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Verizon To Force 'AppFlash' Spyware On Android Phones

saccade.com writes: Verizon is joining with the creators of a tool called "Evie Launcher" to make a new app search/launcher tool called AppFlash, which will be installed on all Verizon phones running Android. The app provides no functionality to users beyond what Google Search does. It does, however, give Verizon a steady stream of metrics on your app usage and searches. A quick glance at the AppFlash privacy policy confirms this is the real purpose behind it: "We collect information about your device and your use of the AppFlash services. This information includes your mobile number, device identifiers, device type and operating system, and information about the AppFlash features and services you use and your interactions with them. We also access information about the list of apps you have on your device. [...] AppFlash information may be shared within the Verizon family of companies, including companies like AOL who may use it to help provide more relevant advertising within the AppFlash experiences and in other places, including non-Verizon sites, services and devices."

120 comments

  1. What updates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My smartphone stopped getting updates from Verizon years ago. I wonder if they will backport this into 4.1?
    I will probably renew with a regular phone now. Thanks!

    1. Re:What updates? by WarJolt · · Score: 3, Funny

      Only Google should know all your intimate details.

    2. Re:What updates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Google provides valuable services.

      Verizon is a big dumb pipe with delusions of grandeur.

    3. Re:What updates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google provides valuable services.

      Care to name a few of those 'valuable'services you can't get anywhere else? And without the slurp and tracking?

    4. Re: What updates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Search, Maps, and Gmail,

      Oh and I think they also own YouTube.

    5. Re:What updates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A decent E-mail system, with 2FA. Yes, they can look at it, but I have yet to be doxxed or pwned through gmail.
      YouTube. YT Red is more useful than TV for the most part.
      Google Authenticator. A F/OSS item that actually helps security immensely.
      Google Drive. Relatively inexpensive cloud storage.
      Google's search engine. Good luck looking through printed man pages and flipping through shelves of documentation that is outdated, as opposed to finding the use case that fixes the exact problem.
      Google Docs. Available anywhere.
      Android.

      Shall I continue?

    6. Re: What updates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny thing, I don't use any of those things, so yes keep going.....

    7. Re: What updates? by airdweller · · Score: 1

      So, you just came here to fart around and annoy people

    8. Re: What updates? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Microsoft has Bing, Bing Maps, and Hotmail.

      It used to have Soapbox.

    9. Re: What updates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft has Bing, Bing Maps, and Hotmail.

      I see nothing of value here...

  2. Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by jonwil · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone so you dont have to put up with this crap. Oh wait, its Verizon, they lock the phone down so you cant install 3rd party ROMs or remove their crapware...

    Why anyone would go with Verizon when they do this crap instead of going with a phone and carrier that doesn't do crap like this is beyond me.

    1. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because most people don't care jackass. They aren't going to hack their phone just to avoid Verizon's crapware. The real question is why Google even allows bastardization of Android by the carriers.

      Apple got that one right. They control the OS completely. The forks of Android to satisfy the handset OEMs and carriers makes Android suspect.

    2. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm on Verizon, bought the phone direct from Googles. Waiting for updates to get pushed through them is one thing, this is just silly.

    3. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      I have a vzn phone (lg g2, vzn special version) but I use it on tmobile, its rooted and the vzn version is better since it has qi charging and the non-vzn version does not!

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    4. Re: Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Right... giving apple total cotrole over my phone is way better. HAH!

    5. Re: Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Desler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In comparison to Verizon? Yes. By many miles.

    6. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by msauve · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "they lock the phone down so you cant install 3rd party ROMs"

      Just buy a Pixel from Google. They work on VZW. They weren't bootloader lock to start, and AFAIK they still aren't.

      And, with recent changes with regard to ISPs, what makes you think there's one which "doesn't do crap like this", or won't soon? If there's nothing to prevent it, you can't assume it's not happening just because you don't know about it.

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    7. Re: Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because I can just disable the app and shut off its permissions. The amount of storage it uses is negligible.

      Yawn.

    8. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Just buy a Pixel from Google. They work on VZW. They weren't bootloader lock to start, and AFAIK they still aren't.

