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Uber Says Thousands of London Drivers Threatened By English Language Test (reuters.com)

Costas Pitas, writing for Reuters: Tens of thousands of London private hire drivers could lose their licenses due to new English reading and writing requirements, taxi app Uber said on Tuesday at the start of a court battle to halt the plans. San Francisco-based Uber, which allows users to book journeys at the touch of a button on their smartphone, has grown rapidly in recent years but faced bans and protests around the world as regulators play catch-up with technology disrupting traditional operators. Uber launched legal action in August after public body Transport for London (TfL) said that drivers should have to prove their ability to communicate in English, including to a standard of reading and writing which Uber says is too high. "It produces the profoundest of human effects. At one extreme it will lead to the loss of livelihood," Uber's lawyer Thomas de la Mare told the High Court in London. There are over 110,000 private hire drivers in the British capital, according to TfL but around 33,000 would fail to pass their renewal test due to the new language hurdle, de la Mare told the court, citing a calculation of data provided by TfL.

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  1. Uber need to get a clue. by JustNiz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems just basic common sense to require people that need to deal with the public, including in a safety context, to actually be able to converse in the national language.

    1. Re:Uber need to get a clue. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is that racist? IATA requires all air traffic controllers around the world to be able to respond to aircraft that request service in English.

      Pursuant to requirements of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO), ATC operations are conducted either in the English language or the language used by the station on the ground.[2] In practice, the native language for a region is normally used; however, the English language must be used upon request.[

      Language != race, you moron. Same as religion != race, despite what Trump wants to believe.

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    2. Re:Uber need to get a clue. by LQ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nothing to do with Brexit. The London mayor, Sadiq Khan (a Muslim and son of a Pakistani bus driver) backs the language test. It is part of a campaign to improve quality and reduce the number of rogue mini-cabs on the road.

    3. Re:Uber need to get a clue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Seeing as the UK is a democracy, it already is.

      Nazi Germany was also a democracy, since Hitler was elected. So by your logic, the inmates at Auschwitz chose to be there.

    4. Re:Uber need to get a clue. by nukenerd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ShanghaiBill wrote

      Shouldn't the level of quality be up to the customer?

      You don't know the quality of the driver's English until he turns up or even until after the ride starts.

      Sounds like you follow the Thatcher theory that the market decides best because people are "all-knowing" - so it assumes. But people are not all-knowing.

    5. Re:Uber need to get a clue. by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Islam is a religion/political ideology based on tyrannical rule over people's lives, and as such is not compatible with Western values.
      That is wrong. Just like Capitalizm does not imply Democracy, Islam does not imply Sharia, hence it is just a religion and not a political ideology. And like Christianity e.g. there are plenty of flavours of Islam.
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    6. Re:Uber need to get a clue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The Nazi Party won a plurality of the vote. They did not win an outright majority, but neither did Sadiq Khan. He became mayor of London with 44.2% of the vote. So he has no more democratic legitimacy than Adolf Hitler had.

       

  2. There's Only One Thing They Care About.... by segedunum · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ......and that's Uber. They don't give a flying fuck about drivers.

  3. Maybe I'm missing something. . . by Salgak1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    . . . but as an initial point, what's wrong with requiring drivers in ENGLAND to show mastery of ENGLISH ??

    But secondly, that's actually a minor hurdle, compared to the "knowledge" required to pass the legendarily hard London Cab Drive License Test.

    Specifically:

    To achieve the required standard to be licensed as an “All London” taxi driver you will need a thorough knowledge, primarily, of the area within a six-mile radius of Charing Cross. You will need to know: all the streets; housing estates; parks and open spaces; government offices and departments; financial and commercial centres; diplomatic premises; town halls; registry offices; hospitals; places of worship; sports stadiums and leisure centres; airline offices; stations; hotels; clubs; theatres; cinemas; museums; art galleries; schools; colleges and universities; police stations and headquarters buildings; civil, criminal and coroner’s courts; prisons; and places of interest to tourists. In fact, anywhere a taxi passenger might ask to be taken.

  4. They could lose their jobs? GOOD. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Its a matter of public safety that I can clearly communicate with the driver. If I speak English I need to have the driver speak English, and if I am in an English speaking country I am going to statistically speak English. If the driver does not have the basic skills for the country they are working in the should be forced to get these very basic skills and if they lose the job they have for not having them then that is simply the free market at work!

  5. Re:more for taxi drivers by Aaden42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'd say there are at least some times when a certain amount of human "knowledge" beats the magic app box.

    > No Service

    I agree that drivers who use real time traffic data are likely to do a better job, but having a basic understanding of the entire city's street layout without being beholden to a GPS device is a really valuable skill for a driver. The tech can certainly augment human knowledge by providing dynamically changing information they couldn't otherwise know, but it's an inferior substitute for a driver who instantly knows several viable routes to get where they're going.