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Scientists Discover Way To Transmit Taste of Lemonade Over Internet (vice.com)
schwit1 quotes a report from VICE: With the use of electrodes and sensors -- and zero lemons -- a group of researchers at the University of Singapore have announced that they can convince you that you're drinking lemonade, even if it's just water. Plus, they can send you a glass of lemonade virtually over the internet. In an experiment that involved 13 tasters, the subjects' taste buds were stimulated using electricity from receiving electrodes; LED lights mimicked a lemony color. Some were convinced that the water they were drinking was, in fact, almost as sour as lemonade. According to researcher Nimesha Ranasinghe, the experiment proved that taste can be shared online: "People are always posting pictures of drinks on social media -- what if you could upload the taste as well? That's the ultimate goal." Each of the subjects was given a tumbler filled with a liquid that was either cloudy white, green, or yellow. They were told to place their tongues on the rim of the tumbler before sipping. Then they took a taste and rated the beverage on appearance and taste. Some of the liquids were plain water and some were lemonade. "We're working on a full virtual cocktail with smell, taste, and color all covered. We want to be able to create any drink." Why would anyone want to drink a virtual lemonade? Advocates of virtual eating say that virtual foods can replace foods that are bad for you, that you may be allergic to, or that you shouldn't eat because of a medical condition.
I've been able to do that for years.
email: Go buy a lemon at the store. Taste it.
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Call me back when they can send pizza through the internet.
stimulating two whole things, sour, which is shit lemonade and sweet, with nothing between
hey lick a 9 volt battery and it taste like salt, where's my millions of dollars to jerk off at work for years on end
digitally substituting the flavoring of one yellow liquid for another!
Come to think of it, this would've been the perfect time for Slashdot's resident, "frosty piss," poster.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
If you lick a battery, it tastes sour. This is either a put-on, or an attempt to get published in the Annals of Improbable Research
On the hand, after looking at certain part of the Internet, I feel a bitter taster in the mouth also
...this is great news! If you don't though you are SOL.
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
(Google for many examples)
This is well-known phenomenom. People aren't nearly as good tasters as they think they are, and they are easily fooled by environmental triggers.
Here's what I'm wondering: clearly, all of the 13 participants in this study had consumed lemonade of some variety before. The summary states, however, that the researchers wish to use this to allow people who are allergic to a food to experience it. So my question is this:
Say you take a group of people who have never tasted something before due to an allergy or other medical condition. You tell them that what they're drinking is the thing they've never tasted. How do they know it would even still work?
Why do I get the feeling this'll be used for porn sites?
Try our pussy juice.
well. stimulating taste buds is the thing here.
not "sending lemonade over the internet" or some stupid journo shit like that. it doesnt obviously matter where the data for the signals comes from, but stimulating the taste buds with electrodes is the real thing here.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Please. Don't.
Well, I better not show you where the lemonade is made. /sweet, sweet lemonade
I can see the fnords!
tastes like..a 9 volt battery
If you think goatse was nasty before...
Table-ized A.I.
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I heard about that but have not been to Brazil.
This is not the oldest such proof
This is something that has been known since the early days of charging Leiden jars with a Van de Graaff generator and then licking the leads. One of the early researchers went so far as to directly stimulate his optic, olfactory, and auditory senses (that's the citation I was trying to find, but stumbled on this recent one first).
There will be a lot of skinny programmers when they can do virtual pizza and soda
Yeah, in essence.
But culturally we are still struggling to accept that the brain is, at its essence, a data-processor. And further, that our thoughts, memories, and personality, are all just data.
This experiment portends direct neural interface, and with it the ability to send thoughts over the Internet, and with that the ability to transcend an existence confined within the limits of the brain, and to become a much greater sort of being, with our consciousness spread out all over the Internet.
I know, most of you think this is crazy horse shit. It is a threatening concept, and unfamiliar, so we react. But the technology to interface with the brain already exists today (read all about it in wikipedia for christ's sake). Primitive. Still limited. But the potential is mind-boggling.
