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After Healthcare Defeat, Can The Trump Administration Fix America's H-1B Visa Program? (bloomberg.com)
Friday the Trump administration suffered a political setback when divisions in the president's party halted a move to repeal healthcare policies passed in 2010. But if Trump hopes to turn his attention to how America's H-1B visa program is affecting technology workers, "time is running out," writes Slashdot reader pteddy. Bloomberg reports:
[T]he application deadline for the most controversial visa program is the first week of April, which means new rules have to be in place for that batch of applicants or another year's worth of visas will be handed out under the existing guidelines... There probably isn't enough time to pass legislation on such a contentious issue. But Trump could sign an executive order with some changes.
The article points out that under the current system, one outsourcing firm was granted 6.5 times as many U.S. visas as Amazon. There's also an interesting map showing which countries' workers received the most H-1B visas in 2015 -- 69.4% went to workers in India, with another 10.5% going to China -- and a chart showing which positions are most in demand, indicating that two-thirds of the visa applications are for tech workers.
Uhm...he said he did?
Uhm... Clearly, that don't mean a damn thing.
I think it depends on what's said on Fox in the morning. I don't think H1B reform is a hot button issue for its own sake, or for the sake of employers or visa holders, but if it can be co-mingled with outrage over someone who can be an easy target for blame and looks like they're getting a better deal than they deserve regardless of the facts then it will rise to be the next big thing. I doubt he's walked away from healthcare, there's plenty of rage left to be mined there.
Nullius in verba
If I had a team of several million people, I could build a sustainable city on Mars.
As long as I could be totally devoted tot he task, and the willpower to follow through the billions of setbacks you'd hit on the way, especially including my own ignorance.
Trump fixing H1b? It's possible, but similarly absurd to expect.
The Trump coalition isn't the team to fix H1b. They're a wrecking crew, not a construction team. They can foist individuals to make plans, but they're philosophically aligned against, say, the kind of planning that would make a national constitution or something along those lines.
Even if theoretically Trump actually meant the half-dozen things he said on H1b, and DIDN'T mean the several things he said that contradicted that, he'd still need to coordinate with a team that implements it, and a political base to enable a political climate that will make disobeying the rule a bad idea.
Trump could GET folks on board to get all that done... but at this point, he'd really need to construct everything needed from whole cloth. I somehow doubt that enforcing and enlarging H1b rules on the nation's CEOs is going to be a high priority compared to everything else he wants done in the world. It's POSSIBLE, just very unlikely, unless somehow Trump is thwarted on literally every other big thing, and yet not impeached.
H1b is a horrible system. It's virtues are nice - getting qualified folks in to do needed jobs - but that does not justify a system of modern day quasi-indentured-servitude. The way it's used it horrible too, basically used to quash local workers wage increases. Trump speaks against it, but he's exactly the wrong person to choose as a person to crusade against it - he's basically the living avatar of the idea of shortchanging workers using sketchy legal tactics.
Don't expect too much from Trump on this.
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And unlike the career politicians he's actually followed through on his promises so far. Failure to repeal Obamacare is not a lie. He made the effort.
Liberals call everyone Nazis yet they are the closest thing to it.
And few people have noticed that Trump masterfully defeated Ryan
Only wishful thinkers among Trump supporters. Trump was calling all the shots during this past week; he was the one who insisted on a showdown vote yesterday, to put all the Freedom Caucus members' votes on record. Of course, it was cancelled when they saw they were going down in flames.
and is letting the fuse burn down to the Obamacare implosion.
More wishful thinkers, but this time including the President.
He's obsessed with winning, but losing doesn't affect him. It's always someone else who caused that, so he never really loses. Trying to get Trump to admit defeat (or anything else) is like trying to get water to stick to a duck.
Let's see, Obamacare is a plague on the nation that must be killed right now. The GOP could do so much better. So they propose Obamacare-lite and can't manage to pass it even while controlling the House, the Senate, and the Oval Office. Let me guess, somewhere in Arkansas the county dog catcher is a Democrat and that gummed up everything.
Slow clap.
The problem is that it requires a Republican Congress to vote in favor of something that lets corporations get away with being stingy. Trump might decide to support it because he doesn't like Silicon Valley, but I can't imagine a Republican Congress siding with the little guy when it comes to money.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Do you believe that H1-B workers are the best talent?
