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Mike Pence Used His AOL Email For Indiana State Business -- and It Got Hacked (theverge.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Vice President Mike Pence used a personal AOL email account to conduct sensitive state business -- including issues related to homeland security -- as the governor of Indiana, according to a report from The Indianapolis Star. Not only that, but Pence's email account was also compromised last year, the report reveals. Because personal email accounts are not subject to same types of public transparency laws, it's up to the official and his or her transition staff to hand over any sensitive state-related messages for archiving. Emails from a state account are automatically stored on state servers and subject to public records requests. Pence's office claims the contents of his personal AOL account used for state business are in fact in the process of being archived. A larger concern, however, is security. By using a private AOL account to conduct sensitive state matters, Pence could have exposed sensitive state business. In the hacking incident last year, Pence's email account was compromised by a scammer who used it to try and extort money from members of his contact list by claiming Pence and his wife were stranded in the Philippines, The Indianapolis Star reports. This hack didn't appear to have had been designed specifically to breach Pence's office, which made clear that his AOL account could be compromised by relatively benign breaching techniques designed by spammers and low-level hackers. It is not illegal in Indiana to own and use a personal account while in office, nor is it against the law to handle work-related matters from a personal account -- so long as those emails are in some way archived. However, the Star reports that Pence made no efforts to preserve his AOL emails under after he left office and is only just now doing months after public records requests were first made. "Similar to previous governors, during his time as governor of Indiana, Mike Pence maintained a state email account and a personal email account," reads a statement given to the The Indianapolis Star. "As governor, Mr. Pence fully complied with Indiana law regarding email use and retention. Government emails involving his state and personal accounts are being archived by the state consistent with Indiana law, and are being managed according to Indiana's Access to Public Records Act."
Pence has the correct consonant after his name, so we don't need to investigate this any further. Only people with that cursed mark of the Devil need to be investigated (repeatedly) for offenses relating to email. We all know that Mr. Pence is the very model of morality and will be completely transparent and forthcoming on this innocent mistake.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Turn on a news channel (or Twitter) to hear Trump rant about how evil and unacceptable email hacks are any second now.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Will these morons never learn?
Time for bed, said Zebedee - boing
LOCK HIM UP!
In fact, this whole farce is pretty unreal.
Shameless doesn't even begin to cover these freaks.
It is more disturbing if he was still using AOL last year.
Or is this an old abandoned account that someone dug up?
Back when AOL was new, it was the thing to use. Sadly, when you stop using an account, it can be a pain to get it erased.
1) How long ago was the last time he used this account.
2) How long ago did he use it for official business?
BeauHD@CNN
For a moment I thought there's really one area where the Dems are even stupider than the GOP.
The world is in balance again.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
will the Republicans impeach him now?
I logged in to say something related to the irony of it all. From the six posts already up, it seems the irony is pretty obvious. So, never mind.
Thanks.
Because personal email accounts are not subject to same types of public transparency laws,
Shouldn't transparency relate to the subject of communication, not the method? Soon, the best way of keeping the public in the dark: use your private AOL or Yahoo account! Because the lawyers said so.
The mere act of using a private email for government business is wrong and should be punished. However, let us not forget that the point of all of this anger isn't the fact that a personal email was used. The anger came about because of what was found on said personal email server. Let us compare between the two politicians:
Did Mike share top secret information over his personal email? No.
Did Mike use his personal email to share deleterious information about any of his campaigns? No.
Did Mike say or do anything particularly damning in his emails (pizza anyone)? No.
Did Mike scrub his email server hardware after the fact during an investigation? No.
Did Mike use his personal email to discuss P4P "donations" to a personal charity? No.
All of this talk about "Muh Russians" and "Muh Russian election hijacking" is pointless when the email leaks clearly exposed a wholly corrupt candidate who had no issues about selling out America to whoever was the highest bidder. This is why people are angry. Using an personal email, while very wrong, pales in comparison to what was actually found on said server.
If you're a registered democrat, do yourself a favor and join the green party. It's the only way to punish those inept and greedy SOBs that have destroyed the Democratic party with identity politics and the mentally ill.
Hillary on the other hand broke federal law 1000s of times. Lock her up!
The use of a private email account is not prohibited by law in Indiana.
