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IBM, Remote-Work Pioneer, is Calling Thousands Of Employees Back To the Office (qz.com)

An anonymous reader shares a report: Less than a year into her tenure as IBM's chief marketing officer, Michelle Peluso prepared to make an announcement that she knew would excite some of her 5,500 new employees, but also, inevitably, inspire resignation notices from others. In a video message, Peluso explained the "only one recipe I know for success." Its ingredients included great people, the right tools, a mission, analysis of results, and one more thing: "really creative and inspiring locations." IBM had decided to "co-locate" the US marketing department, about 2,600 people, which meant that all teams would now work together, "shoulder to shoulder," from one of six different locations -- Atlanta, Raleigh, Austin, Boston, San Francisco, and New York. Employees who worked primarily from home would be required to commute, and employees who worked remotely or from an office that was not on the list (or an office that was on the list, but different than the one to which their teams had been assigned) would be required to either move or look for another job. Similar announcements had already been made in other departments, and more would be made in the future. At IBM, which has embraced remote work for decades, a relatively large proportion of employees work outside of central hubs. (By 2009, when remote work was still, for most, a novelty, 40% of IBM's 386,000 global employees already worked at home). [...] "When you're playing phone tag with someone is quite different than when you're sitting next to someone and can pop up behind them and ask them a question," Peluso says. Not all IBM employees see it that way.

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  1. Stealth Layoff by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe they just figured out how to get rid of a bunch of employees without having to pay severances or unemployment.

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    1. Re:Stealth Layoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is exactly how Reddit did it. Eliminate WFH employees, eliminate everyone that doesn't want to or can't physically relocate, and you've downsized while making it seem like it was the departing employees choice to leave.

    2. Re:Stealth Layoff by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is however really the most demented way to do it, because only those that are good at what they do (and hence have other prospects) will leave. The ones staying will include all that have no prospects. Do this several times and you may as well close down the department and re-start from scratch.

      Why again are the people that make such decisions so much money? Oh right, because they know how to give the appearance of knowing how to do their job.

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    3. Re:Stealth Layoff by Penguinisto · · Score: 3

      This, exactly this.

      I mean seriously... in the age of corporate IM and collaboration(e.g. Webex) applications, why the hell are they complaining about "phone tag"? Just require your employees to keep their damned IM app open if you're that worried about it. I mean, IBM isn't exactly running a commodities trading house, so it's not like they need split-second employee response times...
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      I say this for a couple of reasons:
      * Face-time. Politics(sadly) and team cohesion requires physically getting together periodically.
      * Meetings are best conducted together as a physical when possible, mostly because even video doesn't really help you gauge the room when speaking/listening/etc. This isn't true for all meetings, but for most of them, it holds true.

      Conversely, working from home allows you to concentrate with a minimum of interruption. Yeah, IMs are the suck, but at least allow you to finish up whatever little thought/task you had going before you answer it.

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    4. Re:Stealth Layoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe they just figured out how to get rid of a bunch of employees without having to pay severances or unemployment.

      Exactly.

      Everyone has their phone in their pocket. As someone who tele-works to a job across the country, if Michelle Peluso feels like she's "playing phone tag" with people, it's because they don't want to talk to her.

    5. Re:Stealth Layoff by rickb928 · · Score: 2

      I work from home one day a week. And I miss having team mates handy to discuss something quick, or refresh my memory on an issue, or jsut to hear what they are doing and realize we have a site wide issue ballooning.

      Working from home all the time would diminish our effectiveness. I'm not really happy being isolated that one day, but we adapt for that. To rely on 'instant' chat would be annoying - Skype for Business is annoying by itself, offering to make calls when all I wanted was the phone number off the contact page, please stop trying to help me, ok? OK?

      While this may be a ploy to do a RIF without being spotted, around here the open plan cubeless floor layout was sold initially as a collaborative enhancement, then to permit teams to be flexibly located, and finally, the truth - save space when average vacancies were 20-30% every day but Friday when it was 80%. An instant reduction in required real estate of 20-30% solved a few problems. Going to Agile development also aided this, but that doesn't lend itself to WAH, just closer teams and collaborative, face to face (aka noisy) work environments.

      IBM might be doing either or both; RIF by relocating, or getting face to face back in the business. I'm frankly surprised that creative teams can function better apart than together, but that just means I define 'creative' differently than they do.

