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Boy, 4, Uses Siri To Help Save Mum's Life (bbc.com)
A four-year-old boy saved his mother's life by using her thumb to unlock her iPhone and then asking it to call 999. From a report: Roman, who lives in Kenley, Croydon, south London, used the phone's voice control -- Siri -- to call emergency services. Police and paramedics were sent to the home and were able to give live-saving first aid to his mother.
No, but a 4-year boy may not know that, and presumably you need to unlock the phone for Siri to respond to activation command.
Did you miss the part about it being a 4 year old? They don't always know, or understand, how everything works.
This is a breakthrough, because in the olden days a 4 year old would've been able to simply dial 999 on the rotary phone without having to deal with fingerprint identification or risk getting things wrong with voice commands?
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Actually, the kid was smart enough to figure out the unlocking thing and then ask Siri for help. I'm just surprised that dialing 999 (or 911) is beyond him.
He probably saw his mom unlock the phone and use Siri many times before. However, being as he is only 4 years old he might not have known to call 999, or which number on the keypad was 9 when it came up. Some 4 year olds can read the numbers 0-9 but not all. Stringing together the right 3-digit sequence of numbers is not a small task at that age.
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It's still there, bottom left, passcode screen.
*grabs phone
*hits button
"Enter Pin" "Emergency"
*enters pin and checks firmware
ioS 9.3.5
I hate Apple as much as the next non-fanboi, but give the Devil their due.
Yes. The word "Emergency" is what you tap.
If you use the fingerprint sensor, then you might never see this. Click on the home button with an unregistered finger.
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Me: Siri where is the nearest Cabelas?
Siri: I've found the nearest Cabelas. Would you like me to call it?
Me: Yes
Siri: ("Yes" APPEARS on the screen) I'm sorry, I didn't understand.
Me: Yes
Siri ("Yes" APPEARS on the screen) I'm sorry. I didn't understand.
Me: Siri CALL THE FUCKING GOD DAMN NUMBER YOU USELESS PIECE OF SHIT
Siri: Calling
You do if it's an iPhone.
You used to be able to make emergency calls using an iPhone on the lock screen - it was a button that was part of the "enter your PIN" screen.
Problem: in iOS 9, Apple removed that screen. Now you just get a screen that says "press home to unlock." There is no option to place an emergency call on iPhones any more as they forgot to move that button to the new lock screen. Oops.
I get "press home to unlock" on my iPhone (iOS 10), and the unlock screen has "emergency" down at the bottom-left
Still there, bottom left.
Or you could also ask SIRI with he the phone still locked. But the kid didn't know that was not needed, I think it's pretty clever anyway for hime to do so given the age.
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Time for the obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Works for me. Tap a couple times, brings up passphrase screen with Emergency at the top of it because mine is alphanumeric.
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False. Just hit the home button a couple times when it's locked. It brings you to the passphrase screen which has the emergency button there.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
so, we're holding it wrong again?
Definitely not limited to 4 year olds.
I don't have an iPhone, but on my Android phone if you want to make an emergency call without unlocking the phone, you need to use a special gesture (swipe up from the bottom-left corner) and then tap the small word "emergency" near the bottom of the screen when the unlock prompt appears. Since it's not a normal flow for most people, it might have been a bit much to expect a 4-year-old to figure it out during a life-and-death emergency (can he read?). This kid relied on the method that he knew would work, which was good thinking given the circumstances.
Parent's Are Dying Because Children Cannot Call 999 On Locked Smartphones
It seems like one happens more often than the other.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
I know corporate Executives that don't always know, or understand, how everything works.
Or politicians.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
How do you even attempt to make any sort of phone call without first unlocking the phone and opening the the call app? Is their some secret password that calls 911 for you?
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
Yes, it does. But he was a 4yo kid.
How do you even attempt to make any sort of phone call without first unlocking the phone and opening the the call app? Is their some secret password that calls 911 for you?
Yes. The password is "Emergency". Not very secretive though, since the phone puts it on the screen in the lower-left corner.