      In the interests of clarity -- OP was pretty clear, but let's make it absolutely clear: if you buy a Pixel at a retail store (Verizon, BestBuy, WalMart, etc) -- you get a locked bootloader with no carrier lock. It will work on carriers other than Verizon. But it will have Verizon shitware on it.

      You can only get both the "unlocked bootloader" and "no carrier lock" if you buy a Pixel directly from Google.

    9. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the tightwad with no self control.

    10. Re: Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second day this. My Nexus 6 with its unlocked bootloader and a custom recovery that flashed lineageos works just fine with my grandfathered unlimited plan.

    11. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The beauty of Android is customization.

      Besides, how is iOS different? Instead of the carrier telling you what you have, Apple does. Same shit, different asshole.

    12. Re: Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by tacarat · · Score: 1

      It's only going to matter when you're off WiFi. They have a lot of the data going over the cellular signal as is.

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      "Common sense will be the death of us all"
    13. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by nightfire-unique · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If Google was smart, they'd put a stop to this immediately. This shit does horrendous damage to the Android "brand" and there's no reason for them to tolerate it.

      Want access to the Play Store, GCM/GMS, etc? Thou shalt not install garbage on customers' devices.

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      A government is a body of people notably ungoverned - AC
    14. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah because that isn't monopolistic behaviour. "Only WE are allowed to spy on our customers."

    15. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Puls4r · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You don't understand the phone ecosystem. Android is FREE. Google makes very little money on Android. But they do make loads of money because of android - google play, all their apps, all their services.

      Google wants other folks to use Android. So being total dicks and dictating outlandish stuff will end up biting them in the ass.

      Look at what Samsung is the in the middle of doing. It scares the shit out of both Google and Qualcom. Samsung has an all-Samsung operating system now, has a replacement for Qualcom's processor that's made in house, and is quickly developing their own apps to replace most of googles. Very soon, the Number 1 manufacturer of phones is going to be able to step away from both companies. And that is really going to hurt Google and Qualcomm. That's why Google started making their own phone. They see the writing on the wall.

    16. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Android is free, open software. That's why hardware manufacturers and everybody else can do whatever they want to do with it.

    17. Re: Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With an iPhone Apple has "total cotrole" over your phone. With an Android one Google, the manufacturer, your carrier and whoever code the apps you've preinstalled on will have "total cotrole" over it.

      So, yes, it's better. Even more when Apple doesn't get their profit from selling you and your privacy.

    18. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by mjwx · · Score: 2

      Just buy a Pixel from Google. They work on VZW. They weren't bootloader lock to start, and AFAIK they still aren't.

      In the interests of clarity -- OP was pretty clear, but let's make it absolutely clear: if you buy a Pixel at a retail store (Verizon, BestBuy, WalMart, etc) -- you get a locked bootloader with no carrier lock. It will work on carriers other than Verizon. But it will have Verizon shitware on it.

      You can only get both the "unlocked bootloader" and "no carrier lock" if you buy a Pixel directly from Google.

      Can you unlock the bootloader with a single command like I did with my Nexus 4 and 5x?

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      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    19. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      Or buy a phone from a company that doesn't allow carriers to install crapware on your phone.

    20. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm on Verizon because it works. I can't have dropped calls and service outages. I like T-Mobile's approach. But their coverage is non-existent where I live. But these days it doesn't matter. I took my LTE SIM and popped it in a Nexus phone and presto. No Verizon crapware and good coverage. Problem solved.

      FWIW, While Verizon loves to shovel crapware their customer service and network are very good. I wish they would be content with being a (good) pipe rather than wanting to be a media company.

    21. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Samsung has an all-Samsung operating system now, has a replacement for Qualcom's processor that's made in house, and is quickly developing their own apps to replace most of googles. Very soon, the Number 1 manufacturer of phones is going to be able to step away from both companies.

      OK, that begs some questions. Is their operating system in fact good enough to compete? Are their apps in fact good enough to compete? Because I don't think they are. And if they aren't, then no, they won't be able to step away from both companies. They're still going to need Google to be successful. There's just not room for another handset manufacturer in the market, at least, not to be successful. While they have their flaws, neither Android nor iOS is unable to run your phone.