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    6. Re:Stealth Layoff by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm guessing if you "telecommute" or work from home in India....you are immune to this new rule and you will continue to be allowed to do so....

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    7. Re:Stealth Layoff by El+Rey · · Score: 2

      It's way better. If I am in a meeting and get an IM and can respond now I will. If I get a voice mail or call, it's too disruptive and I won't.

      Also there is an underlying false premise that when in the office people don't:

      ever leave their desk
      ever have meetings with people who aren't you and can't be found
      ever use the bathroom
      ever go to the kitchen to get coffee
      ever go talk to their friend on another floor
      etc.

      The idea that people in an office are always at their desks and available is BS. I have IM on my phone. If I'm at home and get IM I will respond. If I'm in the office and get an IM I will respond. If I don't respond, I'm either talking to someone more important than you or taking a dump so back off already...

    8. Re:Stealth Layoff by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This, exactly. They are trying to cheat their employees out of unemployment benefits, and if I were telecommuting and unable to relocate, I would refuse to accept the terms and I would not hand in my resignation either. I would make them fire me and let their HR department know that I expected unemployment and a severance package as if I were laid off. If they try to withhold unemployment benefits, I would get a lawyer and start a class action for unemployment benefits, legal fees and punitive damages for bad faith and contact my state AG to start an investigation.

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    9. Re:Stealth Layoff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except with Reddit it was plainly obvious that it wasn't the employees' choice. No one in their right mind is going to pack up their life and trade in their current arrangements to go live in a $5,000/month closet in SF. Not anyone with a family or any kind of balanced lifestyle, anyway. So you can't attract the best or the brightest, instead you get people who are stuck in SF after being laid off from some other company and are desperate for work. No offense to people working at Reddit.

    10. Re:Stealth Layoff by alexgieg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is exactly how Reddit did it.

      And Intel. The husband of a friend of mine (and his family with him) were forcibly moved several States over so as to keep his job when they closed several offices all around the US, causing them to sell their former home for a fraction of it's value and purchase a new one, smaller, and for an inflated price due to the huge influx of people there stressing the local house market.

      The alternative offered? To "quit" his job and lose severance and other benefits.

      Why he (and them) complied? Because he's near retirement age and doing anything else would be end-of-life economic suicide.

      As for all the former employees who "quit", that certainly looked amazing on the responsible executives' resume. Not to mention the bonuses due to all the cost savings etc.

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    11. Re:Stealth Layoff by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      If their marketing department (the affected employees) has been outsourced to India then IBM has bigger problems than paying a few severance packages.

    12. Re:Stealth Layoff by dgatwood · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's seems backwards to me. People who are near retirement would probably be better off holding on to their home and retiring earlier than planned rather than taking what is potentially the loss of one or more years' income in a single hit.

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    13. Re:Stealth Layoff by Frobnicator · · Score: 2

      The alternative offered? To "quit" his job and lose severance and other benefits. Why he (and them) complied? Because he's near retirement age and doing anything else would be end-of-life economic suicide.

      That's an involuntary termination, not quitting. When companies try it generally it is a legal quagmire. If it is even slightly questionable companies will generally offer a huge settlement package rather than risk a drawn-out lawsuit fighting in the courts; and since they're leaving the state the drawn-out lawsuit would be in a state they no longer are local to, further increasing cost.

      I'm curious, did you talk with a lawyer before accepting the deal?

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    14. Re:Stealth Layoff by alexgieg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When you're given about 5 months to move, *while* the economy is down, and cannot afford to wait more until it goes back up because you need the money right now to pay a premium for the new one in a place where you have to wait several months to get a contractor due to the huge influx of people (and pay more to those contractors than you would under normal conditions), things get way outside optimal. You're basically stepping from the 4th-sigma of the left tail of the Gaussian distribution directly to the 4th-sigma of the right tail. So, yeah, you lose money, the hope being you lose less than you would otherwise.

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    15. Re:Stealth Layoff by Kjella · · Score: 2

      I didn't know "bad faith" was something you could sue for damages over. You sound as if a company ever makes a business decision you don't like, they may very well be in legal jeopardy.

      I can't speak for US law, but at least here in Norway if the work content or location fundamentally changes it will be seen by the law as a termination and that you're being offered a new position, even if the title and salary is the same. Otherwise it would be too easy to force people to resign by bouncing them around the country like the ball in a pin ball machine and reassigning them to scrub the toilets.