JESUS H. FUCKING CHRIST AND YOU WONDER WHY TRUMP WON
Queue the reasonable arguments regarding unsecure email habits by powerful politicians that avoid partisan bickering.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
Because it was just what he knew how to to, or because he wanted control of his record, or something else?
I don't see a Hillary II here yet.
The use of a private email account is not prohibited by law in Indiana.
Is that still a thing? I mean that's loyalty if you're still rocking the AOL account. No wonder Pence can stand to be around Trump if he can stand using AOL too.
If you are a government employee... use government email for government business.... pretty fucking simple
. . . if they figure out where it is.
Somewhere near Chih-cah-go?
I'm sure the same logic that applied to Hillary will apply here. He didn't intend to get hacked so he didn't intend to cause harm by going against the rules so he's fine in the eyes of the FBI.
Right?
i bet he got started using AOL back in the late 1990's when AOL was giving away those CD roms like spam and his idea of the internet is AOL is the internet and that says a lot of what an inept character Pence is when it comes to both politics and technology, he was probably grandfathered in to every position his whole life as long as he plays ball with good ol grampa and does everything grampa tells him to do
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
In the U.S. we have Constitutional protections against this garbage!
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
Amateur Dilettantes in the White House, what did you expect?
It will get much worse, mark my words.
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If You or your media outlet was one of the ones that defended or didn't criticize as a fatal flaw: Hillary Clinton and her most glaring case of using personal E-mail server to cause security exposures and Fail to deliver items ordered by the court,
Then you already lost any right to criticize Pence, Etc, for lesser cases Of use of a personal e-mail account.
That seems to be pretty much All people and All the media outlets, by the way.
I don't agree, but For some reason we as a society decided it was all OK, At least for anything that was going on before 2016.
Can an investigating body subpoena AOL for backups?
Hillary ran her own server in her basement and had her three stooges delete 30,000 wedding and yoga emails. Pence used an AOL account - the contents of which could have been obtained via subpoena at any time.
The former stinks of coverup - the latter just looks like an old guy using AOL because he didn't know any better.
There is a difference between using a commercial email service like Yahoo or Gmail and using your own email server. Hillary used her own private server so she could truly delete email she didn't want being made public. This issue doesn't exist if one uses Yahoo or Gmail.
> claiming she "never sent or received classified material" (later amended to say "never sent classified material",
With Hillary you have to pay attention to her exact words. She said "material *marked* classified". Later we found out that's because she ordered her people to (unlawfully) remove the markings. Of course in some cases they didn't remove the markings, so she did have stuff marked classified too.
are allowed to p7ay morning. Now I have conversations where continues in a
You shouldn't be allowed to hold an office position if you have an active AOL or Yahoo account, aka LOL and UhOh.
We liberals need to unify and defeat them in the polls. There is no other way. There is absolutely no point in trying to reason with them or find middle ground with them. Their game plan is to make the middle ground far into the right of center. We have taken our civil rights for granted. We have taken the hard won victories for granted. The confederates never stopped fighting. The confederates have defeated the Union 150 years later. It is time to take our Union back. We will. Or my children will.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
If he was using an AOL/Yahoo! account it is all backed up at the NSA, so there should be no problem making any of it public for review.
Mike (Race Bannon in a $5000 suit) Pence is a Christian Dominionist autocrat who was a complete failure as Governor of Indiana and never would have been re-elected if he ran again.
He is also willing to set aside each and every one of his false "moral values" if he can profit from it personally.
Perfect VP material for President Shit-for-Brains.
Not true in the slightest, just Fox New lying:
http://www.mediamatters.org/re...
There's one popularized case where she was having an issue sending an e-mail and authorized staff to send THAT ONE e-mail insecurely if necessary. But A) It was actually securely faxed, and B) there's no evidence whether that one e-mail had any classified content at all.
Oh please...
Someone running the state of Indiana using an AOL account with a weak password for official business. Would you expect anything less of Indiana? Get your alternative facts straight!
"Mike Pence Used His AOL Email..."
He uses AOL....I think we've heard all we need to hear. The man is clearly unfit for office.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
With Hillary you have to pay attention to her exact words.
Ok, lets look at what she actually said:
“This is another instance where what is common practice — I need information, I had some points I had to make and I was waiting for a secure fax that could give me the whole picture, but oftentimes there is a lot of information that isn’t at all classified,” Clinton said Sunday on "Face the Nation." “So whatever information can be appropriately transmitted unclassified often was. That’s true for every agency in the government and everybody that does business with the government.”