When you send that question through a capitalist's mind, it becomes "Do you believe that H1-B workers are the best talent per dollar spent?" Guess what the answer will be.
Don't forget who pulls the marionette's strings.
Most politicians try to get past what they say. However the complexity of real life sets in. Most American career politicians try to do what they say but they are confronted by other politicians who say they will do the opposite. So they will either get what they want, fail to get what they want, or what is currently political death sentence a compromise where both sides get a little of what they want but not all of it, thus causing the stupid public to think they were lying vs actually trying to get what they felt was good for who they are representing.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
And unlike the career politicians he's actually followed through on his promises so far. Failure to repeal Obamacare is not a lie. He made the effort.
WTF?
Obama "made the effort" to close Gitmo throughout his whole presidency, does he get credit for that?
Because a lot of people count that as a "broken promise".
It would be a pretty hypocritical that Trump gets credit for "following through on his promises" by introducing a completely stillborn turd of a bill that his own party wouldn't pass.
Or would you have called Obama a success if instead of he'd introduced a bill to just shut it down while boasting... "I'm the best negotiator, its the best bill you'll ever see, everyone is going to love it."
then two weeks later when its obviously garbage and not going to pass even his own party... he withdraws it and says, "I made the effort. now we're just going to keep it open. So there. Oh... and Mitch McConnell now owns it. It's 100% his problem now."
But that capitalist has been conditioned to only consider short term benefits, so in his head the question really is "Do you believe that H1-B workers are the best talent per dollar spent this quarter?"
With the news about AT&T, Disney, and others forcing their existing domestic tech workers to train the H1B replacements, the true purpose of the program has been revealed: replace expensive domestic workers with cheaper foreign labor. That's why the H1B program won't get fixed: it does what it's meant to do.
Well, he said he cared about cleaning up Wall Street.
But then he picked Steven Mnuchin for Treasury Secretary and Jay Clayton for leading the SEC.
Obamacare isn't imploding though, for the most part it's working much better than anything that can't before it. So many people are now invested in it, reliant on it.
Trump is losing hard. His two flagship policies are on the rocks. The Muslim ban he promised isn't a Muslim ban any more and even then gets stuck down again and again. And now Trumpcare, because he sucks at making deals and massively underestimated how complex healthcare is.
Don't forget that he promised to defeat Isis by now too. He's a used car salesman who promises to fix everything, tells you it's going to be the best wagon you every owned...
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Fox is wrong as much as the other guys. Sean Hannity was out telling everyone Ryan's healthcare was good. His saving grace is that he also pointed out some of the problems with how it was planned and rolled out. Trying to be in the middle should not be the goal, being right should be the goal. RINOs pushing the bill were not right, and the Democrats putting their heads in the sand and doing nothing except cheerleading after the bill could not get off the ground were not right. Working to fix a horrible bill would have been right.
The answer is something Trump said a couple weeks ago. The Federal Government should never have gotten involved in health insurance. The answer is quite simple really, but I doubt his advisers would begin to do the right thing. Answer: GTFO of healthcare and provide vouchers to people who can't afford it on their own. Let the market set the rates, not the Government.
The Democrats passed the ACA on a line of bullshit. People needing assistance is not a reason for the Government to take over a complete line of business as they did with ACA. The arguments were a false choice. One should notice key changes in rhetoric, like calling Government Assistance of all forms "entitlements" instead of what they are, and arguing that health insurance is a right. The latter is bullshit. People should be able to get healthcare when needed, but that is not the same thing as health insurance.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
The H1-B program is a mess, but when I look around my office:
1. There is a small group of H1-Bs who are actually competent and probably help keeping us profitable
2. There is a bunch of H1-Bs who are useless, underpaid fucks who make the codebase worse
3. There a small group of citizen programmers who are actually competent and probably help keeping us profitable
4. There is a bunch of citizen programmers who are useless, overpaid fucks who make the codebase worse
Revoking for citizenship of group 4 seems the best plan. Then we can work on group 2.
and suddenly when they are in a position of actually enacting a repeal and replacement bill into law they came up with nothing.
It's even worse than that. They've had how many years now to sit down and think about a replacement plan, to go through the details, crunch the numbers, and get their party on board with a plan so that when they eventually could put it into action they could succeed. Instead they did nothing and tried to push out a cobbled together mess that they couldn't even get enough of their party behind to hold an actual vote on it.