We probably won't uncover the mystery of consciousness, but we will definitely re-define the word.
The Smell-O-Scope can't be far behind.
when they can transmit sex over the internet.
A way to enjoy your virtual Cool-Aid the way the advertiser intended!
You're right. I think that's all crazy horseshit. Stimulating taste buds is a low-rent party trick, doesn't portend anything to anybody who can tell science from scientism.
I can do the same thing with hypnosis. I can convince you that piss tastes like merlot or chardonnay. I can encourage your mind to think almost anything about anything. In a group situation (such as a theater or arena) I can help thousands to believe they are drinking lemonade instead of water. Your mind is doing the work, I am simply a guide. Your mind has great potential that scientists and psychologists have yet to explore. It is frustrating that science refuses to examine hypnosis because it defies any common theory. Suggestion (a form of hypnosis) may explain this particular situation. Meanwhile, I suggest you relax and enjoy Slashdot and get a good night's sleep afterward.
...omphaloskepsis often...
...will have a totally new dimension now.
uhh this is a crowd that has supposedly learnt about stuff like missing parts of the brain affects personality so all that is a given.
HOWEVER.. stimulating the brain directly hasn't really been actually going forward in past 30 years all that much. it's pretty damn complex.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
Next, you'll be able to transmit colors over the internet.
https://xkcd.com/96/
You make... lemonade?
OK, so we fool them into feeling like they are drinking a lot of straight vodka and observe them trying to drive home. Will they drive as if they are drunk? And then there could be virtual pot !
Giving a dead serious response to an obvious joke, but...
How about caramel, or blueberries, or carrots, or ketchup, or seafood.....
The tongue is an extremely limited organ in sensing capacity.
Basically it can detect sweet (presence of small molecule with a surface vaguely shaped like glucose), salt (basiclly "there are ions here"), acid/sour (simplistic pH) and umame (detects if there are animo acids in the mix).
that's about it.
and due to their function "satly" (basically a ion flux) and "pH" (bascially a specialised ion flux) are the easiest to simulate with electrodes (cause a flux of electricity, i.e.: ions when in a liquid medium like saliva), so that's why they went for "shitty cheap lemonade" (basically citric acid/citrate sodium with some tasteless yellow dye) instead of anything else more complex.
The organ which is responsible to detect that caramel is in fact caramel and not only sweet with a touch of salty is the nose.
(In addition of sampling air as it goes by (= sense of smell), the nose can sample small molecule that are present inside the mouth cavity and diffuse to the nose thorugh the back or over the humid surface (= sense of taste, complementing what the tongue is doing).
There are a huge amount of different receptors, enabling you nose to detects the shape of an incredible amount of different small molecules (usually some fatty acids, but lots of others too).
To create a realistic simulation of blueberry flavor you'll need to stimulate all the various receptors inside the nose that detects shapes present on the various volatile component found in blueblerries.
(Which is incidently what the food industry is also trying : find a few dead cheap stuff, that stimulates the nose in the right way to make you things you're tasting which has spent time growing on plant being taken care of, instead of tasting whatever was the cheapest compatible chemical)
In theory, there's no fundamental technological reason why it shouldn't work, given a sufficiently fine electrode matrix, that can pinpoint the various chemical receptors precisely enough (it's "just" an engineering problem).
(There's no new hidden tech to be discovered in doing it).
In practice, it's going to be extremely complex just to build and test the appropriate electrode array. It's going to cost a lot, not bring anything new to research, and not do anything that can't already be done much cheaper and simpler by blowing the correct dosage of small chemicals into the nose.
And over all, TFA is also a measure of the gullibility of the brain : giving a liquid that is more or less the correct colour (yellow. done by LEDs here or by adding color dyes in the industry) and vaguely stimulates the taste buds in the right way (salty acidic) and the person will be fooled into thinking that they are drinking lemonades made out of actual lemons.
(Which is incidently, again, what the food industry is doing, but with chemicals instead of electronics. Can't get the blueberry mix precise enough ? Well... add some deep blue/purple paint, make sure it's sweat and a bit acidic and you're goign to fool enough gullible customers. Some of them have never even seen an actual blue berry anyway, they won't notice).
