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Happiness is on the Wane in the US, UN Global Report Finds (theguardian.com)

From a report on The Guardian, shared by five anonymous readers: Happiness in the US is declining and is expected to continue on a downward path, with Donald Trump's policies forecast to deepen the country's social crisis. The US has slipped to 15th place in the World Happiness Report 2017, produced by the United Nations. The world's economic superpower is well behind top-ranked Norway, although it remains above Germany in 17th place, the UK in 19th, and France in 32nd. Norway knocked Denmark off the top spot as the world's happiest country, with Iceland and Switzerland rounding out the top four. The report's authors stress, however, that the top four are so close that changes are not statistically significant. The next tier of countries are regular leaders in international happiness surveys: Finland is in fifth place, followed by the Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand, Australia and Sweden. The world's "unhappiest" countries are all in the Middle East and Africa: war-stricken Yemen and Syria feature in the bottom 10, with Tanzania, Burundi and Central African Republic making up the final three.

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  1. Sounds about right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd expect this trend to continue for at least the next 4 to 8 years, depending on how the 2020 elections go. Perhaps even longer than 8 years, depending on how much damage is done to the average citizens' lives due to selfish and thoughtless policy decisions and legislation.

    1. Re:Sounds about right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'd expect this trend to continue for at least the next 4 to 8 years, depending on how the 2020 elections go. Perhaps even longer than 8 years, depending on how much damage is done to the average citizens' lives due to selfish and thoughtless policy decisions and legislation.

      Speaking of selfish and thoughtless policy decisions, the exact same statement could have been said 8 years ago.

    2. Re:Sounds about right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Funny. I don't recall the entire civilized world protesting President Obama, like they are with Donald.

  2. Something stinks by grasshoppa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Happiness in the US is declining and is expected to continue on a downward path, with Donald Trump's policies forecast to deepen the country's social crisis

    This line should tell you everything you need to know about the related article.

    Look, I get it. Your candidate didn't win and it's upsetting to you. However, throwing little hissy fits every chance you get only serves to reinforce WHY folks had the temerity to vote for trump; the behavior of Hillary supporters ( and, let's face it, Hillary herself ) soured her support outside of her base.

    Obviously a lot of people are pretty happy that Trump was elected, and are encouraged by his positions and actions. So the nonsense that happiness is expected to trend downwards is...exaggeration at least.

    Note: I'm not a Trump or Hillary supporter. Can't stand any politician, although I will say Trump has been more amusing than I could ever envision Hillary being. The literal crying from Hillary's camp on election night was particularly hilarious.

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    1. Re:Something stinks by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Friend, we don't have time for an 'amusing' Leader of the Free World; not anymore. It's not Amateur Night on Planet Earth anymore, things have gotten terribly, horribly real, and we really, really needed someone responsible, experienced, respectable, and capable of making thoughtful, insightful decisions on big and little issues alike. Sadly, we were not offered any such Candidate, not from any political party. So now we're stuck with this disgusting clown who is taking a chainsaw to just about everything. I'm not laughing. Neither are a lot of people who voted for the sonofabitch, either, and neither are a whole bunch of the GOP. Oh and by the way if you didn't figure it out, I am also not a Hillary or Trump supporter.

      Oh and by the way I'd like to point out that Angela Merkel was called 'Leader of the Free World' by the press last week; that's about the worst black-eye the U.S. could possibly get so far as I'm concerned; the destruction of the credibility of the U.S. is now more or less complete. We're right down there, now, in the muck with so many African and South American countries, that seem to have a regime change every other week. It'll likely take many decades for us to fix our reputation, if it's even possible to do anymore.

    2. Re:Something stinks by grasshoppa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      . We're right down there, now, in the muck with so many African and South American countries, that seem to have a regime change every other week.
      Were that true, then Trump would have been disposed by now. So saying crap like this undermines your point.

