left turns could lead to a more optimized circular route utilizing more right and straight events and lead to increased efficiency versus the "turn however you need, to get to the next closest delivery point" approach.

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    69. Re:Something is missing by ThomasBHardy · · Score: 1

      Drat, meant to say "300 deliveries" no "3 deliveries"

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    70. Re:Something is missing by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      More deliveries per hour means a shorter work day unless other steps are taken, steps which may not always be possible.

      The other steps would mean firing some drivers and making the rest do more deliveries. Did you think that UPS was run by Sister Theresa?

      The other steps would mean not hiring more drivers and making the existing ones do more deliveries.
      FTFY

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    71. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many cities allow right turns on red.

    72. Re:Something is missing by prefec2 · · Score: 1

      It does not tell the fact that this story is so old it has a long beard, like a married Amish men with 200 years. I know this story from several books on data mining (now called big data) from the 2000 years.

    73. Re:Something is missing by AndyMoney · · Score: 1

      I think I figured it out. The algorithms also calculate more efficient routes so that drivers get to each dropoff without driving on the same parts of road more than once. The no left turns part is a separate benefit that just reduces wasted time and idling. EX: You are in your mother's basement and need to get a snack from the kitchen and drop a package in the basement toilet to prepare for your DOTA match running on your PC in the room next to the kitchen. You travel to the kitchen to get a snack, but oops, you missed the potty on the way, so go back downstairs to the bath room. You then go back upstairs to play DOTA. So much wasted effort... The algorithm might tell you to stop at the potty on the way to the stairs, then go upstairs to get the snack and play your game. You did not step on any part of your path more than once (assuming you lept off the potty when finished and landed on the stairs instead of walking out the door).

    74. Re:Something is missing by DerekLyons · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The GPS in my Honda Odyssey also tries to eliminate left turns. I turned that feature off because it was sometimes doing a ridiculous amount of re-routing to avoid a single left turn.

      But you aren't a UPS driver, you're going to a single destination. A UPS driver is going to multiple destinations, which means the algorithm can use a trick you cant's - sequencing destinations. What's a "ridiculous" detour to you is an opportunity to deliver package "B" while avoiding a left turn on the way to delivering package "A". UPS's algorithms don't just arbitrarily eliminate left turns, they sequence the route (and choose which truck which package goes onto) so as to reduce the need for left turns and reduce the total number of miles traveled per package.

    75. Re:Something is missing by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Working in LH drive.

      Delivery truck has 2 stops. One to the right which is close, 1 to the left that is further away. Default human behaviour is to turn right to the closer 1 first. UPS system gets you to go left first and then come back for the right. The time saved by not turning right across the traffic is greater than the time lost by going further.

    76. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you allow a truck on a route to do a bunch of extra stops then you dont have to send out a second truck, thus it eliminates both. (this is slashdot, not fark or reddit, I expect more)

    77. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is very plausible it saves mileage. If a truck delivers more packages in a given time due to reduced waiting those additional packages will be in the same geographic area.meaning a small marginal increase in mileage is needed for those packages. With the increased waiting time, additional trucks will need to be deployed to make the same number for deliveries in the given time. These trucks have "fixed" mileage to get from the dispatch to the delivery area meaning the marginal mileage for these additional packages is higher.

      Now having said that, looking at past articles, I think the article is quoting the savings from implementation of the routing software of which the left turn ban was a major component but not the only one. Its clear that the left ban saved significant fuel, probably mostly from the the reduced waiting time with a less significant contribution from the marginal decrease in delivery mileage,

    78. Re:Something is missing by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      Many modern vehicles turn the engine off while stopped, eliminating idling.

      I don't know about where you live, but most UPS trucks around here look like they where manufactured in about 1980, or thereabouts, when things like doors, aerodynamic shapes, and seat belts where a luxury.

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    79. Re:Something is missing by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      Many modern vehicles turn the engine off while stopped, eliminating idling.

      You miss the point. UPS is talking about their trucks, not modern vehicles... Unless you think UPS would buy new vehicles with the technology you are talking about equipped to the truck... I don't see it happen.

    80. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many modern vehicles turn the engine off while stopped, eliminating idling.

      Ha! my 1972 monte carlo used to do that all the time! And then it took a few seconds to restart

    81. Re:Something is missing by hawk · · Score: 1

      Perhaps a month or two ago, Apple started regularly offering me to change to a shorter route while driving. These have been great (one pulled me off the freeway for three miles before jumping back on) except . . .

      A left turn off a major street, around the block , and a left turn back on to the same street . . . uhh . . .

      hawk

    82. Re:Something is missing by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      I suspect UPS gets more than four kilometers per liter on its trucks

      Probably not a lot more. Have you driven a truck commercially. Even on motorways, large trucks may only do 4 MPG full laden. In heavy traffic?

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    83. Re:Something is missing by hawk · · Score: 1

      If it saves time, total driven by all trucks could indeed drop, as individual trucks would make more deliveries once they reached the area, reducing the number of trucks.

      hawk

    84. Re:Something is missing by stooo · · Score: 1

      >> Many modern vehicles turn the engine off while stopped, eliminating idling.

      Yeah. But companies do not turn off salaries while stopped.

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    85. Re:Something is missing by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      UPS is and long has been using lightweight trucks with custom Aluminum+fiberglass bodies, and they deliver a lot of packages which are mostly air.

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    86. Re: Something is missing by unrtst · · Score: 1

      This is the most clear explanation I've seen! It should probably be in the summary, though that'd probably mean 90% of us wouldn't have read the thread.
      Mods should mod you way up!

    87. Re: Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't matter if the vehicle is old or not - even an old UPS truck will burn less than 2 liters of diesel per hour while idling. This is minimal compared to the wage of the driver (OK, except maybe in India). So, saving time is almost always worth it, even at the expense of higher fuel cost. Even when driving at full speed, fuel cost of the truck is less than the wage of the driver, in many counties.

    88. Re:Something is missing by Talderas · · Score: 1

      The fleet drove few miles predominantly due to reducing the fleet size by 1,100 trucks. Individual drivers may have driven more, less, or the same. The summary does a terrible job at indicating that they're talking about the fleet.

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    89. Re:Something is missing by whoever57 · · Score: 0

      This. I suspect eliminating left turns results in modestly longer distances but significantly shorter times.

      But if the intersection is controlled by lights and it is in CA, it's usually better to do a left turn. Most lights have a left filter, which goes green before the straight-on lane.

      On the other hand, right turns benefit from the right turn on red rules.

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    90. Re:Something is missing by Jaime2 · · Score: 2

      This might be true. However, the MythBusters episode that's cited in the article shows that total fuel consumption goes down even though distance increases. UPS didn't do this to get routes done faster, they did it to save fuel. If there were some secondary effects, great, but those effects should have been enumerated.

      Even the number cited seem to be misleading. Simply driving 747000km less and saving 190000l of fuel implies no per mile fuel savings if the fleet averages 25l/100km (or about 9.4 US mpg). That looks like a reasonable number, adding to the confusion about what they are actually saying. Come to think of it, given the previous calculation, it seems nearly all of the savings had to come from reducing total miles, which contradicts the Mythbusters experimental results and other anecdotal evidence.

    91. Re:Something is missing by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      That explains how the Millennium Falcon made the Kessel run in less then 12 parsecs, it didn't take any left turns!

    92. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when things like doors, aerodynamic shapes, and seat belts were a luxury.

      as well as spelling

    93. Re:Something is missing by LunaticTippy · · Score: 3, Funny

      That loop saved you from getting in a fender bender on the next block, saving you many hours. Apple now has pre-cogs optimizing their algorithm.

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    94. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Devil's advocate: by eliminating so many extra trucks from being in circulation, the individual truck distances were increased, but the overall distance necessary is reduced because individual trucks can do more in less time.

    95. Re:Something is missing by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Many modern vehicles turn the engine off while stopped, eliminating idling.

      Trucks do not, and owning a vehicle that does have this feature it puts incredible strain on the battery. The battery is also well monitored. If the traffic is significant let alone an outright jam the auto-stop feature disables itself to prevent the battery from dying just on my daily commute to work, and it's fascinating to see taxis which simply show an error light at every intersection for this reason.

      The stopping the engine is a great solution on hybrids and vehicles which fit a specific driving profile. Local delivery trucks I don't think meet this profile.

    96. Re:Something is missing by Altrag · · Score: 1

      The video at the end.. doesn't describe it nearly as well as TFS owuld have you believe, but the missing parts are:

      a) It doesn't really apply to residential / low-delivery roads.

      b) If they need to do deliveries on both sides of a road, they'll route two trucks down that road -- one in either direction -- rather than having a single truck effectively turn around and go back down the same road twice (or maybe it will be the same truck after doing a bunch of right-turn-only deliveries at the far end of the road before coming back.. that sort of thing.)

      So its not like the trucks are making 3 rights to circle the block, they're routing multiple trucks in smart ways to cover the same drop points while avoiding as many lefts as possible, along with some relatively sane limits (if there's only one drop in a 10 mile radius, that particular truck will just have to make a left turn if needed.)

      Essentially, its a fairly regular routing algorithm but puts a much heavier weight on left turns in order to minimize them (but won't eliminate them entirely if the cost of making a left is still lower than the cost of alternative plans.)

    97. Re:Something is missing by Altrag · · Score: 1

      I don't know about seatbelts but your other points aren't all THAT relevant regardless of the age of the vehicle:

      - Aerodynamics is just never going to be great when you have a giant square box, and they don't want to make it not-square because that would impact their ability to stack (mostly square/rectangular) boxes inside. I guess they could put a spoiler on the roof of the cab to try and route some of the wind around the flat face of the cube but you're not likely to ever see significant smooth curves on a delivery truck.

