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China Expresses Concern at Revelations in Wikileaks Dump of Hacked CIA Data (reuters.com)

China has expressed concern over revelations in a trove of data released by Wikileaks purporting to show that the CIA can hack all manner of devices, including those made by Chinese companies. From a report on Reuters: Dozens of firms rushed to contain the damage from possible security weak points following the anti-secrecy organization's revelations, although some said they needed more details of what the U.S. intelligence agency was up to. Widely-used routers from Silicon Valley-based Cisco were listed as targets, as were those supplied by Chinese vendors Huawei and ZTE and Taiwan supplier Zyxel for their devices used in China and Pakistan. "We urge the U.S. side to stop listening in, monitoring, stealing secrets and internet hacking against China and other countries," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang told a daily news briefing.

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  1. China should worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps China should be *more* worried about the people who hacked the CIA, rather than the CIA? If there are all these security holes in Chinese made kit, then the Russians will be exploiting them just as much as the CIA.

    1. Re:China should worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The Chinese are probably more concerned that their backdoors have been found than anything else.

    2. Re:China should worry by gnick · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Perhaps China should be *more* worried about the people who hacked the CIA, rather than the CIA?

      Maybe, but I think it's far more likely to be a leak than a hack.

      If there are all these security holes in Chinese made kit, then the Russians will be exploiting them just as much as the CIA.

      Well, the Russians now know about these vulnerabilities as well as the ones they've discovered on their own - Just like every other country with a cyber-warfare division. You have to assume that there was some overlap - The Russians were likely already exploiting some of these holes. The big difference now is that we have a large number of cards on the table. Oops.

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    3. Re:China should worry by dreamchaser · · Score: 2

      That would make sense if the CIA had been hacked. All indications are that contractors working for the CIA gave the info to Wikileaks, so it wasn't a hack.

  2. Tough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a Canadian, it's become harder and harder to decide which country is the least hostile between the U.S.A., China and Russia.

    I like most Americans, but your government? Yuck.

    1. Re:Tough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dude, your govt is just as guilty. They are part of Five Eyes. Have you never heard of any of this stuff?

    2. Re:Tough by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Funny

      We're too busy trying to not freeze to death because we all live in igloos.

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    3. Re:Tough by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 2, Informative

      Every major country spies - even Canada (ever hear of CSIS? https://www.csis-scrs.gc.ca/in... ).

      The real question is what they do with the information they're looking for. Do they conduct industrial espionage and give/sell it to companies who then can crush the competition? http://www.afr.com/technology/... (Note, not conclusively proven, but pretty scary potential example nonetheless, and a Canada-centric one at that)

      Do they use it to try and influence democratic elections and destabilize peaceful political blocs, like Russia has been (and not just America - go look at France, or Germany, and their election troubles with the Russians).

      Now I certainly won't claim the CIA, and US Government more generally, haven't done some f*cked up shit in the past (Iran/Persia, Central America, etc), but do try to keep some perspective on things.

    4. Re:Tough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Americans are bastard racists, imperialists and hell bent on world domination (if not through direct military intervention then through economic coercion or putting military bases in countries whose people are against it). It's like the Google "do no evil" mantra. Americans do evil in the world, it's just their stupid infotainment propagando doesn't inform them at all.

      If Canadians, French, Germans, British etc had a country the same size and power as the Americans, they would act the same way. Human nature is universal.

    5. Re:Tough by Phusion · · Score: 2

      because a nuke would squash the entire region and as much fun as it would be to vaporize all the camel jockeys, it's probably a human rights violation of some sort to turn civilians into radioactive sludge in the pursuit of crushing terrorists.

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    6. Re: Tough by kaatochacha · · Score: 2

      1812: that was the British.

  3. ...... what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "We urge the U.S. side to stop listening in, monitoring, stealing secrets and internet hacking against China and other countries," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang told a daily news briefing.

    really?????? thats funny coming from china, the king of stealing IP

    1. Re:...... what? by gnick · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's sure the way it seems. This is an obvious case of pot/kettle. I'm sure our response would be the same if the tables were turned. We all act shocked when the other guy is exposed for the same activities that intelligence agencies all over the world surely take part in. The Chinese stand out because the economic espionage is so prevalent.

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  4. Using China's Backdoors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    China is just mad that the CIA is using the backdoors installed in the equipment they build.

  5. What a Coincidence by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    How many of those product back doors in items sold to the USA are there at the request of the Chinese government? We do this, it would be insane to believe they didn't. Much face-flapping about nothing.

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  6. Irony? by DatbeDank · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is a prime example of the pot calling the kettle black.

    1. Re:Irony? by caladine · · Score: 2

      Maybe I'm missing something, but the GP is 100% correct. This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I fail to see how China making a manufacturer insert a backdoor is any "better" than relying on zero-day. This is just another hypocritical points-scoring exercise by a government.