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/265367-clinton-defends-telling-aid-to-send-data-through-nonsecure-channel
Later we found out that's because she ordered her people to (unlawfully) remove the markings.
As you can see, that's false. Furthermore, you've been corrected many times and continue to repeat that lie. You don't have any interest in the truth, only scoring points for your "team."
Of course in some cases they didn't remove the markings, so she did have stuff marked classified too.
There were only two emails that contained any markings.* They were her phone call schedules for the day that had been declassified and partial markings were incorrectly left in the middle of the documents. Her call sheets are only classified to begin with in case the calls aren't made so as to avoid embarrassing the other party that they were blown off by the secretary of state. You can see the two documents yourself in the emails released by the state department. Which is all the proof you need that they were indeed unclassified because "leaking" does not declassify a document, so the fact that they were published by the state department proves they were unclassified.
Here are the two emails, you can see the errnoneous "(C)" (for confidential, the lowest level of classification) on the individual line-items:
CALL TO PRESIDENT BANDA
KOFI ANNAN CALL SHEET
* state department press statement that there were only two such cases search for "aware of two" to find the part of the press conference where that is confirmed.
Who had Pence going to jail before Trump?
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Then both will get their comeuppance
He must have heard it was OK from Hillary.
This doesn't bother me at all. Here in Florida, we have "government in the sunshine" laws. We don't have to hack politicians email accounts to see what is going on. The rest of the country ought to adopt the same way of governing. Then you could just have blank passwords.
It is not illegal in Indiana to own and use a personal account while in office, nor is it against the law to handle work-related matters from a personal account -- so long as those emails are in some way archived.
...there's nothing to see here.
Mike Pence doesnt have a vagina.
But using an AOL email account in 2016 should be a crime.
So let me see if I'm clear on your two points:
A) According to some people the Obama State Department, as far as they know, only twice did they forget to remove the "classified" markings as requested.
That's an excellent point! Hillary's great if her staff only occasionally fails to correctly follow her illegal instructions.
B) According to Hillary, when she told someone to remove the markings and send nonsecure, she didn't think he'd actually do it - he knew better than to send classified material nonsecure.
So Hillary says she's okay, and her former staff say they normally managed to follow her unlawful orders without screwing up. Only a couple times did they leave the markings in place. That makes everything okay then!
*coughs* Lock Him Up! Lock Him Up!
Hey, thanks for backing up my charge that you don't care about truth, only scoring points.
Its nice when the other guy cooperates by indicting himself.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander....
Prove it or get modded to Hell and back. The State Dept. policy manual is not law.
Table-ized A.I.
This the GOP's SOP - do as we tell you to do, not as we do.
And the same for the other (republican) sec of states who used private email servers, and less restrictive than the one shrub disobeyed when he shredded emails because that was emails that were currently being asked for under subpoena.
ALL of which were ignored by the republicans.
Because it was them doing it.
Since there was nothing stored on there that was classified at the time it was stored there and every other secretary had done the same thing and had no problems from your outrage.
You should be asking that Shrub get banged up next door because he deleted emails when they were under a request for retrieval.
Lastly, your dishonesty is abhorrent here. Why should it matter if Hilary "gets away with it" when it comes to whether what Trump is doing should leave him in prison? Just because there's rapists doesn't mean I can justify robbing your home.
So you'll be fine with an investigation into this against Pence, right?
Millions of people have personal and work e-mails. That's perfectly normal. We can even use the personal ones for work-related issues, as our work and personal lives are often intertwined.
Hillary Clinton's crime was in using her unsecured server for classified information — in willful and reckless disregard of the law and the security requirements.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Exactly Hillary at least demonstrated a tiny amount of competence.
We really need to stop accepting "oh he's juts a doofus" as something that isn't a fatal flaw in a govenment official. What the government does is important and dangerous we can't let bozo's control it.
The "three stooges" were lawyers, and they were responding to not a subpoena, but a Freedom of Information Act request (so a much lower bar). That does not stink of coverup, especially since there was apparently plenty of
If you want better examples of coverup, look up the Bush email scandal, or the current Trump administration's (meaning the White House) use of "secure messaging" apps. Or the fact that many of them have gone back to using RNC email servers the the majority of their communications. Any bet we see another failure to backup of those emails when they get subpoenaed?
