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Women Still Underrepresented in Information Security (betanews.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: Women make up only 11 percent of the cyber security workforce according to the latest report from the Center for Cyber Safety and Education and the Executive Women's Forum (EWF). The survey of more than 19,000 participants around the world finds that women have higher levels of education than men, with 51 percent holding a master's degree or higher, compared to 45 percent of men. Yet despite out qualifying them, women in cybersecurity earned less than men at every level and the wage gap shows very little signs of improvement. Men are four times more likely to hold C and executive level positions, and nine times more likely to hold managerial positions than women, globally. More worrying is that 51 percent of women report encountering one or more forms of discrimination in the cybersecurity workforce. In the Western world, discrimination becomes far more prevalent the higher a woman rises in an organization.
...garbage disposal and off-shore drilling too! Come on women, WTF!
Shut the fuck up already. If there are fewer women it's because fewer of them are interested not because evil men want to keep them out.
Yet despite out qualifying them, women in cybersecurity earned less than men at every level and the wage gap shows very little signs of improvement.
Hereâ(TM)s an idea I'd like to float, something that I've never heard considered before: Perhaps there simply isn't a legion of women who want to work in the cybersecurity world?
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Don't women get a say? Must they be 50/51% of every field? Maybe pushing women towards a particular field is no better than pushing them away from a particular field. Remove any barriers but let them choose. Maybe some fields are not inherently interesting, we have evolved to have different capabilities and perspectives. If this results in preferences so be it. Let people do what they prefer.
comparing education levels and pay in cybersecurity makes me immediately question this studies conclusions. Anyone working in this industry will be aware that beyond your first job interview your degrees mean less than nothing. Experience and industry knowledge is what earns pay levels in cybersecurity and I am not aware of any of my female colleagues that get paid less for the same job.
Not all ppl, let alone girls, are capable of IT related jobs, especially security. For most individuals, a career in IT comes from a passion about tech at a young age. If a child is not passionate about some aspect of IT, no amount of funding of gender discriminating STEM programs is going to entice someone into the field.
>> Women make up only 11 percent of the cyber security workforce
So what? Thats called FREEDOM TO CHOOSE. Everything shows that's actually by their choice, partly because women are just not mentally as suited as men are to doing jobs like programming.
https://www.netnanny.com/learn...
If you're gonna get up in arms about numeric gender equality, you should be more bothered about why only 9% of nurses are men. Yeah thought not.
http://www.beckershospitalrevi...
I remember having a conversation with a woman tech executive at a very large company. She told me that she has done everything in her power to attract women into the field and specifically into their workplace. Yet, she was unable to break through this imbalance. And this was the top tech exec at the company and she said they just could not maintain the levels of females in the workforce in their company that she wanted. It was, in fact, far, far, below the levels she wanted.
After being in the tech industry for years, I can honestly say that I really do not encounter the implied institutional discrimination in the tech industry. Is there an imbalance in representation? Yes. However, I feel like these imbalances are indicators of other things. It could be cultural things. It could be something else. Maybe even in specific companies, there is a problem. But I feel like these statistics are more of indicators of some other cause than discrimination within the tech industry as a whole.
If we had unions to fight for work-life / family time in IT jobs! then would we be having this talk?
Letting women choose as individuals would run contrary to modern feminism where women must exist only as representatives of the group.
If women were really cheaper, companies would be hiring them in droves to reduce cost.
Individual choice derived from conscious, unconscious, and environmental factors? Are you kidding? That's fascism!
There are three women (10%) on the InfoSec team that I'm on at work. All three are team leaders. They kick ass in technological knowledge, carrying the work load, and getting stuff done on time. The few men who had problems with this found jobs elsewhere.
Women are obtaining 61% of the Masters degrees in the US, the majority of which are NOT STEM RELATED! A PoliSci degree does no good for IT, let alone a specialty like IT Security. Can I take my 4 year Mathematics degree and instantly work in the Medical field? How about being a Sociologist? Journalist?
Once again we have pure propaganda creating a false narrative with a single fact where hundreds would need to be analyzed. Do sane people actually have to contemplate why many people call "Leftism" a mental disease?
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So only 11% of workers are female but 10% of managers are female and 20% of C level workers are female and somehow that proves information security female under-representation is because gender discrimination on the field. Who makes this articles?
Sorry, but any job category that has an actual 1:1 male:female ratio is a statistical fluke. Period.
If women want better representation in a given field, the jobs are there. They simply need to have the qualifications to earn them.
And "has a penis" isn't among the qualifications.
Women have equality of opportunity in this country.
But that's not enough for some. They want equality of outcome. Regardless of how stupid the idea is.
In short, anyone, man, woman, any of the umpty-zillion and one self-defined whatevers, if they believe in equality of outcome over equality of opportunity, please do humanity a favor and make sure these people never breed.
The human race is already collectively stupid enough as it is...
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The underlying assumption is that women want to be "represented" in this field in the first place. Dread the thought that women might not want to do something enough to make the head count ratios match that of the general population.
Women earn about the same for the same work. Deviations are below 5% and it is unclear whom the favor, as this is below the margin of error of such studies. Women are generally not "higher qualified" than men, even if they have more degrees in absolute terms. There are degrees that are easy to get and those that are a lot harder to get. Women have more of the former than men. This whole thing is just a specific type of women trying to make it easy for themselves and get things for free.
