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BMW Says Self-Driving Car To Be Level 5 Capable In Five Years (reuters.com)
German carmaker BMW is on track to deliver a self-driving car by 2021, the company's senior vice president for Autonomous Driving, Elmar Frickenstein, said on Thursday. From a report: "We are on the way to deliver a car in 2021 with level 3, 4 and 5," Frickenstein told a panel discussion in Berlin, explaining the vehicle will have different levels of autonomy, depending on how and where it is used. A level 5 vehicle is capable of navigating roads without any driver input, while a level 3 car still needs a steering wheel and a driver who can take over if the car encounters a problem.
Everyone's doing this now.
Hell! I'm Level 5 right NOW.
BTW: WTF is Level 5?
Now make it last more than a year before major mechanical malfunctions.
Once that Tesla model 3 comes out for under 30K plus country subsidies it'll be game over for german cars - the highest end tesla can do 0-60 faster than 99% of the porsches & german cars available so ya, lol....
That's amazing.
I almost shit my britches.
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It would be cool is future BMW have blinkers, because all the ones I see on the road do not!
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To pay $500 for a screw:
1. The US government
2. German car owners
So it's autonomous except when it isn't.
Wake me when we have a car that's full-time Level 5.
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LUDICROUS SPEED!
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
You Musk cultists get more delusional every day.
I'm just waiting for the mass suicide when Tesla goes bust.
I'd rather have to walk everywhere than ever get into a some deathtrap on wheels with no steering wheel, brake pedal, or accelerator pedal, and I'm far from being in the minority, and so far as we're concerned you're a nutjob if you do want to ride in one of those. Furthermore I'd never pay any amount of money for any so-called 'self-driving' technology in any vehicle. Now stop all this nonsense and institute reforms of driver education and training so we don't need this bullshit troll/meme 'autonomous car' bullshit.
Level 5 takes full autonomy to "all driving modes." That means the car is fully capable of driving itself anywhere in any condition, from a snowy, moonlit road to an unmapped desert. It should be noted that, at this point, Level 5 is theoretical. One Audi representative went so far as to describe it as "mythical." It's unlikely we'll see Level 5 autonomous driving in our lifetimes.
http://mashable.com/2016/08/26...
Level 4 is definitely obtainable though.
- Vincit qui patitur.
TFA is rather skimpy on details.
I presume that Level 5 is possible on clear roads, no precipitation and minimal biologic (humans and animals) interference. Say interstates and major thoroughfares.
Level 4 would be city streets with a good opportunity for unexpected events where the driver has to take over following the event (ie an accident in front of the vehicle which necessitates high level decision (ie find alternate route, wait for road to clear, pull out shotgun to keep looters/zombies away).
Level 3 would be the above with active precipitation (snow and rain) which requires the driver to keep an eye on things.
Anybody have a clearer definition?
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What's the level where the car can take me home, legally and safely, when I'm drunk, and then go find itself a parking spot?
It really depends WHERE.
I ain't expecting this to happen anywhere that snows.
I'm an advocate for:
* Electric
* Autonomous
* Shared (ie I don't own it)
vehicles. I like the potential for:
* Quiet roads /. :)
* Efficient travel (I'm a lead-foot)
* No fumes
* Shared rides even
* Time to browse
* TXT/IM/phone & drive legally
* Clear the parked cars of the streets (more lanes, even more efficient)
* Garage & driveway space freed up
I'm just a little worried about people tampering with the smarts and picking you off. I know of two incidents where people who were about to "talk" within days /hours seemed to have their high-tech cars go nuts and kill them.
That really is my only concern... (adjusts tin foil hat)...
http://www.thedrive.com/opinion/7324/the-way-we-talk-about-autonomy-is-a-lie-and-thats-dangerous
Wake me when you figure out how to drive in snow.
If you don't trust an AI while seated in an energy absorbing cage with 3 point restraints and inflatable body protection, you sure as shit shouldn't trust that same AI when you're walking around with nothing to protect you from it at all.