      Android is by far the dominant system. If Samsung is going to put a dent in anything, it's going to be iOS, not Android. They might well take users away from Apple's walled garden, and move them into theirs. But even if they stop making Android phones entirely... they'll be back.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    22. Re: Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by PoopJuggler · · Score: 2

      So they just cache it and blast it all out next time you hit a hotspot.

    23. Re: Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by PoopJuggler · · Score: 2

      Apple is millions of times less evil than Verizon.

    24. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why anyone would go with android when they do this crap instead of going with a phone and carrier that doesn't do crap like this is beyond me.

      FTFY.

    25. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only one reason I have Verizon. I travel a lot and in many places on the map in flyover country there are only two choices: The crappy little local mobile company that has no deal with T-Mobile, Sprint, or any of the cheap pay as you go companies who all seem to piggy back on Sprint's network, and Verizon.
      So if I actually want to be able to use all those great Google Apps, plus things like actually making a call I can buy a phone for every one of those crappy local mobile companies or I can use Verizon.

    26. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samsung has tried for years to make his own OS relevant. Tried and failed. Just like Microsoft, Canonical, Mozilla and Blackberry among others.

      There is no life outside from Android and iOS. Period.

    27. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      Samsung's tried pulling out of Android in the past and it never worked. Their Tizen watches were terrible compared to Android Wear (which is no small feat considering how poor Google's support is for AW), their forays into Tizen phones flopped, and even just on Android itself, all of their custom software, be it TouchWiz or just apps, tends to be ranked at the very bottom on virtually all levels.

      Samsung would lose a lot from pushing out of Android, they just don't have the software know-how.

    28. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      The reason Google allowed carriers to do what they pleased with Android was to speed up market adaptation. It was either give in to get all the arguing carriers onto one OS and app standard or have the entire cellphone market completely and utterly swept aside by Apple.

      Thankfully there are better choices. Unlocked phones are not too expensive. Buy one, use the OEM ROM that isn't beholden to any carrier.

    29. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah call someone a jackass then you write...
      "The real question is why Google even allows bastardization of Android by the carriers" .. showing your own ignorence.

    30. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      That is true. Samsung may have their own OS, but what sells phones is the app ecosystem. I would assert that Windows phones have a decent OS, but what brutalized them wasn't the OS, but the relative paucity of apps and developers writing for the platform. Samsung is a strong company, but convincing developers to write apps for only their hardware and only their OS would be an uphill battle.

      Where Android excels at is running on inexpensive devices and having an open app market. This is only going to be more important over time as the middle class in the US and Europe shrink, where that latest and greatest smartphone may not be something people want, because they have rent to pay or food to eat. Plus, a midrange or even entry level smartphone is good enough for almost everything.

    31. Re: Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Ayanami_R · · Score: 1

      No, NEVER a good idea, regardless who is in control. Verizon having control is bad, Apple having control is bad, period.

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      "Science is the power of man"
    32. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a Nexus 6 from Verizon and I've been able to unlock it, get root access, etc.

    33. Re: Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is millions of times less evil than Verizon.

      That's OK. You just keep telling yourself that.

    34. Re: Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Desler · · Score: 2

      But giving Verizon control is way worse.

    35. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by SumDog · · Score: 1

      Because Android makes a ton of money off the Open Handset Alliance. They have the power to enforce hardware standard so every phone can boot stock AOSP, instead of just connecting random shit to random ARM pins and hacking their kernels is totally non upstream-able manors. Hell, even Microsoft required their phones to support UEFI for ARM (but you can't unlock their bootloaders).

      Google's actions are on purpose and help to prevent real open source alternative to take over their phones, just like Linux took over the developer's desktop on PCs back in the late 90s/early 2000s:

      http://penguindreams.org/blog/android-fragmentation/

    36. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by SumDog · · Score: 1

      Only if Google provides a mean to get the OEM unlock code. Sony has a website you can go to, but not all their phones are unlockable.

    37. Re: Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah,millions of times less evil in the same way that the Devil is less evil than Satan.

    38. Re: Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by Ayanami_R · · Score: 1

      Neither is worse than the other. They're both "worse"

      Well, I'm still taking up the rear, but at lest the dildo is smaller.