"I'm just surprised that dialing 999 (or 911) [youtube.com] is beyond him"
Um, just a wild guess here, perhaps it's because HE'S FUCKEN FOUR YEARS OLD AND HIS MOTHER IS DYING IN FRONT OF HIM?!
Jesus fucken Christ.
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Be aware, your 4-year old may be Marlon Wayans. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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No, but a 4-year boy may not know that, and presumably you need to unlock the phone for Siri to respond to activation command.
From the lock screen, if you swipe down, you get the search box, w/ the mic icon on the right, which would enable Siri. Granted, the 4 yr old may not know that, but if he's smart enough to use mom's finger, I'd expect he's smart enough to have explored such nooks & cranies of an iPhone. Of course, I'm talking here about iOS 10.2.1: not sure whether they would have had an older version, for whatever reason.
4 year olds can know numbers and letters.
E.g. "what letter/number is this".
Kids vary wildly at that age in what they have learned though.
Android has an emergency link in the lock screen. I don't see one in iOS. Despite having swipe down/right and left, it doesn't have an emergency link or icon anywhere - talking about iOS 10.2.1
You mean that you can use any phone that is able to get a signal to call 911 is somehow a security hole?
Well then you've got a pretty big problem because its the law so you can actually do that with any phone from any manufacturer running any os in the United States.
Minimum threshold fixed. Thanks!
UK (and some other parts of the world) slang for mother is Mum...
You mean like this? http://youtu.be/F3CS9l9VJmE
Minimum threshold fixed. Thanks!
It's there... tap "emergency call"
While I was driving, I voice activated my phone to "call my dad" and I handed my daughter behind me my phone to talk to grandpa. At some point th connection dropped. Next I hear my four year old using the voice control and says "call my dad", sure enough, she reconnected to my dad.
:P
1. I didn't know she knew how to activate the voice control (double click home button) but she had enough exposure to other phones/tablets to know to try it.
2. She was four.
3. Somehow I expected my phone to call itself
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Actually, reading down, it is there in the PIN code screen. Problem is - since I use the fingerprint, I often bypass it. Of course, if one does, one can then invoke the Phone icon and simply dial 911
You joke, but a few weeks ago, there was a little girl who used her mom's fingerprint while mom was sleeping to get into the phone, and then order a whole bunch of toys for herself. So kids already know how to manipulate unconscious parents
At it for how many years and still can't spell, eh msmash?
I'm just surprised that dialing 999 (or 911) is beyond him.
His mother is probably on the young side of millennial - meaning voice calls are a rare thing, having been replaced by messaging and Snapchat. He may not even know what "dialing" means, but can ask Siri.
Sometimes dialing the emergency number is hard.
You mean that you can use any phone that is able to get a signal to call 911 is somehow a security hole?
No, the fact that you can unlock a phone with the finger of someone unconscious...
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"Was this a typo and they meant "Mom"?"
Mum is British for mom.
It would be nice if after one wrong PIN attempt, your fingerprint was automatically deactivated from allowed inputs... or maybe some very low specified threshold for finger inputs it did not like.
The iPhone has a start in that direction, you can't use a finger to unlock until after you have entered the pin at least once after the device has powered up.
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Using finger to access the device. :P Imagine an exploiter wanting to do the same. :/
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She's either smart to have figured that out or is now very confused about how dads work. Like when your grandma calls your grandad "grandad." What, he's your grandad too? What the hell went on in this family?!
It would have been extra adorable if she'd tried to impersonate your voice when she was talking to the phone.
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You do if it's an iPhone. [...] Apple removed that screen [...] There is no option to place an emergency call on iPhones
No you don't, no they didn't, and yes there is.
Pretend it's an emergency and you're using someone else's iPhone. What's the first thing you'd do after getting the screen to turn on? Try doing that on someone else's iPhone and see what happens.
I'd wager you tried pressing the home button first thing, and, sure enough, if you do that with an iPhone running iOS 9 or iOS 10 you'll see the old unlock screen, including the "Emergency" button that gives you access to the owner's medical info and a keypad to dial out. That screen appears anytime an unregistered finger is used to press the home button. And the reason it doesn't appear for registered fingers (and why you're likely unaware that it was still there) is because there's no need for a special emergency screen when you can already use your registered finger to unlock the entire phone.
it takes a 4 year old boy to use common sence where an adult dialing 911 would have been placed on hold not even thinking about the technology that phone offers and freaking out and complaining.