      - Doors aren't really necessary either, beyond the 2 for the cab (driver and passenger) and the main storage door. They'll be packing those boxes front-to-back in the first place according to the delivery schedule, so the driver would rarely if ever be in a position where they have to dig a package out from in front of other packages.

    98. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      some UPS centers are still not on ORION and some FedEx stations do not route at all. Plus.... GPS sucks for high volume delivering. You waste so much time dealing with the GPS vs just working using your brain. I used to use GPS when I started but found out that paper maps were quicker.... with the additional benefit of image memory helping retention. /FedEx Express driver.

    99. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here in Seattle, I see UPS trucks nearly every day making left turns in front of our office and the building where I live. Apparently they haven't eliminated nearly all left turns.

    100. Re:Something is missing by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      It's part of the route planning already. And for the price they charge it damn well should be.

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    101. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The summary said it saved 747,000km and 20.4 million miles. Unless someone recently redefined time, those are distances.

    102. Re:Something is missing by Imrik · · Score: 1

      I have encountered a UPS driver that got overloaded on a set route (industrial area where almost everyone gets a delivery every day) and had to return to the depot for the rest.

    103. Re:Something is missing by SirSlud · · Score: 1

      Okay, sure, it's a vast conspiracy.

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    104. Re:Something is missing by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      at every delivery?

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    105. Re:Something is missing by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      They don't just do three rights instead of a left. They organize the route in such a way that the driver makes almost entirely right turns. In the video, the corporate guy mentions that they organize their entire operation so that packages on different sides of the same street will often be delivered by different drivers in different trucks, just so that neither has to make a left.

    106. Re:Something is missing by zvar · · Score: 1

      I drive class A (Semi) and depending on how heavy the load is and which truck and engine I'm using that day it can be between 5.5 and 9.5 MPG Typically average 6.5 MPG in the colder months and 7.5 MPG in the warmer months.

    107. Re:Something is missing by mattack2 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.. I only read the summary, and knew about the Mythbusters episode.

      I really wonder if the results would be different in areas with protected left turns (that's what they're called). I would not like to live somewhere with significant traffic that didn't have protected left turns. I rarely make a left when it's not a protected left turn, and even when I do, it's usually a mid-block turn and I can see that there's only a car or two to wait for at most before I can turn. (I'd rather have the somewhat predictable "wait for the lights to cycle" than an indeterminate wait for a break in the flow..)

    108. Re:Something is missing by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      The article was very specific about that:

      the company said that the total distance covered by its 96,000 trucks was reduced by 747,000km, and 190,000 litres of fuel had been saved

      Though it basically contradicts that with:

      it created an algorithm that eliminated left turns from drivers’ routes even if meant a longer journey

      Interestingly, the quoted a Mythbusters experiment which confirmed the latter:

      TV show Mythbusters tested the UPS theory by eliminating as many left turns from their route as possible. They found that an 8.3km journey became 30 percent longer (10.9km), but still consumed roughly 40 percent less fuel.

      So, 2 conclusions:

      1) you clearly did not RTFA.
      2) the empyrical answer is "longer distance, less fuel".

      And the OP's question remains - the why does the article claim distance was reduced as well?

    109. Re:Something is missing by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Many modern vehicles turn the engine off while stopped, eliminating idling.

      Doesn't really matter what "modern vehicles" do, though, just what UPS trucks do.

    110. Re:Something is missing by Dahamma · · Score: 2

      This is the first good point made to explain the seeming contradiction.

    111. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having an algorithm to optimise the route reduces the distance travelled. Reducing left turns may have contributed to some of the fuel savings, but it seems that most of their savings is coming from planning the routes better.

    112. Re: Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like a layperson not fully interested in understanding what he/she was writing about.

      Compare the quality of the article with the quality of comments by other laypersons.

    113. Re:Something is missing by yes-but-no · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it's correlation and not causation. But you can argue that it's a kind of causation because if you haven't chosen the newer process you may not have gotten other side benefits [the better routing algorithm]. Usually when you move to a new (better) process you gonna get unforeseen side-effects (both beneficial and new-cost). Here one side effect is using over-all better routing algorithm; surely there will be some detrimental effects (say uneven wear n tear to the vehicle because doing only left turns leading to costly repairs) which are not spoken about. So it's all about how you present the case..what you wanna highlight so the listener buys into your view.

    114. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The clue is total distance, moron.

    115. Re:Something is missing by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Imagine each each truck goes 5% further. But because it spends less time waiting, it can deliver 10% more packages. Therefore, they only have to run ~91% of the trucks. What is 105 x 91?

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    116. Re:Something is missing by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      From the article "the company said that the total distance covered by its 96,000 trucks was reduced by 747,000km, and 190,000 litres of fuel had been saved." this makes no sense what so ever. I smell the smell of share pumping, this type of article normally means bad news is floating about and they want to soften the blow. You can no travel both further and shorter at the same time. The drop in mileage would indicate a drop in market share, most likely due to the other great UPS saving, tossing parcels over the fence. This all driven by given drivers impossible targets so as to minimise bonuses. Here is what I think really happened https://www.google.com.au/sear....

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    117. Re:Something is missing by EtaCarinae · · Score: 1

      I find it hard to believe that reducing the degrees of freedom led to shorter routes. If you watch the myth busters video they indeed got lower fuel consumption for the right-turn routes, but it got longer and took more time as well. It's not an obvious result to me. Maybe it has to do with conservation of energy? Left-hand turns have a higher probability for full-stops while many right hand turns can go smoothly without too much braking -especially in the hands of an experienced driver? The figures from UPS could be due to other factors such as better overall route optimization or new roads I guess. The figures aren't normalized with respect to how many, what and where deliveries went so it it hard to make conclusions from those figures alone...

    118. Re:Something is missing by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 1

      Is it useful if you're not canvassing a large area containing many stops as a delivery truck would? I can see rerouting everything with preference to left-turns helping more with efficiency if you have a lot of options for how you approach your targets, not so much for general point A -> B routing.

    119. Re: Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot. Read the thread. I am a traffic modeler. It has been explained to you. Read...

    120. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surely the only way they could have measured how much time was spent waiting for left turns was continuous GPS tracking. If drivers were ignoring routes planned for them I'm sure that would be noticed too.

    121. Re: Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Inefficient solution to the traveling salesman problem?

    122. Re: Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The guy writing up the report used to be an astronomer. He saw a figure with time units and automatically applied a red-shift conversion to get the distance units.

    123. Re:Something is missing by Smerta · · Score: 1

      Eliminating left turns to save time at the expense of longer distance is plausible.

      Making the journey shorter by eliminating left turns is not. So what is the article not telling us?

      I had exactly the same question. I watched the ~2 minute video (linked at the bottom of the summary) and I think the answer was in there -- they'll have multiple trucks conquering a neighborhood, often passing each other on a 2-lane road as each serves the buildings on the right hand side of the road. To me it's totally plausible that under such a scheme, the net distance could be less.

    124. Re:Something is missing by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Probably not. If you are, for example, going from distribution center to distribution center, now making multiple stops it's probably not very useful. But then again you don't need expensive routing software to plan those routes. The use case for my customer was routing trucks to multiple retail locations from their distribution centers. The idea being to make the most efficient routes possible to increase the number of stops per truck, reduce time between stops, etc. It was part of a larger set of projects to make sure those locations always had the shelves stocked for the company products. I don't know how much the right-turn routing helped in the overall scheme specifically but I'm sure it had an impact.

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    125. Re:Something is missing by Imbrondir · · Score: 1

      Left turns should be enough for everybody

    126. Re:Something is missing by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      The point I was making is that i find it doubtful that any UPS truck is equipped with the capability to shut off the engine while stopped at a red light, like the modern cars the person above me mentioned.

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    127. Re:Something is missing by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Eliminating left turns only makes sense in countries where you drive on the right, right?
      UPS is a global company, So I'm assuming they know this won't work out so well in those places that drive on the left.
      .

    128. Re:Something is missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought this at first. imagine a wider area where routes spiral into and out of distribution centers like breathing. you're only thinking about driving around 3 extra sides of 1 block

    129. Re:Something is missing by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Sure it isn't. At the very least, the driver can shut off the engine, and restart it when the light is about to change.

      You may have also noticed that driver also shuts off the engine anytime they leave the truck. I'm not sure if it's because of saving fuel, or to keep thieves from jacking the truck, or both - but a truck delivering packages in a neighborhood can have the engine stopped/started dozens of times so it's not like the engine isn't built for it.

    130. Re: Something is missing by maitas · · Score: 1

      Now imagine the near future with electric delivery tracks. When that happens, you dont burn any fuel by waiting at a red light. Only miles traveled counts, so they might need to change their algorithm.

    131. Re:Something is missing by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      You do that before you leave the hub, of course, but not every time you get back in the vehicle.

      There are other techniques which I didn't even begin to go into like "aim high in steering", "scan, don't sweep, your mirrors", "choose your stopping point at every intersection", "beware stale green lights", "make eye contact", "use your horn" and "never back".

      All techniques which I have used in my own driving ever since.

      I really think everyone should go through the UPS driver training.

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  3. Excellent by thegreatbob · · Score: 0

    Glad to see this is paying off for them. This was covered here just over 9 years ago: https://slashdot.org/story/07/...

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    1. Re:Excellent by irving47 · · Score: 1

      And Mythbusters!

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  4. I don't think you know what "eliminating" means. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Of course, the algorithm does not entirely eliminate left turns, but the number of left turns taken by UPS trucks is less than 10 percent of all turns made."

