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US National Weather Service Suffered 'Catastrophic' Outage; Website Stopped Sending Forecasts, Warnings (miamiherald.com)
jo7hs2 quotes a report from Miami Herald: On a day when a blizzard is pasting Maine and Northern California faces a dire flooding threat, several of the National Weather Service's primary systems for sending out alerts to the public have failed. As of approximately 1:15 p.m. Eastern Time, products from the National Weather Service ceased disseminating over the internet, including forecasts, warnings and current conditions. The Weather Service's public-facing website, Weather.gov, has not posted updated information since the outage began. Ryan Hickman, chief technology officer for Allison House, a weather data provider, called the situation "catastrophic." Hickman said two core routers for transmitting information from the Weather Service offices out to satellites, which beam the information back to public service providers, had stopped working. Hickman added that another backup system known as the Emergency Managers Weather Information Network (EMWIN) was also not operating.
Slashdot reader jo7hs2 notes: "The systems are back up as of Monday evening."
Slashdot reader jo7hs2 notes: "The systems are back up as of Monday evening."
So many ignorant people here. The drought was fucking man made, this so called spill happened only at 28% capacity, spillway was damaged with a bomb, don't believe the media, wake the fuck up.
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THERE IS NOW EVIDENCE THE OROVILLE DAM SPILLWAY WAS BLOWN WITH EXPLOSIVES
The engineers are totally confused at what happened, and are saying they can't explain it because "it was not supposed to do that". That is engineering lingo for "there is something seriously unexplained here". Yeah, like 2,000 pounds of high explosives.
They probably will not be able to make the mental leap to that conclusion however, because, you know, the brain wash.
A giant dam in Northern California (the largest dam in the United States) suffered a major failure in its spillway when it was operating at 28 percent output capacity. Forget what others are saying about how "huge" the outflow was because the outflow from this particular dam is always huge. Some say it was at 60,000 cfs when it failed, others say it was at 70,000 CFS when it failed, but when it can handle 250,000 cfs that's just a trickle no matter how huge it looks on camera.
I strongly suspect it was destroyed by a bomb by communists and subversives in California's government. I find it extremely odd that this enormous water resource has been crippled right when it could save California agriculture after an extended and proven fabricated drought, which absent the draining of the dams on purpose would have meant nothing. It is proven that the dams were drained in the name of giving tons of water to a fictitious fish called the "delta smelt", which was an invasive species dropped in the Sacramento River delta by settlers 100 years ago. It does not belong there anyway, so saying it is endangered is pure fiction, and nothing but an excuse to destroy California. A textbook communist tactic.
Due to the well proven fact that California has been over-run by subversives who fully intend to destroy America, I believe it is perfectly rational to state a high but unprovable probability that the destruction of the spillway at the Oroville dam was done with explosives. "Made In America" does not fail at 28 percent capacity, "made in America" fails at 300 percent capacity, when this dam was built America usually overbuilt everything by that much. It is irrational to the fringe of lunacy to think that there would be any reason at all, other than intentional sabotage and destruction for this to have happened.
Now the dam is filling at a record rate, and over the last two days has used 230,000 acre feet of it's 500,000 acre feet remaining reserve. My estimate, probably bang on. And the snow runoff season has not even started, with record snowpack. The dam cannot release enough water through the power station to get rid of the water that is coming in, the spillway is needed for this. They can either use the spillway and destroy it entirely, or allow the water to flow over the top of the natural part of the dam (which has trees, roads, it is just basically a mountain) and hope to God the natural materials can handle having that much water running over them. At this time, "that much" is equal to the flow over Niagra Falls. When the spring runoff hits, it will probably be more than that.
My big worry is that even if the natural mountain can handle that, that there are probably additional explosives embedded, that will be set off once enough water is flowing to obscure the blasts. Granted, this dam is in a remote region but it is designed to hold 4.3 cubic kilometers "business as usual" and will be holding (by my estimate) 4.8 cubic kilometers of water when it over tops. That is a recipe for a serious disaster.
To sum it up: There is a very tense situation developing in Northern California that could result in absolute catastrophe. There is nothing the engineers can do, because the hole is 30 feet deep, 100 feet across and 200 feet tall. This will be impossible to fill in only two days, which is approxima
Americans Get What We Deserve
Jeremiah 17:5, âoeThus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth
in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.â
In 1962, prayer was banned from the public school system. Teachers were thereafter forbidden from leading students in prayer. In 1963, the Word of God was banned from America's public school system. Teachers were no longer allowed to read the Bible at the beginning of each school day. Then in the 1960's, the myth of evolution began to be widely taught in our public schools. The consequences have been devastating to America. The graphs below are NOT opinions. They are fact! Please pay careful attention to 1962 and 1963, the years that our tax dollars began paying for the brainwashing of our children.
