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Microsoft Releases Visual Studio 2017 (visualstudio.com)

Posted by msmash on from the new-developer-tools dept.

Reader Anon E. Muss writes: Microsoft on Tuesday released Visual Studio 2017. The latest version of the venerable Integrated Development Environment supports a variety of languages (C/C++, C#, VB.net, F#, Javascript/Typescript, Python, etc.) and targets classic "Win32" desktop, Universal Windows Platform (UWP, also known as "Metro"), .NET, ASP, node.js, etc.). A "Community Edition" is available at no cost for individual developers and those working on open source software. "Professional" and "Enterprise" editions are available for corporate developers, at prices sure to shock whoever has to sign the check.

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  1. we know what vs is - did anything change? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    crappy summary for the slashdot crowd. we know what visual studio is - what we want to know is what, if anything, changed

    1. Re:we know what vs is - did anything change? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      VS2017 Release Notes

    2. Re:we know what vs is - did anything change? by chispito · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you have to ask, the changes probably don't matter to you.

      Fantastic point. All news is dumb because if it were important to us, we would already know it.

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  2. Re:64-bit by scb147 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Microsoft,

    It's 2017 and Visual Studio is still 32-bit.

    Sincerely,
    Developers

    My MSDN account shows both 32-bit and 64-bit are available for Professional.

  3. $500 is Shocking??? by turp182 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Professional version is $500 (license, not subscription):
    https://www.visualstudio.com/v...

    That seems very reasonable.

    Enterprise is quite a bit more ($6K for new, $2.6K to renew), but it is part of the MSDN Enterprise (previously Ultimate I believe, that's what my license is called at this time), you get access to almost everything MS has ever made (want Windows 3.1 or DOS 6, it's there, want enterprise SQL Server, it's there).

    Here's the link to the prices:
    https://www.visualstudio.com/v...

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    1. Re:$500 is Shocking??? by dontbemad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think what is shocking to the vocally anti-Microsoft (and proprietary software in general, for that matter) crowd on slashdot is that people can get away with charging MONEY for SOFTWARE.

      It never ceases to amaze me how, despite the fact that the majority of us on this website make our money in tech or software, the idea of charging money for those services is revolting to some.

    2. Re:$500 is Shocking??? by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Informative

      Does this mean I can get Visual Studio 2016 for a cheaper price now since it is considered old and obsolete?
      what about VS 2015 or older? Cheaper is better.

      There is no VS2016. As for VS2015 I doubt you can even buy it now unless you get through an MSDN subscription.

      But anyway for 100% of non-corporate usage the community editions handle everything you can throw at them and are free. The Pro only starts to make sense when you want to tie into a Team Foundation Server in a corporate environment.

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    3. Re:$500 is Shocking??? by Kjella · · Score: 3, Funny

      $500 is Shocking???

      The submitter is probably measuring that in Ramen noodles while being a squatter on campus like his idol, because software wants to be like, free, man. And I'd show him our SQL Server Enterprise bill, but I fear he'd go into cardiac arrest. For us Visual Studio is just a rounding error for SSIS/SSAS/SSRS development.

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  4. Re:64-bit by Ambassador+Kosh · · Score: 4, Informative

    The IDE is 32bit. The compile, debug, profile etc chain are 32bit and 64bit.

    There is probably no reason for the IDE to be 64bit since it does not come even close to use enough memory to justify that. I have opened a few visual studio projects in 2017 and most of them don't use more than 200 MB. Resource usage so far is about half that of VS 2015.

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  5. How do I turn the telemetry off this time? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the last VS I had to add a compiler option to stop you from sneaking your snooping crap into my code, what is it going to be this time?

    Yours,

    An Ex-VS user.

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    1. Re:How do I turn the telemetry off this time? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And it's just me who wonders why they add something like this, without any documentation of the calls whatsoever, and only admit it sheepishly when we basically find them with their hand in the cookie jar?

      If you add calls me my binaries, I sure as FUCK expect you to tell me up front. If not, tell me one good reason why I should EVER trust your compiler again.

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  6. Re:64-bit by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's 2017 and Visual Studio is still 32-bit.

    Unless you have specific use cases 64-bit doesn't always mean better. Most apps don't need the extra address space, and jumping to 64-bit means doubling your pointer sizes, which increases memory usage, reduces locality, and puts a larger burden on cache.

    In VS's case they did the math and 32-bit was better. They've said this for years now. It's not a bad thing.

  7. FYI: No ISO download by rastos1 · · Score: 3, Informative

    But you should be able to create an offline installer

  8. Re:64-bit by ebyrob · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Try installing that "64-bit" version. Pretty sure devenv.exe is still going in "Program Files(x86)".

    See: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-...
    About **still** using msvsmon.exe to debug 64-bit in 32-bit VS...

  9. Visual C++ for Linux! by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No I am not making this up either. Also a beta version of Visual Studio for Mac is available too as well as better Android and IOS support. VS since 2015 also comes with Java and Android emulators as well via Hyper-V.

    MS is getting quite serious about being cross platform

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  10. Re:Coumminty edition is FREE! Not crippled by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Informative

    The community edition is not the crippled express editions. You can even make professional software with it too. THe only difference is the MSDN subscription and corporate Team Foundation features for teams and groups.

    THe Community Edition even comes with Git and Git tools to use for things like Github.

    So why is everyone whining? Things are not free to make and like Redhat there is CentOS for those who do not need enterprise support but is there for those that do.

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  11. Re: 64-bit by judoguy · · Score: 5, Interesting
    VFP was for serous database programmers. VB was for looks.

    I used to get hired to create VFP layers to bridge SQL Server, AS400 and other databases to other apps because it just worked and worked well.

    Wasn't a "real" Windows app in some UI ways, but when you needed to push/pull data to and from disparate back ends and integrate that data into COM based Outlook, Word, Excel and other Windows based applications, there was nothing better. We'd have C# guys come in and try to migrate VFP apps and they'd whine at the requirements to do things that are simple in VFP.

    In 35 years of heavy relational database focused consulting on different platforms, nothing was as easy to use or as powerful as VFP.

    So there!

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