But more importantly: while then-Goveneor Pence was on the campaign trail criticizing Hilary Clinton about her use of a private email address, he was actively using his own for government business. The hypocrisy runs think there.
I say if true, convict.
I said the same thing of Hillary.
There, now everyone reading this can't say "Where are those people who said to investigate Hillary now that a Republican is in trouble?" Right here. Now shut up and stop playing sides.
He believes the earth is less than 10,000 years old. I'm surprised he can tie his shoe laces in the morning.
The FBI and numerous sources state that it's probable it was hacked. Left wing source and Right wing source just in case you are biased in one direction or the other. Why can be found here, or talk to a security expert who has dealt with forensics if you want the technical details.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Directory Comey stated in testimony that the action was illegal. He stated that he did not recommend pressing charges since intent could be proven. You can find the testimony in front of Congress during questioning by Representative Trey Gowdy.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Source.
March 4, 2015 Congress issues subpoena to Clinton. 33,000 emails were deleted a week later.
You lied.
I wonder if anyone thinks at all, about the difference in security between a federal account heading the secretary of state, and an account for anyone working at a state level...
I don't think ANY state communication would be classified secret, much less top secret.
Also did anyone ASK Pence if he used public email account? Because a big part of Hilary's issue (beyond just the federal crime of using an unsecured server for Top Secret documents) was that SHE LIED ABOUT DOING SO (Hello, Nixon!!) - and DELETED THOUSANDS OF EMAILS. Pence didn't delete anything, it's being archived as it should.
Both the Democrats and the press have gone mental trying to equate a number of email uses to the vastly different degree of security required between accounts... it's mind-boggling they keep trying to run up these different uses of email as equivalent.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Searching the Web is not that hard. CSPAN video here.
Let us see if you are mature enough to stop lying, or if you close your eyes and years yelling "nuh uh"
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Shouldn't he be arrested for believing AOL still exists?
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on his job as Governor and now VP, is mainly that he still uses AOL
*"Cogito Ergo Liberalis"*
The former stinks of coverup (because I'm obviously a Republican and...and... GOD DAMN HILARY!) - the latter just looks like an old guy using AOL because he didn't know any better (because, again, I'm a republican and Pence is a republican and everybody just stop picking on us. JUST STOP IT, OKAY?).
There. Fixed that for you.
With respect to the thousands of e-mails we found that were not among those produced to State, agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received, one at the Secret level and two at the Confidential level.
https://www.fbi.gov/news/press...
Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information.
She (and her stooges) broke the law - but did so "without intent". So the next time you are arrested - just tell the cops you didn't "intend" to break the law.
I suspect that if your last name is not Clinton - it will not go well for you.
Can't you fucking liberals grow the hell up? If it's no big deal for Hillary, it's no big deal here either.
Oh wait, you're liberals, the textbook definition of HYPOCRITE. You know, if you whiny ass children grow the fuck up and be consistent instead of the bullshit you've been doing the last 8 years, people might actually pay attention to you. Instead, you continue to be the PoS hypocrites you've been for a decade. You don't learn, do you?
Let me spell it out for you. Democrats have lose more than ONE THOUSAND state and federal elected seats since 2008. You have 4 states with a Dem governor and Dem controlled state legislature. In 2008 you had all but 12 states. You continue to label and try to shutdown everyone that doesn't agree with you. Conservatives are racists, homophobes, anti-Islamists and whatever other bullshit label you think you scream loud enough will stick to us. You riot and vandalize when you lose elections, when someone comes to speak at your university, and you threaten everyone else who looks at you sideways.
In short, you're just one molotov cocktail away from domestic terrorism. All of America has tuned you out as evidenced by the fact that DONALD TRUMP won the presidential election. But you don't get it, do you? And you never will.
You whiny, morally bankrupt, benighted hypocrites are a doomed party and I'm enjoying every minute of it. The more you whine about crap like this, more ears tune your stupid asses out. You've done more to destroy your ideology than conservatives have done in a century of fighting you cretins.
Good work, ladies. Now, STFU and let the adults run things for a while.
Pax Vobiscum
There is ZERO evidence of a "cover up". The FBI retrieved some of the "deleted" emails that H's team deemed "personal" originally using various methods, and there was NOTHING nefarious found in that sample. There were mistakes in reading to determine "personal", but the pattern fit sloppy reading, NOT an evil plot.
Table-ized A.I.
