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Scientists Use Stem Cells To Grow Animal-Free Pork In a Lab (digitaltrends.com)
A new study published in the journal Scientific Reports describes research "designed to generate muscle from a newly established pig stem-cell line, rather than from primary cells taken directly from a pig," says co-author Dr. Nicholas Genovese, a stem-cell biologist. "This entailed understanding the biology of relatively uncharacterized and recently-derived porcine induced pluripotent stem cell lines. What conditions support cell growth, survival and differentiation? These are all questions I had to figure out in the lab before the cells could be turned into muscle." Digital Trends reports: It may not sound like the most appetizing of foodstuffs, but pig skeletal muscle is in fact the main component of pork. The fact that it could be grown from a stem-cell line, rather than from a whole pig, is a major advance. This is also true of the paper's second big development: the fact that this cultivation of pig skeletal muscle didn't use animal serum, a component which has been used in other livestock muscle cultivation processes. [Genovese] acknowledges that there are other non-food-related possibilities the work hints at. "There is a contingent interest in using the pig as a model to study disease and test regenerative therapies for human conditions," he said.
Washington, D.C. has been growing animal-free pork for the last two centuries.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it dissolve.
Does it mean that the Pork can be declared Halaal now ?
I can go to a restaurant and order roast slig...
The trouble is meat is more than just cells, it's also non-cellular proteins. If all you can produce are lot's of animal cells then I think you've just invented meat pudding.
That was the turning point of my life--I went from negative zero to positive zero.
What produces these "non-cellular proteins" which wouldn't exist in a mass a muscle cells?
LOL that's so XXth century, I thought we're all about 3D printed meat these days?
How does it taste?
Only crack the nuts that crack. You don't put the ones that don't crack in the sack.
Vegans rejoice!
Captcha: Mistake.
It's always great to see progress towards even the wackiest of sci-fi predictions... http://dune.wikia.com/wiki/Sli...
Welcome him.
Science fiction before, say, William Gibson:
1. most science fiction writers or readers enjoyed crazy concepts as entertainment ("brain candy)
2. but didn't really believe most of it was feasible
3. and if it was feasible didn't really believe people were crazy enough to actually do it
They were wrong
Time to go back and watch some bad 1950's science fiction movies to prepare for the next thing that may destroy us all.
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By the way, the issue of pork grown in a vat was the basis of a recent episode of Elementary (US TV Show). Pretty good episode.
not unless those stem cells came from a plant.
Let me try being slightly less subtle. Let's fill in the missing letters:
Muscle collagen is produced by _uscl_ _ell_ .
So if you have muscle cells growing, they'll probably produce _olla_en.
How to get stem cell research funded ... promote it as a way to get more bacon.
... promote it as a way to get a new heart after all that bacon.
How to get human stem cell research funded
... they did this with a human cell stem line? Would those eating the end result be practicing cannibalism?
"Where's my BLT???"
"The average reporter we talk to is 27 years old......They literally know nothing." - Ben Rhodes
How is this "Animal-free" when they're still using animal cells?
Vegans rejoice!
I don't think so. My daughter is a vegan, and she says she wouldn't eat this, because the original stem cells still came from an animal. It may be grown in a vat, but it is still "meat".
Is there a Posek to decide the Halakha on whether this "meat" is Kosher? AFAIK, there exists no halakhic precedent. Please comment below if you know of any legal precedents...
Then your daughter needs to work out why she is a Vegan.
It obviously has nothing to do with animal cruelty or even animal death.
She is making it into another pointless religion and not a serious reason for sensible people to do good.
Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees!
If the aim of veganism is to protect the welfare of animals, and you can clone a cell line from an animal (possibly without even hurting it) then I don't see how this wouldn't ultimately benefit animal welfare.
A cell is a cell. Even the plant cells she's eating originated from a common ancestor with animals (plants and animals are all eukaryotes). So unless she's going out of her way to avoid consuming microorganisms as well, such a stance seems kind of silly to me.
1997 -- The Internet is for porn
2017 -- Genetics is for bacon
...pig skeletal muscle is in fact the main component of pork.
As anybody knows, who has eaten a pork sausage, the main components of pork are in fact soy bean, flour, sawdust etc.
By that logic she should probably also refuse to use products and services supplied by people who do eat meat.
I would like to see how that works out.
