10 Million Insiders Test And Use Windows 10 Every Day, Says Microsoft (zdnet.com)

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10 Million Insiders Test And Use Windows 10 Every Day, Says Microsoft (zdnet.com)

Posted by msmash on Tuesday March 28, 2017 @05:20AM from the things-Microsoft-says dept.

When Microsoft made Windows 10 publicly available to all users in 2015, it said about five million people had signed up for Windows Insider program, and were using the OS every day. That number has grown to hit 10 million now, it said this week. From a report: Microsoft launched Windows Insider in October 2014 with its first public Windows 10 Technical Preview, and by that December the program counted 1.5 million members. It was a solid start, but the company now says that in just over two years numbers have grown 566 percent to 10 million fans. "We count over 10 million Windows Insiders today, many of them fans, who test and use the latest build of Windows 10 on a daily basis," wrote Yusuf Mehdi, corporate vice president of Microsoft's Windows and Devices Group. "Their feedback comes fast and furious, they have a relentless bar of what they expect, but it so inspires our team and drives our very focus on a daily basis."

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Sure by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 05:23 · Score: 5, Insightful

So then why isn't Windows 10 getting any better?
1. Re:Sure by poofmeisterp · 2017-03-28 05:26 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  So then why isn't Windows 10 getting any better?
  It doesn't need to. They have more fans!
2. Re:Sure by richy+freeway · 2017-03-28 05:52 · Score: 1
  
  Fanless computer that can definitely run Windows.
  https://www.quietpc.com/sys-a4...
3. Re:Sure by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 06:07 · Score: 0
  
  Data overload bogs development down.
4. Re:Sure by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 09:59 · Score: 0
  
  they didn't say they were actually fixing reported problems. you should see the mess that VS has been. devs have been screaming for bugs to be fixed since 2013 that are still present in 2017. they make claims that VS2017 is faster, but every benchmark shows otherwise; now they just flat out deny the facts like Spicer.
  no, the VS team is focused on more & more Azure integration, because that's where the real money is.
5. Re:Sure by MoarSauce123 · 2017-03-28 13:06 · Score: 1
  
  Because Microsoft gives a damn about feedback. Even issues with thousands of Insiders complaining about do not get fixed. By now they have lost at least one insider, the last insider build broke all my Win 10 VMs beyond repair. Win 10 is and always was just a piece of crap.
6. Re:Sure by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 13:13 · Score: 0
  
  +1 for clumsily shoehorning politics into the discussion. Bravo good sir; you have surely stumped the Trump this time.
7. Re:Sure by molarmass192 · 2017-03-28 16:51 · Score: 1
  
  Well, there's no question it *can*, but that rig is just begging for a meltdown related hardware failure. Love the concept, but I don't think I could ever leave one of these unattended in good conscience.
  
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8. Re:Sure by Big+Hairy+Ian · 2017-03-29 00:50 · Score: 1
  
  It doesn't help that when you join the Windows Insider program it's almost impossible to leave without Re-Installing
  
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9. Re:Sure by Big+Hairy+Ian · 2017-03-29 00:56 · Score: 1
  
  It was like 10 million voices cried out and were suddenly silenced
  
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10. Re: Sure by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 03:19 · Score: 0
  
  Well they did say they using their users for testing. So they are supposed to release shitty patches for you to test. That explains a lot...
11. Re:Sure by ElizabethGreene · 2017-03-29 05:19 · Score: 1
  
  The insider preview fast ring release announcements here https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/tag/windows-insider-program/ list the major issues that are fixed in each preview release.
  Full disclosure: I work for Microsoft as a platforms PFE. This is my own opinion, and not paid shilling. I'm pleasantly surprised to see we're talking about improvements publicly now. That's a nice change.
Make That 10 Million And 1 by dryriver · 2017-03-28 05:26 · Score: 4, Funny

My cat has fallen in love with Windows 10. It makes her litter box run far more efficiently than OS/2 Warp did.