Sorry, I just hear a bloviating politician pretending to be the prosecution in an imaginary court case.
ZERO clear evidence was given of intent, period. If you heard otherwise, then I question the logical or linguistical functioning of your brain and suspect you either have a low IQ or are highly self-deceived due to bias.
As far as "one device", the decision over the server was made early in her tenure. She may have LATER used other devices for various reasons. R's seem to expect her to predict the future. I agree she should have been probed for more details on the timeline of that, but so far we don't have sufficient info to model exactly how the quantity of devices was analyzed in her decision process.
Other opinions welcome.
By the way, here's one interpretation as a mock trial:
http://econ-ecoff.blogspot.com...
Table-ized A.I.
Heh fuckmuffin - - bitch Hillary not give away too many state secrets to her Saudi blo-jobbers? You gotta find state sewer contracts in Indiana ?? Progresive sand-nibbers not enough? Fuck there goes American culture . Slit yo nose or sunthin' .....
That's their plan to win back power, as well as sabotage anything that could possibly be a net benefit to the public, because then they can blame the failure on the current administration. The more false accusations are levied, the more colorful and childish pejoratives or ad hominems they come up with, the more it becomes apparent that the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend at all.
At least some people on the left 'get it' but the voices of reason will be lost among the cacophony of selective outrage, or be outright shouted down themselves. The time is ripe for the political parties led by the baby boomers to be swept aside for something new, something that can break us out of this downward spiral of self defeating deadlock and stagnation.
I really don't like Trump or Pence, but so what if he used his AOL email? Nothing that happens in Indiana state business should be so sensitive that it couldn't be published publicly. Maybe I'm biased because I think in a democratic society almost nothing should be secret. Specific military capabilities and operations and that's mostly it.
I voted for Trump, and I'm *not* giving Pence a free pass on this. One reason that I voted for Trump was because of H. Clinton's carelessness with security, using her personal mail server. This, and carelessness with phone security, are just as bad.
I'm not for a particular party or politician. I'm for the US. I want conversations "including issues related to homeland security" to be secure, no matter who the politician is.
.... with a Windows 98 PC?
What Pence did was stupid, but legal. What Clinton did was knowingly illegal and used to conduct state business outside of government/public scrutiny which is exactly why it was illegal.
One was dumb. The other was criminal.
We must not have a soybean-yield gap!
I just... can't get past the fact Mike Pence uses an AOL account. I mean I know conservative politicians are typically behind the times socially, economically and morally but even technologically. What kind of PC you rockin at home Pence a 486?
This will be another incident where left-wing trolls will spin a fake equivalence in order to try to distract the simple-minded from the FACTS.
Hillary setup a private SERVER in private hands and under her control and then proceeded to do ALL her government business through it INCLUDING handling highly-classified info on it. That private server was then used to hide documents from lawful inquiries by citizens using FOIA requests, the courts, and the US Congress. When her server was discovered, she wiped it clean. When these other entities asked for her public records, her state department smugly replied that no such records existed. Hillary's FELONIES included: removal of classified info from secure servers, storage of classified info in insecure places, Destruction of government documents, failure to provide documents demanded by lawful subpoena, and more. Had she not been caught, none of those recordswould have been archived in government repositories as required by LAW, and the 30K+ documents she destroyed will never be seen by the public or by historians or government investigators.
Pence used an AOL account for SOME of his activities and when he left office he setup a procedure to have the contents of the AOL account transferred to his state's government records keepers.
There is NO EQUIVALENCE but that will not stop dishonest leftists from trying to conflate the two in an effort to shield Hillary's bovine posterior.
No, what's mind boggling is all the bullshit you trumpettes keep spouting to show why you aren't hypocrites when you clearly are. Your glass house is cracking apart. You should have bought American instead of that Russian garbage. Your man lies. His cronies lie. All you supporters lie.
We're taking you fucks down.
douse the R's in the same shit they gave hillary. DROWN them in it. let them realize that any weapon you use, the other side will use, when its THEIR turn.
Nope. That's the same kind of thinking that gave rise to Fox News. Left-bias in mainstream media? We'll show them some biased reporting. Escalation ensues. Retaliation doesn't teach anything you intend it to teach.
Now parody and satire, they may be good for something. They may actually raise awareness if done skillfully. But responding in mindless kind just loses eyes and teeth.
Bob Stein, http://bobste.in