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LG's Latest Battery Is Also a Phone (engadget.com)

An anonymous reader shares an Engadget report: The problem with having a smartphone that you want to use all the damn time is that you'll spend a big chunk of your day wedded to an outlet. LG believes that nobody should have to suffer such an indignity, and has launched the X power2 as a remedy. The smartphone is designed to operate for an entire weekend on a single charge thanks to the 4,500mAh battery tucked inside. It'll also recharge nice and quick, too, taking just two hours to go from flat all the way back up to 100 percent. Unfortunately, like the first-generation LG X power phone, the capacious battery is the only noteworthy thing about it. The 5.5-inch display has a HD resolution, and is using an off-brand 1.5Ghz octa-core chip that we're guessing is made by MediaTek. In addition, there's either 1.5GB or 2GB RAM paired with 16GB storage, which will hardly pull up any trees when most flagships are packing twice that amount.

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  1. Call me crazy... by thegreatbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Call me crazy, but isn't the more logical solution to the issue of battery life to make the phone consume less power? I know people want their apps, but I'm not convinced that people want to carry around a laptop battery in their pocket. Also, my smartphone usually lasts about 6-7 days on a charge as-is, primarily because it does very little aside from phone stuff. Turn on the WiFi and that drops to around 3 days in normal use (simply being connected, without actually using the internet).

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    1. Re:Call me crazy... by EndlessNameless · · Score: 2

      Call me crazy, but isn't the more logical solution to the issue of battery life to make the phone consume less power?

      Google did quite a bit of tweaking to make Android more efficient, between 4.0-6.0 things got a lot better. But then they hit the wall---there is only so much the OS alone can offer.

      I know people want their apps, but I'm not convinced that people want to carry around a laptop battery in their pocket.

      Well, they have to make hard choices. Running apps takes power.

      This is especially true for interactive apps, as the largest power draw on modern phones is the screen. About 2/3 of my power goes to the screen on a Nexus 6P, which is typical for 6-inch devices. This drops to maybe 50% for 5-inch devices. There is only so much the phone manufacturers and app developers can do when that much power is drawn by something they didn't create themselves.

      Advances in battery and display technologies are the only places we can reasonably tap for better battery life at this point. Or else we just have to throw larger batteries at the problem.

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    2. Re:Call me crazy... by EndlessNameless · · Score: 2

      A lot of consumers' preferences for more whiz-bang first, and then more battery life would seem to indicate otherwise.

      Not quite.

      Most whiz-bang draws very little power. A good camera vs a cheap camera is scarcely noticeable. Fingerprint sensors, etc are in the same boat.

      The primary consumer of power is the screen on most smartphones, and the only way to run longer is to include larger batteries.

      New features and more powerful CPUs are not killing battery life---it's the combination of large screens and thin-and-light form factors.

      I would gladly accept a slightly bulky device for double the battery life, but that was not an option. Now LG is finally doing it, but it's a mediocre device.

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    3. Re:Call me crazy... by thsths · · Score: 2

      Actually, the main consumer of power on Android is background applications. Sony has a nice switch to turn those off, and battery lifetime can be quite amazing.

    4. Re:Call me crazy... by edtice1559 · · Score: 2

      I can't speak for Android but I can say that for iPhone the biggest power draws seem to be the GPS receiver and the cellular radio!

  2. Re:Prior Art by jenningsthecat · · Score: 4, Informative

    Samsung Note 7 was a battery which was sold, through clever merchandising, as a phone.

    Samsung Note 7 was an incendiary device which was sold, through clever merchandising, as a phone. FTFY

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  3. Makes sense, if the price is right by jenningsthecat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think there's probably quite a decent niche market for this product. Some people like to use a phone primarily as, you know, a phone. They'll be attracted to the extended battery life, and won't be bothered by a bit less processing power and slightly lower resolution. Some people use smartphones as fairly basic tools, not as gaming platforms / computer substitutes / fashion accessories.

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  4. Wow I've just had a crazy Idea!! by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...they could just make the battery _removeable_ so you could have several, and you also wouldn't have to buy a new phone every 2 years just because the battery's worn out! Wow what a crazy idea!

    1. Re:Wow I've just had a crazy Idea!! by Spy+Handler · · Score: 2

      There have been numerous phones in the past with this feature. I've owned several. It is not a panacea; carrying around a charged spare battery and swapping it is not convenient to many people (including me). Studies have shown that only a tiny percentage of swappable-battery phone owners actually carried around a spare.

    2. Re:Wow I've just had a crazy Idea!! by doconnor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Carrying a external battery connected via USB is vastly superior to swapping batteries.

      - Don't have to reboot to swap.
      - Cheaper and easier to find
      - Same battery can change any device
      - Much larger sizes available.

      The main advantage of a removable battery is that it is easier to replace when it is worn out.