Personally, I'll take an AI over someone driving a 6000lb vehicle while talking on the phone and/or texting and/or posting to Facebook/Instagram/Snapchat any day.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
Just took a long trip using Waze/in car nav. In Nashville, Waze had no idea how to get to a starbucks I had programmed in. I found a parking lot, searched for starbucks near me, and it found one, in Atlanta! Overall both Waze and in car did a good job, missing probably 20% of the time. But 20% is completely unacceptable if they were steering. I had snow in DC area, which I am skeptical self-drive works acceptably. Numerous construction areas, again problematic. I got a feeling self drive is going to be like voice recognition was in the 80's, just around the corner, for another 25 years. Even now, I'm not sure I'd trust voice recognition if my life depended on it.
He's totally missing the point of the definitions. Level 3 is "can drive autonomously, in some conditions, with occasional human intervention". Level 4 is "can drive autonomously, in some conditions, without human intervention". Level 5 is "can drive autonomously, in any conditions that a human can drive in, without human intervention". Saying "We can do Level 3, 4, or 5, depending on the conditions" is saying "We can do Level 3".
I wonder how much weight, electricity, extra parts and cost is going to be shifted to the buyer. Tell me, what happens when one of these special parts break? This will also give the insurance companies a chance to devour you $$$ if you don't comply. I hope they keep the manual override option for another 10 years. Hopefully I'll be dead by then, and won't have to contend with the car crushing situation. I'm sure even the bare bone cars will not be cheaper. Why can't they just stick to making life easier in general in the workplace and at home to prove them selves worthy of automating cars??
Any talk of level 5 and fully autonomous vehicles presupposes [1] a fantastic leap in AI and/or [2] a major increase in the instrumentation of roads and other vehicles that your car can talk to in real time.
For example: Just the other day my wife and I drove 60 miles, all on relatively low-traffic highways, during the day, in dry conditions. Sounds like a perfect "easy" case for an autonomous car, right? It might have been, except for [1] the police checkpoint that stopped every car, [2] the unexpected road closure and detour through middle of freaking nowhere, and [3] the two different encounters with horse-drawn carts half on the road and half on the shoulder, a few miles apart. I can't imagine a car being able to handle all that on its own.
I desperately want to see autonomous vehicles on the public roads. I've been driving a long time and I detest dealing with the distracted morons tailgating, weaving in and out of lanes, cutting me off, etc. But I have no hope that it will happen anytime soon.
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So the auto industry has picked up the hyperbole stick that silicone valley has dropped, huh? It doesn't matter what the car can do in a lab. The world itself isn't going to reshape itself to suit the car anytime soon, possibly not ever. I instantly equate headlines like this with $$$. The greed is astounding. Why did we bail these fuckers out, again?
Not in all weather they won't. Only people in moderate climates will be able to use these.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Stop reading those like an engineer.
Read them like a marketer. Then like a salesman. Then like a lawyer, and like a politician.
Actually I am wrong. A real engineer would require a 500-page specification before deciding if a certain level of marketed self-driving car performance was actually being guaranteed, let alone possible.
It's 2050. Where is my self-driving car? I was promised self-driving cars!
Not going to happen any time soon. Just keep driving your little toy projects in a well defined area.
Oh, and how are your security protocols? I hope you don't have any exposed USB ports on your little toys.
Hopefully it won't drive like a BMW driver.
When they get to Level 11. Most amps, uh, I mean cars, only go to Level 10. So Level 11 is one better, right?
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"Now come back to the present while I demonstrate that the identical trust placed in ordinary people two hundred years ago still survives where it suits managers of our economy to allow it. Consider the art of driving, which I learned at the age of eleven. Without everybody behind the wheel, our sort of economy would be impossible, so everybody is there, IQ notwithstanding. With less than thirty hours of combined training and experience, a hundred million people are allowed access to vehicular weapons more lethal than pistols or rifles. Turned loose without a teacher, so to speak. Why does our government make such presumptions of competence, placing nearly unqualified trust in drivers, while it maintains such a tight grip on near-monopoly state schooling?
It should strike you at once that our unstated official assumptions about human nature are dead wrong. Nearly all people are competent and responsible; universal motoring proves that. The efficiency of motor vehicles as terrorist instruments would have written a tragic record long ago if people were inclined to terrorism. But almost all auto mishaps are accidents, and while there are seemingly a lot of those, the actual fraction of mishaps, when held up against the stupendous number of possibilities for mishap, is quite small. I know it's difficult to accept this because the spectre of global terrorism is a favorite cover story of governments, but the truth is substantially different from the tale the public is sold.
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.