I like the vegan ideal because it creates less entropy.
You need to work out why you think everybody needs some scientific or moral reason to not eat meat. I don't eat mayonnaise. I don't eat it because it's fucking disgusting. What's it to you?
Food of the Gods. (Arthur c Clarke)
Itâ(TM)s only fair to warn you, Mr. Chairman, that much of my evidence will be highly nauseating; it involves aspects of human nature that are very seldom discussed in public, and certainly not before a congressional committee. But I am afraid that they have to be faced,; there are times when the veil of hypocrisy has to be ripped away, and this is one them.
You and I, gentlemen, have descended from a long line of carnivores. I see from you expressions that most of you donâ(TM)t recognize the term. Well, thatâ(TM)s not surprising-it comes from a language that has been obsolete for two thousand years. Perhaps I had better avoid euphemisms and be brutally frank, even if I have to use words that are never heard in polite society. I apologize in advance to anyone I may offend.
Until a few centuries ago, the favorite food of almost all men was meat-the flesh of once living animals. Iâ(TM)m not trying to turn your stomachs; this is a simple statement of fact, which you can check in any history bookâ¦
Why, certainly, Mr. Chairman, Iâ(TM)m quite prepared to wait until Senator Irving feels better. We professionals sometimes forget how laymen may react to statements like that. At the same time, I must warn the committee that there is very much worse to come. If any of you gentlemen are at all squeamish, I suggest you follow the senator before itâ(TM)s to lateâ¦
Well, if I may continue. Until modern times, all food fell into two categories. Most of it was produced from plants-cereals, fruits, plankton, algae and other forms of vegetation. Itâ(TM)s hard for us to realize that the vast majority of our ancestors were farmers, winning food from the land or sea by primitive and often back breaking techniques; but that is the truth.
The second type of food, if I may return to this unpleasant subject, was meat, produced from a relatively small number of animals. You may be familiar with some of them-cows, pigs, sheep, whales. Most people-I am sorry to stress this, but the fact is beyond dispute-preferred meat to any other food, though only the wealthiest were able to indulge this appetite. To most of mankind, meat was a rare and occasional delicacy in a diet that was more than ninety-percent vegetable.
If we look at the matter calmly and dispassionately-as I hope Senator Irving is now in a position to do-we can see that meat was bound to be rare and expensive, for its production is an extremely inefficient process. To make a kilo of meat, the animal concerned had to eat at least ten kiloâ(TM)s of vegetable food â"very often food that could have been consumed directly by human beings. Quite apart from any consideration of aesthetics, this state of affairs could not be tolerated after the population explosion of the twentieth century. Every man who ate meat was condemning ten or more of his fellow humans to starvationâ¦
Luckily for all of us, the biochemists solved the problem; as you may know, the answer was one of the countless byproducts of space research. All food-Animal or vegetable-is built up from a very few common elements. Carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, traces of sulphur and phosphorus-the half-dozen elements, and a few others, combine in an almost infinite variety of ways to make up every food that man has ever eaten or will ever eat. Faced with the problem of colonizing the moon and planets, the biochemists of the twenty-first century discovered how to synthesize and desired food from the basic raw materials of water, air and rock. It was the greatest, and perhaps the most important, achievement in the history of science. But we should not feel too proud of it. The vegetable kingdom had beaten us by a billion years.
The chemists could now synthesize and conceivable food, whether it had counterparts in nature or not. Needles to say, there were mistakes-even disasters. Industrial empires rose and crashed; the switch from agriculture and animal husbandry to the giant auto
Technically if everyone became vegan, we'd just ramp up plant production and farming, and still having the same amount of entropy.
Facon
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Veganism is indeed a religion. It posits that non-human animals have rights that humans don't have, to wit, the right to eat animals.
You need to grow around 40 times as much plant matter to feed a food animal and turn it into meat than you need to produce the equivalent amount of nutritional value directly from plants. That said, part of the reason that we eat ruminants is that they can digest a lot of plant matter that we can't. Some land is suitable for growing grasses but nothing that humans can eat. The most efficient use of this land for providing food is to use it for feed crops (though much of it could also be used for biofuel these days).
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Well ahead, eh?
Try reading "The Space Merchants", by Frederic Pohl, published in 1952.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
You also need to eat other things, because plants don't provide a complete spectrum of nutrients. Same applies to lab grown meat, by the way.