    I don't think you know what "eliminating" means. Worthless "journalist".

  5. Haven't I seen this before? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

    A recycled story, but still fun.

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    1. Re:Haven't I seen this before? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was one here (protip: search) more than 9 years ago; a follow-up does not seem unreasonable.

  6. MythBusters were there 7 years ago by Melkhior · · Score: 5, Interesting
    1. Re:MythBusters were there 7 years ago by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      UPS did it 12 years ago... I don't even know why they were trying to "bust" a "myth" that a company was spending huge amounts of money actually doing.

  7. This is just incredible by Event+Horizon · · Score: 1

    Totally fucking brilliant. Well done, UPS. This is the kind of optimization that would make any computing professional proud.

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    1. Re:This is just incredible by sunking2 · · Score: 1, Informative

      Ya, if you're taking a freshman level cs course.

    2. Re:This is just incredible by Event+Horizon · · Score: 0

      Eh? Why the snark? You think they haven't had brains working on route optimization for decades? There routes were already very carefully planned and very good. And somebody came up with a simple, clever, and somewhat unintuitive idea that gave instant improvements on that. I don't care who you are or what you do; if you come to me with an idea like this, I'll be impressed. If you're not, I only wonder what has you so jaded.

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    3. Re:This is just incredible by Event+Horizon · · Score: 1

      s/There/Their

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    4. Re:This is just incredible by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      It just occurred to me that it's simply a matter of extending a graph with some extra nodes and edges. You can keep the algorithms and slightly transform your data.

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    5. Re:This is just incredible by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Could you explain to me what is "unintuitive" about it? There are many plausible criteria one might use for such optimizations. Common waiting points like left turns on frequented spots being one of them, but certainly not the only thing. In fact, re-pricing route legs could plausibly be done automatically using GPS data, so you wouldn't even have to introduce the explicit concept of "left turns" at all - it would simply be just one of those places where cars are detected to stop for a while if route leg E_n connects to route leg E_n+1.

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  8. So how many jobs were lost? by bussdriver · · Score: 0

    We've not needed robots to eliminate jobs for a long time. Software has been doing it for a while now... but we still are blaming immigrants who are increasingly insignificant to the problem.

    1. Re:So how many jobs were lost? by avandesande · · Score: 1

      If UPS can lower their costs it makes their service more attractive and they get more business. Maybe it saved or added jobs?

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    2. Re:So how many jobs were lost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like the use of the ellipsis allowing you to bring politics into a tech discussion it should be absent from all without having to resort to a pesky second sentence.

  9. Do drivers get dinged for unauthorized lefts? by sizzzzlerz · · Score: 1

    I assume each truck has a GPS tracker in it and the routes driven are downloaded and analyzed by UPS bean counters. Are there penalties imposed when a driver deviates from the no-left-turn policy too often?

    1. Re:Do drivers get dinged for unauthorized lefts? by alvinrod · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Do drivers get dinged for unauthorized lefts? by swb · · Score: 1

      Do the trucks have internal GPS guidance for the routes?

      If they do, why would a driver bother overriding what are likely better directions except in really bad machine choices where some mapping data was off or something?

    3. Re:Do drivers get dinged for unauthorized lefts? by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

      It has been about 10 years since I drove for UPS. Back then we didn't have GPS. If you were just starting out and needed to use a map, you did it before hand, mark it in your head and go. There are some mental tricks that they teach you and your first week or so, you are accompanied by an experienced driver who can also act as a navigator if you need it, but is otherwise pretty hands off.

      I somehow doubt that they have changed all that much. And I think the reason is that the driver compartment of the UPS truck is not secure. Every time you leave your truck, you bring everything with you. There are not even any radios in them. If they started using GPS, they would have to make sure it is really bolted down... but even still, what about vandalism? Better to have your drivers be reliant on their own brains.

      I did have what they call a "DIAD" (can't remember what the acronym stands for now) which had a cellular radio in it. This was for scanning the packages, capturing digital signatures and receiving updates from dispatch. It was not a GPS device though.

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    4. Re:Do drivers get dinged for unauthorized lefts? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

      GPS is cheap enough technology now that they could risk leaving it in the truck. Not really worth trying to steal a GPS, especially one that is specific to UPS and not generic enough that you could sell it.

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    5. Re:Do drivers get dinged for unauthorized lefts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have laptops that have GPS in them. They are used to make sure you're on route and all that. Remember in addition to saving fuel and cutting trucks, they are actually delivering more packages.

    6. Re:Do drivers get dinged for unauthorized lefts? by Imrik · · Score: 1

      Traffic

    7. Re:Do drivers get dinged for unauthorized lefts? by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      DIAD is short for Delivery Information Acquisition Device. The company I worked for (until I retired last November after 31.5 years) was a subsidiary of UPS bought specifically to bring high tech into the company (they were still tracking packages on paper when they bought us) and we developed the first DIAD back in the late 1980s/early 1990s. They subsequently moved that work in house and eventually sold us to another company that was more in line with our original work.

      The other big thing we helped develop for UPS (along with a number of other partners) was the original ADS-B system to help them route the planes landing and taking off at the Louisville Worldport where they land about 250 planes a night (about 1 a minute), unload them, sort the several hundred thousand packages coming in, load them up again and send them back out all in an 8 or 9 hour period. (UPS Air Operations Facts)

      One other thing is most people call the delivery vehicles "trucks" but within UPS they're called "package cars". You learn that real quick when you work for them.

    8. Re:Do drivers get dinged for unauthorized lefts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did have what they call a "DIAD" (can't remember what the acronym stands for now) ...

      Delivery Information Acquisition Device.

  10. Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    breadth first search of a properly weighted graph.

  11. Maybe, maybe not... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

    If the entire route is based on right turns, perhaps it works out. On the other hand, even if not the entire route, the computer is probably better at route planning than the driver.

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  12. Confound it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it created an algorithm that eliminated left turns from drivers' routes even if [it] meant a longer journey.

    a year after it announced that it will minimise left turns, the company said that the total distance covered by its 96,000 trucks was reduced by 747,000km

    If eliminating left turns results in longer journeys, then something other than left turns reduced the total distance. Therefore, it's not clear from the data presented in the article that eliminating left turns was responsible for reducing fuel consumption.

    1. Re:Confound it! by SirSlud · · Score: 2

      less waiting in traffic = more deliveries per truck per hour = less trucks on the road in a day = less distance per day for total fleet

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    2. Re:Confound it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if they've calculated the cost savings of the collisions that didn't happen because of fewer lefts. Left turns that involve crossing in front of oncoming traffic are a major contributor to collisions.

  13. Re:I don't think you know what "eliminating" means by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Of course, the algorithm does not entirely eliminate left turns, but the number of left turns taken by UPS trucks is less than 10 percent of all turns made."

    I don't think you know what "eliminating" means. Worthless "journalist".

    Let's say left turns were 40% of all turns and now they're 10%. You have indeed eliminated most left turns, just not all of them.

    Bad on the headline for not qualifying "eliminating" but the rest of the article does.

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  14. So can we use this for personal routing? by Cthefuture · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If this is true then it would make sense for Google maps and the others to offer routing options that also eliminate left turns.

    I wonder what happens to traffic if everyone on the road eliminates left turns.

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    1. Re:So can we use this for personal routing? by lexman098 · · Score: 2

      I think the benefit would be seen only if you need to make multiple stops in any order you see fit.

    2. Re:So can we use this for personal routing? by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I wonder what happens to traffic if everyone on the road eliminates left turns.

      They all go in circles. They are minimizing them. And since their drivers go on a very circuitous route, there's a lot more room for optimization as opposed to a personal there-and-back trip.

    3. Re:So can we use this for personal routing? by olsmeister · · Score: 2

      Traffic circles.

    4. Re:So can we use this for personal routing? by dnwheeler · · Score: 1

      I suspect this only really helps if you are taking a roughly circular route on low-speed roads with many stops. Driving from point A to point B (what most of us do) doesn't usually have too many options when it comes to turns (driving clockwise around a block to avoid a left turn is almost never going to pay off) and usually involve longer stretches at higher speeds.

    5. Re:So can we use this for personal routing? by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      Well, if the lights are driven by cameras then on major streets where there is a designated left turn lane we will see shorter light intervals and thus greater flow on the main channels. So everyone should benefit.

      However you have to realize that the typical journey you make doesn't involve many turns at all and there's very little optional turning. The UPS diver has a very convoluted path with lots of options in the order.

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    6. Re:So can we use this for personal routing? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Home owner's associations would be up in arms about the increased traffic through their neighborhoods!

    7. Re:So can we use this for personal routing? by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Trucks have a harder time making left turns than cars. When in your car, you only need to wait for a short gap between cars to squeeze through and make your left turn. A truck needs a considerably larger gap - not just so it can physically squeeze its longer length through, but because it takes more time to get up to speed.

    8. Re:So can we use this for personal routing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You wind up in New Jersey.

    9. Re:So can we use this for personal routing? by asylumx · · Score: 2

      I wonder what happens to traffic if everyone on the road eliminates left turns.

      I guess it'd be all right.

    10. Re:So can we use this for personal routing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I wonder what happens to traffic if everyone on the road eliminates left turns.

      Many areas are adapting Michigan left turns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_left) which is a right followed by a u-turn in a dedicated lane.

    11. Re:So can we use this for personal routing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder what happens to traffic if everyone on the road eliminates left turns.

      If that happened, then the entire country would turn rightward. Oh shit.

    12. Re:So can we use this for personal routing? by alexo · · Score: 1

      I am still waiting for Google maps to allow the "avoid tolls" option to be sticky, like any other navigation software.
      Users have been complaining about it for a decade.

