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Uber Is Using In-App Podcasts To Dissuade Seattle Drivers From Unionizing (theverge.com)

Uber doesn't like unionization, like many corporations. In January, the company sued the city of Seattle to challenge the city's authority to implement a law that would allow ride-share drivers to unionize. The Verge is reporting today that the company has been using in-app podcasts to dissuade their Seattle drivers from unionizing by explaining, in their view, how the city's unionization law would negatively affect drivers. From the report: Uber spokesperson Nathan Hambley pushed back on a story from The Wall Street Journal over the weekend that suggested Uber drivers in Seattle were forced to choose whether or not to listen to the company-produced podcasts every day before they can begin picking up riders. The podcasts, which are produced in a number of geographic markets for Uber drivers, appear as notifications at the bottom of the app that can be dismissed or ignored -- or acted upon to start the latest podcast episode, which usually run under 10 minutes. Drivers are not required to listen to the podcast, said Hambley in an interview. "They are not required to look down at the notification at all. The most prominent button is to go on or offline to accept rides." The notification first appears as the limited message on the left, and, if the driver swipes up, the full message appears. The notification remains at the bottom of the driver screen regardless of whether it is ignored, or if the podcast is listened to or not.

102 comments

  1. Text please? by Notabadguy · · Score: 1

    Could someone be so kind as to copy/paste the WSJ article into here so that we can read it? FYI, a summary to news that no one can read is shite editing.

    Looking at you BeauHD.

    1. Re:Text please? by CaptainDork · · Score: 1, Informative

      Google, "copyright," and get up to speed about the illegality of copy/paste of material that is a revenue stream.

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    2. Re:Text please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I Googled your mom, instead.

    3. Re: Text please? by WarJolt · · Score: 2

      That's fair use.

    4. Re:Text please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google : "sanctimonious holier-than-thou piece of worthless subhuman trash" and you will see a photo of yourself, you faggot.

    5. Re: Text please? by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      Only if done for comedic purposes.

    6. Re:Text please? by bhcompy · · Score: 1

      You are not entitled to ad revenue

    7. Re: Text please? by davester666 · · Score: 1

      I think I heard someone throwing what sounded like their keyboard at a wall, and then started yelling at their computer. Anyway, turned up the volume on the radio to drown out the basement-dweller and went back to stupping CaptainDorks mom.

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    8. Re:Text please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      You are not entitled to free content.

  2. As intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you have a system like that of the US of A one tends to wonder they bother complaining at all.
    Unions are by the people, for the people.
    Corporations are by special interest groups for profits.
    The two never shall meet.
    Without the collective will of the people, an individual is easy picken's for the corporation to instil its will.

    This all boils down to a systemic corruption of the political platform with bribery/lobbying and cronyism at its heart.

    1. Re:As intended by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1, Interesting

      When you have a system like that of the US of A one tends to wonder they bother complaining at all.
      Unions are by the people, for the people.

      That's funny. Let me tell you how it really works.

      In the USA, unions are by the mafia, for the mafia. Typically the mindset is that they want more dues so that the union boss can be rich. They'll push for things like higher wages or preventing lazy workers from getting shitcanned towards that end. They'll also sabotage the employer whenever possible and throw union members under the bus towards that end as well.

      Unions in other countries (especially Europe) tend to be good organizations, just not the ones in the US. European companies tend to like labor unions because it gives them a medium to openly have dialogue with their employees, and collective bargaining can be seen as mutually beneficial for the employee and employer alike. This is why Volkswagen's management tried to get their US employees to unionize; they were expecting European style unionization. However the employees themselves declined because they were a bit more wise about just how corrupt and thuggish UAW really is:

      http://www.labornotes.org/2001...

    2. Re:As intended by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Still a lesser evil. If you come up with a better system, let us know.

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    3. Re:As intended by RabidReindeer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      OR it could just be that that's been a steady stream of propaganda from a certain political party and Corporate America for 100 years. A Big Lie repeated over and over again until it "becomes" the unassailable Truth.

      Any organization can become corrupt at times but that does not mean that you can automatically assume that all such organizations are all corrupt at all times.

      Indeed, it is often the case that the more people need something, the more that unsavoury types will move in. And if they need something desperately and someone rich and powerful opposes them, it's not unthinkable that the unsavoury types could get a little extra "help", if you know what I mean.