Dialing is quite possibly not a daily occurance in the house like when we were 4. But he got the job done and that's the part that matters.
Really, you need a thumbscan to call 911 (or 999)? I understand locking out non emergency numbers and other phone functions, but this could have very easily cost this woman her life (I am impressed 4 year old could do this but OTOH, I think back to 1982 and being able to figure out how to work my older brother's high end for the time Casio digital watch when I was around this kid's age) digitalwatch
Yes. And Siri as well. I'm assuming the little boy did not know that. (At 4 he probably can't read yet)
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Mom is American for Mum.
What? It's been 999 like since forever.
No, it doesn't. Try it: the screen shakes and you're told "try again."
You didn't press the button. You placed your finger on the sensor without pressing the button.
But a 4 year old probably doesn't know that, the 4 year old just knows that you need Mommy's thumbprint to play candy crush and assumes you also need it to call 911.
Kudos to the kid saving his mom, but it is also kind of sad about how isolated and dependent on institutions and technology so many of us have become... So much so, we just take it for granted a four year old would have no neighbor or relative nearby to turn to.
Perhaps I was just lucky to grow up (lower-ish) middle class in a suburb in the 1960s with siblings, many stay-at-home moms as friendly neighbors all around, as well as lots of kids playing in the street. That seems to be a world that perhaps hardly exists anymore in the USA for any child... Other countries may be more likely to still have that kind of circumstance perhaps...
And more wealth seems to only make it worse -- see for example:
"The Problem With Rich Kids"
https://www.psychologytoday.co...
"In a surprising switch, the offspring of the affluent today are more distressed than other youth. They show disturbingly high rates of substance use, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, cheating, and stealing. It gives a whole new meaning to having it all."
"The Culture of Affluence: Psychological Costs of Material Wealth" ...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...
"Evolutionary psychologists have suggested, furthermore, that wealthy communities can, paradoxically, be among those most likely to engender feelings of friendlessness and isolation in their inhabitants. As Tooby and Cosmides (1996) argued, the most reliable evidence of genuine friendship is that of help offered during times of dire need: People tend never to forget the sacrifices of those who provide help during their darkest hours. Modern living conditions, however, present relatively few threats to physical well-being. Medical science has reduced several sources of disease, many hostile forces of nature have been controlled, and laws and police forces deter assault and murder. Ironically, therefore, the greater the availability of amenities of modern living in a community, the fewer are the occurrences of critical events that indicate to people which of their friends are truly engaged in their welfare and which are only fair-weather companions. This lack of critical assessment events, in turn, engenders lingering mistrustfulness despite the presence of apparently warm interactions (Tooby & Cosmides, 1996).
Physical characteristics of wealthy suburban communities may also contribute to feelings of isolation. Houses in these communities are often set far apart with privacy of all ensured by long driveways, high hedges, and sprawling lawns (Weitzman, 2000; Wilson-Doenges, 2000). Neighbors are unlikely to casually bump into each other as they come and go in their communities, and children are unlikely to play on street corners. Paradoxically, once again, it is possible that the wealthiest neighborhoods are among the most vulnerable to low levels of cohesiveness and efficacy (Sampson, Raudenbush, & Earls, 1997). When encountering an errant, disruptive child of the millionaire acquaintance next door, neighbors tend to be reluctant to intervene not only because of respect for others' privacy but also, more pragmatically, because of fears of litigation (e.g., Warner, 1991)."
It used to be we lived in tribes and then still close-knit communities...
Daniel Quinn proposes we try to go back to that way of life:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
"New tribalists believe that the tribal model, though not absolutely "perfect," has obviously stood the test of time as the most successful social organization for humans, in alignment with natural selection (just as well as the hive model for bees, the pod model for whales, and the pack model for wolves). According to new tribalists, the tribe fulfills both an emotionally and organizationally stabilizing role in human li
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
You have an alphanumeric finger?
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My fingers can count to ten AND spell in ASL.
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