      Regardless, I can take this as the joke it is because in the 20+ years I've been voting I have never had a candidate worth voting for. They've all been horrible. Yet every damn election cycle we pretend they're some holy figure come to save us, only to say the same thing about the next guy, all without breaking a smile. You can either rage against the idiocy of the voting public, maybe cry a little bit, or you can enjoy the show for what it is. Me, I tried the first couple options for a while, but found it's far more enjoyable to be "in" on the joke.

      Here's the thing though; the world isn't ending, and it's never bad as it appears. We'll survive Trump, and the moron after him, and the moron after that. Maybe we'll be a bit wiser for it too.

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    3. Re:Something stinks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Get over yourself.
      The only reason anyone ever called America the leader of the free world was ironically to point out how over inflated the american ego is.
      The fact that you took this seriously just goes to show how delusional you really are.
      Any credibility the US had was destroyed by bush and nobel peace prize bomber Barack Sadam Hussein Osama bin Laden Obama.

    4. Re:Something stinks by meta-monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All that tells you is what the people polled think, not what the rest of the nation thinks.

      Yes, and the people polled were the politically active conservatives. Your claim was that people who voted for Trump are now regretting their decision. No they're not. They're very happy with what Trump is doing.

      They wanted illegal Mexican rapists deported. Illegal Mexican rapists are being deported. They're very happy.

      They wanted TPP killed. TPP is killed. They're very happy.

      They wanted conservative Supreme Court justices. Gorsuch got something like a 94% approval rate at CPAC. They're very happy.

      They want the Federal bureaucracy gutted. Bannon said at CPAC they're "dismantling the administrative state." The new budget outline shows executive departments slashed. They're very happy.

      I could go on and on. You don't like Trump so you want to pretend everyone else doesn't like Trump, even people who voted for him. Wrong.

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  3. NO WAY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A culturally homogenized society is happier than a very diverse one where conflicts is bound to happen! NO WAY!

    In other news water is wet...

  4. Re:TLDR: UN says more whites = happiness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is well known homogeneous cultures, with as little income disparity as possible, report highest levels of contentedness.

    The "most diversity makes things best" line of reasoning is never based in reality. Of course - the people screaming at the rest of the country for more diversity - Seattle and Portland - are some of the least diverse cities in the nation.

  5. Hooray! MAGA by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Happiness in the US is declining and is expected to continue on a downward path, with Donald Trump's policies forecast to deepen the country's social crisis.

    Make America Grim Again - or something like that...

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  6. Inflammatory headline by Solandri · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you read the actual report (figure 2.3, Changes in happiness from 2005-2007 to 2014-2016), you see that pretty much every first world nation except Germany and South Korea, and Norway and Switzerland (barely - within the confidence interval) have gone down in happiness, not just the U.S. The U.S. isn't even the first world nation with the biggest drop (Italy is, with Spain close behind).

    A more fitting headline would've been "Happiness is on the wane in developed nations. Which might actually help explain the rise of nationalism in recent elections.

    1. Re:Inflammatory headline by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A more fitting headline would've been "Happiness is on the wane in developed nations. Which might actually help explain the rise of nationalism in recent elections.

      No, you're messing up the narrative! Here's how to spin this: Trump is causing a drop in happiness across the world, especially among Italians and Spaniards, who had such high hopes for Hillary Clinton. Just stick to the narrative, or people might start thinking for themselves.

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  7. Re:TLDR: UN says more whites = happiness? by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    way to increase happiness in your country is to make it whiter and less diverse, then?

    Or, maybe they just found a nice balance between capitalism and socialism, unlike the rest of the world.

    Here in the USA, we are taught to "work hard and play hard", which is a recipe for getting worn out both physically and mentally. We have to keep up with the Jones' both at work and at home.

    The "work hard and play hard" mantra could be said to be from the "protestant work ethic", or could be from plutocrat propaganda, being that working hard and playing hard gets the plutocrats the most profits: employees that work their asses off, then get home and spend their asses off on the plutocrats' hyped products and fashions.