      There are a lot of things to dislike about Unions. But thinking you can stand up as a single individual and negotiate on an even footing with an organization which is stocked with cash, "Human Resources", lawyers, and the patience to starve you out is pitiably naive.

    4. Re:As intended by Cederic · · Score: 1

      How about the union system in Germany?

      That was easy.

    5. Re:As intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like the propaganda from the other political party that all companies are evil and don't care about their employees? As a single individual, if you have value to the company, you have footing to get certain things you don't like.... unless, of course, you believe political propaganda.

      Sorry, but *any* union that requires membership to hold a job is just straight wrong ... and sadly, that is most of them. If I want to do XYZ for company ABC without joining a union that I do not support ... then why should I?

    6. Re:As intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The employee could just quit the job if they find the conditions or compensation intolerable.

    7. Re:As intended by kilfarsnar · · Score: 2

      The employee could just quit the job if they find the conditions or compensation intolerable.

      That's not true in many cases, and you know it. The employee almost always needs the job more than the employer needs that particular employee. There is always a power imbalance, which is why unions are a thing in the first place.

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    8. Re:As intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I want to do XYZ for company ABC without joining a union that I do not support ... then why should I?

      You shouldn't. Go find someplace else to work.

    9. Re: As intended by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Except it wouldn't work in the US.

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    10. Re:As intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a really remarkable view of how these things work. What unions do is to create a power balance to the corporate/management side of the table. It's a membership organization -- the employees can leave or decertify the union if they want to -- that *by design* is going to be a jackass equal in as many respects as possible to corporate management, but trying to skim as much from corporate profits for membership as they possibly can instead of management trying to skim as much from their employees as possible to pad profits.

      So, yes, they are going to be difficult to deal with. And, yes, they are going to try to take as much as possible. But so is management. And the apparent downside of that from your post is.... they try to prevent their members from getting fired and try to get them higher wages? Seems like a good bargain to me.

    11. Re:As intended by strikethree · · Score: 1

      OR it could just be that that's been a steady stream of propaganda from a certain political party and Corporate America for 100 years. A Big Lie repeated over and over again until it "becomes" the unassailable Truth.

      I am sure Jimmy Hoffa is on board with your assertions. You should ask him. Let us know what he says...

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    12. Re: As intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes union bosses would be incentivized to kill the businesses themselves

    13. Re:As intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet during that same corrupt era - which you are trying to assert proves all unions are all corrupt all of the time - millions of workers enjoyed collective bargaining privileges that union-hating you turn your nose up at.

      Is it any wonder you struck out?

    14. Re: As intended by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure -- and the business would be incentivized to kill the union and fire all the employees. There's a parity there, which is the whole point of unions. Why is that bad? Presumably the company can resist that. If they don't have the resources to make their employees be willing to work there then they *should* go out of business. Having employees is a cost; if you can't pay it, you go bankrupt.

    15. Re:As intended by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 1

      There are a lot of things to dislike about Unions. But thinking you can stand up as a single individual and negotiate on an even footing with an organization which is stocked with cash, "Human Resources", lawyers, and the patience to starve you out is pitiably naive.

      Yes, the simplest of game theoretic economic analysis shows that you as an individual employee cannot "negotiate" with your employer. Even for very small companies.

      Say that your boss has ten employees. So you go to negotiate. The only thing when it comes down to brass tacks you can negotiate with is walking away. I.e. quitting. That means that your boss will lose 10% of their productivity, while you will lose 100% of your income stream.

      That's not even close to equal. Your risk and hassle is much greater in that situation than that of your counterpart and any negotiation of course reflects that basic truth.

      So as an independent contractor with many diverse income streams your of course much better off, and that's why law often reflects that, in that if you "contract" but only have one client for long periods of time, then you are an employee and should be entitled to all benefits thereof. Benefits that have been collectively bargained (even through the political system) as its only when ten of you threaten to quit working together that the situation above balances out.

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  3. The right by farble1670 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Uber does have the right to communicate their side of the story to their drivers ... somehow this is controversial because ... they used their app?

    1. Re:The right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The news cabal has decided that they must die for some reason so it's looking for every reason to print bad news about them. I don't really know why, but we know how this works by now so I just ignore the media entirely when they go after someone. I have better things to do than to attend 5 minute hates.

