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Nintendo Switch Owners Complain About Dead Pixels, Nintendo Says They're 'Normal' (theguardian.com)

Nintendo says the dead or stuck pixels Switch owners are complaining about are "normal" and not defects. "New Switch players have taken to online discussion boards, including a 2,000-comment strong Reddit post, to complain of screen issues distracting play, unbecoming of a $300 handheld gaming machine," reports The Guardian. From the report: In a support document entitled "There are black or bright dots on the Nintendo Switch screen that do not go away, or there are dark or light patches on the screen," Nintendo said: "Small numbers of stuck or dead pixels are a characteristic of LCD screens. These are normal and should not be considered a defect." Customers wishing to swap their Switch consoles with defective screens will get no support from Nintendo. A similar issue happened with the Nintendo DS at launch in the U.S., but the Japanese gaming company eventually relented after complaints from buyers, begrudgingly offering replacements under warranty. Nintendo also warned users that using the Switch near an aquarium or within a meter of another wireless device, including laptops, wireless headsets, wireless printers, microwaves, cordless phones or even USB-3.0 compatible devices "such as hard drives, thumb drives, LAN adapters, etc," might cause the Joy-Con controllers to disconnect from the Switch.

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  1. You do realize... by gweilo8888 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...that Nintendo doesn't have to accept the lowest bid if it doesn't think a good job will be done, right? The buck stops with Nintendo, not the factory they contracted construction out to. The factory will happily take whatever quality control measures Nintendo deems necessary, so long as they're paid enough.

    1. Re:You do realize... by gweilo8888 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sorry, but no. It's not that hard to get quality products out of China *if you're willing to pay the cost*. I know, because I've owned many high-quality products made in China which outlasted the utility of their design long before the hardware failed. Chances are that you have too, whether or not you were conscious of it. I know it's fashionable to shout "China means low quality", but the fact of the matter is that for a company the size of Nintendo, China only means low quality if you want it to. Odds are that Nintendo has made a conscious decision to lower its in-house quality standards and thereby increase the yields / reduce the costs for the LCD panels used in the Switch. It is that simple.

    2. Re:You do realize... by Wootery · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm just not sure their finances are able to support a first rate hand held device

      That makes no sense. I don't care what state your finances are in, it's never in your financial interest to make crap and anger your customer base. This is especially true of Nintendo: their reputation for hardware quality is pretty damn good.

    3. Re:You do realize... by stealth_finger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The manufacturer configures the maximum number of acceptable dead pixels in the software.

      For a premium machine from a company like nintendo that number should be 0

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  2. Dead pixels normal... in 2001. by Mal-2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I didn't plan to buy one anyhow, but this is proof positive that Nintendo still has the sense of entitlement leading them to say "you'll take what we give you, and you'll like it". Getting rid of region locks might have been seen as a step to hand some control back to the customer, but refusing to accept that dead pixels are defects and have been considered such for at least ten years now is an admission that they either can't do better, or are honey badgers about what the customer actually thinks. Unreliable connections are defects too, even Apple wasn't able to get away with the "you're holding it wrong" defense for very long.

    If they can't do better for technical reasons... well I'm not buying that. They can do better, because other device manufacturers are doing better. If they can't afford to do better, then they really should get out of the hardware market.

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  3. Of course they are normal..,. by mark-t · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... on an older screen or one that has been abused. On a new device? Not so much. The only reason that anyone's going to take Nintendo's explanation lying down is because trying to stand up to Nintendo on this point is going to take a ton of perseverance, time, and probably money with no assurance that it's actually going to work out.

  4. Not in 2017 by MBGMorden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I remember WAY back in the early 2000's when LCD flat panels first started getting cheap enough for the average consumer (I bought my first as a 17" for $300 back around 2001) it was common for there to be at least 1 dead pixel - and they generally wouldn't consider it a warranty item unless there were more than 10 or more than 2 within a few cm of each other.

    That is pretty much of thing of the past now though. In the last ~7 years I can't recall having a single display with a dead pixel, and in today's age I certainly would return a display (or device) that had one.

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    1. Re:Not in 2017 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also, in no country with sane consumer protection laws do consumers have to be aware of ISO standards in order to make an informed buying decision - referring to ISO standards to justify defects in consumer products is just insane.
      I looked it up and I see that German courts essentially upheld that some pixels being defective wouldbe acceptable HOWEVER even that is just an interpretation of what "suitable for normal use" means, a blindingly bright dot in the middle of a HDR TV still makes the product not suitable for its intended purpose, even if it's only 1 subpixel. The courts also ruled that in contrast a single defective pixel in a camera sensor is NOT ok, at least not if the software can't remove it (and even if it's unable to remove it only in video mode).

  5. Re: Terrible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Depends on the device. You'll notice it a lot more on a 720p screen like the Switch than you would on something like a 4k screen of the same physical dimension that has a much higher dpi.

  6. Re:Reduced Expectations by gl4ss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If I went to the local tech mall and bought 100 tablets, I could take 100 tablets and none of them would have any dead pixels.

    thats why people are complaining. it's not usual nowadays. if you have such a policy that you need x amount of them to be bad for it to be a defect, put it on the box.

    or just try the device before buying, thats what people do in asia - in the west you just assume it works.

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  7. Re:Well, it depend on pixel density by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah but the Galaxy explodes.

  8. Re:It's not a dead pixel by dmesg0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... I guess sort of like bad sectors are a characteristic of disk drives ...

    Each hard drive has bad sectors detected during the QA testing and permanently stored in drives primary defects list (PLIST) table. The visible reallocations that start from 0 and reported by S.M.A.R.T are grown defects list (GLIST), not existing during the manufacturing. So yes, bad sectors are sort of a characteristic of disk drives.

  9. Re:It's not a dead pixel by stealth_finger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... I guess sort of like bad sectors are a characteristic of disk drives ...

    Each hard drive has bad sectors detected during the QA testing and permanently stored in drives primary defects list (PLIST) table. The visible reallocations that start from 0 and reported by S.M.A.R.T are grown defects list (GLIST), not existing during the manufacturing. So yes, bad sectors are sort of a characteristic of disk drives.

    But in that sense they get hidden and the user is never aware rather than them going "nah, you can't save that properly, bad sector innit, that's just how they work now pay up and fuck off"

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