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Happiness is on the Wane in the US, UN Global Report Finds (theguardian.com)

From a report on The Guardian, shared by five anonymous readers: Happiness in the US is declining and is expected to continue on a downward path, with Donald Trump's policies forecast to deepen the country's social crisis. The US has slipped to 15th place in the World Happiness Report 2017, produced by the United Nations. The world's economic superpower is well behind top-ranked Norway, although it remains above Germany in 17th place, the UK in 19th, and France in 32nd. Norway knocked Denmark off the top spot as the world's happiest country, with Iceland and Switzerland rounding out the top four. The report's authors stress, however, that the top four are so close that changes are not statistically significant. The next tier of countries are regular leaders in international happiness surveys: Finland is in fifth place, followed by the Netherlands, Canada, New Zealand, Australia and Sweden. The world's "unhappiest" countries are all in the Middle East and Africa: war-stricken Yemen and Syria feature in the bottom 10, with Tanzania, Burundi and Central African Republic making up the final three.

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  1. Sounds about right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd expect this trend to continue for at least the next 4 to 8 years, depending on how the 2020 elections go. Perhaps even longer than 8 years, depending on how much damage is done to the average citizens' lives due to selfish and thoughtless policy decisions and legislation.

    1. Re:Sounds about right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Funny. I don't recall the entire civilized world protesting President Obama, like they are with Donald.

  2. Something stinks by grasshoppa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Happiness in the US is declining and is expected to continue on a downward path, with Donald Trump's policies forecast to deepen the country's social crisis

    This line should tell you everything you need to know about the related article.

    Look, I get it. Your candidate didn't win and it's upsetting to you. However, throwing little hissy fits every chance you get only serves to reinforce WHY folks had the temerity to vote for trump; the behavior of Hillary supporters ( and, let's face it, Hillary herself ) soured her support outside of her base.

    Obviously a lot of people are pretty happy that Trump was elected, and are encouraged by his positions and actions. So the nonsense that happiness is expected to trend downwards is...exaggeration at least.

    Note: I'm not a Trump or Hillary supporter. Can't stand any politician, although I will say Trump has been more amusing than I could ever envision Hillary being. The literal crying from Hillary's camp on election night was particularly hilarious.

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    1. Re:Something stinks by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Friend, we don't have time for an 'amusing' Leader of the Free World; not anymore. It's not Amateur Night on Planet Earth anymore, things have gotten terribly, horribly real, and we really, really needed someone responsible, experienced, respectable, and capable of making thoughtful, insightful decisions on big and little issues alike. Sadly, we were not offered any such Candidate, not from any political party. So now we're stuck with this disgusting clown who is taking a chainsaw to just about everything. I'm not laughing. Neither are a lot of people who voted for the sonofabitch, either, and neither are a whole bunch of the GOP. Oh and by the way if you didn't figure it out, I am also not a Hillary or Trump supporter.

      Oh and by the way I'd like to point out that Angela Merkel was called 'Leader of the Free World' by the press last week; that's about the worst black-eye the U.S. could possibly get so far as I'm concerned; the destruction of the credibility of the U.S. is now more or less complete. We're right down there, now, in the muck with so many African and South American countries, that seem to have a regime change every other week. It'll likely take many decades for us to fix our reputation, if it's even possible to do anymore.

    2. Re:Something stinks by grasshoppa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      . We're right down there, now, in the muck with so many African and South American countries, that seem to have a regime change every other week.
      Were that true, then Trump would have been disposed by now. So saying crap like this undermines your point.

      Regardless, I can take this as the joke it is because in the 20+ years I've been voting I have never had a candidate worth voting for. They've all been horrible. Yet every damn election cycle we pretend they're some holy figure come to save us, only to say the same thing about the next guy, all without breaking a smile. You can either rage against the idiocy of the voting public, maybe cry a little bit, or you can enjoy the show for what it is. Me, I tried the first couple options for a while, but found it's far more enjoyable to be "in" on the joke.

      Here's the thing though; the world isn't ending, and it's never bad as it appears. We'll survive Trump, and the moron after him, and the moron after that. Maybe we'll be a bit wiser for it too.

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    3. Re:Something stinks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Get over yourself.
      The only reason anyone ever called America the leader of the free world was ironically to point out how over inflated the american ego is.
      The fact that you took this seriously just goes to show how delusional you really are.
      Any credibility the US had was destroyed by bush and nobel peace prize bomber Barack Sadam Hussein Osama bin Laden Obama.

