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Ask Slashdot: Why Are There No Huge Leaps Forward In CPU/GPU Power?

dryriver writes: We all know that CPUs and GPUs and other electronic chips get a little faster with each generation produced. But one thing never seems to happen -- a CPU/GPU manufacturer suddenly announcing a next generation chip that is, say, 4-8 times faster than the fastest model they had 2 years ago. There are moderate leaps forward all the time, but seemingly never a HUGE leap forward due to, say, someone clever in R&D discovering a much faster way to process computing instructions. Is this because huge leaps forward in computing power are technically or physically impossible/improbable? Or is nobody in R&D looking for that huge leap forward, and rather focused on delivering a moderate leap forward every 2 years? Maybe striving for that "rare huge leap forward in computing power" is simply too expensive for chip manufacturers? Precisely what is the reason that there is never a next-gen CPU or GPU that is, say, advertised as being 16 times faster than the one that came 2 years before it due to some major breakthrough in chip engineering and manufacturing?

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  1. Intel just got faster by Billly+Gates · · Score: 5, Informative

    The sole reason Kaby lakes got hot and clocked in so fast is because of AMD just around the corner and it worked to beat Ryzen. I expect the CPU race to heat back up again as physics has not killed innovation yet.

    Proof is GPU's and Phones are still improving at breakneck speed. It is only because of an INtel monopoly that on the desktop it has went to a standstill.

  2. Re:One word by sl3xd · · Score: 5, Informative

    To elaborate: We can't reliably clock Silicon much faster than we're doing right now.

    There are other semiconductors (such as GaAs) which can operate reliably at higher frequencies, but they are absurdly expensive, produce too much heat, consume too much power, and so on -- not to mention the fact our tiny process sizes for silicon don't exactly work for entirely different materials (chemistry bites again).

    We're running into a similar wall for die shrinkage, on multiple fronts:

      - We're getting into the size territory where bits flip due to quantum tunneling, which tends to hurt reliability. Flash storage has started to reach that territory, if my colleagues working for ${SSD MANUFACTURER} are telling me the truth.
      - Yields of working units are going down significantly as the die shrinks, and it's taking a lot longer to figure out how to bring yields back up.

    In the end, every material has its limits, and we're starting to run into them with Silicon, and there isn't a material that 'stands out' as worth betting the business on.

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  3. Because there's no such thing as one "performance" by imgod2u · · Score: 5, Informative

    CPU architect here. I'll try to provide some insight.

    Performance for CPU/GPU or any computational tool isn't exactly just a number you hit. It's not like bandwidth for storage or communications nor is it like a battery's capacity.

    A CPU and to a lesser extent a GPU is able to perform all sorts (all logical) computational functions. Each of these involves different usage patterns of the different computational paths inside a piece of silicon. And thus, speeding up each of these usage patterns requires different structures.

    A single piece of code running something complex like launching an app or opening a webpage will generate hundreds of millions of instructions with lots of different patterns. Think about all those API's you call. How much code do you think is similar between them?

    And thus the problem of improving "performance". The goalpost is a shifty one. Speed up one code pattern, and you risk your changes hurting another. Or you can spend extra transistors making a specialized accelerator for that code pattern. But then...it'll be idle 95% of the time.

    And if you speed up a particular function by 1000x (it's happened), your average speed increase for a typical benchmark or API call will still be 0-1%. Because that function is only a small piece of the larger codebase.

    Think about how many non-similar libraries and functions there are in typical software, and think about how there's any way to speed them *all* up. You can make memcpy or memset (malloc uses these) faster by 5x and that'll speed up javascript processing by....0.01% or so.

    The reason "performance" doesn't increase as drastically in the computer world is because computing "performance" is very very multifaceted. Much like how "intelligence" can't just be increased by 5x -- someone can get 5x better at specific tasks, like memorizing or image recognition, but that doesn't make them 5x more "intelligent".

    Compare this with a simple metric like 0-60 acceleration or network bandwidth.

  4. Gate tunnelling current by swm · · Score: 5, Informative

    Moore's law had a great run: ~40 years from early 60s to early 00s.
    During that time, every generation boosted density, gate count, clock speed, and value per dollar.
    The (exponential!) rule of thumb was 2x more every 18 months.

    Everyone knew it had stop sometime: you can't make things smaller than atoms.
    What finally did stop it (considerably north of atom-scale) was gate tunnelling current.
    In a MOS-FET, the gate is separated from the channel by an insulator (SiO2).
    As you scale the transistor down, that insulator gets thinner, along with everything else.
    When the insulator thickness is less than the wavelength of an electron, you start to get significant tunnelling current.
    This acts like short-circuit from the power to ground.

    The technology hit the wall around 2003.
    Gate tunnelling current was then over half of total power dissipation.
    The power density of the CPU chip was 150 W/cm^2 (like a stove top),
    and going further was clearly impractical.

    As it happens, the clock speed at that design node was 3 GHz,
    and that's pretty much were we are today.
    Everything since then has been building bigger, not faster: multi-core, caches, SoC;
    plus architecture tweaks and optimizations, like pipelining and super-scalar.

    It was a great run while it lasted, but it's over,
    and we're not getting another one without a fundamental scientific/technological breakthrough,
    on the order of coal, or steel, or quantum mechanics.

  5. Risk Averse CEOs are holding us back by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 5, Informative

    Risk averse CEOs who don't want to sink in the R&D to make carbon based chips because there is risk of it not working.

    A synthetic diamond transistor was first built and tested over 13 years ago at 81GHz: http://www.geek.com/blurb/81gh...

    More recently they developed a 300GHz Graphene transistor, but that was still 7 years ago: https://www.bit-tech.net/news/...

    The technology is there and proven, but scaling it up to processor scale would be a massive investment and a big risk.

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  6. Weak process improvement/Few ideas waiting by erice · · Score: 5, Informative

    This kind of thing was rather common until about 2000. Each process node was better in every way than the last. Big jumps in performance at each node advance. Power went down too. And, of course it was much cheaper per gate. You could get doubled performance and 1/4 the cost by just porting over the same design, trace for trace, to the next full node. These "die shrinks" were quite common. Through the 90's you got an extra bonus for new designs. That is because the industry was brimming with ideas that were known to work but were just not practical to implement because they took too much silicon area.
    First the idea spigot sputtered. The good mainframe ideas had already been implemented. It was longer clear what to do with all those gates. New ideas were tried. Some worked. Some didn't. Also, about this time, complexity started to threaten the ability to make chips that actually worked. Bugs became more common. Design progress slowed.

    Then process starting acting up. Power scaling stopped. More transistors were available but if you used them, your chip consumed proportionally more power. Run the transistors faster and you had the same problem, only worse. A hot chip was no longer a marketing problem, it was a chip that would not work. More effort and more complexity were needed to tame power. A simple die shrink wouldn't do that much.

    Then process started getting messier. The new nodes were not better in every way. Leakage current went up instead of down. Variability went up. Performance scaling slowed. Getting any improvement at all required more development time and money. Progress always slows when development time and cost rise.

    Then 20nm planer came and it was awful. Terrible leakage. Required double patterning. Double patterning means more masks mean more expense up front and during manufacturing. It actually cost more per transistor than 28nm. What was the point, really?

    That is pretty much the mess were are in now. Can't significantly increase clock rate. Can't throw gates at the problem and wouldn't really know what to do with the gates if we had them. Finfets temporarily tamed power but are only available in nodes hobbled by the need for multi-patterning.