    2. Re:Irony? by Khyber · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "There is no evidence of China hacking and putting its own citizens at risk on anything like the scale of the NSA/CIA."

      Falun Gong. Holy shit do you even pay attention?

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  7. Its all a farce. by JustNiz · · Score: 2

    A political point-scoring game, nothing more.

  8. Weak Media-drive Face Saving by adosch · · Score: 2

    This really isn't news, it's just countries trying to save face and do a quick shaming, finger wag at the US and CIA in regards to 'get off our digital lawns'. All countries have, do, practice, implement, will and always forever have cyber-warfare and hacking toolkits developed in-house for any op, espionage, defensive or offensive they do.

    This is easy for China: I mean, who the hell wouldn't jump on the shit-talk bandwagon to get a few jabs in after a release like this just so you don't look 'as bad'?

    All immediate perception here IMHO.

  9. DDOS by Kagato · · Score: 2

    Without poorly made Chinese IoT devices we wouldn't have the DDOS attacks that currently plague the internet. If you make them secure from DDOS you'll do just fine with national state attacks.

  10. Made by Chinese companies? by quonset · · Score: 2

    show that the CIA can hack all manner of devices, including those made by Chinese companies.

    Isn't that redundant? Aren't the vast majority of devices made in China, including the ones they've ripped off from everyone else? Of course they can be hacked, it's the same product with a different face.

  11. "But everybody else is doing it..." by evolutionary · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We accuse people of hacking our systems, but we are doing it in turn. No surprise. And what do we expect the Chinese to say with these finding? Of course they are doing it, and we are doing it. Everybody's doing it now. We seem to be like children: "Why can't I, everybody else is?". It's like the arms race with nuclear weapons, expect we are using these weapons and they are easy to make publicly accessible. (As the frequent leaks are proving).

    What I'd really like to know is why aren't US citizens showing their outrage at having their basic constitutional right to privacy as well as due process to search of private data (which often resides in their home) violated on a daily (more likely many. many times per day) basis. Americans' need to stand up for what they say they believe in.

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    1. Re:"But everybody else is doing it..." by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 2

      What I'd really like to know is why aren't US citizens showing their outrage at having their basic constitutional right to privacy as well as due process to search of private data (which often resides in their home) violated on a daily (more likely many. many times per day) basis. Americans' need to stand up for what they say they believe in.

      OK. I'll explain it to you. Short version - you're basically the old man yelling for the kids to stay off his lawn but you don't realize it. Society has changed and you are stuck in how things used to be, not how they are.

      Today's millennials grow up with all aspects of their life documented on video and publicly available for viewing. Even stupid things. I'm sure most of us have read about crimes that some dumb young person will do, get a friend to record it to video on a cell phone, share it publicly in some way like Facebook and then act totally shocked when the law comes after them. Anthony Weiner is over 50 years old and he's best known for being so addicted to what they call "sexting" that even despite losing good paying jobs and having his wife separate from him, he can't stop doing it. Does that seem rational? How many of your male friends, and I assume you are male, wake up in the morning and go "Hmm.... I think my best plan for today is to take a picture of Little Joey and send it to a person I've never actually met in person". I've got friends close to 50 years old on both sides of that age who seemingly can't live without posting photos every day to Facebook. One is the wife of a good friend and she seems to be a good person, but I feel kind of sorry for her because it just seems like it's extremely important to her to get positive feedback on Facebook for photos she posts of herself. And I know a guy who it seems like every other day posts a new photo of him and his girlfriend with text saying how much he loves her and I'm starting to wonder who exactly he is trying to convince here. The right to privacy is pretty much gone and people gave it up willingly. You don't have to like it, but you could at least accept the reality of it. As far as your complain about the search of private data in homes goes, currently that still requires a court order. Maybe that will change, but we're not there yet. I'm sorry but society decided it wanted to live in a world with a lot less privacy and I get that you weren't asked to agree to this, but that's how it is.

  12. China to US: Stop waking our citizens by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    China is far more concerned that now all Chinese citizens will know their own government spies on them using the backdoors they built into all the TVs and cell phones they made.

    They care nothing about the US impact, only propping up their government.

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  13. Try being over here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm now getting hate from Liberals and Conservatives alike for being a moderate. It got lost in all the 'OMG Libtards going APESHIT' 'Conservatives rubbing it in Libtards faces' drama the media was pushing, but the major concern of the election shouldn't have been who won, it was that the popular vote was ALMOST EVENLY DIVIDED ACROSS PARTY LINES.

    That should have recieved a lot more discussion, and a small bit of it was coming out recently: Liberals and conservatives have dramatically different ideas of what America should be, and the two sides have been growing more polarized each year. It is getting to a point where for America to function there either needs to be a second civil war, a constitutional referendum, or a mass migration and secession movement as the country's inhabitants reorganize themselves into liberal and conservative strongholds and formally separate. The current situation has been coming for at least 150 years (and depending on who you ask, for as long as the colonies have existed.)