      So if you refuse the offer it wouldn't be you quitting, you would be laid off with all the rights that gives you like if you have the right to severance pay. I got a similar offer when we were bought out by another company, the employment contract changed sufficiently that I could refuse to go and then they'd have to lay me off by the terms of the old contract instead. It only applies to major changes though, not minor changes in work or relocating to a new office in the same city.

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    16. Re:Stealth Layoff by dbIII · · Score: 2

      because only those that are good at what they do (and hence have other prospects) will leave

      That is not seen as a problem at the top of the tree where only managers are seen as having true value. A good manager can take anyone out of the gutter and turn them into a subject matter expert without the manager knowing anything about the subject - so the oft believed legend goes.
      So IMHO when you see such demented practices it's a bit of a symptom of such a situation.

    17. Re:Stealth Layoff by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 4, Informative

      Depends how you swing it. I've moved a few times in my career and each time I've retained my property in my previous location as a rental property. Even turning over management of those properties to property management companies still nets me a small net profit every month, and meanwhile someone else is paying my mortgages and I am building equity.

      Yes, I have occasional large expenses like the furnace going out in one of my properties last week... but because I put all of my net profit into a single account and retain for just these kinds of expenses I still know I'm making money on the entire portfolio.

      No, it's not enough that I can quit my job... but if I were to liquidate all of my properties tomorrow I'd have enough cash to live on for a couple of years and still maintain my current standard of living.

      A house can be an investment if you're creative.

    18. Re:Stealth Layoff by olau · · Score: 2

      Here in Denmark, Intel closed a division they bought some years ago because clearly the employees wouldn't mind moving to another country (they were to be relocated to somewhere in Germany I believe) and despite having almost completed a new lab facility.

      Only to find out that they didn't have anyone else who could develop the products they had already sold. So they ended up cancelling the closure AFTER having announced it to the public.

      Here's the announcement of closure:

      http://cphpost.dk/news/busines...

      These kind of decisions aren't rational. They happen because someone takes a look at a spreadsheet and thinks to him/herself - gosh, that looks complicated! Let's cross out half of the lines, then it's much simpler! It's a gross failure of an organization when stupid decisions from the top aren't blocked - well in this case it was, but a little late. They proved they weren't a reliable employer and did lose a bunch of people.

  2. The first to quit are the good ones by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Every reorganization, every revamp, every change means that some people will not like it. And those that don't like it have two options: Grin and bear it, or hand in a resignation note.

    Question for 100 points: Will good people, who are sought and have zero problem finding a new job, be in the first or in the latter group? And where will people who know that they have no chance of ever being hired again because they're lazy, dumb or both be?

    And now ponder what group you'll retain with your constant, idiot changes!

    For fuck's sake, when you take over a company, you needn't piss all over it to mark it as yours! It ain't a tree and you're not a dumb dog.

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    1. Re:The first to quit are the good ones by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      But the bad ones will not do that for exactly that reason: Who in their sane mind hires someone like that? They will cling to you until you purge them.

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    2. Re:The first to quit are the good ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Corporate America is, whether deliberately or not, cultivating a culture where loyalty is unheard of, no employee gives a damn about the success of the company, and no employee thinks twice about leaving after only a year.

      And that's exactly what Corporate America deserves: employees who simply don't care about anything but themselves. Ironically, "I'm loving it."

  3. Work/home balance by grasshoppa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's notable that some of the largest reversals of remote work in recent memory have been spearheaded by women.

    The irony is delicious.

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    1. Re:Work/home balance by grasshoppa · · Score: 3, Informative

      Aside from this story? I'm thinking specifically of Marissa Mayer.

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    2. Re:Work/home balance by BigIrv · · Score: 2

      Meg Whitman

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    3. Re:Work/home balance by ghoul · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "I sacrificed my family life to get where I am. Why does SHE get to work from home and pick up her kids?" Sounds familiar
      I work in consulting and a lot of my employees work as contractors. I meet with the client managers for feedback regularly and I get maximum complaints about our female employees taking days off or WFH to deal with school, sickness etc. Funny thing its mostly the female Client managers complaining not the males. Maybe the males expect women to be taking time off to deal with kid issues. But its wierd that its always women complaining about other women taking time off to deal with kids. I have even had one say "I dont take time off when my kid is sick . Why does your contractor take a half day to go watch a recital?"