  8. What exactly? by ishmaelflood · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "It's not Amateur Night on Planet Earth anymore, things have gotten terribly, horribly real,"

    Poor people are living longer, earning more, eating more, all over the world. There are fewer large wars.Sure there's a few existential problems around, but you are living in a very successful century so far as homo sapiens is concerned.

  9. Culture War Rages [Re:Something stinks] by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your candidate didn't win and it's upsetting to you...the behavior of Hillary supporters ( and, let's face it, Hillary herself ) soured her support outside of her base.

    Rather than argue about which side is the most evil/bad/mean/incompetent, let's agree the culture war in the USA is intensifying, which is a big source of tension in the USA for both sides. Remember, Texas talked of secession after Obama's election win.

    Progressives want bigger gov't-backed safety nets and education opportunities, and conservatives believe that the private sector will make everyone's boat float higher if the gov't gets out of the way such that they don't need a safety net. (And there's also climate change, abortion, pollution, etc. etc.)

    I believe heavy-trickle-down is kaflooey* in modern times, but realize I'm not going to change conservative minds on that such that both sides are stuck at an impasse, thinking the other side is getting in the way.

    Perhaps it's time to split the USA rather than waste resources and anger on gridlock and seesaw politics.

    * The benefits of increased economic activity from lower taxes and deregulation almost always have flowed UPward since about 1980, not outward. Automation, offshoring, and the death of unions changed things toward the 1% compared to pre-1980. Trickle down ain't work anymore; the TD model is broken and leaking oil.

  10. Re:Oh no that sucks! by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's NO evidence they commit more crimes than the average population, and even less by some estimates. Most come here to work; they can commit crimes in their home country better because they know the language, if crime were their goal.

    The crime angle on that is a Fake Problem. Bad Trump.

  11. Re:Oh no that sucks! by Mikkeles · · Score: 1, Insightful

    A federal government can't make you happy, but they're certainly able to make you unhappy.

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  12. Re:Oh no that sucks! by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, average population, period.

    If T wanted to reduce crime in general, which should be the logical goal, he should ask, what's the best way to reduce crime per federal dollars spent? I've seen no evidence that spending more fed dollars on JUST illegal immigrants is more effective than spending on it on general law enforcement, such as more FBI staff, systems, and/or more cops.

    He's just obsessed with "outsiders" as a personality quirk. It's not based on any sound crime-solving monetary/resource allocation logic or model. I don't think he'd have the patience to review any such study or model with a critical eye. By all appearances, it's his gut tribalism instinct driving his decision process, not math, models, and logic. You are welcome to demonstrate he has given crime-fighting resource allocation some real thought...

  13. Re:It's a good sign. Shows he's working for the US by PoopJuggler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    he's actually putting the interests of the USA before those of foreign nations

    Sure, if our interests are cutting education funding, cutting the EPA, cutting elderly food programs, cutting women's rights, cutting healthcare, and increasing racism and military spending. Nothing will make America great again like a generation of stupid kids, sick and hungry people, and weapons.

  14. Re:Oh no that sucks! by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1, Insightful

    There's NO evidence they commit more crimes than the average population, and even less by some estimates. Most come here to work; they can commit crimes in their home country better because they know the language, if crime were their goal.

    The crime angle on that is a Fake Problem. Bad Trump.

    Actually by definition anyone who is here illegally is a criminal. But ignoring that there is still a *huge* amount of imported crime. The usual lie is to group all immigrants together when looking at crime since the legal ones generally do commit fewer crimes. The legal ones pull down the average. The MS13 gang, ~70k strong in the US, is largely a product of illegal immigration. But keep preaching that they are all here to helpfully mow your lawn and have no downsides.

    Immigration can be a net win (ie educated law abiding types) or a net loss (low skilled or illegal) depending on how you play the game. But lying about how many deaths illegals cause by drunk driving (shockingly high numbers) and crime in general won't help that discussion.