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1. Re:Make That 10 Million And 1 by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 06:27 · Score: 1
  
  My smart toilet runs Win10. It was OK until an unexpected update in the middle of a dump which caused a reboot and rollback of said dump. Unfortunately I had just finished and was about to close the lid when it ejected the poo tray right in my face.
2. Re: Make That 10 Million And 1 by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 03:34 · Score: 0
  
  Don't worry it will be sorted soon enough. MS has announced that it is releasing another patch next month to rollback the rollback automatically and seamlessly.
  Until then please refrain from making any supported changes to attempt fixing the issue yourselves. This include cleaning away the shit off yourselves or the toilet. Such an attempt might trigger an infinite loop of redo and rollbacks that cause shit to be repeatedly flunk at you for eternity or until the BSOD relief you of your misery.
location by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 05:30 · Score: 0, Troll

over 10 million testers and I have yet to meet anyone who likes it better then windows 7, where are the all located?
1. Re:location by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 06:56 · Score: 1
  
  India and China... Duh, the same places you get your support... Oh wait, what support. Windows 10 Creator Update better finally take it out of Vista quality status. I'm an early adopter and not a fan. I assume when they claim "testing" it, they really mean just "using", since it isn't getting any better with each iterative update, and one would assume that testing implies someone is getting feedback to correct the issues.
2. Re: location by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 11:20 · Score: 0
  
  have to go to the right forums. that goes for any platform os or the like you will find outspoken fans.
How much do they get paid? by HalAtWork · 2017-03-28 05:30 · Score: 3, Informative

Sounds like these people are providing valuable QA and focus testing

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1. Re:How much do they get paid? by swimboy · 2017-03-28 05:34 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Because everybody knows there's nothing like a self-selected sample to get accurate insights into your product.
  
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2. Re:How much do they get paid? by Luthair · 2017-03-28 05:38 · Score: 1
  
  Usually you'd listen to what your QA team has to say, not complete ignore them and allow major bugs to get released.
3. Re:How much do they get paid? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 05:47 · Score: 0
  
  Or sack half of them, and pass the buck to the consumers...
4. Re:How much do they get paid? by Voyager529 · 2017-03-28 06:49 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Because everybody knows there's nothing like a self-selected sample to get accurate insights into your product.
  This is what I find hypocritical of Microsoft. The people who are going to sign up to get prerelease versions of Windows are going to be the more tech savvy crowd who are going to articulate what they want, and then get summarily ignored...
  "Provide a means to actually-disable telemetry!"
  "No."
  "Let me control my update cadence!"
  "No."
  "Provide a classic mode for the Start Menu, even if it's not by default!"
  "No."
  "...At least let me leave Classic Shell in after the different major updates?"
  "No."
  "Let me use Chrome without Edge acting like a clingy ex-girlfriend?"
  "No."
  "Stop auto-downloading apps I didn't ask for?"
  "No."
  "Can we use ZFS or at least ReFS in desktop Windows?"
  "No."
  "Could you stop changing my default PDF reader?"
  "No."
  "Could you make the control panel situation a bit more consistent?"
  "No."
  "Could you integrate more cloud storage providers, rather than plastering me with OneDrive ads?"
  "No."
  "Could we have our integrated backup tools back like we used to have in Windows 7?"
  "No."
  "Could my installed drivers be set to be excluded from auto-updates in Windows Update?"
  "No."
  "Then what feedback *do* you want?"
  "The kind your computer provides to us automatically."
  "So, you don't want actual human feedback, then?"
  "No." ...Because that's what I think they seem to want.
5. Re:How much do they get paid? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 06:54 · Score: 0
  
  "Could you stop changing my default PDF reader?"
  "No."
  I thought I was the only one having that issue... I swear they keep resetting it back to Edge after every restart.
6. Re:How much do they get paid? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 07:01 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  "Can you make a VPN connect one-click?"
  "No." ... Because we interviews all 10 million, and most stated they wanted to right-click, left-click, search menu options, click-again, then click to Connect...
  Which is obviously, much, much simpler... Keep up the good work there Micropenis.
7. Re:How much do they get paid? by zephvark · 2017-03-28 07:07 · Score: 2
  