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    4. Re:Work/home balance by fiver-hoo · · Score: 3

      Meg Whitman started enforcing a "everybody must go to an actual office" policy at HP/HPE several years ago.

    5. Re:Work/home balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's what stuck in my craw about Marissa. She gets rid of all remote employees, no one can be exempt, not even us working mothers! We all must pitch in for the good of the company and do our part, even us working mothers! Then she installs a fully staffed nursery for her own kid directly adjacent to her office. Oh yes, such a sacrifice you're making, Marissa, you poor working mother, who gets to have her kid at arm's reach all day every day at work.

      God damn selfish, hypocritical cunt! Someone should seize all her assets and redistribute them to every current and former mother working at Yahoo.

    6. Re:Work/home balance by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      This just reinforces my theory that "every group of people is its own worst enemy".

  4. This Worked So Well For Yahoo! by Feneric · · Score: 2

    Didn't Yahoo! do something similar shortly before tanking? It seems pretty short-sighted to make oneself less competitive at attracting technical workers in the U.S. at a time when many are predicting increased competition for U.S. technical workers.

    1. Re:This Worked So Well For Yahoo! by campuscodi · · Score: 2

      That's why she'll make $23 million after she resigns her CEO position at a company she just sold for a meager $4 billion, after being worth $90 billion. Great decision (among many). Bravo!

    2. Re:This Worked So Well For Yahoo! by ghoul · · Score: 2

      H1Bs will be happy to fill these roles. Anyway they are leaving their friends and families. New York, San Francisco, West Bumfuck, Alabama. Its all the same to them.

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  5. Re:They're going to lose a lot of good people. by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, Marissa Meyer did it - and, in the end, she got tens of millions of dollars.

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  6. Worked@IBM in 1980's, left, because sucked. by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFS:

    one more thing: "really creative and inspiring locations."

    Having worked for IBM back in the 1980's (in Boca Raton, FL), I can provide a datapoint: IBM labs (the MITRE Kanji printer labs, specifically) were incredibly uncomfortable, required long, annoying walks from the parking lot and between locations and buildings, and were run in an extremely uncreative manner. To describe the environment, I'd go with "windowless, cold, and cavelike." Truly a shitty place to work. Whereas working at home... okay, now that is a creative, inspiring location. Because like pretty much anyone who puts a home together, I designed it specifically to be that way to my specific interests and inclinations.

    Now... it's been a long time, and perhaps if they re-hired me, they'd amaze me with a comfortable office with a view, a nearby, well-stocked cafeteria, an in-office hutch for my dog, and a secretary to handle the reams of make-work reports. Or perhaps there are no more reports (cough... cough... sorry, can't even write that with a straight face.) I find this, or any reasonable equivalency to it... unlikely. But perhaps they are actually in a position to do this now.

    But then again, my experience there was so bad, I'd never respond to an IBM recruiter again, even if I was in the market for a job, which I am not.

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    1. Re:Worked@IBM in 1980's, left, because sucked. by Kobun · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I love that they are banking on people being able to interrupt others' trains of thought as a major benefit of this transition. Anything that helps them die faster.

    2. Re:Worked@IBM in 1980's, left, because sucked. by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, one of the key benefits of working at home is control of the environment, and that most assuredly includes who gets to interrupt, or not, and when.

      Working in company offices, I did some pretty good work. I tried hard, despite being very uncomfortable and unhappy. That was the job. But working at home, I did great work, became financially independent and most definitely happy. I loved (still do) my office and would (still do) burn huge numbers of hours in (t)here really Getting Shit Done. I also established myself in a very low cost-of-living location, doing high pay-in-employment work. Remotely. That's a really nice side effect of remote work, or at least it was for me. Hearing about real estate expenses in areas like Silicon Valley and various similar enclaves, I can only shake my head at the difference. I spent less in total (under $100k, all told) on nearly 6,000 sq feet of totally custom (and admittedly very eclectic) environment than most of the people in those areas spend on one bedroom apartments in less than 4 years ($2300/mo.) It really matters to your quality of life where you put your roots down.

      TBH, I think one of the most programmer-hostile things a company can do is say "you have to work where we are." The tech exists, and has for some time, to make that completely unnecessary. Even if "constantly interrupt and monitor" is part of the company's operations protocols, that too is 100% doable. Throw the employee a fast connection and a good desktop, a webcam and a mic... whatever you need to do to keep in touch, you can do. Should cost a metric fuckton less than providing them office space "at" the company, too. I have never, ever, heard a decent argument for the requirement that warm flesh be present in the room in order to get good work done, or out of any employee. Frankly, if the employee can't work like that and do good work, they sure as **** aren't doing great work for you in any bloody office.