    13. Re:So can we use this for personal routing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder what happens to traffic if everyone on the road eliminates left turns.

      Then you get New Jersey.

    14. Re:So can we use this for personal routing? by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      roundabouts. the key difference is in a roundabout the traffic inside have right of way so it self-manages congestion.

      traffic circles have stops or yields on the inside ring and so it tends to jam up when traffic is heavy, especially if two or more entrances have a lot of traffic.

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    15. Re: So can we use this for personal routing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lights aren't controlled by cameras.

    16. Re: So can we use this for personal routing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lights aren't 'driven' or controlled by cameras.

  15. Oh the irony. by fisted · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You are an idiot. Even if they're went from N left turns to N-1 left turns, they'd still have eliminated a left turn.
    Nowhere TFS says that *all* left turns were eliminated.

    Worthless "journalist".

    Worthless AC.

    1. Re:Oh the irony. by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you serious?

      "eliminate: completely remove or get rid of (something)"

      Saying 'partially eliminate' is an oxymoron although it's commonly used enough to mean "eliminating part of" that its meaning is well understood.

      A sentence that is otherwise unqualified that says:

      "How UPS Trucks Saved Millions of Dollars By Eliminating Left Turns"

      VERY clearly means that "all left turns were eliminated".

      But I think you understood all of this already and were just looking for a way to be salty. Mission accomplished!

    2. Re:Oh the irony. by fisted · · Score: 0

      Are you serious?

      Yes.

      "eliminate: completely remove or get rid of (something)"

      Exactly. And that "something" is a decent number of left turns. It's "completely" in the sense of not leaving "partial left turns".

      A sentence that is otherwise unqualified that says:

      "How UPS Trucks Saved Millions of Dollars By Eliminating Left Turns"

      VERY clearly means that "all left turns were eliminated".

      I disagree. And FWIW, only a complete idiot might not instantly realize that there is NO WAY to eliminate ALL left turns (think unpredictable road blocks) and hence dismiss your interpretation as unlikely to be the intended one.

      But I think you understood all of this already and were just looking for a way to be salty. Mission accomplished!

      Apparently it triggered your drive to be pedantic on the internet. Too bad you're mistaken.

    3. Re:Oh the irony. by Cederic · · Score: 4, Funny

      Here are three left turns. We eliminated them by turning right instead.

      Sadly we weren't able to eliminate stupidity on the internet, even from people with three digit Slashdot UIDs.

    4. Re:Oh the irony. by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 1

      Hilarious that you are calling ME pedantic when you're the one who initiated this nonsense by berating someone else in a pedantic manner!

      I think I'm going to start using your logic at work though. Should be fun.

      Me: "Hey boss, I eliminated the bugs that were preventing our product from shipping!"

      Boss: "Awesome! Finally we can ship because there are no bugs! I just uploaded the new build to the server and users are downloading it as we speak!"

      Me: "What?!? But the bug that wipes users' hard drives is still in the product! We're ruined!"

      Boss: "But you said you eliminated all of the bugs ..."

      Me: "No, I said I eliminated the bugs. But clearly that only means some of them! In fact, I only fixed one bug, but ... since 'eliminate the bugs' really means 'eliminate some of the bugs', and 'some' in this context really meant 'one' ... I was just being accurate! Ask fisted, he knows."

    5. Re:Oh the irony. by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 0

      You completely misunderstood everything apparently, brainiac.

      But I see you did not miss an opportunity to show your envy of those with Slashdot ids lower than yours, by jumping into an argument that you don't even understand just to insult me.

    6. Re:Oh the irony. by fisted · · Score: 1

      I too would understand "I eliminated the bugs that were preventing our product from shipping" as you having eliminated ALL of the bugs that were preventing your product from shipping, since the set of bugs affected is clearly specified. The keyword here is the "the" in "the bugs".

      Let me reply to the rest of your comment with an equally stupid conversation:

      Soldier: I've eliminated enemy combatants
      You: GREAT! We've won the war. I'm ordering all troops back as we speak!
      Soldier: B-but it was just a half dozen guys and on the horizon we could see the schwerer gustav being readied..
      You: BUT YOU SAID ELIMINATED! That has to mean there's literally no one left!
      Solder: Have you been dropped on your...

    7. Re: Oh the irony. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it doesn't mean all. You are desperately searching for an argument to support your claim but your claim is wrong.

    8. Re:Oh the irony. by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this is why in English we use disambiguating terms like "some" and "all". No soldier speaking english would ever say "I've eliminated enemy combatants", they'd say, "I've eliminated SOME enemy combatants". And I agree with your assertion that the "the" in my example was disambiguating.

      However, we all know that article titles generally do not use articles in the same way, for brevity's sake, which is why choosing an ambiguous wording as the article did, is a bad idea, and why it leads to confusion where some people interpret it one way and some the other way.

      My main beef was with you calling people 'idiot' because they were misled by an ambiguous title and then pointed out what was ambiguous about it, as if your personal interpretation of ambiguity was somehow the "correct" interpretation and anyone who reads it a different way is an "idiot".

      Really alot of it comes down to hating to read people immediately start out with name-calling, and it seemed ironic since the person you are responding to had a valid point, which I have just elucidated.

      But whatever, have a good day.

    9. Re:Oh the irony. by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 1

      Also may I point out that the word "eliminate" was just the wrong term to use full-stop because of the ambiguity that it introduces. No need for that ambiguity, but clearly the author was going more for "impact" than for clarity. Something like:

      "How UPS Trucks Saved Millions of Dollars By Preferring Right Hand Turns"

      would have been clearer and then we wouldn't even be having this pointless discussion.

    10. Re:Oh the irony. by fisted · · Score: 1

      immediately start out with name-calling

      I wouldn't even have replied to the OP hadn't it been for their 'Worthless "journalist".'

    11. Re:Oh the irony. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Oooh a 3 digiter taking on a 4 digiter.

      *popcorn* *munch munch*

    12. Re:Oh the irony. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      You completely misunderstood everything apparently

      Really? You're the fuckwit that thinks eliminating some left turns and not others is impossible.

      The rest of us understand how this is viable without any issues at all.

    13. Re: Oh the irony. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, it's ambiguous and can be validly I nterpreted either way. Yay English!

    14. Re:Oh the irony. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as an aside, when my body goes through the process of eliminating waste, there is still some leftover.

    15. Re:Oh the irony. by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 1

      Yeah, still not understanding even though you think you do. Loser.

    16. Re:Oh the irony. by Cederic · · Score: 1

      What are you, a teenager? "You just don't understand!"

      You keeping telling me that I don't understand, but you failed to make a coherent point to start with and haven't followed up with anything remotely looking like logic, common sense, insight or indeed constructive.

      I don't think I even want to understand, it seems to require a lobotomy.

  16. "10s of millions" for a company as large as UPS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The savings may seem insiginificant when compared to an operating cost of over $40 billion in 2016, but when distributed to a handful of executives, it's a nice chunk of money.

  17. Google maps navigation option? by swb · · Score: 1

    I wish this was a Google maps navigation option.

    Although I kind of wonder if its only really beneficial for multi-stop routes where the entire route can be re-planned with right turns only and thus gaining some other efficiencies, versus a single-destination trip where avoiding a single left turn could involve a lot more distance.

    1. Re:Google maps navigation option? by digitalride · · Score: 1

      The way to approach this is not explicitly eliminating/reducing left turns, you just need to factor in an average additional time to complete left turns. You would think this would but simple enough but my current Garmin GPS can't even account properly for stoplights. It grossly underestimates how much time will be lost waiting at them, preferring routes with high speed limits and long traffic lights every few miles instead of smaller roads or slightly out of the way freeways. Obviously traffic comes into play more when trying to account for stop lights and left turn delays, but many devices are traffic aware now.

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    2. Re:Google maps navigation option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When will we see this option in our smartphone navigator apps?

      I am already avoiding some routes due to impossible crossings with no traffic lights and a left turn into a continuous traffic stream. Adding the option would make it easier to avoid these during unfamiliar routes while relying on navigator for advice.

    3. Re:Google maps navigation option? by godrik · · Score: 1

      It may already be in google maps without you knowing. It is just a matter of weighting differently turns depending on whether they are left or right turns. Actually provided the shit ton on data that google has, they may actually be able to estimate the cost of each turn for each light.

    4. Re:Google maps navigation option? by swb · · Score: 1

      They seem to do a good job on overall routing but I don't see that kind of detail in ordinary routing, and quite often they pick routes that I know will be worse to drive qualitatively due to stop and go traffic -- a lot of freeway shunting when the side streets are much less stop and go.

  18. Missing information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those readers outside the USA: In the USA, cars turning right can treat a red light like a stop sign, and turn right after stopping and checking the turn is safe.

    1. Re:Missing information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      While true for private passenger vehicles, commercial vehicles, school buses, and combinations with a gross weight greater than 26,001 lbs may not turn right on red in the US.

      UPS trucks are commercial vehicles.

    2. Re:Missing information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the info!

    3. Re:Missing information by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Ah shite. Don't tell SCS, I turn right on a red all the time :(

    4. Re:Missing information by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      For those readers outside the USA: In the USA, cars turning right can treat a red light like a stop sign, and turn right after stopping and checking the turn is safe.

      Also for those outside the US, the US has a butt-load more traffic lights in the average city. Many American drivers don't like roundabouts/traffic circles, most don't even know how to use a multiple lane circle, they just stay in the outer ring.

      When almost every intersection has a light (or a stop sign for someone) there is a lot more stopping, a lot more idling, etc. So for the reason AC mentioned above, and the reason there are more stops in general- I don't think other countries would get the same benefit eliminating left turns.