That said, these claims just show one thing: It is easy to lie with numbers if you just leave the right bits out. And it shows that people with an agenda like this one are not above lying.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Wait until el Presidente Tweetie learns of this. There will be a new Executive Order, No More Security Exploits of Government Systems, All Security Personnel Can Hence Be Given Their Walking Papers.
Uh, no. Congress approved and funded the contract. It's very unlikely that Congress will cancel the contract willy-nilly without evidence of criminal wrongdoing. Talks are underway for the next five-year contract.
[...] industry sycophants who come crawling to his Oval Office with baubles and trinkets to be used for the next election.
Uh, no. Trump has 500 positions to fill in Washington, D.C. He values loyalty above all else in employees. Finding 500 people who haven't said a negative thing about him is proving to be a serious personnel problem for his still born administration.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/12/us/politics/trump-administration.html
A very large number of IT ppl would never join a union, because they have analytical minds and can see the pointlessness of giving a chunk of their paycheck to a group that only claims to look out for them, but instead makes themselves comfortable.
A lot of IT ppl believe in meritocracy, not socialism, and would rather avoid the industry destruction they've seen in the automotive market. Bad enough when an incompetent manager is kept around to lead a group, worse still when you can't shake off an incompetent team member skating by bc unions.
The problem is cybersecurity is a pretty sucky job, a mindless head fuck. You can never ever really secure a system, all you really do is pretend to do stuff and survive until there is a major breech you can never ever really prevent. Just one greedy git and passwords are gone, secrete hardware installed, software embedded. That git does not even have to be in your company but can be in your hardware supply chain and in the software supply chain, in the network supply chain or even in Government agencies. A corrupt paid off high level political appointee in you own countries intelligence services can quite readily bust your security wide open and your job is done, nothing you can do about it.
You can not check to see if capacitors on your motherboards have been compromised with a chip embedded in the casing and to communicate via power lines or what is really going on with those plastic coated chips, perhaps another chip embedded within that coating connecting and monitoring the chip doing the work. Altered firmware in hardisk or any peripheral, due to flexibility in design, in the firmware, peripherals can be programmed to do all sorts of stuff never intended.
The bulk of cybersecurity is pretending to keep secure what you inherently can not keep secure. You will always lack the budget and resources and control to do the job properly, you juts pretend and hope for the best.
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Letting women choose as individuals would run contrary to modern feminism where women must exist only as representatives of the group.
It also runs contrary to modern statistics. The data suggests that women as a statistical group have different career experiences than men. The question is why?
Do women have different capabilities? Why?
Do women have different preferences? Why?
Are women given fewer opportunities?
We have seen these stories over and over, but we haven't seen answers to these questions.
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I think part of it is because women are smarter than men. Honestly, look at the work environments that we men in IT/programming have to put up with; there's another article here on /. just above about how shitty open offices are. Why would a woman want to go into this profession? The work environment sucks, the coworkers suck, the stability sucks, the tools and technology suck, etc. There's lots of better careers out there for them. These jobs are *especially* bad when you think about the demands of having children, as many women do.
My girlfriend, by contrast, works in legal. She has a (get this) *office*. Not an open-plan office, but a real office to herself so she can concentrate and get work done. Apparently, this is just beyond imagining for IT/programming companies. But in legal, it's perfectly normal. Other women I've dated in legal fields were the same; they all have offices. And they have lots of job stability too.
Face it, this industry just sucks, especially for women. It's no surprise women are avoiding it these days (it wasn't always this way). One female tech exec trying to bring in more women isn't going to make a dent, because she alone doesn't control the culture across companies in this industry, and reputation is something that takes forever to improve once it's been dragged through the mud, and here it's not just one company's reputation, it's the entire industry's.
And of course the site uses an image of two supermodels to portray women in infosec :)))) No wonder they're underrepresented
And men are underrepresented in teaching and nursing.
And white people are underrepresented in professional sports.
Except NASCAR...where we need to conscript minorities.
I already gave my reasoning: they avoid this crappy profession where you can't get a decent workspace.
Men are underrepresented as Pre-School teachers. It is overwhelmingly women. Where is the outrage over that? Asian men are underrepresented in the NBA. African American women are underrepresented as Librarians. Who gives a shit?
This reminds me of that idiotic argument that female tennis players at Wimbledon should make the same as the male competitors. Yeah - except that the men play 5 sets (not 3 like the ladies do), and the audience is overwhelmingly larger for the mens events (and, by extension the advertising dollars). Yet Wimbledon succumbed to political pressure. Same tactic here I suppose.
These questions are addressed in endless studies. It's a shame people always mod links to them down.
Here is a very detailed study that answers the questions you asked, and offers solutions: http://www.jite.informingscien...
From there it is easy to find more information:
http://lib.dr.iastate.edu/cgi/... - problems in education
http://www.npr.org/sections/al... - work culture
And since someone always claims that the stats are wrong, here are some experts explaining that the gap is real: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/...
It would be great if we could actually discuss this stuff for once instead of all the "we just don't know" hand-wringing.
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Perhaps it's because talking too much isn't really a desirable attribute in this field?
Out of interest, is forming misplaced opinions from debunked "facts" a hobby of yours, or do you do it professionally?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...
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I work for a public organization, where they would absolutely salivate over hiring any underrepresented group.
In our last round of basic technician hiring, 150 or so people who applied for two positions.This was a job posted well ahead of time, to most of the government jobs websites.
Only two women applied. Of them, one failed the first written exam, and the second failed her hands on test because she didn't want to lift a PC ( job description included lifting 50 pounds occasionally).
The management was tearing out their hair trying to figure out why this was happening.