      But, you know. I'm old, cranky, successful, independent, and can say these things with no fear my supervisor will see them. :)

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    3. Re:Worked@IBM in 1980's, left, because sucked. by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Interesting
      I know...the ability to "interrupt" is a horrible one.

      I've been working from home for a few years now, and I even turn off the damned IM products they have tried thrusting upon us...latest one, Lync.

      I can't get a damned thing done without someone trying to annoy me on lync, and it usually is NOT something that is a priority item.

      I will fire it up and join a meeting when needed, or desktop sharing is absolutely required, but for 99% of my time, I do not need it and it is detrimental to my work and concentration.

      Fortunately, I've been around long enough where no one really presses me on it like they do others...but I find email to be best way to work, it is asynchronous, and AND...I think it leaves a much better paper trail for CYA when needed at future times.

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    4. Re:Worked@IBM in 1980's, left, because sucked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can't speak for Austin. But Florida business parks are often widely-separated buildings in the midst of vast humid sweltering heat islands. And that's in February.

      Then you get inside the building and you'd think it was November in Minnesota. Because apparently being so cold that you spend all your time thinking about what office furniture to burn for hear makes you more "productive".

  7. Re:They're going to lose a lot of good people. by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, Marissa Meyer did it - and, in the end, she got tens of millions of dollars.

    ...and Yahoo! Went! Down! The! Shitter! Faster! ;)

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  8. Result:Loss of the lots of talent. On purpose? by evolutionary · · Score: 2

    I know of no better way to piss off the best talent than to say, you have to move to our preferred location to keep your job because, well no particularly great add, just because.....Probably IBM wants to lay off people but this will backfire. The best who don't want to move will simply say, "Bye" and get offer from a variety of companies, even IBM competitors (who are most likely to hire them in a heartbeat on whatever terms they want within reason, including telecommute). The benefits of working together in office over telecommute are less and less with improving video phones, chats and cheaper availability of cell phones, unless there are specific company secrets you don't want in cyberspace perhaps. The end result will be the best of IBM's staff being "Exceptions" or the best leaving, and the most insecure moving, only to be let go later because they were the bottom of the crop anyway. This will be a no win in a series of non-winning actions.

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    1. Re:Result:Loss of the lots of talent. On purpose? by Gavrielkay · · Score: 5, Informative

      When this edict was handed down in my IBM department I quit. Found a new telecommute position for more money, more freedom, better products and management that actually appreciates employees. IBM was once a great place to work, but that was a decade ago. Now I'm only ashamed I stayed as long as I did.

  9. Re:Much consternation about nothing? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    "First they came for the marketing parasites, but I did not speak out for I was not a marketing parasite..."

    That's so cool! The marketing people are usually the last ones to get fired when a company is in a death spiral.

  10. Because "One-Size-Fits-None" by xanthos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    *sigh* Will MBA schools please start teaching all the C-level wanna be's that while treating all your employees the same is the easy route to follow it is rarely the best route. Sacrificing known productivity increases from remote work for some mystical hoped for innovations seems to be a bad bet. I can actually see it making sense for the highly creative individuals doing marketing campaigns, but I can't see it being of much use to those whose job is to track and squash code bugs.

    Here's a theory that should fit most Slashdotter's world view:
    The real driver is that the bosses are missing the adulation of the crowds and the face to face sucking up denied them by remote work.

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    1. Re:Because "One-Size-Fits-None" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You... really aren't understanding the mindset of the MBA schools. Or perhaps you are and yet you hold out hope in the face of all contrary evidence.

      I just watched a documentary-style report on an MBA school. Their idea was to hire ex-military people who have set up "retreats", put the MBA students into the retreat, stress them out like crazy and build something while they are stressed out. The kicker was, the ex-military hosts deliberately planted someone in the MBA group as a sh*t disturber. Seriously, the whole point of the plant was to sow confusion, discord, and negativity. Not so much as to reveal their role as a plant, only enough to disturb group dynamics.

      The theory, such as it was, was to challenge the groups with a team member whose mindset wasn't that of a team player. Then see how the group responded, and see if any leaders emerged.