  >The people who are going to sign up to get prerelease versions of Windows are going to be the more tech savvy crowd...
  Really? How do you figure? I'd expect the more tech-savvy crowd to be running Windows 7, if they were stuck with Windows.
8. Re:How much do they get paid? by HalAtWork · 2017-03-28 07:19 · Score: 1
  
  Doesn't really take a bunch of snowflakes to poke around and find bugs, and as for metrics you don't have much of a choice lately
  
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9. Re:How much do they get paid? by lingu1st · 2017-03-28 07:30 · Score: 1
  
  undoing mis-moderation (Windows 10 tablet....)
10. Re:How much do they get paid? by cyberchondriac · 2017-03-28 07:51 · Score: 1
  
  I'm realizing just how crap 10 is. Homegroups and general sharing are broken. Homegroups (why isn't "Downloads" a share option?) will work okay until you change the windows name of one of your boxes, then it'll never pick up the new name right and keep displaying the old one, which also won't work right. Leave the homegroup (not as simple as they claim) and try to use standard old sharing, nope, no luck there either.
  I had to stand up a new homegroup, after a lot of hurdles such as blowing out idstore.sst.
  I'm also not fond of these WSD print port monitors, I could not install my HP D110 as a standard TCP/IP port no matter what, it would only use WSD, and now my print queue jams up frequently, on two boxes. The printer worked great in Win7 with a standard IP port.
  
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11. Re:How much do they get paid? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 08:23 · Score: 1
  
  >"Then what feedback *do* you want?"
  >"The kind your computer provides to us automatically."
  YES!
  Just like they referenced the automatically provided feedback on our "lack of using the Start Button" as THE reason to drop it.
  "We" were using it, just maybe not the way they wanted. Take it away? Suddenly start button add-ons.
12. Re:How much do they get paid? by TellarHK · 2017-03-28 12:09 · Score: 1
  
  I can actually see a couple good reasons why Downloads isn't a share option. For a lot of less knowledgeable users, that's where the trojans and malware go, and people just don't sort through it which means they might be exposing themselves more than they expect to when they share it. I suspect the decision not to allow that is user oriented, and if you really want to share it, you still can with a manual shared folder.
  
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13. Re:How much do they get paid? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 13:18 · Score: 0
  
  Good point. Let's disable every useful feature that could even theoretically be used by the bad guys. And while we're at it let's ban house windows because glass is so easy for burglars and murderers to break through.
14. Re:How much do they get paid? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 19:39 · Score: 0
  
  TL;DR: "Just Fuckin' Trust Us" --Satya Nadella
  (thanks for the list, btw)
15. Re:How much do they get paid? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 04:31 · Score: 0
  
  He means tech savvy people may be 'more curious & willing to participate' than regular home users.
  So by being the first to notice something crappy, they may have a super-user's opinion about it. No one said tech savvy people would be loyal MS lovers, by maybe they'd want to chime in with the hopes of staving off a disaster. Obviously it did not work & we all returned to our other OSs.
  Surly an un-savvy person would have been less inclined to even participate, much less know what they're missing & describe a promising solution.
inaccurate by dejitaru · 2017-03-28 05:33 · Score: 5, Insightful

10 million insiders does not equal actual testers. This is like the whole "number of registered users vs number of active users" that sites play. For example, i'm an insider because I was playing with windows 10 before it came out (10240). Once it reached RTM I refused to continue using insider builds because using windows 10 normally already has enough issues as it is.
1. Re:inaccurate by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 05:43 · Score: 1
  
  Same here. I was an insider during the Windows 8 era, when I hated 8 but had to have it on this laptop for work, and was waiting to go to 10. So I signed up and replaced 8 w/ a 10. Once 10 reached RTM, I just went with what was released.
2. Re:inaccurate by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 06:11 · Score: 1
  
  I was briefly an insider before Windows 10 was released and stopped using it as soon as I took a closer look at the EULA. Unbelievable that the phone-home feature remained in after the initial pre-release testing!
3. Re:inaccurate by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 06:27 · Score: 1
  
  10 million is the accurate count of active users. You think you can so much as take a pee without Windows 10 knowing about it and reporting to Microsoft?
4. Re:inaccurate by BronsCon · 2017-03-28 06:35 · Score: 1
  
  I commonly use 4 different Windows machines, 2 Windows 10 tablets, a Windows 10 desktop, and a Windows 10 laptop. The desktop and one of the tablets are on fast-ring builds, while the other two are running release builds.
  
