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Russia Considers Sending Snowden Back To US As a 'Gift' To Trump (nbcnews.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from NBC News: U.S. intelligence has collected information that Russia is considering turning over Edward Snowden as a "gift" to President Donald Trump -- who has called the NSA leaker a "spy" and a "traitor" who deserves to be executed. That's according to a senior U.S. official who has analyzed a series of highly sensitive intelligence reports detailing Russian deliberations and who says a Snowden handover is one of various ploys to "curry favor" with Trump. A second source in the intelligence community confirms the intelligence about the Russian conversations and notes it has been gathered since the inauguration. Snowden's ACLU lawyer, Ben Wizner, told NBC News they are unaware of any plans that would send him back to the United States. "Team Snowden has received no such signals and has no new reason for concern," Wizner said. Former deputy national security adviser Juan Zarate urged the Trump administration to be cautious in accepting any Snowden offer from Russian President Vladimir Putin. The White House had no comment, but the Justice Department told NBC News it would welcome the return of Snowden, who currently faces federal charges that carry a minimum of 30 years in prison. Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said talk about returning Snowden is "nonsense." If he were returned to American soil, Snowden -- a divisive figure in America who is seen by some as a hero and others as treasonous -- would face an administration that has condemned him in the strongest terms.
But at least your tech jobs will be protected by Trump's H-1B visa clampdown, right? Hope you can sleep well at night.
"Da, tvarish Trump, we are through with him now. Is for your amusement now."
snowden can buy us lunch then happy hour.
That said, I should add that the USA isn't like those other countries that do things outside the law.
Snowden should rest assured that all will be just fine.
I must add that sources like these remind me of events leading to how USA handled matters related to Saddam's "weapons of mass destruction."
We all know how that went, don't we?
If Clinton had won the election, it wouldn't be a better situation. She was also strongly opposed to the disclosure.
In practice we have no more 4th amendment in the United States and should repeal it officially rather than having the law on the books, and ignoring it utterly.
Also, if I were Snowden, I'd sure be working damned fucking hard on a way to take up residence in Iceland or some friendly, freedom-oriented jurisdiction. He's in Russia only until that's no longer convenient for the Russians. If he ever ends up back in the US again via choice or otherwise, he's going to be "made an example of". I don't think he can even depend on the average American to do the right thing here. Half of all of them are glad to throw out freedoms in exchange for (empty) promises of security.
Take care of yourself Ed. Lots of people are glad for what you did, but we can't help you against the full weight and PR-blitz the US govt can apply if they want to. Best thing for you to do is get the fuck out of anyplace that may hand you over.
Made up, accurate, or exaggerated intelligence information leaked to a "news" organization with known political ties. The senior analyst doesn't belong on the job.
Obama wanted him prosecuted as well.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
From your lips to God's ear.
But we'd better grab Soros junior, too. He's as bad as his father.
I think Snowden should be released with no charges once he's back here.
Need I say more?
TIME TO MARCH ON WASHINGTON??
This was so obvious even before the enthronement ceremony that I'm shocked even Slashdot regards it as news. (I'm being told you Americans prefer the obscure terminology "inauguration" for some silly reason?)
Snowden was merely a target of opportunity that Putin seized upon to embarrass that Obama fellow. Apparently still regarded him as some sort of worthy adversary or some such. Now that America's democracy has been hoisted upon its own petards, Snowden has certainly outlived his usefulness.
Then again, perhaps Putin shouldn't count too heavily on his buddy-buddy relationship? I'm believing the reports of #PresidentTweety's increasingly erratic behavior. Maybe he'll go nuts and trigger the 25th even before he has a REAL presidential crisis? Snowden might be a more valuable chip if saved for Pence?
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Trump tweeted the "execution" judgment in July. Not defending him, but it was twitter, before election, and Trump has said a lot of outrageous shit on twitter.
Snowden is literally "bagged" and flown to the US, right on the white house's doorstep.
This doesn't pass the smell test.
One thing that the Russians (and, for that matter, the Americans) understand well is protecting people who turn to their side. If the Russians send Snowden back, it will be a long time before they get another actual defector* to come out of the cold.
* Snowden is not a defector.
I feel confident in my hunch that president Trump isn't versed in ancient literature, so I hope someone reminds him of Virgil's quote:
"Beware of Greeks bearing gifts"
Anything Russia offers up as a gift should be viewed with some strong skepticism. Back during the late cold war, there was an excessive amount of anti-soviet paranoia. Now, it seems that there isn't enough...
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
A senior US official said so. That's good enough for me. Run it as if it was 100% true on Friday at 5pm. Great journalism guys.
This should be treated as fake news until confirmed by the Russian government. US intelligence is known to lie (e.g., WMDs, Clapper/Obama, etc..) just as much as the MSM.
I'd hang you by yours, but you they're obviously too small to wrap any rope around.