As we listen to the news each day decades later, we are hearing about the most horrifying things happening. We are now paying for our rebellion against God. I just heard on the news yesterday (April 4, 2009) about a madman in Birmingham, New York, who shot and killed thirteen people. In Massachusetts, a 38-year-old mother stabbed her 2-year old daughter to death with a pair of scissors. In Oak Lawn, Illinois, a 17-year-old boy murdered his 46-year-old mother. In Sun Prairie, Wisconsin, a 24-year-old man stabbed his 31-year-old neighbor to death with a sword. This is all in yesterday's news.
We read hundreds of similar stories every week in the United States. We are getting what we deserve as a nation for forsaking God. Here are some Scriptures which are applicable to the United States today...
Proverb 14:34, âoeRighteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.â
Job 4:8, âoeEven as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same.â
Psalms 55:11, âoeWickedness is in the midst thereof: deceit and guile depart not from her streets.â
Psalms 84:10, âoeFor a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.â
Proverbs 30:20, âoeSuch is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness.â
Ecclesiastes 3:16, âoeAnd moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.â
Ecclesiastes 7:15, âoeAll things have I seen in the days of my vanity: there is a just man that perisheth in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man that prolongeth his life in his wickedness.â
Ecclesiastes 7:25, âoeI applied mine heart to know, and to search, and to seek out wisdom, and the reason of things, and to know the wickedness of folly, even of foolishness and madness.â
It's Not That Hard to Figure Out
Every time there's a horrible crime committed in America, the manure-spreading newsmedia flocks to witnesses, friends and relatives of the victim(s) to get their opinion. People always say the same lame things. They make statements such as, âoeBill was the best guy in the world. It makes no sense. Why would anyone want to hurt a great guy like Bill?â Or they'll say something like, âoeJane gave a lot to
Let me guess - the shooting incident at Sandy Hook Elementary School was filmed on the same soundstage where they faked the moon landings, right?
Can't have that kind of information just floating around where anybody can see it now, can we? I wouldn't be surprised if meteorologists at National Weather were instructed to have any information released to the public cleared by the White House first? It wouldn't do to have it known publicly what our weather is going to be tomorrow, would it?
Lol they show you a footage and you immediately believe their story? What are you fucking retarded?
You CNN type viewers/shills are so fucking stupid.
Try not to start an argument on the internet when you're not protected by a studio, you sound fucking retarded.
Google "Sandy Hook victims still alive":
Video Evidence: Many of the Sandy Hook "Victims" are ALIVE and Well
The Sandy Hook HOAX: Nancy Lanza is ALIVE
Fake news for stupid people.
You low IQ morons don't belong on geek sites, fuck off.
Just... look out of the window
Please Google the 'Dunning-Krugar Effect' and note that there's at least 12 years of documented history and video evidence of the weak spot in the spillway.
There's real engineering here and there's people working today that weren't there 12 years ago that may well have not known about the issues documented prior.
There's no conspiracy here you nutter.
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
Don't most people consider weather forecasts "fake news" anyway?
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
You have to be brain dead to not realize the official Sandy Hook story is complete bullshit.
It's alright, I know you're probably one of those underpaid psy-op staff in NSA/GCHQ hired to respond to keywords to dumb down the population. Your grand children will be proud.
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People have questioned the official story due to a number of obvious anomalies including lack of physical evidence proving that anyone was killed, lack of surveillance video showing the alleged shooter at the school, the secretive and quick demolition of the school itself only months later, an emergency drill going on at the same time as the alleged event, Robbie Parkerâ(TM)s fake crying and much more. At this point there is very little doubt that the official story is a lie.
That's not what the real engineers said, "Video evidence" on CNN doesn't mean shit when the numbers simply don't add up.
Nice try. Thanks for playing.
Not even the weather system is working under the new "president"
covers local emergency situations, such as levee breaches/flooding, tornados, and probably dozens of other things. If it is considered an 'Act of God' the NWS is who will probably warn you it is happening and to find shelter/get out ASAP.
Where do you get your news, infowars.com?
Sometimes I think the current regime only says some of the ridiculous things it does to distract us. Then I realize that they just aren't that smart.
It totally is Trumps fault, because if he had been paying federal taxes like he is supposed to, like EVERYBODY ELSE, the gov't could have afforded to fix this problem 10 years ago. But no, he refused to pay his taxes, and now he wants to give himself a yuge tax break. Of course, he has to ask Putin for permission...