    4. Re:Something stinks by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Funny

      having been to germany in 08 and most recently last year, i can say that the country is not as great as it used to be

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    5. Re:Something stinks by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I didn't see in TFA any mention of *who* and how has forecast that Donald Trump's policies will deepen the country's social crisis. But I've noticed the sources The Guardian quoted in the past were those who forecast Hillary's victory and people like the Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman whose forecast was "if Trump wins the market will crash and will *never* recover".

    6. Re:Something stinks by meta-monkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

      All that tells you is what the people polled think, not what the rest of the nation thinks.

      Yes, and the people polled were the politically active conservatives. Your claim was that people who voted for Trump are now regretting their decision. No they're not. They're very happy with what Trump is doing.

      They wanted illegal Mexican rapists deported. Illegal Mexican rapists are being deported. They're very happy.

      They wanted TPP killed. TPP is killed. They're very happy.

      They wanted conservative Supreme Court justices. Gorsuch got something like a 94% approval rate at CPAC. They're very happy.

      They want the Federal bureaucracy gutted. Bannon said at CPAC they're "dismantling the administrative state." The new budget outline shows executive departments slashed. They're very happy.

      I could go on and on. You don't like Trump so you want to pretend everyone else doesn't like Trump, even people who voted for him. Wrong.

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  3. Meh... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a moderate conservative, I was happy with Obama and would've been happy with Hillary. None of the 16 Republican candidates in 2016 made me happy, which was why I switched my political registration to Democratic in late 2015. Now we're stuck with sore loser Donald Trump, who is neither a conservative nor Republican, and, until a few short years ago, was a Clinton Democrat. Sad!

    1. Re:Meh... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Translation: you're a fence sitter who doesn't care much as long as it doesn't impact you.

      Nope. I voted in every election since 1988 when I came of age.

    2. Re:Meh... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Irrelevant self-aggrandizement. You must be a narcissist. This explains so much.

      According to Mayo Clinic: "Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultraconfidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism."

      http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/basics/definition/CON-20025568

      Uh, no. You're confusing me with Trump.

    3. Re:Meh... by misexistentialist · · Score: 2

      As a Maoist conservative, if there isn't a candidate conservative enough, you vote liberal socialist. Not very interesting

    4. Re:Meh... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Just stop with "I am really, really was a conservative that voted Clinton".

      That's what I did after being a Republican for 20 years.

      No one believes you were a conservative ever.

      Both Obama and Hillary are right of center if you examined their policies closely (i.e., co-opting the Republican like Bill Clinton did with welfare). It's one of the reasons why Bernie Sanders came out of the woodwork, why the progressives wanted someone more liberal than Hillary, and why the Russians interfered with the elections to get Trump elected.

    5. Re:Meh... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Well, he is the president of the US, so he's kinda sorta important.

      Being POTUS haven't stopped Trump from being Trump by sabotaging his own agenda with baseless accusations to sooth his insecure ego.

  4. NO WAY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A culturally homogenized society is happier than a very diverse one where conflicts is bound to happen! NO WAY!

    In other news water is wet...

    1. Re:NO WAY! by afgam28 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Is that really true though? The report has an entire chapter on "The Key Determinants of Happiness and Misery", and the authors don't seem to think that multiculturalism is something that makes people sad. Why do you think that?

      Japan and South Korea are probably the most culturally-homogeneous and highly-developed nations around. They sit at 51st and 56th place, respectively. Meanwhile Switzerland speaks four different languages and are the 4th happiest in the world. Canada, Australia and New Zealand, all of which are just as multicultural as the USA, are in the top 10.

      I'd argue that Japan and South Korea's unhappiness comes because of, and not in spite of, their strict cultural homogeneity.

    2. Re:NO WAY! by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      To be fair in Australia it is a happy day when you get to work in the morning without being killed by some dangerous animal, angry weather, or the sun itself along the way.

  5. Re:TLDR: UN says more whites = happiness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is well known homogeneous cultures, with as little income disparity as possible, report highest levels of contentedness.

    The "most diversity makes things best" line of reasoning is never based in reality. Of course - the people screaming at the rest of the country for more diversity - Seattle and Portland - are some of the least diverse cities in the nation.