      --
      "Science is the power of man"
    39. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      This is only going to be more important over time as the middle class in the US and Europe shrink, where that latest and greatest smartphone may not be something people want, because they have rent to pay or food to eat.

      Forget those markets shrinking, that's irrelevant to the bottom line compared to the developing markets growing. Even if the western world doesn't shrink at all, they will in effect shrink away to nothingness as India and China continue to buy more stuff.

      Plus, a midrange or even entry level smartphone is good enough for almost everything.

      Everything but 3d gaming, basically. Even a single-core phone with 512MB will do everything else, as long as you are willing to wait for it a bit. Quite a bit, as it turns out, but it will still do the things.

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    40. Re:Just install a 3rd party ROM on the phone by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Only if Google provides a mean to get the OEM unlock code. Sony has a website you can go to, but not all their phones are unlockable.

      Google does not provide the carrier unlock code, the carrier puts that on, enforces it and removes it. I was talking about the bootloader unlock like here for the Nexus 5x

      Carrier locking is more of a problem with the unregulated US telecoms industry, here in the UK carriers are required to unlock my phone at my request. Not that I've bought a phone from a carrier... ever. Living in Oz and the UK means that I could buy off the shelf phones that worked on most if not all carriers. Its the same with Iphones, if you want that carrier unlocked you have to talk to Verizon or AT&T, not Apple.

      I still firmly belive that carrier locking should be outright illegal.

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  3. people don't care. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The app provides no functionality to users beyond what Google Search does. It does, however, give Verizon a steady stream of metrics on your app usage and searches.

    For a couple decades there's been a steady stream of shitware of that general nature. "Toolbars" on desktops. "Bonzai buddie". Browser plug ins that exist only to datamine everything you do. Google itself, which profiles you for its own profit, not only web searches but all your emails and travels around the net. Windows 10, spyware built right in. Half the apps in the phone ecosystem that demand to scrape your contacts list for a calculator or whatever.

    People don't care. They have never cared. If they cared, the internet would be a very, VERY different kind of place.

    1. Re:people don't care. by lucm · · Score: 1

      "Briefing" from Samsung is also pretty awful.

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  4. are you from the past by lucm · · Score: 2

    I make at most 2-3 phone calls per month on my phone. I could actually not have a phone number and it would work just fine for me. I only use it for internet access, including tethering for other devices.

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    1. Re: are you from the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations?

    2. Re: are you from the past by lucm · · Score: 0

      There's always a "I use a feature phone who needs a smartphone" grouch or two whenever a smartphone-related story comes out and I'm starting to believe that they are unaware that many people see their smartphone as a small computer more than as a phone, so I figured I'd make it clear for them.

      So instead of congratulating? me why don't you chime in.

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      lucm, indeed.
    3. Re:are you from the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, just tether a small Linux laptop (maybe running Tails?), and use it exclusively for any non-phone communication apps with a web browser and/or Linux apps?

    4. Re: are you from the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love Linux too, but are you really suggesting I put a whole laptop in my fuggin pocket?

    5. Re: are you from the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Raspberry Pi, you fuggin moron!

    6. Re: are you from the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The car battery is a bit of a weight to lug around.

    7. Re: are you from the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linuxtard: It doesn't matter if it's useful or convenient as long it run Linux(TM).

    8. Re:are you from the past by lucm · · Score: 1

      Well, just tether a small Linux laptop (maybe running Tails?), and use it exclusively for any non-phone communication apps with a web browser and/or Linux apps?

      I used to carry a Chromebook but coming out of sleep they're slow to pick up on the wifi even if it's always the same, so they're not really convenient for mobile usage. There's no point in having instant boot if it takes a minute or two for internet to become available.

      Best distro I've found so far for a cheap laptop is Void, it boots up almost instantly (ssd). Probably because it's not using SystemD.

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      lucm, indeed.
  5. Illegal by ShakaUVM · · Score: 2

    This should be illegal.

    Seriously. If the EFF isn't the right group to go after Verizon, please let me know who is and I'll donate $100 to the cause.