    2. Re:The right by msauve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Legal right != ethical behavior. Uber has shown time and time again that they're evil. They have other means of communicating non-business related messages to their drivers.

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    3. Re:The right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's controversial because it's another example of uber changing the classification of their drivers between employees/contractors depending on which is more beneficial at any given time. They want the perks of both without the downsides of either.

    4. Re:The right by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No your fucking boss does not have the right to spout political propaganda at you every time you start work. If the boss has that right, you should have the right to punch them in the face if you do not like it.

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    5. Re:The right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucks 6ou as Sholes u are a idjit

    6. Re:The right by irving47 · · Score: 2

      Seems the majority of stories coming out about Uber are related to how unhappy the drivers are. And how low the pay is/How hard it is to stay in the black.
      My major red flag was a story about how they "job interviewed" a bunch of potential drivers, but it seemed that it turned out to be a bait/switch for free consulting to help train their self-driving cars.... Sorry, I can't seem to find the article ATM.

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    7. Re:The right by roman_mir · · Score: 0

      I think Uber is good rather than evil, they are providing me with better options to taxi and I personally don't particularly care how they do it.

    8. Re:The right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      ... and that's how the slave trade started.

    9. Re:The right by bhcompy · · Score: 1

      There are many ethical systems. Unethical to you is ethical to someone else

    10. Re:The right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're confusing ethics with morals. They aren't the same.

    11. Re: The right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ah, the good old "I disagree with what you say and will use violence to prevent you from saying it" defense so beloved of the Left these days.

    12. Re:The right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Legal right != ethical behavior"

      subjective

    13. Re:The right by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Uber does have the right to communicate their side of the story to their drivers ... somehow this is controversial because ... they used their app?

      It really depends on the laws. When a unionization drive is taking place, management may be restricted from what they could say and do to employees. In fact, trying to "communicate" about the unionization drive can be considered highly illegal, a form of union busting and land the employer in a LOT of hot water. (E.g., if the drive does not succeed, but a sizable group still wants it, the courts could still decide to certify the union anyways, assuming the communications forced people to not join. And it doesn't matter if in a free vote the union wouldn't have the majority - i.e., had the employer not interfered, the union vote would've failed).

      You might think employers have a right to communicate, but depending on the labor laws, this is not necessarily true.

    14. Re:The right by bhcompy · · Score: 1

      There are umpteen kinds of utilitarian ethical theories alone. I'm not confusing anything, AC.

    15. Re:The right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ethics are generally accepted rules of conduct in society and are not individual based. Whereas moral are more personal. there are many ethical systems, but generally in a given circumstance in a particular society there is not.

    16. Re:The right by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      That's a good point. "Why should I have to pay full price to get my cotton picked?"

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    17. Re:The right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spreading these sorts of lie for profit is legal, yes. Congrats on tackling that strawman so deftly, Ayn.

    18. Re:The right by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      I suppose you think the drug dealer who offers you the first hit of crack is a good person too.

      Uber is subsidizing the price of your 'better options' with investor money and underpaid drivers in the hopes that they can drive all other competition out of business and build a monopoly to exploit.

      And you're all for it because it saves you a few bucks today.

    19. Re:The right by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Define "evil"? Something you don't like with which other people agree?

      It's sad that you think you can define ethical behavior for us by using the word "evil". More evidence that leftists are religious nuts.

      In this case I'll define evil as reducing fares while increasing the cut that Uber takes from each ride. A lot of drivers are pissed about that.

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      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
    20. Re:The right by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      But not force them upon you....see you didn't read that bit. Moron.

    21. Re:The right by a.e.brownlee.iv · · Score: 1

      No your fucking boss does not have the right to spout political propaganda at you every time you start work. If the boss has that right, you should have the right to punch them in the face if you do not like it.

      Why not? If you don't like the job, quit. You're not entitled to stay. Saying you have the right to assault someone for saying something you don't like, makes me wonder if you just started high school.

    22. Re:The right by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      That is just fine with me, if somebody is willing to subsidise my consumption privately, all on their own, without being forced to do it they are more than welcome! If this kills competition then so be it. If these are actually subsidies, eventually they will stop, no subsidy lasts forever, private or otherwise. At that point competition will return. Such as life, it is tough and curious.