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Can it make me think I'm drinking beer at work? That would drastically improve my patience with my coworkers.
We'll make great pets
You see flashing lights and sparks flying out of your mouth, as your taste buds getting electrocuted..Mm Mmm MMMMMM! must be lemonade!
I'll pass
Taste the lemonade at our lemon party.
Taste and temperature comes from receptors on cell detecting electron orbitals of passing molecules. Something acidic will have a positive charge. Something fruity has carbon-ring based molecules.
I agree. If we won't wipe ourselves off the face of the Earth, there it's possible -- even likely -- that one day we will posess the ability to interface directly with our brains. We could upload data to our brain, download data (obviously with quite a bit of "bit rot"). We are all machines. Biological machines.
What I fear most is the day when we learn to reprogram ourselves. That is, to extend life or transcend to another level of consciousness where we can live an eternity. Our minds would probably blow, though, as I don't think humans will be able to easily comprehend the fact that we could create "instances" out of ourselves and exist in many places simulteanously.
Memories are raw data and consciousness is an algorithm that interpretes this data mass.
There are few things I would rather researchers be working on than simulating tastes and smells of foods. When they can make broccoli taste like pizza I can cancel my gym membership.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
They're locally lighting up the water and attaching electrodes to the taster's tongue - neither of which requires the internet at all (just a local machine to control things). Yes, the internet can store the light/electrode "recipes" so there's a central repository, but I fail to see how the internet is an important part of it (after all, I suspect all the possible drink/light/electrode combinations would fit on a small USB stick).
Internet bad taste? Old news.
You mean like this?
ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI!?
Obligatory Addams Family reference: Make is taste like real girl scouts.
I hate to tell you this, but that wasn't a glass of lemonade... [zipper noise]
No more RickRolling or LemonParty -- please.
... when life does not give you lemons.
Oh rly?
You are ill-informed. We have used direct computer-to-brain technology to make the blind see, much more recently than 30 years. That's just one example from that wikipedia page.
Out of curiosity, have you read the wikipedia page about the brain-computer interface, and the outright amazing things that we have already done along these lines.
You think it is horse shit....because you don't know the facts.
It's real.
Cool, maybe we can soon transmit a fart to someone!
Just put it in the tube. It'll get there.
Hasn't this been done? >_
I seem to remember years ago somebody building a smell "printer" -- Smell-o-vision or something like that.
oh yeah - it works better when the HTML is escaped. >_<
darn it.
Now that Soylent has got its nutrient slurry prototyped, we just have to wait for this technology to mature. Then we pipe Soylent into every house, and charge for licenses on the DRM-locked flavor files to load into your AR rig. No more need to worry about climate change decimating our capacity to grow real food, just don't try to circumvent the DRM - pirate flavor sites are rife with impostors uploading septic smoothies labeled as pizza.
and due to their function "satly" (basically a ion flux) and "pH" (bascially a specialised ion flux) asiest to simulate with electrodes
Silly question, is this why licking batteries taste the way they do?
Bascially yes.
Those receptors are the most sensitive to the type of activity that happens when licking batteries.
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It's not exactly the same, but there are pizzas with crusts that are made out of vegetable (crumbs) for ~50%. I know that actually sounds terrible, but those pizzas taste surprisingly like normal pizza. And I don't mean that as in 'these vegan fake meat sausages taste like normal sausages' (they don't, stop saying that, they taste like rubber).
These guys make them in the Netherlands: http://magioni.com/en/products...
So long as she thinks she is drinking gallons of mountain dew and not getting off the couch?
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The timing on this news is PERFECT! I can send my friends a link to this article, and then include a link to lemonparty at the bottom of the email: "If you want more information about transmitting experiences over the internet, check this out!" In the context of the lemon-related news, it'll catch them off guard, making for a delightful April Fools Troll email to send out tomorrow.
Bwa ha ha ha ha!
"You wouldn't download some lemonade"
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