    The doctrine of first sale should apply to cell phones as much as it applies to everything else. Our oligopolic mobile overlords have gotten away with being shitty corporations for way, way, too long now.

    The saddest line ever penned by man was Stallman was right again.

    1. Re:Illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How much different is this other step to a police state?

      https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/for-sale-your-private-browsing-history/

    2. Re:Illegal by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

      It should, but didn't your government just vote in a new law yesterday essentially make this perfectly legal?
      Just move country...

    3. Re:Illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately... "Where to" is the question... EU isn't 'really' any better on this than US. Hell in the EU you can copyright a database of factual information... so your mobile carriers could say you are breaking DRM because you aren't allowing them access to their copyrighted material... or some such BS like that...

      Sadly the US's 1st amendment still holds more power than most other things in other countries, and our current political climate aside... is still very useful.

    4. Re: Illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, this has always been legal. They passed a bill to ensure it remains legal. It is still a shitty bill, but is keeps the exact shitty status quo and no other thing.

    5. Re:Illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately your politics are already owned by Google, Apple, Microsoft and telco operators. There is absolutely no way the corporate dictated spyware would become illegal in USA.

  6. This is why I'll never use Verizon or Sprint by Octorian · · Score: 1

    Stuff like this makes me glad I only use unlocked phones I buy from a source other than the carrier. (Often the phone manufacturer, or a mostly-direct reseller.) Unfortunately, that means the only major carriers in the US I can now ever use are AT&T and T-Mobile. But then again, its nice to be able to use any device I want on a carrier that doesn't have the technical means (due to an uncommon network technology) to be a jackass about devices.

    1. Re:This is why I'll never use Verizon or Sprint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Often the phone manufacturer, or a mostly-direct reseller.)>/quote>

      So ... often directly ... or indirectly. Wow. You covered every possible option there: direct, or not! Great job.

    2. Re:This is why I'll never use Verizon or Sprint by jenningsthecat · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, that means the only major carriers in the US I can now ever use are AT&T and T-Mobile. But then again, its nice to be able to use any device I want on a carrier that doesn't have the technical means (due to an uncommon network technology) to be a jackass about devices.

      And how long do you think this situation will last? Every major corp in the world is looking to rape your privacy - AT&T and T-Mobile probably aren't far behind in locking down everything, in spite of "uncommon network technology". I predict that within two years unlocked bootloaders will be a thing of the past, simply because providers will check on bootloader status and deny access to any phone that hasn't drunk their Kool-Aid.

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    3. Re:This is why I'll never use Verizon or Sprint by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I predict that within two years unlocked bootloaders will be a thing of the past, simply because providers will check on bootloader status and deny access to any phone that hasn't drunk their Kool-Aid.

      I predict that is a lot of bollocks. We're ostensibly getting the right to repair cellphones for three years. It's going to be at least three. :)

      Seriously though, some manufacturers will keep selling phones with unlocked bootloaders as long as we nerds keep telling people not to buy phones with locked bootloaders. So GET THE WORD OUT.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    4. Re:This is why I'll never use Verizon or Sprint by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      Seriously though, some manufacturers will keep selling phones with unlocked bootloaders as long as we nerds keep telling people not to buy phones with locked bootloaders. So GET THE WORD OUT.

      I keep trying to get the word out. But even among my (admittedly few) nerd friends, unlocked bootloaders are uncommon. One friend uses his personal phone so seldom that it's not worth his effort, and he has no choice in his work phone. Another two have either dumb phones or feature phones - they're probably the most sensible ones. Another likes his old Blackberry, while yet another is all Facebooked up and doesn't care about privacy anyway. As for non-nerd friends, I can't even get them to run ad blockers in their browsers, and they are all on Facebook as well; they don't know what a bootloader is, and wouldn't care if they did. I figure the consumer market is like politics - we get both the products, and the governments, that our neighbours deserve.

      On a different but related note, do you ever get the sense that 'Snow Crash' might be a little bit prophetic?

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    5. Re:This is why I'll never use Verizon or Sprint by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      On a different but related note, do you ever get the sense that 'Snow Crash' might be a little bit prophetic?