      Just as an aside, I thought the turn right on red idea was crazy and dangerous when I first heard about it. It really isn't though, and it works quite well.

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    5. Re:Missing information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that probably adds some more complexity to UPS' operations Europe and places with similar traffic laws. Right-on-red is mainly a US thing; it trades the risk of driver errors in judgement for the efficiency of moving right-turn traffic through an intersection if it's likely to be unopposed by other traffic. In the European system, traffic turning right must wait for the traffic light. It's alleviated somewhat by specific right-turn lights which allow the traffic to pass much as right-on-red would, but still its an additional potential source of wait time in traffic.

    6. Re:Missing information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Traffic violations turned off? :)

    7. Re:Missing information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're confusing the yield on green left hand turns, which don't exist in all cities and also exist in other countries besides the US.

    8. Re:Missing information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on the state you are in. NJ is one notable exception. Making a right on a red light will get you a ticket there.

    9. Re:Missing information by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      For those readers outside the USA: In the USA, cars turning right can treat a red light like a stop sign, and turn right after stopping and checking the turn is safe.

      For those users in the USA, traffic light right turn red signals are actually quite rare in the switching scheme of a traffic light, pretty much only making way for either pedestrians or the left turning traffic from the oncoming lane. On any main road the right turn actually has the highest period of green in the cycle unless crossing an equally main road.

      This algorithm is a benefit outside the USA as well.

    10. Re:Missing information by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Just as an aside, I thought the turn right on red idea was crazy and dangerous when I first heard about it. It really isn't though, and it works quite well.

      Coming from Europe, I had the same experience.However, it may be in part because streets tend to be much wider in the US. So in busy intersections, the rightmost lane is almost like a right turn only lane. Fast moving cars can usually just pass you on the left.
      In Europe, many signaled intersections only have one lane each way, with blind angles and traffic arriving quite fast. When traffic is slower and when there is more space, roundabouts are preferred. There is also significantly more variety, not all crossings are the typical right angle cross.

    11. Re:Missing information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the only major jurisdictional exception to right-turn-on-red being within New York City limits.

  19. Conservative estimates? by johannesg · · Score: 0

    Even by conservative estimates, that's tens of millions of dollar of savings in fuel costs.

    How about liberal estimates, are they any different?

    Would eliminating left-turning politics result in a similar saving nation wide?

  20. Waze by FFOMelchior · · Score: 1

    Makes sense, left turns "cost" more than right ones is pretty common sense. Waze got on-board with this recently as well, with an option to "avoid difficult left turns". Before that, it would sometimes make the frustrating decision to send you on a route that has a left turn into 4 lane, no-light intersection because it was 1000 ft shorter. Of course, it's not perfect yet, but I've definitely seen an improvement.

  21. Many countries prohibit turn right on red. by ad454 · · Score: 1

    In most EU countries and other places, it is prohibited in general to turn right on red, where one has to wait for the lights to turn green, or right green arrow, before one can make a right hand turn.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Although when driving on the right, it is still faster to make a right turn then making a left turn, since one often has to wait for on coming traffic. I can't help but wonder if the time saving that UPS gets in reducing left turns in Europe is far less than in North America where turn right on red is allowed.

    1. Re:Many countries prohibit turn right on red. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like how you say "it is prohibited in general to turn right on red", as if "turning right on red" was allowed by default and needed a special law to be illegal there.

      Turning right on red in the USA is the weird exception.

    2. Re: Many countries prohibit turn right on red. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like to tell you about stop signs.

  22. Algorithm: Zoolander routing by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Derek couldn't turn left either.

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  23. Too bad for UPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We don't allow right turn on a red light here. So they are still stuck waiting for traffic.

  24. NASCAR drivers need not apply. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

    All they do is turn left.

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    1. Re:NASCAR drivers need not apply. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they mostly drive straight, but they do turn to the left sometimes.

    2. Re:NASCAR drivers need not apply. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All they do is turn left.

      NASCARs and especially Indy cars are highly optimized for turning left and have difficulty with right turns (see http://freakonomics.com/2011/08/08/what-would-happen-if-nascar-tried-right-turns/)

    3. Re:NASCAR drivers need not apply. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I invented an algorithm that will allow NASCAR drivers who use it to eliminate left turns.

      It makes for a more exciting race, at least.

  25. Oldest Dup Ever by hondo77 · · Score: 3, Informative
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    1. Re:Oldest Dup Ever by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      A dupe is it? 9 Years ago the article quoted figures which would have been presented from 3 years in the future?

      I guess the real story here is time travel. ... Or not knowing that just because a story covers a similar topic does not make it a dupe.

    2. Re:Oldest Dup Ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is this old shit on /. again, after ten years? There's no real novelty in a decade-old story.
      Did UPS pay /. to boost their rep in anticipation of some scandal or other that is yet to reveal itself?

  26. Whay hasn't this always been done by doconnor · · Score: 1

    I would have thought that the first or second generation trip planning software would have weighted against left turns when it was written decades ago. It's pretty obvious change and would be simple to add to the algorithm.

    1. Re:Whay hasn't this always been done by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Python didn't exist that long ago.

  27. Re:I don't think you know what "eliminating" means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty sure you don't understand what 'eliminated' means.

  28. Make America great again! by mi · · Score: 3, Funny

    > Turns out that UPS was right

    I see what you did there.

    Let's eliminate left turns from government policy as well.

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    1. Re:Make America great again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      I get up

      I go out

      I go shopping

      I see my friends

      I visit my neighbors

      The only thing I see different is the amount of complaining on the internet.

    2. Re:Make America great again! by Boronx · · Score: 1

      I guess everything's ok then.

    3. Re:Make America great again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The amount of complaining on the internet hasn't change. It's just moved venues.

      There used to be people complaining about the country being run by a foreign-born non-Christian. Complaining that illegal executive orders amounted to amnesty for undocumented immigrants, and complaining that requiring people to document the means to pay for medical care that hospitals are required to provide amounted to communism. There's a long string of websites explaining how Obama was worse than Hitler. You just got used to it over the past 8 years.

      Now, there's people complaining that the country is being run by someone who lost the popular vote. Complaining that illegal executive orders amount to state sponsorship of Christianity. There's a string of websites explaining how Trump is worse than Hitler.

      We can argue whether Breitbart and Sean Hannity are equivalent to CNN and Rachel Madow, but don't imagine that the Obama administration was free of public outrage.

    4. Re:Make America great again! by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 0

      The only thing I see different is the amount of complaining on the internet.

      The problem is that much of the complaining on the internet is coming directly from the POTUS himself over trivial slights.

      That doesn't bode well for the outcome of any kind of real crisis in a world full of nukes. Then you might not have any friends or shops left to keep you distracted.

    5. Re:Make America great again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go advocate for white supremacy somewhere else. I'm sure Daily Stormer would love to have you.

    6. Re:Make America great again! by lgw · · Score: 1

      Please mod AC up. This - so much this. Same complaints about the president, different people complaining - the only real difference is the prevalence of the left of social media, so the complaints echo more in the chamber and seem louder. But it's the same dumb shit as always.

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    7. Re: Make America great again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't forget politics! Even if the article doesn't come close to being about politics, let's discuss politics anyway.

      Have you guys heard about Trump? No? That's great, let's continue beating that horse until it becomes great again and then we shall build a wall around it!

    8. Re: Make America great again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeh xianity or Jewish supremacy as dictated by the bible is so much better...

    9. Re:Make America great again! by Mats+Svensson · · Score: 1

      Yeah!

      And after a while even the screaming will stop, and everything will be perfect.

      What where those people on about anyway?
      "Help, help, I'm drowning!!!"?
      I checked, and I wasn't wet at all.

    10. Re: Make America great again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All religions are silly.

    11. Re: Make America great again! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't want balance but you want religion & prejudice to triumph over science, reason and compassion.

    12. Re:Make America great again! by mikelieman · · Score: 1

      There are legitimate questions about whether Donald J. Trump raped a 13 year old girl in 1994.

      That's a showstopper for anyone who isn't a piece of shit.

      Don't be a piece of shit.

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    13. Re:Make America great again! by lgw · · Score: 1

      There's just no way he raped as many women as Bill Clinton - unlike Trump, Clinot had the state troopers to round them up for him. Yeah - no one cares.

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  29. old news by Jodka · · Score: 4, Informative

    This "news" was posted about ten years ago on ./, by CmdrTaco on in December 2007.

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    1. Re:old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who's CmdrTaco?

    2. Re:old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, back in the day when we weren't subject to the political and often old news stories by msmash

  30. Productivity is bad by bussdriver · · Score: 0

    Seriously? You think eliminating 1000 trucks didn't cost some jobs?

    So then why do they need to hire more people or raise wages when they SAVED MONEY? Somebody got a relatively small bonus and the shareholders gained. They already have IT who came up with this in the first place. No need to hire more. The big savings was not FUEL it was in fewer trucks and drivers which by comparison dwarfs the fuel costs. They wouldn't have much savings if they kept those idle employees.

    Yeah, like robotic claws on garbage trucks didn't eliminate half the garbage men (which was a decent wage job.) I never saw my garbage costs go down either... maybe they stayed flat longer as a result.

    1. Re:Productivity is bad by avandesande · · Score: 1

      As USPS and Fedex have improved their offerings(and they have... usps tracking used to be a complete joke) can you assume that there wouldn't have been a reduction in miles without the change? Suppose shipping across the board cost twice as much. Would their be as many jobs for UPS drivers as there is now? People would just skip Amazon and Ebay if it was that expensive. Your understanding of economics is very simplistic and flawed.