  News at 11: Which builds are more stable? The answer might surprise you!
  
  My guess, they test new user-beneficial features in the fast-ring builds, without the bullshit, so they can get good feedback on just the features people care about; then, they introduce the Microsoft-beneficial features in slow-ring or RTM. Of course, that's just a WAG, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest and it does seem to align with my experience of fast-ring, counter-intuitively, being slightly faster and more stable than release.
  
  I've never used slow-ring insider builds, so I can't say whether the same holds true but, as I suspect that's where they're introducing the stuff they want (rather than the stuff we want), I'd guess that it doesn't. If some brave souls wants to confirm, I'm sure this article will be posted again in a month and you can detail your results there.
  
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5. Re:inaccurate by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 07:01 · Score: 0
  
  Did you forget the part where it said "and are using it everyday?"
  The way they actually phrased it, it appears there are 10 million active Insiders using it.
6. Re:inaccurate by LVSlushdat · 2017-03-28 07:27 · Score: 2
  
  Yeah.. This.. I signed up as an "insider" waaay back when it was still in beta.. I tried a couple of builds on a spare machine and played with it a while, tried both installing "castrated" and default on different machines, watched its traffic to/from MS/other sites and compared the traffic seen from the castrated install vs the default install... Virtually no difference.. Which told me all I needed to know about Windows 10 ... or as I call it "Windows NSA Edition".. Bottom line is MS is likely showing me as one of those users, even though I don't have anything MS running on my systems as they're all Linux....
  
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7. Re:inaccurate by Leslie43 · 2017-03-28 08:39 · Score: 1
  
  Funny how many of us seem to have done this.
  I switched exclusively to Linux (then dabbled in Mac) almost the day it went Gold, I got tired of their games with Insider Builds and not listening.
  
  Granted, I just needed a push to leave, but Windows will probably never be my primary OS again after all of this. I was frustrated before, but after working with Win10 for customers, no thanks. Windows ME and Vista had fewer issues than I've seen with Win10, and that's before you even take Telemetry into account.
8. Re: inaccurate by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 09:10 · Score: 0
  
  I'm an insider bevause I need a virtual machine to test my cross builds from linux on and edit word docs occasionally (libreoffice still not there yet, god I wish it was)
10 Million hoping for the bugs to be ironed out by Casandro · 2017-03-28 05:35 · Score: 3, Informative

... like the inability to remove Cortana, or the many bugs involving parts of the OS replicating OS features like the UI toolkit. Or the bug that the bitmaps of TrueType fonts are ignored so you'll always have those blurry characters. Or the longstanding Windows-Bug that the binary files of programs cannot be deleted when the program is running.... etc...
The feedback probably mostly goes to /dev/null, because many of the bugs either stem from decade old design decisions, or come straight from the marketing department. (which is apparently the most powerful department at Microsoft. Probably much more important than the sales department.)
1. Re:10 Million hoping for the bugs to be ironed out by freeze128 · 2017-03-28 06:27 · Score: 1
  
  Or the longstanding Windows-Bug that the binary files of programs cannot be deleted when the program is running
  Um, I'm just an observer here, but this seems like a "yeah, no shit" type of "bug".
2. Re:10 Million hoping for the bugs to be ironed out by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 06:37 · Score: 0
  
  I mean, it's definitely a bug. The question is more, is it the type of bug that they will ever fix, and will in introduce more bugs when fixed?
3. Re:10 Million hoping for the bugs to be ironed out by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 11:58 · Score: 0
  
  Dude, the binary is loaded into memory at the start of execution. Once the program starts the file on disk can definitely be deleted.
4. Re:10 Million hoping for the bugs to be ironed out by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-29 05:49 · Score: 0
  