      Stephenson remains probably my favorite author. Both it and its sequel The Diamond Age (Chiseled Spam!) give eerily plausible views of the future.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    6. Re:This is why I'll never use Verizon or Sprint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think there will be pushback on this. I would not be surprised if the EU actually steps in and starts demanding unlocked/unlockable bootloaders the same way they put their foot down on every device having its own special charger connector. Yes, Brexit has hurt the EU, but they are still the most open and biggest trading bloc in the world, so whatever they say echos worldwide.

      Then, there is China's trading bloc. They don't want Western companies slurping up data that they could be having, so they might step in as well.

      Of course, here in the US, there is the entire anti-Trump/anti-corporatist movement which is starting to gain steam.

  7. Verizon didn't waste any time... by rnturn · · Score: 1

    ... beginning the deployment of this tool, eh? I guess they figure that the popular vote loser's signature is a sure thing and income from that customer data will be rolling in just in time for the next quarterly conference call with the Wall Street analysts.

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  8. Choose the samsung model(I'll explain why) by gl4ss · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, seriously, hear me out.

    1) Choose the samsung model
    2) sign up for samsung MDM developer program.
    3) get your free samsung mdm developer key.
    4) write a small app to disable the package/firewall it.
    5) profit? maybe if the subsidy from verizon was worth it. VERY DOUBTFUL.

    or alternately buy package disabler or some other 1 dollar app that does _Exactly_this_. if you have ever wondered how some of these 1 dollar app disablers manage to do their thing without rooting, this is how. it's free to get the key to do it on limited amount of devices from samsung though, but it's stupid that you can't just approve it locally without signing up as a mdm developer with samsung(totally free, mind you).

    or just use a different operator with byod and decent rates. you might have to move outside of usa to achieve this though.

    Android has the facility for user to give permissions for apps to do device management, BUT there pretty much isn't a single manufacturer that ships phones where it works as you would expect. on samsung for example you need to use their special api to get permission from KNOX and then you ALSO have to have the permission given to the app by putting it as a device admin app).

    *) there are some app packages on the samsung phones that ignore enabled/disabled setting. also none of the package managers on market currently let you disable specific activities/services of an app WHICH THE API LETS YOU TO DO(you can for example break youtubes ads by playing around with this). the samsung mdm api's also give you access to the built in firewall rules and a bunch of other stuff you would normally need to root your phone for.

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    1. Re:Choose the samsung model(I'll explain why) by exomondo · · Score: 1

      I don't have modpoints (or a samsung device mind you) but kudos on a viable solution. Has anybody actually put an implementation of such a program on github for people with samsung devices to use? That would lower the barrier to entry even further.

    2. Re:Choose the samsung model(I'll explain why) by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      I'm stuck on step 4.

  9. Late to the party ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... because they already got this, anyway.

    US Congress Votes To Shred ISP Privacy Rules

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    1. Re:Late to the party ... by rworne · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      And for all the years I've been prodded by Verizon to sign up for their rewards program that gives you points in exchange for data mining your usage. They leave the balance sitting there, tempting me whenever I log in.

      I should sign up and cash out all those points quickly before they shut it down, because there's no need for them to give up anything for this data now.

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    2. Re:Late to the party ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, apparently you are. The rules they just did away with never applied to wireless/phone services.

    3. Re:Late to the party ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      This, and this:

      Verizon offers me an extra 1GB free on my cap if I agree to allow them full access to EVERY GODDAM THING on my phone.

      Guess they'll be pulling that, too?

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  10. They misspelled... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Evil Launcher"

  11. buy your phone unlocked elsewhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you like Verizon then buy an unlocked phone elsewhere and THEN go to Verizon. I have Verizon and if I were to buy a new smart phones again (unlikely as it is truly a waste of money for our family) I wouldn't buy it from Verizon NOR stay with them.

  12. Who's to blame. by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dear Verizon,

    Fuck You.

    Oh, wait, how rude of me.

    Fuck You Very Much.

    I don't know who to blame more. Verizon, or their customer base who doesn't give a shit.

    Consumers, continue to enjoy your privacy ass-raping. You should enjoy it, because you support it.