    23. Re:The right by Maritz · · Score: 1

      More evidence that leftists are religious nuts.

      "leftist"? What the fuck are you on about? When you can't find your keys, do you conclude it was hidden by nefarious leftists? lol.

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    24. Re:The right by Maritz · · Score: 1

      At that point competition will return.

      lol. Sure it will. That's why you have so many ISPs in the states to choose from.

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    25. Re: The right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poor little fascists. They used to be tough back in the 20th century. Now they clutch their pearls at a tangential reference to a punch. Sad.

    26. Re:The right by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      No your fucking boss does not have the right to spout political propaganda at you every time you start work.

      I guess you've never had a job then? Employers can say whatever they want to their employers as long as it's not harassment or discriminatory (under the law). And the employee is free to end their employment if they don't like it.

      If the boss has that right, you should have the right to punch them in the face if you do not like it.

      Yes, I can see you are a well adjusted reasonable person. It's perfectly normal to punch people in the face when you don't agree with them. I take solace in the fact that you are either a harmless troll, or you'll soon be incarcerated where I won't need to worry about you.

    27. Re:The right by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      You might think employers have a right to communicate, but depending on the labor laws, this is not necessarily true.

      It doesn't follow common sense that the employers would not even be able to communicate their side of the story to employees. I honestly don't know the law, but this just doesn't ring true.

      As an employee, wouldn't you want to hear both sides of the story?

    28. Re:The right by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      But not force them upon you....see you didn't read that bit. Moron.

      Lol. Let me quote,

      Uber drivers in Seattle were forced to choose whether or not to listen to the company-produced podcasts

      Note that is says forced to CHOOSE. I can see you didn't comprehend that bit. Moron.

    29. Re:The right by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      In which case abortion is not about ethics, since there are widely varying beliefs in society. There is no generally accepted rule of conduct for them, the closest being that early-term abortions should be allowed.

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  4. Cooperative makes more sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The company part of all these sharing startups could be replaced if the drivers(sharers) formed a coop, where they all had joint ownership of the infustructure, drivers pay yearly fee of 20 dollars, and then they get to keep all their wages.

    Honestly what does uber really do besides being middlemen.

    1. Re:Cooperative makes more sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      App development, infrastructure, lobbying, advertising.

    2. Re:Cooperative makes more sense by houghi · · Score: 1

      Honestly what does uber really do besides being middlemen.

      Undermining the rights of the workers.

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    3. Re:Cooperative makes more sense by Zan+Lynx · · Score: 1

      Look at what driver groups are trying to do in Austin after Uber left. It's possible to do, but the problems they're having show that it is a lot more difficult and expensive than most people think.

    4. Re:Cooperative makes more sense by CraigCruden · · Score: 1

      3%+ fees for credit cards (credit card authorization); Payments to drivers.... Chargebacks due to fraud?

  5. And you can bet by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The notification remains at the bottom of the driver screen regardless of whether it is ignored, or if the podcast is listened to or not."

    You can bet that Uber is gathering metrics on who which drivers refuse to listen to these "voluntary" podcasts and which ones click away from it before it's finished.

    Those who fall into this "uncooperative" or "unreceptive" group will be punished one way or another, and you can bet your ass on that.

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    1. Re:And you can bet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering the fact that most people probably dont listen to the podcast they'd risk alienating the vast majority of their workforce if they did that.

    2. Re:And you can bet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unpossible, they're independent contractors and they don't work for Uber, as all the world knows.

    3. Re:And you can bet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, the people that run Uber have shown themselves to be immoral, unscrupulous types. A basic businessperson with little regard for humanity.

    4. Re:And you can bet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. They are not allowed to determine the taxi rates, ergo, they are employees of Uber. Tip your drivers, even the Uber drivers. They're all performing a service for you.

    5. Re:And you can bet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beats getting sued for firing for discrimination. This may be one of their angles given the drive to replace everyone with self-driving cars in the near future

    6. Re:And you can bet by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      What the hell does your post have to do with ANYTHING that I said?

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  6. Just Uber PsyOps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uber "Tokyo Rose" may not be so ... persuasive! IPSOFACTO

  7. Re: Bitch hoe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I share your outrage over McDonalds cultural insensitivity in their latest Shamrock Shake advertisement.