      MBA schools are built around the idea of a school of piranhas. The biggest, meanest, baddest piranha wins, and they want that. Team membership is a bit of a sham to get the group to line up behind such leaders. All the rest of the team mantra is mainly window dressing to get compliant behavior from the team members.

  11. Re:They're going to lose a lot of good people. by Calydor · · Score: 2

    IBM bought the International Space Station?!

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  12. Gets rid of your best people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

            They did the same thing at the last company I worked for, made all the remote workers start reporting to the nearest office. The company only had a couple of offices in the US, so many of the sales and marketing people worked remotely. The net effect was that all of the good sales and marketing people who had long standing relationships with our customers left the company, taking their knowledge and customer relationships with them, a number ended up working for our competition. Rather than improve efficiency, this policy alienated our customers, got rid of our best sales performers, and hastened the demise of the company.

    1. Re:Gets rid of your best people by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Yes, but was this a bad decision by management? If the CEO walked away with a huge payout, then the answer is no.

  13. So the implications... by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2

    The implications are that either (a) IBM can't properly technologically provide for remote work or (b) IBM is unable to manage remote workers properly. Neither bodes well for their business.

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  14. Re:Much consternation about nothing? by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

    Even better - get all the company-issued stuff back onsite so it's easier to confiscate when the axes fall.

    Fiserv was (and likely still is) notorious for this during their periodic purges (they do it about once every two years, where x% of each department has to go, regardless of growth). It starts as a demand that all remote-workers come into the office... you knew what was coming next. Within a week or two they start canning all the victims, and everyone is back under the thumb to boot.

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  15. good news by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is great news. The explosion of talent into new venues should make for a resurgence in creativity. All the people that will now look for work in their own location or better yet, start up their own business should revitalize things. As for IBM, they need to slim down anyway.

  16. Tech companies can't use tech to collaborate? by zerofoo · · Score: 2

    What does it say that a tech company like IBM can't effectively use technology to get their teams to collaborate?

  17. Re:They're going to lose a lot of good people. by lgw · · Score: 2

    Well, Marissa Meyer did it - and, in the end, she got tens of millions of dollars.

    ...and Yahoo! Went! Down! The! Shitter! Faster! ;)

    Yahoo's stock price ~doubled under her tenure. She may have destroyed any engineering left there, but the business did well.

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  18. Re:They're going to lose a lot of good people. by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    Yahoo's stock price slightly more than doubled.

    Tech stocks in general doubled under her tenure. She did marginally above average in the eyes of investors while alienating users gutting future growth opportunities.

    The stock price paints a different picture to the health of the business.

  19. Re:They're going to lose a lot of good people. by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    It rose because of the AlleyBlabla stock it owned since before her reign. Epic fail at virtue signalling.

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  21. Your post doesn't smell right... by gosand · · Score: 4, Informative

    I have a friend who is celebrating his 21st year at Intel. He has considered leaving a few times, but just couldn't because they take such good care of him. He gets stock options that come out to about 1/3 of my salary, he makes very good money, usually gets double-digit raises and bonuses that are about 1/4 to 1/3 my salary.

    Every seven years, he gets a paid 3-month sabbatical, in addition to vacation. This year will be his 3rd one. He had to move once for the company, and when he did they pretty much covered every expense.

    Quite honestly, I have known a couple of other people who have worked there, and none of them complained about it.
    What I was told about Intel was that they take care of their employees, and during hard times (like during the economic downturn) they take better care of them. It's how they keep good people. I always respected them for that. I can't say as much for any software or financial company that I have worked for in the last 24 years.

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  22. Ex-IBM for 12 years, and glad of it by niks42 · · Score: 2

    I have to say that the decline started a long time ago. This is simply another symptom of a dying culture; it's a death throe. There is no technology issue that forces this change; there is no business, or cultural, or teamworking imperative. It's an attempt at controlling something that looks a lot like leakage. The view from the top, as IBM implodes must seem like someone is shoplifting all of the spare hours, taking all of the passion for the product line, the productivity and creativity away and they must get control back! What they have failed to realise is it's just the force of entropy; they've been shot through by Time's arrow. The only solutions are to re-invent or die.

    . I don't recall Louis V Gerstner worrying about remote working. I *do* remember him going crazy about having hundreds of Vice Presidents, none of whom could give him an elevator pitch on any subject of their choosing without having someone prepare a slide deck for them.