    1. Re:Who's to blame. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They don't have to enjoy it, they're just indifferent toward it. They put their lives, photos, videos, location, associations, etc on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat, et al, carry phones that track their location (this is the case even with dumbphones), send unencrypted traffic (including email) over the public internet and have done this for years (in most cases closing in on 2 decades). You have to understand that from their point of view, at this point the privacy fear mongerers are starting to sound a lot like the Year of the Linux Desktop crew.

      Bad things can happen no matter what, people aren't going to live in fear of what might happen to the degree that they don't share anything and instead try and be an anonymous, unidentifiable part of society.

      I agree that the level of privacy violation is out of control nowadays but the net effect on the average person is zero so obviously they don't care.

    2. Re: Who's to blame. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they are ignorant of it.

    3. Re:Who's to blame. by geekmux · · Score: 1

      ...Bad things can happen no matter what, people aren't going to live in fear of what might happen to the degree that they don't share anything and instead try and be an anonymous, unidentifiable part of society.

      I agree that the level of privacy violation is out of control nowadays but the net effect on the average person is zero so obviously they don't care.

      This bullshit is being forced by corporations because they know their user base doesn't care. They're "indifferent". Well fuck it, why would corporations stop? Ever? Next up, RFID implants. Medical companies will want to track everything in the human body. Of course they'll say it's "for science", but the reality will be personalized health care rates that would make Wall Street HFT look slow. Real-time revenue increases? Sure, why not. After all, consumers are "indifferent" about their health.

      Next up, Personal drones assigned to you from insurance companies, always monitoring you for risky activities that they could charge you more for. This invasive mentality will never stop, because humans are "indifferent" about being treated like a product. This isn't living in fear about the unknown. This is not giving a shit and allowing it to happen. It's pathetic.

      I said before I really don't know who to blame. I stand corrected. It's rather obvious.

    4. Re:Who's to blame. by houghi · · Score: 3, Funny

      It is funny that you compare privacy with intercourse, because privacy is a bit like your virginity. You can only lose it once, won't be able to get it back and you are fucked when you give it away.

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    5. Re:Who's to blame. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In many cases, the customer really has no choice. In my area, Verizon is the only carrier that provides coverage. I *could* get AT&T, but my phone would not work in 90% of the places I go. Secure, but useless.

    6. Re:Who's to blame. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is already happening. A few years ago, I had a photo taken of me in a humidor, and it was tossed on Facebook.

      A week later, my health ins co sent me a snail mail letter demanding I take a physical with a blood test, or pay smoker's rates.

    7. Re:Who's to blame. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but then Google comes in and takes your anal virginity with a spiked dildo in a color of your choosing.

      Why should there be a monopoly on privacy rape?

  13. Evie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In security textbooks we usually talk about Alice, Bob, sometimes Charlie, as the communicating parties, and usually use Eve as name for an eavesdropping attacker.

    Nice, they at least call this app what it is.

  14. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Huh. Right after Republicans passed a law allowing providers to sell consumer data without permission.
    Really makes you think.

    1. Re:Hmmm by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Yup. I wonder how much Verizon had to spend to buy that law so they could ship this "tool".

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  15. At what point do people revolt? by Hans+Lehmann · · Score: 0

    At what point do people start sabotaging Verizon's equipment? At what point do people start insinuating threats to any of their neighbors that happen to work for Verizon? An what point do people erect a guillotine for the CEO and board members of Verizon? Not for a long, long time, if ever These things will continue until then.

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    1. Re:At what point do people revolt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's time for backhoes, skid steers, and some unfortunate accidents to happen to major equipment. The should have happened when the supercookie was discovered.

  16. CarrierIQ says otherwise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    They do care. As soon as they found out about CarrierIQ (the very same functionality from the very same Telcos), there was an outrage and carriers were forced to removed it.

    Anti malware is the biggest selling Windows app, people pay to remove the malware, and people moved away from Internet Explorer and its millions of toolbars.

    Bonzai buddie died in 2004 more than a decade ago.

    1. Re:CarrierIQ says otherwise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bonzai buddie died in 2004 more than a decade ago.

      The fad died out, but after enormous success. It didn't die out because it was spyware, it died out because people moved on to the next fad.