    I pledge to only have around 10 this year, instead of getting one every day they are available.

    Join me in this stance for social justice, my brethren!

  8. What a scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Required to listen to company briefings
    >Not employees

    I hope this blows up in their face and is used as further evidence against their "independent contractor."

    1. Re:What a scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you a troll, or just unable to read?

      Even just the summary is clear that they aren't required to listen to/watch anything...

  9. Sawant, who has a husband that Works at Microsoft, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    said she wants a short Uber ride to cost at least $60, so we need to fight against her. She also stands against allowing us to have faster than dial-up access since she is anti-Internet because of her husband that works at Microsoft.

  10. Re: Sawant, who has a husband that Works at Micros by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course she stands against the Internet. You can't blame her for that since her husband works at Microsoft.

  11. Re: Sawant, who has a husband that Works at Micros by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone that makes money from Microsoft will of course hate the Internet.

  12. The thing that really grinds my gears by crioca · · Score: 1

    Why do drivers for Uber, Lyft et al need to wait for Seattle to pass a law before they can unionise? The freedom to collectively bargain is something that all private sectors workers (public sector is a little more complicated) should have a right to.

    1. Re:The thing that really grinds my gears by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more about legal protections for those who do unionise. Since the right to strike is essentially the only power the employees have, it doesn't work well if they can be fired, punished, fined, bullied, demoted and replaced for exercising that right.

    2. Re:The thing that really grinds my gears by Zan+Lynx · · Score: 1

      It's more about the legal right to STOP OTHER WORKERS.

      OF course Uber drivers could unionize, collectively stop working for Uber until their demands are met. The problem Unions have, and why I think most of them are out of date and stupid, is that there are plenty of other people willing to work for the company under the current conditions. The Union hates that. What THEY want is to be the only workers legally allowed to do the job.

      My opinion is that if the Uber work conditions are bad enough that unionizing makes sense then there wouldn't BE any "scab" workers because they'd all see it makes sense to unionize.

      But the way it actually is, this is a few drivers that think they can do better, but don't want the competition.

    3. Re:The thing that really grinds my gears by CraigCruden · · Score: 1

      They would have that right if they were employees, but they are not they are individual contractors.... and as such many of these drivers work for both Lyft and Uber at the same time.... in fact some will encourage you to book the next trip through Lyft because they feel Lyft treats them better. As an individual contractor they work piece meal, and I don't know how any municipal ordinate can change their employment status.... regardless.

  13. Re:Sawant, who has a husband that Works at Microso by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Her $60 per ride demand is just ridiculous. He must think everyone makes as much as her husband does at Microsoft.

  14. Fight the union by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

    Why don't companies ever fight unions by providing a good living for their employees?

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    1. Re:Fight the union by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Because they would make marginally less money.

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    2. Re:Fight the union by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the reality is that many of these business "leaders" are really just mediocre leeches and their "brilliant" business plans fall apart when lies and abuse are removed from the equation. Rather than examine and improve their own value proposition, they lash out and blame others because it's easier. And, sadly, in the US, there are an endless supply of apologists for incompetently-operated businesses. Too many buy the line that "business is, like, hard and stuff" and don't even try so the propaganda goes unchallenged.

    3. Re:Fight the union by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Some do. They tend to not be in the news because of it.

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  15. Unionized? by drakaan · · Score: 1

    I for one think that the drivers should remain ionized.

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    1. Re:Unionized? by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      I think that's pretty negative.

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    2. Re: Unionized? by silentquasar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but then they'll charge more.

  16. Uber Lies by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    "In fact, there isn’t a way for Uber to force drivers to do much of anything"

    Really? A British court would disagree....

  17. I believe this 100%! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    Since demonstrating your loyalty by listening to the company podcast is voluntary; I, for one, express childlike faith that it is completely impossible that compliance statistics would be gathered in the background; or ever factored in to a decision to not-fire-because-they-aren't-employees somebody. That sort of covert stuff just isn't Uber's company culture!