Both of our major political parties are completely dysfunctional at this point. The Democrats spent all of their effort trying to push their anointed party insider candidate who needed significant party help to make it out of a primary against a fringe candidate no one was talking about seriously in the lead up to the election and the republicans had such a weak and unappealing array of candidate that a loud-mouthed bozo that was a complete outsider (he'd only changed to a Republican in 2011, but had bounced back and forth between the parties before) practically take over the party.
Is that a reason to believe he gives a shit?
It's reason enough for me. He seems to be actually trying to pull off his campaign promises. We will see as time goes on.
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I don't believe that any one really expected the repeal to get through on the first try. The ACA is 3500 pages that no one person really understands. It honestly wouldn't surprised if it took years to unravel that mess.
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Obama "made the effort" to close Gitmo throughout his whole presidency, does he get credit for that?
Obama made no "serous" effort to close Gitmo. If he did, it would be closed. Gitmo is a military base, it is completely under the control of the President. Congress can make bills and approve them requiring it to stay open but Obama could have vetoed them.
Obama used Gitmo as a political tool all through his presidency.
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Uhm...he said he did?
Lol, oh my dear child....I have some bad news about Santa Claus for you...
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Given his business track record (75% complete failure
Please site your sources on this. I would be interested in where you got these numbers.
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It's reason enough for me. He seems to be actually trying to pull off his campaign promises. We will see as time goes on.
I think we've seen enough already.
None of the crazy pie-in-the-sky shit he promised is ever going to happen. He couldn't even close the deal on his wet dream of wrecking the healthcare system, and that's with a Republican president AND a Republican-controlled House and Senate. He couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel.
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Obama "made the effort" to close Gitmo throughout his whole presidency, does he get credit for that?
Nope, not in my book, and I voted for him twice. That was a promise he broke.
Now, getting back to President Bath Salts, how many of his promises will he break? How many has he already broken?
I suspect that he'll be running near 100% failure rate at the end of his term.
We all know the wall will never be built. We all know coal jobs aren't coming back.
We all know he's not going to defeat ISIS.
We all know he's not going to be able to deport millions of undocumented immigrants.
We all know he's not going to be able to bring jobs back from overseas.
We all know Mexico's not going to pay for the wall.
We all know he's not going to be able to "get rid" of the EPA.
He's already broken his promise to "never take a vacation while serving as president."
We all know he's not going to prosecute Hillary Clinton.
He's not going to "Drop that "dirty, rotten traitor" Bowe Bergdahl out of an airplane into desolate Afghanistan without a parachute."
He's not going to bring back jobs from China. Hell, his own shit is made in China.
He's not going to "force Nabisco to once again make Oreos in the United States".
These are just a few of the hundreds of promises he made, all on record.
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What you are seeing is loyalty to lobbyists instead of loyalty to party or country. If Americans want to control their destiny they must get the money out of federal politics. The other direction is a milk cow getting run through rollers to extract the last drop.
Are you serious?!? Republicans have been bitching and moaning and wasting tax payer money on the topic for SIX years!!!
In the end, they have control over both houses in congress, full control of the executive branch, and a weakened judicial....
And the BEST they could come up with was a plan that they weren't even confident enough to bring up to their OWN party after multiple delays and negotiations.
Their next plan is a "wait and see"?! Just how absolutely incompetent does the US governing bodies have to be before the US public atleast stops coming up with excuses for them?
Don't forget that he promised to defeat Isis by now too.
ISIS? They're Junior Varsity, nothing to worry about.
Obamacare will need to be fixed before too long. Pelosi designed it to bankrupt the insurance companies and it's doing exactly that. What happens next is anyone's guess, but it can't go on the way it is.
According the trickle down capitalism, if we let the millionaires save millions of dollars by hiring immigrants, those savings will trickle down to the unemployed americans! You know, the white middle class unemployed americans, not those other ones, the ones on welfare.
It isn't their savings that trickles down. According to Reagan's trickle down economic (not capitalism) theory, the wealthy were supposed to take the extra money garnered from the tax cuts they received and invest it, creating jobs by doing so.
The reality is that the rich just saved it – they put it in the bank. They never invested it. No jobs were ever created by tax cuts for the rich. Why? The rich like seeing their wealth grow, not shrink. They hardly ever want to spend it on risky ventures like starting a company and hiring employees.