There are 3 main reasons for veganism:
* Animal welfare
* Personal health
* Environmental issues
So a vegan wouldn't necessarily be willing to eat lab-grown meat. I'm about 80% vegan, and I personally would consider it, but I highly doubt the technology will be perfected within my lifetime. I am, however, open-minded enough to recognize that "lab-grown" meat will eventually dominate in the future.
Why do people keep repeating this? People have been living on meat-free diets for centuries and even in the '60s it was shown that a sensible diet will provide the full range of nutrients that humans require.
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Where did you get that number from? At school we were taught the efficiency per step was about 10% as a rule of thumb.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
They keep repeating this, because it's true. There's no B12 in plants, for instance.
NOW I'd buy a 3D printer... Yum!
I'm about 80% vegan
So are most omnivores. But if it makes you feel better they you call yourself a 4/5th Vegan.
But B12 is something we can synthesize. It is the gut bacteria complex that generates B12. B12 created in colon gets excreted and does not get absorbed. But enough gets created in small intestine, it is enough. B12 is very efficiently recycled by the body.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
> they can digest a lot of plant matter that we can't.
Also a lot of the reason we eat meat is also that it winters well and stores well. Fresh fruit and vegetables in NY in February is being grown on mostly naturally arid land in Arizona and California watered from unsustainable water sources... and then shipped across the country using tons of fuel. Where as meat stores and ships per calorie, per nutrient much cheaper as it is more dense. Granted canning and freezing of some fruits and veges works well also. But it seams we need more GMO improvements and sustainable veggie growth for a vegan diet to be as sustainable as a sensible meat diet (preferably not beef in most areas though.)
If our gut bacteria can produce enough B12, please explain why deficiency is so common. http://www.bmj.com/content/349...
That's measuring by meal count, which I believe is most practical. For me, about 4 out of every 5 meals is 100% vegan. For the vast majority, 0 out of every 5 meals is 100% vegan. Most "omnivores" not only eat meat with every meal, they eat dairy with every meal. Sometimes they don't even realize it -- sneaky ingredients like whey are common in processed foods.
Regardless, I don't even think your're correct if measuring by weight. Meat accounts for most of the weight in any standard "omnivore" meal. If it makes you feel better, you may be correct if measuring by bite.
I don't think you know what "right" means. Or "religion" and obviously not "veganism". Veganism is a dietary restriction, that's all. The reason for observing it may or may not be religious or ethical in nature, perhaps relating to "rights" (like the right not to be tortured, is there a name for that?). But it is an important technical distinction I would hope was plainly recognized on a site for technical minded people. That said, I am not a vegan.
That's measuring by meal count, which I believe is most practical.
Well, maybe most practical in terms of supporting your idea that you are 80% vegan, but I think a more representative way would be to look at the food consumed over a larger time, say a month. I could just as easy argue that I am 95% vegan, as I spend less that 72 minutes a day eating, but when I eat my diet is 100% animal based. if you are vegan, you dont consume animal products, if you are not vegan the chances are you are a omnivore. Being 80% vegan is functionally equivalent to not being a vegan. Most folk would just say they don’t eat much meat, but I suspect you think "80% vegan" says something better about yourself.
And the voices are telling me that I need more B12 in my diet.
Have gnu, will travel.
But is it Kosher?
Where is the god or supernatural belief? Does that make other civil rights religions too? Believe black people deserve equal consideration, you're now part of a religion? Believe women deserve equal consideration, welcome to the cult! Believe other animals deserve consideration, and now you're part of a religion?? Where are the tax-deductible churches???
And to be more accurate, veganism posits that animals aren't ours to exploit; veganism doesn't talk about 'rights', nor is it that specific. Please check definitions before you go spouting about that which you don't know:
"Veganism denotes a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude – as far as is possible and practical – all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing, or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals, and the environment." - as defined by The Vegan Society, which began in 1944 because vegetarians had no clear focus.
Can children of Abraham eat this stuff? Also what if they synthesize long pork. Will that mean I can finally eat human flesh w/o those muckidy mucks looking down upon me?
why are the answers to these questions not more freely available.
Are you only 80% self righteous asshole as well?