    1. Re:I believe this 100%! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Y.T.'s mom pulls up the new memo, checks the time, and starts reading it. The estimated reading time is 15.62 minutes. Later, when Marietta [her boss] does her end-of-day statistical roundup, sitting in her private office at 9:00 P.M., she will see the name of each employee and next to it, the amount of time spent reading this memo, and her reaction, based on the time spent, will go something like this:

      • Less than 10 min.: Time for an employee conference and possible attitude counseling.
      • 10-14 min.: Keep an eye on this employee; may be developing slipshod attitude.
      • 14-15.61 min.: Employee is an efficient worker, may sometimes miss important details.
      • Exactly 15.62 min.: Smartass. Needs attitude counseling.
      • 15.63-16 min.: Asswipe. Not to be trusted.
      • 16-18 min.: Employee is a methodical worker, may sometimes get hung up on minor details.
      • More than 18 min.: Check the security videotape, see just what this employee was up to (e.g., possible unauthorized restroom break).

      Y.T.'s mom decides to spend between fourteen and fifteen minutes reading the memo. It's better for younger workers to spend too long, to show that they're careful, not cocky. It's better for older workers to go a little fast, to show good management potential. She's pushing forty. She scans through the memo, hitting the Page Down button at reasonably regular intervals, occasionally paging back up to pretend to reread some earlier section. The computer is going to notice all this. It approves of rereading. It's a small thing, but over a decade or so this stuff really shows up on your work-habits summary.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  18. Speaking of blowing up in their face... by tsqr · · Score: 1

    Maybe this Uber driver was listening to one of those podcasts when this happened.

  19. Re: Bitch hoe by Maritz · · Score: 1

    I speak for most Irish, I think, when I say: we dont give a fuck about cultural insensitivity or 'appropriation' or any shit like that. Put a whiskey in your shamrock shake and use it as an enema.

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    I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
  20. Waitasec by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

    ...how can Uber a) call the drivers contractors and b) then dissuade them from organizing? Seems like the former would preclude the latter, and the latter would totally negate the former.

  21. Good union argument by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

    If you form a union, one of the first demands will be that the company will no longer be allowed to play ads in your app.

    I'm generally neutral or slightly anti-union, but this is just the sort of thing that would persuade me to join a union.

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    "Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
  22. don't be a sucker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you have value to the company, you have footing to get certain things you don't like....

    oops, you failed

  23. Unions are bad until you see the other side by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

    I've never had the opportunity to work in a unionized environment, but would be happy to do so. In environments where it's allowed to work well, unions provide individual employees a balanced environment that they couldn't get on their own. Even a fair dismissal process in the coming age of mass unemployment is a good minimum standard.

    Most Uber fans trend younger, and younger employees haven't experienced the other side of the corporate coin. I've been working for almost 25 years now, and have been very lucky to have generally decent employers for most of it. However, younger workers are supremely confident in their ability to negotiate with their employer. They think they'll never be treated unfairly, or if they are they can just walk into another job for a 20% raise the next day. They will happily give their entire life to their job and expect that their employer will never turn on them; look at all the Amazon or Microsoft employees working 100+ hour weeks. And, the most vocal will loudly beat the drum saying that pro-union workers are lazy, entitled and tools of organized crime that drain the precious resources of their employers. They will gladly walk out in front of a train for their employers and say that the free market fixes all. Perhaps the most interesting thing I hear is that they're so much better than the average employer, so why would they ever stoop to the level of helping someone else out?

    Even with my decent employers, I've seen people in their 50s who basically built billions of dollars worth of products and gave their entire career to the company get thrown out with no severance one day when the company decides they have to save money. Entire departments get sent off to India or the Philippines by Accenture and their ilk with the stroke of a pen or click of a mouse. Even inflation-index salary increases are routinely denied because "you're too expensive already." Something has to be done to level the playing field in cases like this, and no individual is going to have the power to do that. The labor/management divide needs to exist; companies have spent decades convincing workers that everyone's all on the same team. You need an antagonistic relationship to keep things fair, otherwise you wind the clock back to the beginning of the 1900s.

  24. Well Uber can blame itself for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The way to prevent unionizing is to treat your employee's oops I meant contractors properly. Of course we all know Uber drivers are really employee's but who's splitting hairs right? Union's have been shrinking dramatically in the US for decades, and its because working conditions are better. We've all saw the CEO of Uber video and how little he cares about the success of the driver's. So it's no wonder many are working towards unionizing ranks to have a voice.

  25. Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The harder a company tries to convince it's workers not to unionize the more they are being exploited. No exceptions.