  Yeah... this "bug" makes getting rid of shit you don't want in your comp that much harder. The whole "open file" concept is badly designed and reeks of DOS.
Classic Stockholm Syndrome behavior by JoeyRox · 2017-03-28 05:41 · Score: 4, Funny

They were all originally forced into a Windows 10 upgrade and now are showing empathy for their captors.
1. Re:Classic Stockholm Syndrome behavior by Billly+Gates · 2017-03-28 06:32 · Score: 1
  
  Hey
  What about us into BDSM? I need something to keep middle aged issues from keeping in. My wife loves patch Tuesdays particular after my work hours
  
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2. Re:Classic Stockholm Syndrome behavior by Voyager529 · 2017-03-28 07:27 · Score: 1
  
  Hey
  What about us into BDSM? I need something to keep middle aged issues from keeping in. My wife loves patch Tuesdays particular after my work hours
  Don't become a Drupal developer.
Given all the user data collected, i wouldnt... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 05:46 · Score: 0

be surprised if they had an exact number of users at any given second, as well as what they were doing, what ads to serve them and any other data they see fit to collect.
Professional QA end users by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 05:47 · Score: 1

There's a reason companies that care about quality hire real QA instead of just spewing out garbage and hoping for the best.
Really? by PaoloAgati · 2017-03-28 05:49 · Score: 3, Insightful

wow... 10 million blind people... or do they just try to login without doing anything? with so much tester the system should run without a glitch.... but I keep experiencing daily crashes, many times a day... I'm really thinking to switch definitely to Linux... even in an all Microsoft environment
1. Re:Really? by Tvingo · 2017-03-28 07:39 · Score: 1
  
  If you're having that many issues it's almost certainly a hardware or driver problem. There is no reason you'd be experiencing that many software crashes everyday when most people experience none, unless you're just really really unlucky.
  
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2. Re:Really? by TellarHK · 2017-03-28 12:06 · Score: 1
  
  It's always weird when I see people talking about $SOFTWARE like it must be terrible for everyone because they're one of those weird cases that has crashes and errors all the time, but nobody else seems to have the same kind of issue. Windows 10, for me at least, with maybe a handful of exceptions has worked far better than any previous iteration of the platform across two cheap tablets, two Surface Pros, a laptop and my desktop PC. It works just as well for most other machines I've seen too, so I have no idea where people like this must be coming from.
  
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They don't mention the Dark Numbers... by MindPrison · 2017-03-28 05:49 · Score: 1

...aka people who SIGNED up for it when it was offered for free as a Beta download (like me), and who never got around to installing it or using it.
Later, I actually bought an OEM Windows 10 on an USB install memory key (official, from Microsoft), just so I could use my HTC VIVE (I'm a Linux guy in general). But microsoft kept mailing me on the "insider program", and I had so much trouble with it, I had to try to "opt out" again so I could stop having beta features on my new "officially purchased" license, strangely enough MS treated my license as if it was a beta license, despite never using the Beta license key.
Go figure...
But MS STILL thinks I'm one of the insiders.

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1. Re:They don't mention the Dark Numbers... by TellarHK · 2017-03-28 12:03 · Score: 1
  
  Your key isn't what puts you in Windows Insider, it's your Microsoft account. If you don't want to be in Insider, opt out on the settings screen and unsubscribe from the emails. Ta-da.
  