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    2. Re:Productivity is bad by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      Eliminating the need to have 1000 trucks is not the same as eliminating 1000 trucks, now that you eliminated the need for 1000 trucks what you have done is lowered your costs thus allowing more business to come your way by lowering prices to your end customers, thus getting more business and making more money by running more transactions. Lowering your costs, lowering the costs to your clients while still keeping the same margins allows you to do more business with the same resources and get more profit. Being able to make money in a competitive environment is the best thing that society learned how to do, this way it can deliver more products to more people at lower costs while still being profitable. Being more profitable allows you to sell more of your services and become even wealthier in the process while serving more people at lower prices....

  31. It's the reduction in trucks saving distance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would assume the 747,000km reduction in distance traveled is due to them being able to eliminate the use of 1100 trucks from their fleet because each of the other trucks is more efficient time-wise and can cover a greater delivery area in a typical work day

  32. I did this on my own in Phoenix. by pecosdave · · Score: 1

    Phoenix is a nice big grid with lots of normal "surface road" traffic, at least it was in the 90's when I lived there. I found there was so much traffic that turning left was more trouble than it was worth so I would make multiple rights around the block to get where I needed most of the time, it was faster.

    Then I left for Houston - where if you see a road in one part of town and you see the road in another part of town in a straight line with the other place you saw it there's a pretty good chance it doesn't connect in the middle and and attempt at going around the block is likely to send you on a 10 mile journey of zigzagging roads in a neighborhoods with no marked way out.

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    1. Re:I did this on my own in Phoenix. by omnichad · · Score: 2

      there's a pretty good chance it doesn't connect in the middle and and attempt at going around the block is likely to send you on a 10 mile journey of zigzagging roads in a neighborhoods with no marked way out.

      This is part of urban planning in residential areas now because roads that aren't designed for high traffic might suddenly find themselves used as a bypass route otherwise.

    2. Re:I did this on my own in Phoenix. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Last month, in a Minneapolis suburb, I was going to a restaurant that had its lights off, so I saw it when I was driving by, and tried circling the block, knowing where to pull off this time. After half an hour, my wife called, and asked what I saw. Fortunately, we both saw the same Wendy's, so I was able to navigate by that. This was in a bloody commercial district, not a residential neighborhood.

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    3. Re:I did this on my own in Phoenix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      there's a pretty good chance it doesn't connect in the middle and and attempt at going around the block is likely to send you on a 10 mile journey of zigzagging roads in a neighborhoods with no marked way out.

      This is part of urban planning in residential areas now because roads that aren't designed for high traffic might suddenly find themselves used as a bypass route otherwise.

      This has been part of urban planning for a long time. What is new is ignorance of these concepts among "clever" people and amplified by "clever" apps.

  33. How they 'cut distance' travelled by gurps_npc · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you ignore the first article (Gadget 360) and click through the report hyperlink to
      http://www.independent.co.uk/n...

    Then you find out that by cutting left turns they increase distance per package, but reduce time per package. By reducing time per package, they managed to put more packages on each truck. Miles per truck goes up, but the number of trucks goes down far more.

    This reduction in total trucks also creates a slight reduction in distance traveled whenever two pickups are close to each other. So while miles per package goes up, total miles travelled drops tremendously.

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    1. Re:How they 'cut distance' travelled by chpoot · · Score: 1

      As one of the comments on the Independent story notes, the gains UPS achieved this way explain why roundabouts are so much more efficient than traffic lights. Moreover, as roundabouts allow left turns, they can increase efficiency without increasing distance (and while reducing accidents). The U.S., however, seems stoically anti roundabout. Every city appears to have a token roundabout, and it functions, as far as I can tell, to induce panic in all drivers and thus prevent more from being built.

    2. Re:How they 'cut distance' travelled by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

      The state of New Jersey has multiple roundabouts on their highways.

      Not so much in the cities, but their highways use them a lot.

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  34. Look at the big picture by mede · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course to get from point A to B, it takes more time when you eliminate left turns... But think that you actually have points A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H.. And Multiple trucks.. Meaning that maybe point B is not served by truck 1, even when it's two blocks away from its original route, but it's taken by truck 2 because it's better served by the no-left-turn algorithm..

    That's what I call economies of scale.. And not the idiot thing of being able to push your providers tu give you better prices because you're a big buyer..

    1. Re:Look at the big picture by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      It doesn't necessarily take more time. If you're sitting at a stop sign, waiting to turn left on a busy street, that left turn can take a long time, and it may be faster to do additional driving.

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    2. Re:Look at the big picture by tburkhol · · Score: 2

      The time argument against left turns is fairly obvious and was the motivation for the change in policy. The surprising result is that planning longer routes led to a reduction in total miles traveled.

      That is clearly not a result of taking a fixed number of routes and making each one longer, but must result from individual routes covering more stops, thus allowing elimination of some routes. In this case, elimination of about 1% of routes - a city that got divided into 100 territories with each driver making left turns can be divided into only 99 territories by avoiding left turns. The saved miles come from that one truck that doesn't have to drive all the way across town to start making deliveries. It wouldn't save mileage if you're a single truck serving a small town, but if you're delivering packages on the scale of UPS or FedEx, those saved seconds actually can be recovered.

  35. Also fewer accidents by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    Left turns have a higher rate of severe accidents as well.
    UPS also trains it's drivers to put their seatbelts on with their left hand. Why? Because they can start the engine with the right. Saves time.

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  36. Total distance traveled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "this USUALLY resulting in longer route"

    Usually, AKA more often then not. So if the 'no left turn' aglo results in more often than not longer routes, how did they reduce total distance traveled by more than 747,000km?

    1. Re:Total distance traveled by Imrik · · Score: 1

      Less time per delivery- > more deliveries per truck -> fewer trucks -> less distance repeated by multiple trucks

  37. This was in the news 30 years ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am sure that there must be something a bit more topical and tech oriented to be covered on /.

  38. Re:I don't think you know what "eliminating" means by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They did not specify which left turns they eliminated; they did not claim to have eliminated all of them. It's even stated in TFS "s. Of course, the algorithm does not entirely eliminate left turns, b"

  39. MOD parent up, by goombah99 · · Score: 2

    The penny finally dropped.

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  40. Consumer GPS needs this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why isn't GPS software doing this? I use Waze frequently for my daily commutes but I often reject its suggestions for avoiding traffic because it wants me to make a left turn from some side street onto an extremely congested four lane road. The time it takes me to make just that one turn can be a few minutes, and it is significantly more dangerous.

  41. Agreed. This is why NASCAR cars are so inefficient by raymorris · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now we know why NASCAR cars burn gas so fast - it's all the left turns.

    > Let's eliminate left turns from government policy as well.

    Agreed.

  42. Tires wearing out twice as fast (any relation?) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They justsaid their tires are wearing out twice as much as they used to and blamed it on the worse road conditions. It seems that a bit of actual data should be delivered to back up the claims. Clearly if they are also reducing left turns which saves time, they not only drive farther, but from the time saved drive that much longer again. This by itself (may) add to more tire wear (also depending on how damaging turning is). Regardless, there seems to be more things happening and I question the data behind the "tires wearing twice as fast" statement. Too many factors over time would need to be understood. All this being said roads to seem worse but just not sure to what extent.

  43. I avoid them for safety reasons by Minupla · · Score: 1

    After I got nailed making a left shortly after getting my license, I started thinking about left-turns and how much more dangerous they are then right turns. There's so many more things to account for, and more chances for other people to make errors that force me to take hazardous countermeasures. A NYC study showed they are 3 times more dangerous then right hand turns. So now unless doing the right would take me way out of my way, I do that instead.

    Remember, two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left :)

    Min

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    1. Re:I avoid them for safety reasons by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Remember, two wrongs don't make a right, but three rights make a left :)

      Min

      Only if you live in a city. Live in teh suburbs or a rural area, and even money 3 rights turns has you going back the same direction you started from.

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  44. Not optimal by Dan+East · · Score: 1

    While this might be "optimal" from a static, pre-planned routing scenario, even greater time / fuel savings can be achieved by dynamically routing based on the immediate traffic. It's funny this concept has resurfaced, because after reading about this years ago I've thought about several times while driving. There is a better way, which I call "opportunistic left turns". If I know I must make a left turn, and I have 5 blocks to travel before that intersection, then I simply make the left turn at the first available opportunity. That gives me up to 5 chances to make a left turn when oncoming traffic or the state of the traffic light is best. Just think for a moment of a UPS truck driving around an entire extra block when they could have made a single left turn without any delay due to traffic allowing it at that moment in time.

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    1. Re:Not optimal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a huge ego.

  45. Re:I don't think you know what "eliminating" means by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    The algorithm didn't eliminate any right turns, but it did eliminate some left turns.

  46. Counterintuitively, cheaper = jobs by raymorris · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > You think eliminating 1000 trucks didn't cost some jobs?
    > So then why do they need to hire more people or raise wages when they SAVED MONEY?

    At first glance that seems rather counter-intuitive, doesn't it? There is a suprise waiting around the corner.

    This has been studied over and over, so even the very fine details are well understood now, but pretty much all economists and most business majors. Here's a clear example that makes the big idea clear:

    Suppose it cost UPS $20/pound to make deliveries, so they charge $30/pound. How many books would people have ever ordered from Amazon? Roughly zero, because who wants to pay $30 shipping for a book.

    Suppose it costs UPS $1/pound, so they charge $1.50/pound. How many people order books from Amazon? A shitload. Giving Amazon the ability to expand into a million other products. How many people order stuff from Amazon now, with shipping costs low? A shitload. How many people are hired to deliver all the things people order from Amazon? A shitload.