Money saved by allowing companies to hire H1-B workers is merely to improve the bottom line and pay bigger dividends to share holders and give bigger salaries and bonuses to the CxOs. Nothing about H1-B was ever about trickle down.
He is not more truthful than any other head of state. As every head of state before him, he tries to get through his agenda. But differently than many an head of state before, he vastly overestimates his own abilities. So far, all of the prominent election promises he tried to implement were wrecked because the way he tried to implement them didn't work. Maybe he will learn. Maybe he recognizes that there is more to being a president than making bold promises. Maybe he finds out that there is a reality which does not care about ideology but just is as it is. And reality does not change just because the President of the United States watches TV and misunderstands what he sees.
Mod up a hundred times. We have too many politicians who are unwilling to compromise to make progress. The only form of government where somebody gets everything they want is a dictatorship.
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Melania came over on an H2B visa, and Trump recruits 100's of seasonal workers at Mar-a-Lago through H2B
Personal behavior and political beliefs are two separate things. When I do my taxes, I take advantage of every available loophole and write-off, but that doesn't mean I support those loopholes as a matter of policy.
Sigh. Where do the prisoners go? Not USA, because of Congress. To another Gitmo? Hardly an answer. Go free? That gets way complicated.
Congress blocked the obvious path to closing Gitmo. Remember, Congress can override a veto with enough votes, so the President can't just thwart the lawmakers. He only enforces the laws within the legal framework, and your objections are addressed here.
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He couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the instructions written on the heel.
THIS is the exact reason Trump is sitting in the White house. It will of the reasons he will be sworn in, in 2020 for a second term. You constantly underestimated Trump from the time he threw his hat in the ring all the way up to election night. You where so sure that you had this in the bag you where already celebrating while he was mopping the floor with you.
More over you are letting your hatred and bitterness, this oppose Trump at all cost, blind you to what is coming down the road. Everyday people are getting tired of it. Even people like me who didn't vote for Trump, and who didn't think he would have made a good President, are starting to change our minds.
Americans don't like losers, but we detest sour losers. And that is exactly what you are coming off to be. The oppose Trump at all costs, instead of working with him is going to cost you more than the Whitehouse. When the next elections come around Americans are going to remember this, and are going to start removing the obstacles. Meaning Democrats.
Funny thing is, those of us who don't subscribe to any real political party see this. But democrats don't, Other libertarians in my group, we predicted that Trump would win. We are also predicting he will win in 2020.
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Lets go ahead and cut to the chase. I'm fond of saying site your sources so let me put up before I have to shut up. Here is the exact text of the ACA, complete with subtext, and related bills. Start reading and tell me you understand all this mess.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/111th-congress/house-bill/3590/
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The oppose Trump at all costs, instead of working with him is going to cost you more than the Whitehouse.
You mean like the way the Republicans opposed every single thing Obama did, even when the idea originated with them? Maybe that's why Obama didn't get a second term.
Tell me again who's gonna pay for that wall?
We all know the wall will never be built.
We all know coal jobs aren't coming back.
We all know he's not going to "defeat ISIS".
We all know he's not "smarter than all the generals".
We all know he's not going to be able to deport millions of undocumented immigrants.
We all know he's not going to be able to "get rid" of the EPA.
He's already broken his promise to "never take a vacation while serving as president."
We all know he's not going to prosecute Hillary Clinton.
He's not going to "Drop that "dirty, rotten traitor" Bowe Bergdahl out of an airplane into desolate Afghanistan without a parachute."
He's not going to bring back jobs from China. Hell, his own shit is made in China.
He's not going to "force Nabisco to once again make Oreos in the United States".
These are just a few of the hundreds of promises he made, all on record.
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And when you get to age 50 and your boss decides that you're incompetent as a way to dump you because you're causing his insurance rates to rise, we can also remove your citizenship? Goody!
That is all.
Do you think the lawyers reading the ACA legislation and the children reading Harry Potter are equal?
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Nonsense. Barack Obama, George W Bush, Bill Clinton, George HW Bush, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford, and Richard Nixon all lied plenty but none - not even Nixon - have come out with as much nonsense as Donald Trump.