I too am American. Baseball and rock and roll! How could the west led by Obama allow USA to send Snowden to Russian and then say its bad for country? This is fake news at most!
Already been confirmed as fake news. Look where it is coming from. His residency has already been extended to the year 2020. And spokespeople for Russia have already stated "Nonsense"
We're going to grab george soros and hand him to putin in exchange for snowden who will get yelled at and then pardoned.
A nazi dies in russia. Everyone else wins. Everyones happy.
That is a hateful, slanderous lie. You should be ashamed of yourself. The smear campaign is entirely fabricated with no basis in reality. Soros wasn't even old enough to join the Nazis. Get your ridiculous, ill-informed, slander out of here. You need mental help.
If they do this, it wouldn't be to "curry favor" with Trump, it would be a move to further destabilize the US. As a result of multiple factors (including Russian interference) we have a the most unpopular president in a century who is extremely divisive. Returning Snowden would be a move to stoke those flames and cause more unrest. There are many reasons for doing this but ultimately, a less stable US is better for their own nation.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
Trump manages to do something just in three weeks that started with Obama and never managed to finish it in the past three years.
You're looking at Snowden, but there will be a quid-pro-quo deal, in exchange Trump will lift sanctions against Russia as fake reward for sending over Snowden. The real purpose here is to have an excuse to lift sanctions for Trump to sell to the GOP, not for Snowden.
Once again, please be clear here, Trump did a deal with Putin and it's worth more to Putin that Trump blocking Cyber security bills, attacking NATO, and removing the military from the National Security Council. Putin will get trade sanctions lifted and everything else besides in exchange Trump will get hacking help in the next election.
Can I remind you of some of my other predictions.... namely 6 eyes, Russia added to 5 eyes on excuse of fighting ISIS? Or Iran attacked to force them over to Russia, giving Russia effective control of the region.... that one is also in progress.
I have found that the American thing to do is to pretend to care about your fellow man while possessing no such interest, which is why disabled people are treated so bad, and I am unAmerican for pointing it out.
Considering the ends of "things", breaking things sounds good.
Under the Constitution only books have rights... or imaginary creatures or something-something... Rats!
I don't know, considering the characteristics of the fictional character billed "The Greatest American Hero".
The two sources are both from the US intelligence -- the same intelligence community that sold us the debunked "Russia hacked the US election" story. The same intelligence community that The Intercept reports as being increasingly powerful political actors and manipulators in the US, and that The Intercept reported as having an interest in undermining the democratically-elected Trump administration, and by extension the democratic process itself.
All the other parties involved -- the US government, the Russian government, Edward Snowden & friends -- deny the story.
There are no other sources other than the US intelligence, and they have a recent history of lying for political reasons. They're not credible sources. Plainly, it's bullshit.
"You should never doubt what nobody is sure about." -- Willy Wonka
So you slept through Constitutional Law.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
.. because ex-KGB agent Putin has gotten all the secret data he's going to get, and has grown fucking tired of this American hipster prima donna.
FTFY
Never been there. That's an odd place to take the conversation. Maybe something that should be taught in K-12 in America but isn't.
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... should be taught in K-12 in America but isn't.
Citation, please.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
were born that surpassed even my idealsâ"the gundam pilots. Tradition appears blurred alongside their true feelings. From a historical point of view, warriors who have lost what they were protecting and were further betrayed by those they were protecting are losers. But they do not recognize themselves as such. Not only that, but they retain a strong will to continue fighting. The emotions of those who were thought to be beautiful are always full of sorrow, and honored tradition disappears in the cry of the weak. Winners of a battle will eventually decline in power and become losers, and then those âlosersâ(TM) will cultivate a new leader.
For the fact that Constitutional law isn't taught in America K-12? Either you are not an American or are way out of touch with reality. American schools barely touch on matters of law.
Would much rather see him stuck in Russia forever than in a jail cell.
I just hope they freeze Snowden in carbonite and ship him by bounty hunter.
Actually, I retract my challenge. I'm 71 years old and I don't see any evidence of quality education in America (at least by any Americans).
Either you are not an American or are way out of touch with reality.
Or maybe I'm referencing my generation.
I concede your point.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
what drugs are you taking
It's a drug called "Gundam Wing": http://www.oocities.org/televi...
That makes me think that maybe lawless meant something different when (if?) there was a time when many/most people knew much about law. Under the definition as I understand it not being lawless merely means that people try not to break whatever laws that may exist. Under that alternative definition, it seems the world is largely lawless at the moment. What comes of that...
To clarify, the alternative definition being the one in the world where many/most know the law somewhat.
But to the point of this addendum: I have long stopped caring and have conceded that I am a criminal. In the reality we find ourselves in, in order to be free, I believe that it is necessary to be a criminal. I also find it helps to be aware of that situation. I don't know how to rectify it.