    The general idea is that when costs are reduced, more people buy it. When more people buy something, that creates more jobs in the industry.

    In the early 1980s, mobile phones cost $3,995. Hundreds of people were employed in the mobile phone industry, selling hundreds of phones. Today you can get a mobile phone for $29, so millions of people get mobile phones, creating an industry with millions of jobs.

    1. Re:Counterintuitively, cheaper = jobs by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that UPS is at a huge disadvantage from a cost perspective vs USPS, since their infrastructure is already there for mail and the routes are already traveled, not to mention being supported by the taxpayer. Even a pseudo-government organization like USPS can eventually get their act together enough to harm UPS's business.

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    2. Re:Counterintuitively, cheaper = jobs by SmokeyRobot · · Score: 2

      This is true that UPS is disadvantaged against USPS however there are facts that need clarification.

      1. USPS doesn't take tax dollars. They have been revenue neutral since the 1970's.
      2. USPS doesn't own any planes so relies on FedEx and UPS cargo flights to move volume through the air
      3. USPS allows their infrastructure in rural areas to be leveraged for UPS and FedEx. This is called the Last Mile program.

      While they (USPS) do compete with UPS and FedEx, it is also very symbiotic more so than most people know.

    3. Re:Counterintuitively, cheaper = jobs by avandesande · · Score: 1

      They have been losing money every year as long as I can remember. Without government support they would be bankrupt....

      https://about.usps.com/news/na...

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    4. Re:Counterintuitively, cheaper = jobs by SmokeyRobot · · Score: 1

      Well it must be rough having memory only back 10 years.

      Up until the passing of the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act of 2006, the USPS was able to pass its Congressional mandate of being revenue neutral. After this act which put a financial burden of pre-funding benefits on to the USPS unlike any other government organization in existence the USPS has significantly been in the red.

      So you are actually wrong. Without government interference they would be revenue neutral again particularly by making business decision to alter service that Congress effectively blocks. They are also in serious debt but have yet to be bailed out by taxpayers so again I can factually state that they do not take tax payer money.

      Btw I am not speaking about these things off hand as you seem to be. I have worked in the industry for the past 8 years.

  47. man's rights by roman_mir · · Score: 0

    A man has the right to the left...

    - this literally translates from Russian as: every man has the right to cheat...

  48. This has been going on since 1998 by bigdady92 · · Score: 2

    When I worked at UPS all the driver's routes were built specifically to avoid left turns at all possible for all the above reasons. This is not a new concept, this is old UPS delivery tactics now brought to the forefront because of the use of tracking and analytics. It's a fluff piece for UPS that's all.

    I bet if you talked to folks who worked there longer you'd find that they've all been doing this for the whole time they've been driving .

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    1. Re:This has been going on since 1998 by avandesande · · Score: 1

      I am sure though that if this is done by guesses and experience it is still less efficient than a machine planned route. Also they may have previously been getting route plans that violated the rule....

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  49. Dupe by Verdatum · · Score: 1

    Slashdot reported this story already....In 2007. https://slashdot.org/story/07/...

    1. Re:Dupe by retroworks · · Score: 1

      Good call! And if I recall correctly, there was a funny joke about 'roundabouts'

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    2. Re:Dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think of it as less of a dupe, and more of a follow-up.

  50. more or less? by superdave80 · · Score: 1

    UPS truck drivers don't take left turns, and despite this usually resulting in longer route,...after it found that drivers have to sit idly in the trucks while waiting to take the left turn to pass through traffic.... it created an algorithm that eliminated left turns from drivers' routes even if meant a longer journey.

    Ah, I see, so they travel farther, but spend less time idling. Gotcha. Wait, wha...

    the company said that the total distance covered by its 96,000 trucks was reduced by 747,000km, and 190,000 litres of fuel had been saved.

    Soooo... are they traveling MORE miles or LESS miles?

    1. Re:more or less? by Imrik · · Score: 1

      The individual drivers and trucks are traveling more miles, the fleet as a whole is traveling less as they eliminated some trucks.

  51. Myth Busters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Myth Busters did an episode on this. I think they agreed with the fact that turning right 3 times to go left saved time a little time.

    Where I strongly disagreed with their test scenario was that they laid out a delivery route in a counter clockwise circle, so that the basic turn was always to the left. Then they compared a truck turning left with a truck turning 3 times right to go left.

    This is not what UPS is doing (if I understand correctly). They have their computers come up with a delivery plan that is a circle going clockwise. This way the basic turn would be to the right. This would save more time than what Myth Busters tested.

  52. The Original Original Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From the article linked FROM the article:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/why-ups-drivers-don-t-turn-left-and-you-probably-shouldn-t-either-a7541241.html

    The efficiency of planning routes with its navigation software this way has even helped the firm cut the number of trucks it uses by 1,100, bringing down the company’s total distance travelled by 28.5m miles – despite the longer routes.

  53. WTF? Why is this even news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesus H. Christ, this is some of the oldest fucking news Slashdot has ever deigned to post. I've known about this for a decade - which is when it originally made mainstream news (I wasn't a /. lurker at that time).

    1. Re:WTF? Why is this even news? by Imrik · · Score: 1

      It made it on Slashdot then too, this is just a review of the resulting savings.

  54. Next, how about solving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    their criminal customs brokerage fees at the Canadian border?

  55. Google Maps should add this feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Google Maps should add this feature as an option.

  56. Re:Agreed. This is why NASCAR cars are so ineffici by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's why, if I ever competed in a NASCAR race I'd drive in the opposite direction.

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  57. This is super old by gatkinso · · Score: 1

    I remember my great uncle cop telling me this in the 1980's.

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  58. My wife has been notified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have emailed this thread and the original article to my wife. I feel vindicated!

  59. Cars, not Trucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The brown vehicles that show up outside your house to deliver your package are called Package Cars, not Package Trucks. The term Truck (specifically Feeder Truck) is restricted to the semis that move packages between sort facilities normally.

    I am not sure why UPS is so adamant about the distinction, but if you work there and refer to it incorrectly you catch a lot of crap.

  60. Terrible fuel consumption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They might save more money if they had better fuel economy. Less than 4 km per litre is terrible - article mentions saving 197k L of fuel and 747k km distance.

  61. Mr. Eastwood by TooTechy · · Score: 1

    It appears Clint got it right all those years ago.

    "Right turn Clyde."

  62. Re:Agreed. This is why NASCAR cars are so ineffici by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd pay money to see that!

  63. With hybrid trucks does this even matter now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have seen a few courier trucks, not necessarily UPS, that are hybrid vehicles so no more gas engine idling. Are left turns even a concern now?

  64. Can someone tell the folks over at Waze? by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

    Their software not only has a preference for left turns, it seems to calculate that saving 1000 feet by directing you to a left onto a busy major road without benefit of a traffic light is quicker than driving those extra feet to an intersection with a traffic light, where you may wait for the light, but at least you're assured of getting in a left turn some time today.

  65. LHD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The company decided on eliminating left turns (or right turns in left-hand driving countries such as India)

    You seem to be mixing up "left hand drive" and "left hand traffic". India is a right hand drive country . The only place I've been where drive and traffic side are regularly the same is Russia, especially Siberia, where they import a lot of cars from Japan, built to Japanese specs. It just adds to the crazy experience of driving in Russia!

  66. Re: Even MORE incredible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can only guess how much they could save by also eliminating right turns.

  67. Old fucking news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn this is old fucking news.

  68. 20M miles saved NOT just due to left turns alone by instinct71 · · Score: 1

    I watched the youtube interview linked above and the gentleman from UPS says that 20M miles was saved NOT just from left turns but their "package" technology. Whereas the summary provided above claims left turns to be the sole reason. What's with the lack of attention ?

  69. DAMN! Being doing this all my life! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who knew that something that seemed so obvious to me for the longest time could have been monetized in some way. Anyone driving in any reasonably sized city should already have recognized that left turns are a time waster, and if they are a time waster for a car burning fuel their a fuel waster and that costs money. Of course for an individual its not likely all that much but as this demonstrates, for a 'fleet' of if properly applied by the driving world at large, it would likely to save BILLIONS. Of course once all the mapping software builds this in to their route suggestions everybody will be making mostly right hand turns, driving up congestion for those routes...so we better get started on building out infrastructure for right hand (or left hand depending on country) turning based advice...and then when EVERYONE else is doing that...I'll go back to taking left hand turns & beat all you suckers to where we're all going! :-)

  70. This is going to cost them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    UPS is going to be sad when NASCAR bans them from sponsoring any teams.

  71. Bogus complaints against President by mi · · Score: 0

    The amount of complaining on the internet hasn't changed.

    I'll concede, that there was complaining and there still is — from another direction. But the quantitative estimate needs citations — what makes you think, the amount hasn't changed?

    For example, over 8 years Obama racked up about a score of verified death-threats. It may be too early to tell for Trump, but if Bush is any indication, he'll have so many, Secret Service will stop investigating...

    Indeed, I can not recall anyone beaten up, or anything set on fire or otherwise destroyed during an anti-Obama protest...

    It's just moved venues.

    It also stopped being racist — as I keep pointing out — without becoming sexist instead...

    don't imagine that the Obama administration was free of public outrage.

    It having existed does not mean, there was just as much of it.

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    1. Re:Bogus complaints against President by bondsbw · · Score: 2

      Indeed, I can not recall anyone beaten up, or anything set on fire or otherwise destroyed during an anti-Obama protest...

      Arrest them. Throw them in jail.