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How many know? by Dins · 2017-03-28 05:52 · Score: 3, Interesting

And of the 10 million, how many of them know they are "Windows Insiders"?
1. Re:How many know? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 06:25 · Score: 0
  
  Once you wake up in the pit, and Nadella starts passing down installation media in a basket and threatening you to, "Rub the Windows disc on your skin or else you get the hose again." you realize you are a Windows Insider.
2. Re:How many know? by dave562 · 2017-03-28 08:17 · Score: 2
  
  Given that they have to consciously opt into "insider" builds, I would say 99% of them.
3. Re:How many know? by thegarbz · 2017-03-28 08:23 · Score: 1
  
  And of the 10 million, how many of them know they are "Windows Insiders"?
  I will bet all of them given the constant nagging to upgrade their OS. I have a more important question. How many people *think* they are Windows Insiders providing valuable feedback on the product.
  If 10 million people were actually listened to then I doubt the product would be such a steaming turd on the surface.
"The whole world is our beta tester." by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 06:09 · Score: 0

"The whole world is our beta tester." (2006-04-04)

"Because it has a virtual monopoly, Microsoft makes more money when its software has a lot of security vulnerabilities."
And 10 million say... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 06:19 · Score: 2, Insightful

It's a piece of crap.
Windows 7 FOREVER.
1. Re:And 10 million say... by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 06:55 · Score: 0
  
  Nah, I'd probably ditch Windows 7 if Microsoft ever brought out something better.
Story: More Shilling for Microsoft by axewolf · 2017-03-28 06:20 · Score: 0

That whole telemetry thing wasn't a joke. The operating system is literally spyware, an integral part of the mass surveillance drag net, and any 'respect' anyone shows it is due to profound ignorance or due to bribery.
translation by bobmajdakjr · 2017-03-28 06:38 · Score: 1

10mil people will only use windows 10 the free way
1. Re:translation by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 07:29 · Score: 0
  
  It's not "the free way": you agree to have statistics etc sent back for evaluation.
  This is in stark contrast to the regular users who eheh eheh. My theory about the brontosaurus
Inquiring Minds Want to Know by nehumanuscrede · 2017-03-28 06:48 · Score: 1

Did Microsoft sign up all the voluntary insiders in the same manner everyone " volunteered " to upgrade to Windows 10 ?
Or does MS simply figure everyone is an insider by default since so much telemetry is sent back ( unless steps are taken to prevent it ) ?
1. Re:Inquiring Minds Want to Know by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 08:30 · Score: 0
  
  To run Windows Insider builds, you have to take explicit steps in the Updates control panel, under Advanced Options and sign up . Given the track record of stability in the insiders builds, Microsoft absolutely do not want anyone afraid of an 'advanced' button using them!
Willing users? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 06:58 · Score: 0

Kidnap victims are not loving children. Windows 10 users got tricked into upgrades. Its like getting shot in ass for free.
Counter Productive Big Waste by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 07:01 · Score: 0

All M$ needs is one person who knows what they are doing!
I guess they fired him because after 60 seconds he said, "It Sucks!".
Ha ha
Furious? by GrumpySteen · 2017-03-28 07:35 · Score: 1

All the flaws of Windows 10 aside, describing the feedback from your testers as "furious" does not make me want to use your product.
Whoopie doodle doo by bradley13 · 2017-03-28 07:39 · Score: 1

I'm a "Windows Insider". My wife's little company has a couple of Windows computers, and I wanted to know what Win10 was going to look like, and how the upgrade process was going to go. The Insider program gave me earlier access, so I put Win10 on my gaming computer to look at. That's it. Claiming me as an "Insider" is pretty meaningless.
I don't game every day. But with the telemetry turned off (um...how much do I trust them...is it really off?) how would they know?

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And all 10 million of them wonder by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 08:50 · Score: 0

... why Microsoft is adding shit new stuff they won't use instead of fixing bugs in the old stuff they use every day.
File Explorere still does not handle Long File Paths !
Are they waiting for the 30th anniversary of NTFS, FFS (sic) ?!
Feeble Feedback by WaffleMonster · 2017-03-28 09:25 · Score: 1

Microsoft's corporate strategy seemingly is want everything you don't have by destroying everything you do.
Years ago was just a few loud Linux zealots you'd find at any neighborhood IT shop. Now I talk to people almost weekly willing to put up with lost functionality and usability issues to get away from Microsoft.
Numerous times in recent months I've sent long emails detailing what would have to be done fully expecting customers to say "F" that and fold only to be surprised by willingness to proceed.
Customers keep talking and Microsoft keeps doing the opposite. Entrenchment is not a cloak of invincibility not even for Microsoft.
Made my definite change to Linux by zedaroca · 2017-03-28 09:34 · Score: 1