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
It's not even bacon and will cost us billions in subsidies. If it were bacon and affordable, great. It's not and you would choose bacon of this crap. Even if it were cheaper. The point of veganism, is to reduce animal suffering and also make humanity sustainable. Currently near term human extinction, is much closer than we are told. Were this tech be mature, and freely available, at a price that, say a grow kit made sense to a single mother. I'd support it. In it's current state, it's an experiment that could help. It's still much more complicated than that.
People have been living on meat-free diets for centuries
Vegan != "meat-free"
Vegan == "meat+dairy+egg+honey-free"
Vegetarian diets that include milk and/or eggs have all needed nutrients. Vegan diets do not, and need supplements. The supplements are easy to get, but they are not "natural" and neither is veganism.
Are you trying to imply that eating vegan 4 out of 5 meals doesn't make a difference in each of the 3 points I listed? If so, just come out and say it. Otherwise, why are you so focused on this? It wasn't even the point of my original comment. Is it really that critical to earn points with the slashdot anti-vegan crowd?
grown on mostly naturally arid land in Arizona and California watered from unsustainable water sources
The biggest use of water in California is irrigation of pasture for beef and dairy. If you think meat uses less resources than soybeans, you are delusional.
> Where is the god
Animals.
> or supernatural belief?
Unnecessary. But feel free to call it a 'faith' rather than a 'religion' if you like.
People don't take care of their gut flora. Why is iron deficiency (anemia) the most common nutritional deficiency in a meat-eating population?
Jules: "I just don't dig on swine, that's all. Pigs are filthy animals"
Vincent: "Ah, but if the pork was grown from stem cells in a petri dish, it would cease to be a filthy animal, is that true?"
Now I can find out if cloned sewer rat tastes like pumpkin pie!
The fact that I can't assert my dominance and tear your throat out for entering my territory is also not natural. Or that I can't take a shit wherever I want to. Or rape a female. As intelligent beings we have deduced that certain things are "bad" so we don't do those things anymore. Exploiting and murdering animals is one of those things. It has nothing to do with being "natural".
Canned fruits and vegetables keep for years. People eat meat because it tastes good, period. As a whole, we are addicted to the pleasure of eating. That's why people get so angry, literally ANGRY, when you try to take away their meat. That is an incredibly irrational response, except in the context of addiction. Even if you offered to trade people free veggies for life in exchange for not eating meat they would turn you down. That is an illness.
We can finally eat the nectar of the gods and not feel guilty!
reminiscent of the Nutripon food taken from a vat grown piece of chicken meat substance called 'Chicken Little' in John Brunner's most excellent (and somewhat visionary) novel called 'The Sheep Look Up':
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sheep_Look_Up
https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/the-sheep-look-up-2
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/41074.The_Sheep_Look_Up
The Nutripon is meant to be a cheap protein substitute and the bad things that happen in the book are not specifically due to the Nutripon itself although it does become a plot element,
-and as a bonus, for those who thought 10-20 years ago that Reagan or Bush 2 filled the bill for the cavalier Prexy character, Trump brings an evil clown vibe to it that makes it even scarier....
-I'm just sayin'
> Veganism is a dietary restriction, that's all.
Disagree. Veganism is a political movement centered on a dietary restriction.
The name was coined by the Vegan Society ffs.
You tipped your ideological hand when you used the word 'murder.' Are sharks, lions, and bears 'murderers' too?
The whole premise of animal rights is self-contradictory. If animals are people and people are animals and animals eat animals and animals eat people, why shouldn't people eat animals?
Your right, the worst of the meat is likely worse than the worst of the vegetables for impact. But, trying to say their should be no chicken, fish, or pork just because a very small portion of the beef is grown in CA and it shouldn't be grown in that one place, just is not a good argument. The majority of winter vegetables are grown in these places that are not sustainable, that should be minimized. The worst of the meat should be minimized as well. But Bison has grazed the plains of Wyoming long before people farmed. To say we cannot sustain-ably make that part of the national diet would be folly IMHO.
The cells came from a living animal, not kosher.
The origin of those cells are from an animal that is not kosher, MUST have split hooves and chew its cud.
Religious persecution finally achieved critical mass to achieve Pork extinction that we can to cultivate it from stem cells? And only one stem cell line at that, skeletal muscle! Not even the fatty tissue? We ll have to hope for Mammoth revival to provide enough hamburguers for the bleak dystopian future. RIP, Pork.