      Then realize that what is left is a hell of a lot of people who are protesting peacefully because this administration does not represent the wishes and needs of the vast majority of the people in the country. I'm not a Democrat; I've never voted for a Democrat for federal office (twice for Bush and also for McCain), and I am damn tired of being cast as liberal/leftist because I do not toe the party line.

      Wake up.

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    2. Re:Bogus complaints against President by mi · · Score: 0

      Arrest them. Throw them in jail.

      My point was, AC's original claim about there being the same amount of protesting against Trump as there was against Obama, is not only unsubstantiated by citations, but probably outright wrong.

      a hell of a lot of people who are protesting

      Yep, you seem to concur.

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    3. Re:Bogus complaints against President by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      If you are simply refuting numbers, then sure... you're probably right.

      But I don't see how the item I quoted matters when just talking quantitatively. I suspect that your intention is to generally cast the protesters in a bad light by moving the conversation. Without that information, your point about numbers would still stand, but if anything it would support the notion that this administration is unpopular with reasonable people.

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    4. Re:Bogus complaints against President by mi · · Score: 0

      If you are simply refuting numbers, then sure... you're probably right.

      Yes, thank you. The topic of this subthread is whether or not the amount of complaining has noticeably increased or not compared to the Obama era. I argue, that it has.

      I suspect that your intention is to generally cast the protesters in a bad light

      We are drifting even further from topic, but yes, I do think, that all of the anti-Trump protesters are irreparably tarnished by the riots — and not just by the violence of some of them, but by the approval (both tacit and explicit alike) of that violence by the rest.

      Why aren't the TV talking-heads pestering Democrats to "renounce" the protesters the way they were demanding Trump denounce some White supremacist? Even when some pitiful Liberal voice objects to it, he is put into place by the Illiberal thugs projecting their own violent tendencies on the "evil" Trump-supporters.

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    5. Re: Bogus complaints against President by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm... I generally believe problems are solved by addressing the issues at hand as opposed to demanding apologies which are usually nothing but insincere words.

      Trump is president for good or ill. I am personally impressed that he managed to win with a genius strategy of convincing people he had no chance of winning and therefore shouldn't bother wasting their time voting.

      I believe he has no interest in "the issues" as he has nothing to gain from them. I believe he is interested in immortality. I believe he wants to be remembered as a Ramses, a Caesar or a Khan. He wants to leave a mark on the world to be remember for a thousand years. If he can exploit congress and the people to build a wall so big it can be seen from space and call it the "Trump Wall", he'll give the majority in congress anything they want to get it done.

      We should stop pointing fingers and crying fowl as instead focus on how we can provide him constructive outlets to reach his goal (which I'm absolutely convinced he will) and instead see if we can employ the tools he is making available to us to mitigate the problems likely to come from his form of politics.

      Is it possible we can make a better world when we have someone in office willing to do anything to get what he wants?

      Let's not for a second believe that Trump actually cares what happens to America in 20 years. Even if he does, he has proven that he has an agenda and is willing to buy the support he needs for it. So let's let him have his immortality and instead let's also try to make the world a better place.

    6. Re:Bogus complaints against President by Wycliffe · · Score: 1

      Then realize that what is left is a hell of a lot of people who are protesting peacefully because this administration does not represent the wishes and needs of the vast majority of the people in the country. I'm not a Democrat; I've never voted for a Democrat for federal office (twice for Bush and also for McCain), and I am damn tired of being cast as liberal/leftist because I do not toe the party line.

      Wake up.

      I know very few people who voted for Trump in the primaries. Everyone I know who voted for Trump either voted for Bernie or some other Republican in the primaries. Exit polls showed this as well with a large percentage of Trump supporters wanting a more liberal country. Trump only won because of the lack of runoff voting in the primaries and an exceptionally bad opponent who managed to cheat her way into the general election. Both sides severely underestimated the amount of anti-establishment in their own parties and Clinton was the ultimate establishment candidate.

    7. Re:Bogus complaints against President by mikelieman · · Score: 1

      It's wrong to treat Nazis like human beings.

      See a Nazi. Punch a Nazi.

      PROTIP: Don't stand next to Nazis.

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    8. Re: Bogus complaints against President by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Agreed, though I do know a few Trump primary voters (who really couldn't articulate a good case for their vote other than visibility). It was clear even during the primaries that the voting system needs an overhaul.

      I can understand the anti-Hillary voter. I can understand the party line voter. What I can't understand is the need to defend someone who is actively working against the voters who put him in power.

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    9. Re:Bogus complaints against President by mi · · Score: 0

      It's wrong to treat Nazis like human beings.

      Godwin's Law /prov./ [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups.

      Remember to logout, loser.

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  72. Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The move to eliminate left turns was the result of a lawsuit filed by Derek Zoolander when he worked for UPS before he was a male model, alleging discrimination because he couldn't turn left.

  73. Almost by kqc7011 · · Score: 1

    UPS has not eliminated left turns, maybe most left turns but not all. Headline and story writer should follow a UPS truck for a day or so and they would see plenty of left turns. The no left turn is probably more prevalent in higher traffic areas, but when the traffic is less, the left turn makes more sense.

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  74. So by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what if the delivery address is on a one way road where you can only turn left to ? :)

  75. Delivery Drones? by neoRUR · · Score: 1

    I wonder if all of their future Delivery Drones are going to go right also?

  76. Mythbusters figured this out a long time ago. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mythbusters figured this out a long time ago.

  77. As the old saying goes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do...

  78. We can only turn right where I live by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The funny thing is that during my 120 kilometer commute (or 240 up and down in total), I can only make right turns because every intersection I need to cross are roundabouts. It doesn't matter whether I have to go to the left, to the right or just straight ahead, for every direction I've to turn right to get to my destination. In the time of the old school traffic lights it was often frustrating to have to turn left (until 2011). Often you had wait 15-20 minutes before you finally had the chance to finally drive into the right direction. On my commute there were 4 left turns which took up to 1.5 hour of my daily commute (for only 500 meters of the 120 kilometer)

  79. Editors, please. by blibbo · · Score: 1

    You have space to put basically the entire story in the summary (that's another issue), but not mention this is a success-story update to a much older story?

  80. And that's just left turn;imagine they remove both by youn · · Score: 1

    If they can save millions by removing just the left turn... imagine how much they can save by removing both the left turn... AND the right turn :p

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  81. All benefit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep in mind that this UPS policy saves all of us time and gas, since it mean's we're not getting stuck behind one of their vans turning left nearly as often.

  82. 1,100 fewer trucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That's 1100 fewer American jobs. Someone call Trump! Make America Turn Left Again!

    1. Re:1,100 fewer trucks by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      Trump might accomplish that without even trying.

  83. Huh? by hackel · · Score: 1

    > despite this usually resulting in longer route

    > the total distance covered by its 96,000 trucks was reduced by 747,000km

    What? How does this make any sense? I could definitely believe it caused a fuel savings, but not a *distance* savings. Surely an ideal algorithm wouldn't be as simple as merely "no left turns," and take traffic as well as distance, fuel consumption, etc. into account.

  84. 3 rights make a left by swell · · Score: 2

    Thirty years ago the US Postal Service trained their carriers to prefer right turns. Not to save gasoline, but to avoid accidents. Three right turns turned out to be safer than one left turn according to the statistics they gathered. They also stressed the danger of getting into a situation that would necessitate backing up.

    You'd think someone would have suggested that to UPS (and other fleet operators) long ago.

    Today's trivia: Traffic jam- several vehicles need to cross a busy intersection; an ambulance, a police car, an army tank, a painted hippy Volkswagen, a Presidential vehicle, a Postal vehicle, a UPS truck, and a famous movie starlet in a pink convertible ... Who has the right-of-way? The Postal vehicle.

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  85. turning right on red not universal by great+om · · Score: 1

    I wonder if they still do this in areas like New York City, where you cannot legally turn right on red, either?

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  86. Eliminating Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A recent report by The Independent says ... there are 1,100 fewer trucks in its fleet because of the algorithm.

    Hmmm. It seems that clever humans can eliminate jobs faster than robots and automation.

  87. Re:"10s of millions" for a company as large as UPS by riverat1 · · Score: 1

    The savings don't just get distributed to a handful of executives in UPS. The execs are well paid but not that highly paid compared to the bankers and high profile execs you hear about all the time. The CEO's pay is probably less than $5 million/year but it's been 15 years since I worked for UPS. What the execs and other tech employees do get are stock distributions every year. I got about 1,400 shares in 10 years while I worked for them as a sys admin. I get over $3000/year in dividends from those shares. Those high level executives generally have hundreds of thousands or millions of shares so they're raking in the dividends but the profits get distributed equally on a share by share basis.

  88. That aint right by RuffMasterD · · Score: 1

    If there are no more left turn left on neither left nor right, then how many rights are left?

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    1. Re: That aint right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two wrongs don't don't make a right, but three lefts do!

  89. Michigan Left by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Works well where possible.

  90. this article is 10 fucking years old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    news my ass. fuck this cesspool

  91. Re: Agreed. This is why NASCAR cars are so ineffic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would save a lot of gas, though the first tank might be a write-off

  92. FedEx Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FedEx has been doing this for some time too. They developed an algorithm to optimize any route by avoiding left turns.

  93. NASCAR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So why then, doesn't NASCAR only do right turns?

  94. false, of course by DulcetTone · · Score: 1

    UPS drivers absolutely do make left turns. Who wrote this crap? Is it just the headline or does the story actually follow through on this falsehood?

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  95. Reduced Miles: Aggregate. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Individual trucks covered more miles, but better route planning saved time and allowed a single truck to cover more miles in a day, thus the number of aggregate miles was reduced.

  96. Obligatory XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://xkcd.com/1205/
    A few seconds add up quickly!