  6. I was happy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    until I discovered how unhappy I should be.

  7. But...but... by RyanFenton · · Score: 2

    But, we chose the entertaining choice! How could we not be entertained? Trump is the only person I can think of that would be more absurd as a president than William Shatner when in-character.

    I think the problem might be the same with someone trying to make a sequel of the 1950's, without understanding it, and trying to fix that by just going completely over the top in terms of ambition, trying to make up for a completely broken budget process. It's entertaining in a sense - but sort of a sad entertainment.

    The folks that supported trump did seem to do it out of a sense of ironic satisfaction rather than actually something they wanted.

    Turns out though, it's not a sequel to the 1950's, it's actually a sequel to the Robber Barons, it just couldn't be marketed that way, because that's only ever been popular with a small audience.

    Ryan Fenton

  8. Inflammatory headline by Solandri · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you read the actual report (figure 2.3, Changes in happiness from 2005-2007 to 2014-2016), you see that pretty much every first world nation except Germany and South Korea, and Norway and Switzerland (barely - within the confidence interval) have gone down in happiness, not just the U.S. The U.S. isn't even the first world nation with the biggest drop (Italy is, with Spain close behind).

    A more fitting headline would've been "Happiness is on the wane in developed nations. Which might actually help explain the rise of nationalism in recent elections.

    1. Re:Inflammatory headline by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A more fitting headline would've been "Happiness is on the wane in developed nations. Which might actually help explain the rise of nationalism in recent elections.

      No, you're messing up the narrative! Here's how to spin this: Trump is causing a drop in happiness across the world, especially among Italians and Spaniards, who had such high hopes for Hillary Clinton. Just stick to the narrative, or people might start thinking for themselves.

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    2. Re:Inflammatory headline by Baron_Yam · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Trump isn't the cause, he's a symptom. People feel threatened, they get tribal and mean... and they tend to do stupid things that make the problems causing them to feel threatened get worse.

      Trump was elected over economic fear. Fear of the 1% (whose frankly ludicrous levels of wealth get thrown in our face by the media daily... and those aren't even the richest tier of people), fear of foreigners stealing our jobs.

      So... vote in Trump to keep out the foreigners and stop the 1%ers in Washington. Which damages the economy and it turns out the kind of guy you vote in to the top position actually wants to line his own pockets and those of his (significant) supporters... the 1%.

      It's a global problem because the same socioeconomic forces are driving the same mob reactions around the world.

  9. Trump may not make Americans happy by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 5, Funny

    but he makes me really, really happy to be Canadian!

    1. Re:Trump may not make Americans happy by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

      One of the reasons Canadians tend to be happy, is they don't read the comments.

      Try it, it works.

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  10. Re:TLDR: UN says more whites = happiness? by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    way to increase happiness in your country is to make it whiter and less diverse, then?

    Or, maybe they just found a nice balance between capitalism and socialism, unlike the rest of the world.

    Here in the USA, we are taught to "work hard and play hard", which is a recipe for getting worn out both physically and mentally. We have to keep up with the Jones' both at work and at home.

    The "work hard and play hard" mantra could be said to be from the "protestant work ethic", or could be from plutocrat propaganda, being that working hard and playing hard gets the plutocrats the most profits: employees that work their asses off, then get home and spend their asses off on the plutocrats' hyped products and fashions.

  11. What exactly? by ishmaelflood · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "It's not Amateur Night on Planet Earth anymore, things have gotten terribly, horribly real,"

    Poor people are living longer, earning more, eating more, all over the world. There are fewer large wars.Sure there's a few existential problems around, but you are living in a very successful century so far as homo sapiens is concerned.

    1. Re:What exactly? by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      A lot of people just call it 'globalism' now.

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    2. Re:What exactly? by jeff4747 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Poor people are living longer, earning more, eating more, all over the world

      Not in the United States.

      Life expectancy in the US is declining. https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      Also, real income went down in the 2008 recession, and have not recovered for anyone not in the top 2% of incomes.

      Also, food insecurity is up by quite a bit among the poor.

  12. Re:On the wane since 2007?? by Nutria · · Score: 2

    It's been free falling since 2007.

    No comment on who was the American President for 89% of that time...

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  13. Re:Oh no that sucks! by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Funny

    Dude, you're on an aging, mostly white discussion board devoted to technology: If you want to troll slashdotters, say something about how it's important to cut research funding.