Sleep your way to a whiter smile...date a dentist!
Where do you get your news, infowars.com?
Funny you say that. While infowars wasn't reporting on it(until yesterdayish), sites like breitbart and very small media outlets were reporting about the dam being highly stressed and having a high chance of failure. This 3 days(you can find local CBS and Fox news stations having multiple articles on it) before the big media outlets were, and it was one of the top stories on /r/conspiracy on the 10th and 11 and how the MSM wasn't reporting on it at all. That the dam was over capacity and the chances of it failing were increasing by the hour. Lot of people were also left wondering why the media and officials dealing with the dam were saying "don't worry, everything is fine" at 12pm yesterday then suddenly issuing emergency statements at 5pm on the same day and evacuation orders and people "really needed to leave now." That was when the dam was overflowing on the emergency spillway already, and the primary spillway already had a gaping hole in it and the lake level was going up by 2ft/hr.
That of course meant the highways were suddenly packed with people trying to get out of the evacuation zones. Instead of say starting voluntary evacuations on the 10th, and then staggered evacuations on the 11th. It's not out of the danger zone by any stretch right now. There's no way they're going to lower the water level by 50ft by today/tomorrow and depending on how the incoming storm tracks they could see another 2-4' water rise. The entire thing reeks of either political individuals leaning on the team overseeing the dam because they didn't want to create a panic. Or a level of incompetence so staggering that it wasn't until a bunch of engineers marched up and said: "If you don't order evacuations, we'll go to the press right now."
Om, nomnomnom...
The neat thing about telling people about the 'Dunning-Krugar Effect' is its self feedback. A "low ability" individual thinks that he is "high ability". He is then sent to the Wikipedia article where he reads that "high ability" individuals underestimate their competence. Since he thinks he is "high ability" he figures "Ah! I have been underestimating my competence. I am even more competent than I thought."
Lovely!
Is there any possible justification for withholding full details of the failure, in the public interest? If a bridge had collapsed instead, would it be possible to withhold details? Is it OK for this to just happen again at some random time?
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
In the situation you describe I would expect the shit-posting to intensify.
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
What you two morons don't realize is that jimstone was created by a former NSA analyst.
He knows a lot more than you two idiots.
Look up climate gate 1 and climate gate 2.
The GW shills faked the data. Instead of putting sensors in the ocean, they put them on god damn fishing boat, so they can draw the OMG WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE IN 10 YEARS!!!!!11!1!1 graph.
Don't waste your time, trying to educate these morons with facts is like trying to teach monkeys astrophysics.
Oh, it has, it has.
Watch the George Webb series on youtube to get unbrainwashed.
If they are capable of satanic child sacrifice and child traffic and organ selling, there is no limit what they can do.
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If it keeps on rainin' levee's goin' to break
If it keeps on rainin' levee's goin' to break
When the levee breaks I'll have no place to stay.
Mean old levee taught me to weep and moanâ¦
Learning HOW to think is more important than learning WHAT to think.
To be clear, the Weather Channel and it's owners/affiliates do not own or operate weather.com.
IBM does.
"The Weather Company was previously owned by a consortium made up of The Blackstone Group, Bain Capital, and NBCUniversal. That consortium sold The Weather Company's product and technology assets to IBM on January 29, 2016, but retained possession of The Weather Channel cable network. As part of the purchase, the Bain/Blackstone/NBCUniversal consortium entered into a long-term licensing agreement with IBM for use of its weather data and "The Weather Channel" name and branding"
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Also, it's amazing how many "catastrophic" network events are over and gone before lots of people even noticed they happened.
I'm not sure that word means what they think it does.
Actually no taxes are due, once you start digging into his companies, you quickly realize they're not what they seem.
Typically, he'll borrow a large sum, e.g. $150 million to do a project. To justify this sum, he claims he's spending double or triple that. e.g. $300 million. In actuallity, he spends half that, say $75 million. The other $75 million is skimmed off the top in fees to Trump corp, which funds his lifestyle and funds the interest on a lot of previous loss making projects.
In other words he's simply skimming capital as expenses, and it's very ponzi in nature, he needs to keep making new projects to fund the interest on the old projects.
He's not some sort of tax genius (or even seems to understand what the GDP number is, or the difference between earnings and revenue), and it doesn't seem to be the kind tax dodging that Jared Kushner's dad was convicted for. Rather it's much simple, deceive investors, skim their capital off as costs into Trump corp, then live off that, recycling some of it as Trumps portion of investments.
Yeah, but monkeys made it to space first. And they got the hairless apes to do all the hard work.
the Ruskies yanking on Trump's chain, reminding him who's boss.