Windows 10 insider program did it for me. I'm kind of glad now.
And you can't leave by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 10:59 · Score: 0

The numbers will grow because, as I understand it, once you opt-in for Windows Insider, you can't opt-out (without doing a complete re-install).
Really? Win64? People use it? by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 11:06 · Score: 0

I have used linux as my main platform since 1996, so I'm an early adopter. Maybe I'm old and fat, too. Wouldn't surprise me if I'm ugly as well.
But I sit back in horror and watch these "children" in IT only able to (vaguely) operate a Windows UI to set up a network. And I get a chuckle at how all they know is how to look-up windows issues on google because they can't understand the underlying technology. Maybe that's good in most cases, but when something breaks, and I'm the guy who puts in the IT ticket, these "children" don't even know what I'm talking about.
What's the backup policy.
What format is it using (POP3? Other?)
What happens when I drag-and-drop from my inbox to: (1) a folder I created in owa, or (2) the "Archive" folder created by Microsoft?
Yeah, that's a specific product. Buy wait! There's more!
I'm on a VPN from home, and I can get into the network just fine, but my Windows 10 station says it is busy doing another operation when I try to remote into the box. And the box is locked up when I get back to my poor Windows box at work. What went wrong? IT guy: You use Linux somewhere? We don't support Linux.
Boy, these impressonalbe young chaps will be the death of my 35 year career. If only they RTFM'd the manuals instead of swallowing the Blue Pill, and then pose me with bullshit hackney sentences that have everything to do with why we offshore bullshit jobs, and nothing to do with the technology are forced to use in the office because of the unenlightened VP's that think we need to use it.
I'll be back being productive, writing Linux device drivers, should you need me.
FYI: Yes, written Chicago-based device drivers back in the 90's. Not a stranger to the fucktitues of win16, win32 nor win64. What bullshit versions of an os.
Another Microsoft story: by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-28 11:44 · Score: 0

Ha! I have a better story!

Satan, the CEO of Hell, said Microsoft is supposed to be EVIL, not just stupid.
Amazing ... by angel'o'sphere · 2017-03-28 11:48 · Score: 3, Funny

10M massochists volunteering to play with that?
I have to use it at work since 6 weeks ... you can not even properly grab the edge of the window with a mouse to resize it.
Dragging a window from one screen to the other or releasing it to close to the edge ... then it will go full screen automatically ... the search function in the explorer is not working properly ... since windows 7 I think. And people "volunteeringly" use this pile of crap?
I close my Dell Laptop, unplug it from the docking station.
Next morning I plug it in again.
All windows are now on the screen of the laptop and not where they have been before: a nice set of chat and mail tools on the laptop screen and all the programming tools on the "external/main" screen.
Helllllllllo? That worked 1987 on a Mac just fine!!
And it is impossible to have a window overlap screens, the sizes get distorted ... and trust me, the resolution of the laptop is just fine, bullshit like this never happened on a Mac.
So the 10M people have no clue how a computer should work but are masochist enough to beta test ...

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1. Re:Amazing ... by TellarHK · 2017-03-28 12:01 · Score: 1
  
  you can not even properly grab the edge of the window with a mouse to resize it.
  Dragging a window from one screen to the other or releasing it to close to the edge ...
  Yes you can.
  
  then it will go full screen automatically ...
  Windows 10 has different zones you can drag windows to in order to "snap" them into full screens, halves of a screen, or quarters of a screen. You can see an outline of where your window will land when you drag the menu bar around. If you don't want to snap it when you resize, just resize from the bottom or size it then move it in. Or, disable windows snapping. This is you not knowing how to use your tools.
  
  the search function in the explorer is not working properly ... since windows 7 I think.
  Searching in Explorer works, if you let it index your machine. I agree that it could use better search tools and sorting, however. The UI is clunky, but it works.
  