    3. Re:Wow I've just had a crazy Idea!! by JustNiz · · Score: 2

      Now factor in the massive inconvenience and extra cost you face when your phone's built-in battery inevitably wears out so needs replacing.

    4. Re:Wow I've just had a crazy Idea!! by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      so you could have several

      Shit no. Why would I want to carry around batteries? Give me a larger charge and a faster recharge time. USB ports are everywhere. The ability to charge a battery is everywhere. And if you really get stuck just plug a charging device into the USB port since you're clearly not against carrying something around. They have higher capacities than phone batteries anyway.

    5. Re:Wow I've just had a crazy Idea!! by nightfire-unique · · Score: 2

      The main advantage of a removable battery is that it is easier to replace when it is worn out.

      A critical advantage, for sure.

      But don't overlook being able to easily swap the battery for a much larger one with a TPU (or better) case. I will never own a phone with a battery under 10,000mAh again, because I quite prefer having a big, heavy phone. I know it's on my person. To me, that's important.

      I'm a tiny market, but that's the point of user-replaceable shit.

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  5. Mental health by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem with having a smartphone that you want to use all the damn time is that you'll spend a big chunk of your day wedded to an outlet.

    If this is true, the problem isn't with the device.

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  6. Re:Wedded to an outlet? by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

    Similar story with my OP3.

    At first it was a power hog, but then I battery optimized all of the apps. Now the battery indicator barely budges. I can easily go for 3 days on a single charge. (I might be able to go longer, but I have never tried). It's as good as the iPad now where if it is off (sleeping), the battery level doesn't go down at all.

    Of course... I am not your typical phone user. I just use it to listen to podcasts on the way to/from work and while I walk. I occasionally get or make a phone call. I don't have FB or any other social apps on it and I rarely play games or use GPS on it.

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  7. Re:So it has... by TWX · · Score: 2

    If the glass was simply right to the edge that'd be one thing, but now that they're trying to get us to buy phones where the glass wraps around the edge, and this just boggles the mind.

    I have a pretty good job, I'm in and out of telecom closets and datacenters on a frequent basis, and even with this reasonably clean work environment I still felt it was a good idea to have a durable phone, as phones can fall off of shelves or ledges, phones can get bumped or have something sat upon them that could crack them or smash them. I expect that most people have jobs that are at least as physical as mine, and many of those are even more so, or else they have their own perils like people whose work has a lot of aircraft travel. If the phone is a work tool in addition to a personal accessory then it would follow that durability and battery longevity should be pretty important characteristics, especially when one thinks about all of the various things that people regularly use their phones for. Task lists. Calendars. Full contacts lists. E-mail. Document reference and light-duty editing. Map route. And that's before we start looking at all of the other things that people have integrated their phone into their lives to help with.

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  8. I'm not sure battery size is really the problem by Solandri · · Score: 2

    I called Google support when my Nexus 5's battery (2300 mAh) began failing (it would discharge normally for about 12 hours to 40%-50% charge, then would die in the next 20 minutes). As part of the diagnostic process, they asked me to put it into safe mode and do a battery run-down test. I didn't even know such a thing existed in Android. It disables all added-on apps. Only the phone functions and apps which shipped with the phone (mostly Google apps) will work - a nifty way for them to determine that a rogue app is not the culprit.

    The damn thing lasted nearly 60 hours on a charge in safe mode, despite the defective battery. So it would appear modern smartphones (well, modern as of 3 years ago) are more than capable of lasting a weekend on a single charge. They die early because of all those damn apps which insist on waking up every 5 minutes so they can report your position, calls, texts, sites visited, photos taken, etc. back to their mother ship. Makes me wish there was a feature where you could "jail" certain apps to prevent them from running entirely, unless you specifically launch it.

  9. Release the charging tether by myootnt · · Score: 2

    I got an Nexus 5 years ago with Qi wireless charging and strategically placed charging pucks on my desks at home and work, nightstand and car console, later replaced the 5 with a Nexus 6 and added in a Nexus 7. Never worried about battery, just put the phone down whenever I was in those places. Why this hasn't caught on is beyond me. I'm sure it will become the Next Big Thing as soon as the fruit company releases it, but I am also sure that they will make their own proprietary system.

  10. Re:So it has... by ezdiy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Kyocera (I assume duraforce pro) is 3200mAh battery. Top of the line, CAT S60, is 3800mAh. These phones are *expensive* given their relatively shitty specs in other areas ($400 and $800 respectively). Many people don't care about phone durability, they just want their phone to last charged for more than a day on stand-by. If LG prices this phone in line with its other specs (~200$), it will blow duraphones out of the water on price alone.

  11. Lenovo Vibe P1 has a 4900mAh Battery by nastyphil · · Score: 2

    up to 3Gigs ram, octacore and two sims +micro SD

    http://shopap.lenovo.com/in/en...

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