Every time I think /. has hit bottom, they find a new low. Thank you /. for reminding me that we can always plumb new depths. Now excuse me while I go off to reddit which sadly and bizarrely usually has a better discussion of programming developments in $language.
He raided every budget in the government to try and cover the cost of Obamacare. This and many other systems are long overdue for proper maintenance.
Knowing how not to pay taxes legally is not a crime. We should celebrate it, because it is the proof that the IRS and Congress needs to re-write bit's of the tax code so that everyone pays the a proportion.
if you see me, smile and say hello.
so things are starting to fall apart since he became our rulter. He is going to kill people with this recklessness, and now he is illegally hiding his hate by refusing to tell the truth abut the weather just as he forced Obama to delete most of whitehouse.gov before Trump became our ruler. This hiding of information is how those people be. It hurts their fake news spew so they hate us and destroy all real information. Just look at how bad even Microsoft NBC has gotten. They used to be centrist, but now they're hard-core fascist. Even Rachal Madcow was spewing love for the rump today. She doesn't hate rump like she should. It's not just her. Other information liars on Microsoft NBC also spew rump love. They're getting to be as bad about rump love as the Faux Knews. They refuse to tell the truth about how rump is putting a quarter of a million people at risk by not doing repairs to this dam.
Exactly. Trump's refusal to fix the dam could easily kill hundreds of thousands of people and do billions of dollars woth of damage. My house would be under more than a hundred feet of water in the worst case if this Trump-created disaster.
It's about time they stopped disseminating over the Internet.
This. Because Trump has done nothing since his coronation, this dam is falling apart. He should have fixed this.
I lived in the San Joaquin valley, and saw this myself: CALIFORNIA HAS NO DROUGHT, IT IS A HOAX
I lived in the San Joaquin valley, and saw this myself: CALIFORNIA HAS NO DROUGHT, IT IS A HOAX.
THE FOLLOWING PROVES IT:
PHOTOS OF DAM DRAINAGE AS IT HAPPENED - THE END of the California orange
The following photos are absolute proof they drained the dams on purpose, causing severe flooding and NEVER gave california growers a SINGLE DROP for the sole purpose of killing all the orange orchards, grape vineyards and almond groves. It is important to note that with any war effort waged by the usurpers of a conquored government, that fake documentation will be produced by the government to support the lie. That is when you have to use photos to prove that the documents, which show a drought and reduced out flows, are fake.
HERE IS THE PROOF. 2011 was called a drought year that was so bad they could not give the farmers any water (heads up, this is good).
But how can that be true when the Sacramento river looked like THIS:
WELL, People noticed that, so they hatched the lie that the flooding happened because the rain was selective, and all fell in the valley and not in the mountains, which is why the dams were "empty" and they could not give the growers any water. And the media stuck with the lie, and the people trusted the media. BIG MISTAKE.
THIS is how it looked in the mountains:
THIS is how it looked on the outflow of the dams
AND THIS IS HOW IT LOOKED BEHIND THE DAMS IN 2011, THEY WERE CHOCK FULL TO THE BRIM, AND STILL THE GROWERS GOT NO WATER:
CHECK MATE, THE ENEMY OF AMERICA, THE NEW WORLD ORDER AGENDA 21 ZIONIST, HAS BEEN BUSTED. HOW CAN YOU GO FROM HAVING THE DAMS BE LIKE THIS, ABOVE, IN 2011, GIVE THE GROWERS NO WATER AND THEN HAVE THE DAMS LOOK LIKE THIS, BELOW IN 2013? THEY DON'T JUST DRY UP, YOU ARE BUSTED.
My guess for all of this? It is possible they are bankrupting all the growers by killing all the legacy trees via denial of water, trees which are not GMO, so that one billionaire can move into the valley, buy it all, plant it entirely with GMO and ram GMO down America's throat. It could also be that they are planning a mass starvation of the American people, and the San Joaquin, which produces practically everything from almonds to grapes to strawberries to oranges, enough for much of the world, has to be killed before they can actually succeed in starving America. With much of what the San Joaquin produces, you can't get it back in a year, it will take decades so it won't do any good to just start managing the water properly once everyting is dead, it will take years to come back. By then the starve off will have been accomplished.
UPDATE:
They responded to this article QUICKLY. There is no underground water left as some state, all of it was pumped out in 2009 and 2010 to save the orchards when they cut the water off, and now the ocean has back flowed all the way to the valley and they can only pump salt. The water is GONE. And WHY was the San Joaquin at flood stage for three consecutive years during a "drought" if they were not letting the dams go to kill the San Joaquin valley ON PURPOSE as I clearly show below?