  I close my Dell Laptop, unplug it from the docking station.
  Next morning I plug it in again.
  All windows are now on the screen of the laptop and not where they have been before: a nice set of chat and mail tools on the laptop screen and all the programming tools on the "external/main" screen.
  That's on you, because as soon as you unplugged the laptop from the docking station you told Windows "Hey, I don't have a second monitor anymore." and it shuffled everything to the laptop's display so you can use them as soon as you open the machine.
  
  Helllllllllo? That worked 1987 on a Mac just fine!!
  And it is impossible to have a window overlap screens, the sizes get distorted ... and trust me, the resolution of the laptop is just fine, bullshit like this never happened on a Mac.
  So the 10M people have no clue how a computer should work but are masochist enough to beta test ...
  A Mac in 1987 wasn't a laptop with multiple displays, and you can overlap screens just fine if your screens are the same size, aligned to the proper positions, and have the same DPI. I use a triple-head display and it works just fine, though I hate overlapping windows across displays because what kind of monster would do that?
  
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2. Re:Amazing ... by angel'o'sphere · 2017-03-29 08:38 · Score: 1
  
  Dragging a window from one screen to the other or releasing it to close to the edge ...
  Yes you can.
  No you can't. It only "works" if you hit the edge of the window with the tip of the cursor.
  A cursor looks like this: <-> and you should be able to drag any edge of the window when the _ is over the edge. And not only when either (depending which side you drag) < or > is directly on a 1 pixel thin window border + 2 pixels or something.
  A Mac in 1987 wasn't a laptop with multiple displays
  Why you refer to laptops is beyond me. I worked with plenty of multi monitor Macs before 1990.
  That's on you, because as soon as you unplugged the laptop from the docking station you told Windows "Hey, I don't have a second monitor anymore." and it shuffled everything to the laptop's display so you can use them as soon as you open the machine.
  
  WRONG: the laptop is in sleep mode when I unplug it and later plug it again. Of course the vendor and Windows together mess it up, as they wake up the laptop when it gets unplugged. How retarded that is I can not even express ...
  overlap screens just fine if your screens are the same size
  Yeah! Same SIZE, now you get it!!!
  aligned to the proper positions, and have the same DPI.
  My Mac Laptop and external display have not the same DPI, but work fine. Not so windows.
  
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3. Re:Amazing ... by WhoBeDaPlaya · 2017-03-29 15:06 · Score: 1
  
  Use FileSearchEX for search in Win7/8/10. Much faster, and works/looks just like the classic search in = XP.
4. Re:Amazing ... by angel'o'sphere · 2017-03-29 20:59 · Score: 1
  
  Ah interesting, thanx.
  I have a Git-Shell installed and most of the time use the unix/linux find command.
  
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Yes by MindPrison · 2017-03-28 12:13 · Score: 1

This is exactly what I did...
Doesn't work, tried over 5 months on the settings screen, debated it in the bugs forums etc...

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Re:Head count! by rtb61 · 2017-03-28 13:04 · Score: 1

What the fuck is the article even about. M$ is inside every single mug punter, nothing voluntary about it what so ever http://www.zdnet.com/article/w.... Yep, uh huh, people volunteer for the M$ probe, stick it in deeper, oh yeah, twist it about, on yeah, pump it harder. Volunteer to stick windows 10 on a box and M$ gives you no choice, routinely fucking over the semi, somewhat, sometimes pretend privacy settings.
Those insiders and inside nothing, M$ is inside them, schmucks. Insider http://www.dictionary.com/brow..., so what special inside information do they get, none what so ever, so M$ double speak, when they say you are an insider, they actually mean they are the insider "a person belonging to a limited circle of persons who understand the actual facts in a situation or share private knowledge", that's you private knowledge they are digging into.

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So Microsoft is turning into Google by Anonymous Coward · 2017-03-30 01:47 · Score: 0

The forever beta test eh.
It's ok, i'll send MS my invoice for my time once it's finally bug free. ;-)
Oh that's nice.... by TheOuterLinux · 2017-03-30 22:06 · Score: 1

I'm an "Apple Developer." How many apps have I made? Zero. Nice try Micro$oft.