Or do you really think there was spy tech in his microwave, he won the most electoral votes since Reagan, his inauguration had the biggest crowd of supporters in the history of inauguration, the murder rate is at a 45 year high (stated in early February, when in fact the US murder rate is half of its 1980 peak), he only lost the national popular vote by over three million votes due to massive organized voter fraud, Kuwait has the same kind of Muslim immigration travel ban as the one he supported, the federal court block of his travel ban means any traveler can enter the US whenever they want with no screening, etc... etc... etc... etc....?
I think you're giving them too much credit. While what you write is true with respect to the long term effects of using imported educated workers, most companies and executives are strictly focused on the current fiscal quarter and year. They don't care what the impact of importing H1-B workers does to their own company in five years, let alone have interest in examining what it does to the country or the world.
And that's capitalism right there. If it's cheaper to poison the water, poison the air, have the laborers work in unsafe conditions, cut medical benefits, cut education costs, etc... for the next year, then the decision is automatic.
Trump's relationship with the truth isn't so much interesting in that it's fairly casual; but in how self-destructive it seems to be.
People lying in order to advance their interests is an issue; but hardly unexpected or particularly abnormal. People who can't stop lying even when they'd be trivially better off keeping their mouths shut are a different matter. Something like the inagural crowd size thing: that's an idiotic lie. Trivially verifiable, hilariously petty; and completely unnecessary. He didn't lose much by it, since nobody actually seems to expect better; but he had virtually nothing to gain even if it had worked; and no reasonable expectation that it would work.
Melania Trump did not come over on an H2B visa. She came over on a B1/B2 visitor visa and worked illegally. The H2B visa story is yet another alternate fact.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Documents 6 bankruptcies, and 13 businesses that closed up shop - at the very least suggests he doesn't know what he's doing
Lets see, in 2005 he paid over 30 million in taxes on a income of over 100 million. He has several properties in down town New York, that is worth several million dollars. You're own link clearly states that bankruptcies are nether a indicator of success or failure. With a income of at least 100M that we know of, and possible billions elsewhere, I believe we can clearly say he knows what he is doing.
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Perhaps electing a con man with zero political experience into the single most important political position in the country wasn't such a smart idea...
Wait. You're calling out the parent for poorly supporting a claim, then you say: "He has a bunch of money, therefore he knows what he's doing."? You can't see the hypocrisy there?
You where so sure that you had this in the bag you where already celebrating while he was mopping the floor with you.
I see this response quite frequently I wonder if it's on the Trump fanboy talking point sheet.
Something for you to think about, just because someone thinks Trump is nutbag doesn't automatically make them a Democrat/Hillary supporter. I'm not even American, nor do I consider myself aligned with either side of politics (each has merits/faults) but I know plenty of conservatives who think Trump is batshit crazy too. Quite clearly half of Trump's own party think he's crazy because they are voting against him. How does that fit in with your narrative?
You are expecting Trump to fix anything?
If you are in that category I pity you, four years of bitter disappointment is coming.
It took three years to get rid of Nixon over Watergate and Trump is less likely to go quietly no matter what, so he's in for the long haul.
I think you need to go back and look at what actually happened. Obama tried to get those prisoners into the US where they could be interned in a rights-compliant way, given proper hearings and trials, lawyers, due process. He didn't try (and shouldn't have tried) to "close Gitmo" by just releasing everyone, nor did he ever say he wanted to. His attempts to get this done were stymied by others. So from my POV, while yes, that's a failure of Obama's attempt to close Gitmo, it most certainly doesn't lay the blame for the failure at his door.
Look, I am not a blind fan of Obama. Lots of things I disagreed with him on. Some of it is just attitudes he promoted as a leader, such as his various constitutionally blind gun-control ideas, some of it is things he actually did like signing the (un)PATRIOT(ic) act. But closing Gitmo... that turned into a political nightmare, but it was a nightmare he was on the correct side of.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Business negotiations often involve motivated parties with shared goals (sell/buy land, widgets, etc). They differ on the terms of the transaction, not the transaction itself.
In politics, you have to compromise on the transaction and its terms and there is often no agreement on the goal in question.
With healthcare, the Republicans couldn't agree on a goal so negotiating terms was much more difficult.
Pricing is the right approach, although using percentages to alter pricing is risky because you run the risk of "A10" workers being paid even less in nominal terms so that they're still cheaper WITH the added taxation.
I think with a lot of the outsourcing mills that are foreign-owned, you might end up seeing complex compensation systems that involve fractional payment deferred or paid into accounts overseas so that the nominal wage remains competitive even with additional marginal taxes.
