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Around 2.2 Million Deaths in a Year in India and China From Air Pollution (cnbc.com)

India is on the verge of overtaking China as the country with the most deaths caused by air pollution, the world's biggest environmental killer, according to research published on Tuesday. From a report: The State of Global Air 2017 report states that extensive, long-term exposure to fine particulate matter contributed to more than four million premature deaths in 2015. The report is a joint effort between the Health Effects Institute and the Institute for Health Metrics and Evalution's Global Burden of Disease Project. "We are seeing increasing air pollution problems worldwide," Dan Greenbaum, president of the Health Effects Institute, said in a statement. "The trends we report show that we have seen progress in some parts of the world -- but serious challenges remain," Greenbaum went on to add. The report's analysis showed that India -- with extra exposure and its aging population -- now competes with China in terms of air pollution health burdens. Both countries saw around 1.1 million early deaths due to air pollution in 2015.

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  1. An extraordinary figure... by bazmail · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... but what kind of doctor will attribute a particular death to air pollution? There is no question that air quality is very poor and heavy industry shits on people in certain areas but pulling a hard number like that out of it is odd.

  2. How many lives are saved by air pollution by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Presumably the air pollution is coming from some activities that raise living standards to afford clean water, public hospitals, health insurance, and reduced crime. Can we have a figure on how many lives are saved by air pollution as well?

    Yes in an ideal world we can have both so it's important to recognize air pollution is more than an eyesore.

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    1. Re:How many lives are saved by air pollution by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here's a hint: The pollution can be reduced, easily, simply, and yet too many industrial hacks will act as if that will be the DOOM of all mankind as it drags us back to the Neolithic.

      We are talking about India and China. Billions of people uplifted by coal.

      The bottleneck to first world living for the people in these countries right now is the rate at which they can expand their energy production. You are a spoiled 1st world dipshit that has no clue.

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  3. Here is the actual report by sethaw · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is the actual report: State of Global Air 2017

  4. Re:But let's dig more coal to burn, right? by Noishkel · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well just so you know the problem here isn't coal, it's the fact that neither China nor India use any air crubbing technology at all in their power plants. Unlike power plants in the US. Which is why even through most of US power is made by coal we don't have nation wide air quality issues.

    But hey, go right a head and whine about the environment instead of actually doing something. I'm sure that'll make it all better.

  5. Re:Blame the USA by Noishkel · · Score: 2

    I case you didn't pay ANY attention to the election that entire point was one of President Trump's talking points. The fact that we shifted almost all of modern industry to China and India.

  6. Re:So what by sdinfoserv · · Score: 2

    Hence the word "premature". Re-read the very first sentence.

  7. Re:Blame the USA by Solandri · · Score: 2

    The USA lobbied for the third world to be exempt from the Kyoto accords.

    WTH? The U.S. was adamant that China and India be included in the Kyoto protocol, and withdrew from it when they were not. The U.S. (and Bush) caught a lot of flak from environmental groups and "green" nations for this stance. You're now trying to blame the U.S. for the opposite?

  8. pollution is from burning fields by XXongo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Presumably the air pollution is coming from some activities that raise living standards to afford clean water, public hospitals, health insurance, and reduced crime.

    Nope.

    In India, the worst of the air pollution is generated from burning fields after harvest. There are other technologies to clear the fields, such as a tractor-mounted seeder, which is actually better for the fields, as well as for the air-- but they cost over a thousand dollars each, far too much for the small farmers.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/delhi/delhi-chokes-on-smoke-from-neighbouring-states/story-zAkXkflle5MoUXLNYfZa0H.html
    http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/delhi-air-poolution-in-haryana-farmers-say-burning-fields-their-only-option-3739415/
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/03/world/asia/farmers-unchecked-crop-burning-fuels-indias-air-pollution.html?_r=0

  9. Re:But let's dig more coal to burn, right? by XXongo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well just so you know the problem here isn't coal, ...

    Right. The problems in India are
    1. Construction dust
    2. Vehicular emissions,
    3. burning fields after harvest.

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/delhi/delhi-chokes-on-smoke-from-neighbouring-states/story-zAkXkflle5MoUXLNYfZa0H.html

  10. Re:So what by alvinrod · · Score: 2

    Not to go all Logan's Run on everyone, but say your goal for humanity was to get out into the rest of the galaxy as soon as possible in order to prevent the species from going extinct, it's going to mean not spending resources on people who detract from that goal more than they contribute to it. The world has finite resources and they're probably better spent on making the future generations better than keeping the previous generations alive a little longer. Perhaps its unpleasant to think about, but denying it doesn't change reality.

  11. Re:Not effective by Ferretman · · Score: 2
    Nice trolling, but the facts are a but more mixed.

    There are six major religions in India: Hindu, Islam, Christian, Jainism, Zoroastrianism, and Judaism. I didn't spend a lot of time and you could arguably cherry-pick your results, but what I found was as follows:

    Hindu - Abortion is disallowed per religious tenets.

    Islam - Abortion is allowed for approximately the first 40 days.

    Christians - Mixed; some do allow it, some don't.

    Jainism - Not allowed at all to mixed, depending on your source; probably church specific.

    Zoroastriansm - Not allowed at all to mixed, depending on your source; probably church specific.

    Judaism - Mixed.

    It would be unlikely that any American political party would in any way come to be represented in India.

    Ferret

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