Last I heard America took him for awhile then threw him back. https://www.bing.com/search?q=...
I meant to start the copy after the sentence fragment that got included that referenced Gundams. Slashdot needs to fix its Unicode support. (among other things)
deez nutz!
Well if they stop, it will be more assuredly 8 instead of 4.
So, what? So has everyone else. The law doesn't mean anything anymore.
You mean to tell me if you leak tons of info illegally and spit in people's faces you might have to face some consequences? Life is so unfair.
I'm glad that future generations are quoting children's cartoons.
As well you should. The day that children's cartoons don't contain anything worthy of quoting is the day we raise dumb kids. This has already happened quite a bit, but I haven't found the Gundam series I have watched to blame.
If that collection of bullshit in the bible can last thousands of years, I say Gundam has a chance!
Post-truth world --> Post-law world
Entertainment is the only thing to be taken seriously.
anonymous intelligence sources in the media is always manipulation.
fakey fake fake fakery.....
Snowden == Ultra Ball.
is Uganda.
It's been on the todo list since 1999. They might get round to it by 2099.
Russia is kicking ass now
"US intelligence" .. hahahaha
and the games they play.
Let's put this story out there and see if we can get him to panic and / or introduce some suspicion to his relationship with the Russian government.
If I were Team Snowden, I would respond with dusting off another, yet to be released, bombshell about what potentially illegal activities the NSA has been up to.
The rule on presidential gifts says that if the gift is worth more than something like $300, it has to go into the National Archive.
Boy... I hope that they poke some air holes in the box that they store him in.
That's why i take feminists seriously. They are a great source of entertainment.
It's like looking at a rally of Westboro Baptist Church members, except you replace "fags" with "white males" on the signs,
and you replace KKK costumes with vagina costumes (or topless with marker dribbles on the saggy breasts).
Keep him. He is a traitor and it is better that he lives his life in Russia, China, or north Korea. In fact, Russia, if u are really done with him, send him to north korea or Somalia.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Edward being handed over to the US authorities. I think it would cause the third Russian revolution, a kind of Storming of the Bastille.
Russian society gave to the world such great [real] freedom thinkers as Mikhail Bakunin, who has got quite a few followers nowadays.
Has turned into Hillary dick ridingfest never so many snowflakes in one place
It's from the "Nobody But Clinton" network.
Like much of the stuff NBC shovels, it's probably completely baseless and all backed-up by "anonymous sources" who we can safely conclude do not exist given that these "news" agencies never seem to "out" their "anonymous sources" after those supposed sources are exposed as having been completely wrong.
Consider:
If you are a news agency and you have ACTUAL sources who demand anonymity in exchange for juicy stories and they repeatedly are shown to have lied to you and the stories based on their work have damaged your brand, why would you not expose them and tell everybody who these liars are??? A real anonymous source is only valuable and only deserving of identity protection if he is providing true information. Why would an agency protect the anonymity of fakers when that only encourages more fake "sources" to appear with more fake information? The protection of these sources only makes sense if the real secret is that there ARE no sources and the stuff is being made up by the journalists themselves.
Good, you're browsing at level0/-1, you deserve to know that modern Russia is a country governed by law and there is no way for them to send Snowden back to the US, nor do they plan to for that matter. This is bullshit made up by a few bs mainstrwam journalists wanting to fill their papers with bogus stories which was then taken up by other journalists who ran with it. Russia has nothing to gain from this whatsoever and frankly they don't give western "journalism" the time of day anymore. And again, Russia could not even if they wanted to, and they don't even have one court even half as corrupt and agenda driven as the 9th circuit
I take feminists seriously because there are more of them than of us
Piss them off enough and you get juries that vote acquittal in every Loreena Bobbit case that comes along
And even a would-be thug would know better than to go to sleep beside one of them once the Carving License is issued.
Is Snowden a principled brave American Hero(tm) standing up for "Truth, Justice, and the American Way" who exposed corruption as a service to the public who adore him etc?
or
Is Snowden a simpering coward who stole secrets he swore to protect and then ran off to Russia via China?
There's a reason why he was willing to spill American secrets to non-American internet sites, and then bail out of the country to avoid the consequences rather than use the legal whistleblower processes and perhaps seek the protection of congress while staying in the US. It's also suspicious that Snowden, the supposed paragon of virtue, sought refuge first in a Marxist dictatorship and then in Putin's Russia. I thought the meme-of-the-day is that Trump is a puppet of uber-bad-guy Putin, and the fact that Trump wants a better relationship with Putin's Russia is proof that Trump is evil and must be driven from office. How is that consistent with Snowden as national hero being protected from evil US government by the benevolent Mr. Putin?????
The political left in the US needs to discover a self-consistent narrative... the current messed-up and contradictory narrative provides little more than humerous entertainment.