I would tweak your plan slightly:
1) H1B workers must be paid 125% of the job's regional maximum
2) H1B workers must be employed and paid directly for the business who is the end beneficiary of their work -- they may not perform any contractual labor
3) H1B workers are fee to switch employers during the term of their visa
4) Violation of these terms is a crime. Employers are subject to a fine of 3x the employee's annual salary and a 5 year ban on hiring any H1B workers. H1B workers are subject to immediate detention and deportation for violating these rules. Employers who violate these terms for more than 1 employee concurrently are subject to criminal prosecution.
(1) Insures they are no longer cheap labor and business-critical innovation geniuses will make this kind of salary anyway.
(2) Prevents them from being used in labor mills or enabling foreign-owned firms from side-channel payments. They must be direct hires.
(3) No indentured servitude. This prevents businesses willing to accept higher salaries but who set extreme working conditions to cost-average their output to local salary levels ($/hr).
(4) Puts teeth into enforcement.
An alt-right fanatic isn't going to listen regardless of whether you're smart or stupid, civil or obnoxious, logical or wildly emotional. Don't engage them at all, it wastes your time and gives you stress for quite seriously no benefit.
Logical argument is for people in the middle. I hate Hillary Clinton. I think she's the flag bearer for corruption in the Democratic Party, and cares almost (but not quite) nothing for the middle class and working poor. I think her string of expensive speeches to Wall Street is a clear sign that all of the progressive aspects of her election promises were lies told to try to get the vote from Bernie Sanders supporters. She only came to support gay rights after enough popular sentiment shifted that it hurt her chances to oppose it. But I still voted for her. At her worst, she was still a better option than Donald Trump with respect to gay rights, abortion rights, issues of clean air and water (fuck global warming, but I care about reduced pollution because I have severely asthmatic children and the Flint Michigan lead scandal terrifies me), and appointing judges that have a reasonable perspective on those topics to the Supreme Court. I tried to convince the people who stayed home or voted for Jill Stein that Clinton, as bad as she is, is clearly not a Republican clone, much less a Donald Trump clone.
No, that is just you being wrong, period. An just like so many others of your mind set when you find someone who won't be beaten in to submission you resort to personal attacks.
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What I find interesting the reaction of some of the other people in this tread. I asked this one person to cite their sources and people are losing their mind. The snoops article that was linked to had some good points and was a good read.
But I'm still not seeing this 75% failure rate. I'm still interested in this evidence.
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Documents 6 bankruptcies, and 13 businesses that closed up shop - at the very least suggests he doesn't know what he's doing
While I admit you do have a point but bankruptcies and closing business doesn't necessary mean he doesn't know what he is doing. It could be just the opposite, and show he clearly knows what he is doing.
You have to find out how Trump got into these business and what was happening before hand. Where these business in trouble before he bought them? If so then using the bankruptcy laws to shield himself from debtors while he rearranges the business is a correct and proper business move.
So is knowing when to cut your losses. So closing up show also can show that he knows what he is doing. If the market has changed and there is no hope left, know when to quit is a good thing to know.
Having a business in bankruptcy isn't always a sign that you don't know what you are doing. It could simply mean market forces changed in a way that you didn't see. Or some other crises, that you didn't foresee, have affect your business plans in a manner that you can't adapt to fast enough.
Invoking bankruptcy protection while you change your business around is often used practice. There are a number of highly successful business out there that got a fresh start by going through the bankruptcy process.
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So in other words, you can't.
I asked the original poster to cite his evidence so that I might learn where he got his extra ordinary clam that 75% of Trumps business fail. To date, he has yet to post that evidence. If you have a extra ordinary clam that you clam is fact then you need to be prepared to if someone calls you on it.
You, on the other hand, have no ideal why I asked for that. What you saw is some one that might not have agreed with your view point. Did it not occur to you that I might be generally interested in where the poster got his information?
As for my evidence being, weak as you put it. It does no such thing. In 2005 Trump filed a tax return for over 150M in personal income. Every business reputable publication and source cites him as being worth at least 3B in assets. You don't get that rich and keep it by being incompetent in business.
So, yes, he clearly knows what he is doing in this area. If this will translate into a successful political career remains to be seen. So far I see there might be some issues in this translation.
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You are quite correct. I just tossed that one up there because I couldn't find the one I was looking for. You have probably been around a long time so you should know the article I was looking for. It was a manners FAQ that used to circle around usenet.