    "I'll be so sad when they cut funding for useless nuclear fusion research, LOL, we don't need another chernobyl. We should spend the money on copyright protection instead, crack down on linux ripping off windows!"

  14. Re:TLDR: UN says more whites = happiness? by mark-t · · Score: 2

    Dunno about that.... Canada has *roughly* the same amount of cultural diversity as the USA, and is consistently placed near the top of these kinds of lists.

  15. Culture War Rages [Re:Something stinks] by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your candidate didn't win and it's upsetting to you...the behavior of Hillary supporters ( and, let's face it, Hillary herself ) soured her support outside of her base.

    Rather than argue about which side is the most evil/bad/mean/incompetent, let's agree the culture war in the USA is intensifying, which is a big source of tension in the USA for both sides. Remember, Texas talked of secession after Obama's election win.

    Progressives want bigger gov't-backed safety nets and education opportunities, and conservatives believe that the private sector will make everyone's boat float higher if the gov't gets out of the way such that they don't need a safety net. (And there's also climate change, abortion, pollution, etc. etc.)

    I believe heavy-trickle-down is kaflooey* in modern times, but realize I'm not going to change conservative minds on that such that both sides are stuck at an impasse, thinking the other side is getting in the way.

    Perhaps it's time to split the USA rather than waste resources and anger on gridlock and seesaw politics.

    * The benefits of increased economic activity from lower taxes and deregulation almost always have flowed UPward since about 1980, not outward. Automation, offshoring, and the death of unions changed things toward the 1% compared to pre-1980. Trickle down ain't work anymore; the TD model is broken and leaking oil.

  16. Re:Oh no that sucks! by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's NO evidence they commit more crimes than the average population, and even less by some estimates. Most come here to work; they can commit crimes in their home country better because they know the language, if crime were their goal.

    The crime angle on that is a Fake Problem. Bad Trump.

  17. Re:TLDR: UN says more whites = happiness? by Knuckles · · Score: 2

    So...the UN is telling us that the way to increase happiness in your country is to make it whiter and less diverse, then? Was the lead author a guy named Adolf, perhaps?

    Actually, ethnic diversity has increased considerably in Norway in recent years.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  18. Re:TLDR: UN says more whites = happiness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Please visit Geneva. Because of the concentration of international organisations, it's one of the most diverse place in the World.
    There is close to 1/3 of foreign living or cross-border working in Switzerland.
    Switzerland certainly enjoy a stable political system in the World since 1848, and this is the most important point to me. The process of getting a new president is done every year in less than one hour without any glitch. Compare that to almost all others "democratic" counties, especially this time...

  19. Re:Oh no that sucks! by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, average population, period.

    If T wanted to reduce crime in general, which should be the logical goal, he should ask, what's the best way to reduce crime per federal dollars spent? I've seen no evidence that spending more fed dollars on JUST illegal immigrants is more effective than spending on it on general law enforcement, such as more FBI staff, systems, and/or more cops.

    He's just obsessed with "outsiders" as a personality quirk. It's not based on any sound crime-solving monetary/resource allocation logic or model. I don't think he'd have the patience to review any such study or model with a critical eye. By all appearances, it's his gut tribalism instinct driving his decision process, not math, models, and logic. You are welcome to demonstrate he has given crime-fighting resource allocation some real thought...

  20. He's proposing massive tax cuts for the rich by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    and a huge cut in public services for everybody else. This isn't rocket science. Elections have consequences. 22 million will lose health care under Trump (getting a paltry $3000 tax credit in it's place). There are massive cuts to science programs coming. The EPA is getting slashed. Water will be less clean, and in poorer cities contaminated with lead. Air will be dirtier. Kids will get asthma. These things will happen. It's got nothing to do with Red/Blue. It's just what happens when you deregulate. Those regulations weren't made to spoil anyone's fun. They were made to solve problems.

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    1. Re:He's proposing massive tax cuts for the rich by Ogive17 · · Score: 2

      A tax credit that most people who will lose their health care won't qualify for anyway.

      Politicians continue to ignore the root cause and that is sky rocketing health care costs.

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  21. Re:It's a good sign. Shows he's working for the US by PoopJuggler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    he's actually putting the interests of the USA before those of foreign nations

    Sure, if our interests are cutting education funding, cutting the EPA, cutting elderly food programs, cutting women's rights, cutting healthcare, and increasing racism and military spending. Nothing will make America great again like a generation of stupid kids, sick and hungry people, and weapons.