      How can you tell this? By looking at what people do now and have done ever since 2004. They buy devices with any amount of spyware at all.

      It isn't that they want it so much as it just is not a factor for them either way. If something is a few dollars cheaper or has some other minor advantage that will always win out.

  17. huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always buy used phones and custom rom them. Good ones that last and can be rooted. Buy your sim from verizon and you're good. Or maybe not, since last issue with them was injecting advertising IDs into your http headers.

  18. Not Mine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Verizon's spyware won't get on my phone. I rooted the thing specifically to avoid updates. This should be a lesson to anyone who still buys the "install all updates" bullshit, although if they haven't been paying attention to Windows 10, they're probably not going to learn from this, either.

    Mind you I still don't think they should be doing this, and I think it's a gross invasion of privacy. But, I've taken some steps to protect myself and it's a lot better than doing nothing, at least, until I can change providers.

  19. They will take it off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When no one buys their shit.
    If everyone still does they deserve what happens.

  20. AFWall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just root your phone and put AFWall+ on it. It's available from FDroid. It allows you to block internet access to any app.

  21. Disable the app by Tomahawk · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most system apps can be disabled in Settings.

    Go to Setting / Apps / AppFlash
    Press the Disable button. It will appear where the Uninstall button normally appears, but for apps that cannot be uninstalled.

    1. Re:Disable the app by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Most, but not all. What's the betting line on which category this app falls into?

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  22. Verizon Android Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It doesn't seem like my vanilla Nexus 5x that I purchased directly from Google and activated on the Verizon network will fall under this category.
    I highly doubt that Verizon can remotely install anything on a phone purchased outside of their standard phone line up.

  23. One more reason to say Fuck Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They lost me as a customer following the V720 Bluetooth crippling fiasco. Add all their nickel-and-diming tactics, their hyper-aggressive overbranding of hardware, their massive amounts of bloatware, their constant preaching of how great they are, and now this.

    I'll continue to not be a customer, thanks.

  24. Typo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's "Evil Launcher", not "Evie Launcher".

  25. Who buys phones from carriers anymore? by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

    You don't buy a TV from the cable company, you don't buy a computer from your ISP, so why should you buy a smartphone from your carrier?
    The subsidized phone model is a relic from the pre-smartphone days and more and more people are turning away from it.

    So buy your own phone full price and if you like Verizon, get an unsubsidized plan from Verizon.

    1. Re:Who buys phones from carriers anymore? by Bruinwar · · Score: 1

      At $30 a month for 24 month "subscription" for an S8 there are no subsidies offered from Verizon. S7? $24 for 24. AT&T is the same only they spread theirs over 30 months. Subsidies appear to be gone for the most part.

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  26. Perfect choice of name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Evie... it's almost evil.

  27. April Fools is not until Saturday? by thunderclees · · Score: 1

    Just another reason to drop Verizon.

    What is actually odd is that they are being so blatant about it. How hard would it be for them to surreptitiously do this and really do you think they are not doing this already.

    Does anyone actually use Evi(L)e launcher?

  28. Business/Medical Concerns by TheHawke · · Score: 1

    What is vzw going to do about business account holders? The laws known as HIPPA and Sarbanes/Oxley will drop the hammer on vzw's toes for this one. I know of more than a few business accounts that will get terminated once this hits the bricks.

    And so will a vzw rep for suggesting this in the first place.

    We're talking million-dollar business accounts here folks...

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  29. On android by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 2

    Is an app called "noroot firewall"
    You can block off specific programs from accessing the network. Pretty handy for ad blocking in appls and other things.

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  30. Don't like it? Use something else by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    THEIR network...their rules. Don't like it? Go somewhere else. Oh, that would be at&t, sprint, t-mobile? Don't like it? Build your own network. Personally, I use an MVNO...yeah, "technically" I use at&t's towers, but for less than 1/2 the price.

  31. Re:Don't like it? Use something else by TheHawke · · Score: 1

    That's exactly the point. Those million dollar business accounts will grow legs and walk across the street, something vzw does not want to happen. If vzw insists on maintaining this course, it's vzw's fault, no one else's.

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  32. just get an iphone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    u stupid fucking nerds