DO NOT fall for the lies which have been and will no doubt continue to be hatched to bury this act of war, a little common sense will go a LONG WAY here. The original reason for the water shortage was to save the "delta smelt", and they evolved it into a lie about a drought which never happened. The truth is that in the bay there were salinity problems with certain species due to too much fresh water entering the bay. Its all documented here folks, read it and weep for the California Orange.
I am re-posting this with updates because it is so important.
I was actually in the San Joaquin valley when the effort to destroy it started. In 2008 I saw the Sacramento river carrying all the water from the dams straight to the ocean,
Okay. Now THAT's funny!
More blood on Trump's tiny hands.
Hello GCHQ/NSA employee, how is work today?
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The uncertainty is killing us. Since there's nobody with a reputation worth destroying left, us boys down in the basement are fearing for our jobs. Maybe we get some new positions in journalism, I heard they're looking for a few imaginative people to come up with news.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I see what you did there. Bravo, very subtle.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
This. Because Trump has done nothing since his coronation, this dam is falling apart. He should have fixed this.
He's got a Wall to build, you insensitive clod. Check your priorities.
At least we know that the new Trump guy arrived.
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But, no, you said, it's safe you said.
Right.
Sure.
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It's Trump's Fault! Waaaaaaaaah!
You're actually a bot from some .ru domain, aren't you?
The way he talks, he IS infowars. Seriously listen to the owner of infowars talk sometime. The man belongs in a straitjacket for his own protection.
Lot of people were also left wondering why the media and officials dealing with the dam were saying "don't worry, everything is fine" at 12pm yesterday then suddenly issuing emergency statements at 5pm on the same day and evacuation orders and people "really needed to leave now."
While not knowing the specifics I can provide some insight into how it typically works in engineering when there is a problem.
1. Someone raises the problem.
2. A meeting is stood up with a whole lot of heads in the room. Some will be new and recommend immediate evac. Some will have been there for 30 years and it wasn't as f'n bad as that event back in 80 and it survived just fine back then.
3. Engineers will do some actual engineering and will come up with an answer based on a large degree of uncertainty due to the age and unknown extent of any damage.
4. Everyone will eventually decide to chill, put round the clock monitoring on the situation and re-assure everyone it's undercontrol.
5. OMG A FUCKING CRACK! IT'S GONNA BREAK. SHUT IT DOWN. SHUT IT DOWN.
6. And evacuation right after we decided everything is fine.
I have seen this in roadways, dams, buildings, oil refineries, chemical plants, the story is always the same. With uncertainty comes ... well ... uncertainty. With panic there is certainty about something so we don't really want to insight panic. In the end a judgement call was the wrong one and everyone gets to evacuate, and with any luck the judgement then holds up in court as the right one given the available information at the time.
That's not to say this announcement couldn't have been entirely politically motivated, just that not all are and we engineers don't always have the 100% correct and certain answer.
"I look out the window and I see the weather. I don't need some agency to tell me what the weather is. Sad!"
This just goes to show how easy it is to start up a conspiracy theory. You're right there's likely some incompetence, though by all accounts things were fine when they held the press conference Sunday. Later that day when they found the hole developing under the emergency spillway lip, they said oh shit and called the evacuation. You're wrong about the lake level though - the target is to lower it by 50 feet over two weeks, not before the next storm. They can lower it about 1 to 2 feet per hour with light inflow. During the next storm they'll basically shoot for parity.
It's "Dunning-Kruger", not "Dunning-Krugar". ;).
Thanks, it makes it easier to know which category you fall into
I apologize for implying that they're as dumb as they look.
Once I was flying to southern California. Before my plane could take off, it had to sit at the originating airport for about an hour. There was a power failure in southern California, and because of the power outage, the airports there couldn't accept incoming planes. I don't know the details, but apparently not only some primary power equipment failed, but also both backup systems failed.
Regarding the weather website:
Hickman said two core routers for transmitting information from the Weather Service offices out to satellites, which beam the information back to public service providers, had stopped working. "There is a primary and a backup and both have failed," Hickman said.
. . .
Hickman added that another backup system known as the Emergency Managers Weather Information Network (EMWIN) was also not operating.
The article also states that they were doing "dissemination upgrades", and that in about a year, the system would be reliable, with "full backup capacity".
I hope during and after the upgrade, their attitude is not, "if we check off some boxes of to-do lists, then we've done our job". I hope their attitude is, "My job is to keep the systems up. If the systems go down, then I have failed." People's lives can depend on weather forecasts.
Communists and subversives? You should update your paranoia. Mexican Jewish Muslim Hillary did it.
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