  22. Re:TLDR: UN says more whites = happiness? by Kjella · · Score: 4, Informative

    Or, maybe they just found a nice balance between capitalism and socialism, unlike the rest of the world.

    For very socialist values of balance, at least here in Norway. According to the world bank we have third lowest Gini coefficient in the world, meaning our income is extremely evenly distributed by international standards. There is not a lot of really poor nor very wealthy people, with notable exceptions of course but looking at income stats if you divide into 10% slices the 80-90% slice make just under twice as much as the 10-20%. The best paid executives in Statoil, our huge mostly state owned company the CEO makes about $1.7 million a year. If you go to a similar foreign oil giant like say Schlumberger the CEO makes $18.6 million a year. Working at McD you earn ~$15/hour the first four months if you're 18-20, after that or from day one if you're older ~$18.50/hour. And you don't need health insurance or a 401(k) on top of that, the public healthcare system and public pensions are entirely adequate. Granted you can't directly compare prices, but you live okay on one "minimum wage" job. So at McD you make $35k/year and your average doctor makes $95k/year, the tax system makes the difference even less in practice. But we want it. And a very high percent of the population works, that helps. It's still an odd country.

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  23. Re:Oh no that sucks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's completely and utter non-sense. The U.S. Federal Government's primary reason to exist is to enable the pursuit of happiness. They help build roads which allow you to move from place to place, they create law enforcement frameworks so you have consistency across the union.

    In more recent history they cleaned up the rivers and lakes that were so polluted they would catch on f'in fire. This hate of government bs is what got us where we are with our current President. It is stupid, government can does certain things well, there are certainly things it should not do as well. That is why we have a legislature and a Supreme court and even a President.

    I hate this I got mine so screw everybody else crap. We are by far the richest country in the world and yet we are gonna make our children go hungry because we somehow can't afford to feed them? We are gonna kick millions off healthcare and discourage younger people from obtaining insurance and penalizing them if they get the balls to get try and get it so we are gonna kill more and more hospitals as uninsured people show up again.

  24. Re:TLDR: UN says more whites = happiness? by hey! · · Score: 2

    Well, you can prove anything if you get to make up the categories, but seriously, lumping Europe with Asia? 60% of the world's population lives in Asia, and 15% of the world's population lives in Europe. So it's hardly amazing that if one of your categories comprises 75% of the people on the Earth that there there doesn't appear to be a lot of diversity. Your friends could include a Pakistani, Tibetan, Uygher, Eskimo, Finn, Scot, Basque and Serb and they wouldn't be a "diverse" group.

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  25. Re:TLDR: UN says more whites = happiness? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    Your argument relies on an arbitrary selection of the criteria, namely the top 10. If you expand it to the top 20, all countries which are not far behind the leaders, there are several quite diverse countries including the US and UK.

    Pretty much all anti-immigration/white supremacy arguments are just this kind of abuse of statistics.

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  26. Re:It's a good sign. Shows he's working for the US by rtb61 · · Score: 2

    Those who value greed more than happiness, will be unhappy. Sad but true and note they will make all those around them unhappy too, that greed attacks the happiness of others.

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  27. Re:Oh no that sucks! by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

    Ahah! So it's not really about crime itself, but a political power battle to you. Your true colors are shining through.

    And I'm saying this is why the Dems are so recalcitrant about stopping any flow of 3rd worlders into the US. Because they vote Democrat. Imagine if there were a magic portal from Fundieland, where productive safe white fundamentalist Christians were being persecuted and killed by evil atheists. So if we started taking Fundieland refugees and shoveling them by the millions into California, changing the voting demographics there to Republican, I guarantee all of this "refugees welcome" crap would turn around really fucking fast.

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  28. Re:Oh no that sucks! by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    You still changed the subject away from crime itself.

    Both parties have been laxidasical on the issue, but for different reasons. I will agree a good many Democrats view them as a future source of votes, but as I mentioned nearby, businesses also see them as cheap abusable labor, and lobby GOP to look the other way. GOP only gives the issue lip service, and STILL does in terms of business inspections. When W had both houses, GOP stonewalled on reform and did nothing. Democrats also proposed a bill to increase border guards, but GOP invented silly excuses, including budget reduction, to turn it down and showed no interest in renegotiating a revised bill.