I remember every September that one would make the rounds.
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This is the internet. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen
Can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Are you serous? You really went there. That is just so, adorable.
Being offended when corrected
Trust me, I'm in way offended by your correct. If you will notice I have correct the reference. Just for future references as you can note I have been on /. for a very long time. Before that I participated in, and even incited, some of the greatest flame wars in the history of Usenet. The great comp.sys.amiga split, scientology vs ars ,alt.flame .. oh those where good times.
Well, where I'm going with this, there is nothing you can say or post that has any chance of annoying me or offending me in any manner. Point blank, its all been said to me in the past.
But thank you for the correction. I will remember it. An thank you for the chuckle. You brought back so many good memories.
I read at +2. If your post doesn't reach that level I will not see or respond to it.
One of the things to do to stave off mental rot is to try to take contrary positions and run with them. Turns out, it's also sound policy because the majority are wrong the majority of the time. Gotta stay ahead of the curve :-)
I would argue that, that is the wrong thing to do. I agree with your assertion that mot of the time the majority are wrong on most things. To me the thing to do is to listen to both side, not stating where my option is, then make up my own mind. That is what works for me.
But that is me, you option might work well for you. Barbara, I'm going to do something that I rarely do. I'm going to apologize to you. I'm sorry if my "passive aggressive" stance has offended you.
I think you for the correction an I will keep it in mind. In turn I would like to leave you with this, it's the guiding philosophy of my life. "True wisdom is knowing what you don't know." I believe that quote is by Confucius.
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Preview button. It's there for a reason! I must use it more. That should read I'm in no way offended by your correction.
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Then we will just have to agree to disagree. But what is this "gospel of wealth?" You have used that term twice and I'm still unsure what it means.
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You don't know the half of it. I scored 98 out of 99 on testing for science. Out out 99 on grammar and spelling, I scored 35. My spelling and grammar are atrocious. In my defense I do work at it, but seems I have a lot more work to do.
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That is a tough one. You can't be on the internet as long as I have been and not heard the suicide story a dozen times. The old internet adage is this is nothing more than a cry for attention and to ignore them. I've never been comfortable with that adage. It seems just to cold, even for me.
I have no advice to give you on this. I won't tell you not to worry about it because I know first hand this never works. I hope you hear from her soon and she is okay.
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I feel that the Republicans chose to deal with the short-term humiliation of being perceived as being unable to repeal Obamacare for strategic reasons.
The folks who hate Obamacare are a loud minority in their party. They can safely be ignored for a while.
The folks who would have lost coverage and been worse of with Obamacare repealed would have fucked them in the next election. As it is, these guys will still vote Republican in 2018.
So they let Obamacare stay. Big deal. They will dismantle regulations, start teaching religion in schools, pack the Supreme Court with Corporate-owned mouthpieces with no pushback.
It is because of my stunning personality my wit, and charm. It is hard being me but being me has some advantages. I get to move to the front of the line as movies. Specials seats at all the major events. I've been given a special seat on the first mission to mars. There are other perks but I won't mention them.
Yes I'm joking. I really don't what is going any more. The posting at +3 started a few weeks ago. There was issues with my account posting to low. Someone at /. central fixed the issue. The +1 says karma bonus. I just assume that I was posting at +3 because of the 4 digit uuid. There are so few of us left.
But today I saw another 4 digit uuid doesn't have the same bonus. There is probably still an issue with my account. I sent email to have it corrected.
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In the course of full disclosure then I'll admit that I'm very bias against the ACA. I had a really bad experience with it.
I probably erred when I said no body understands the full law. What I should have said is while people know what the law says and what they expect it to do. They do not know or understand all the ramifications that come in to play down the road. I believe that with the way things are turning that my assessment in this case is correct. We know how the law was supposed to work, but we didn't expect it to work the way it did. I will say one thing and I'm 100% correct on this issue. The day government, be it Trump, can fix the healthcare to where everyone is happy will be the day I take a tour around Memphis on my flying pig.
Why am I posting at +3? I assumed it was because of my 4 digit UID but I see that you don't post with the same level.
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Really? Sock puppets too?
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I believe that is more likely than you have some anonymous band of followers digging this deep in to a thread.
Look you clearly have some kind of mental issue. I'm just going to move on now. You can sit here and stew if you want too. Take care.
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