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This Year's H-1B Visa Applications Look A Lot Like Last Year's (newsweek.com)

"This year's round of H-1B visa program applications was scheduled to launch Monday, and it was largely absent of President Donald Trump's proposed policy changes," writes Newsweek. An anonymous reader quotes their report: The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services last updated its online page dedicated to the program, which granted visas to skilled foreign workers, Wednesday with the rules mostly similar to those of last year and quotas remaining the same. These requirements were set to launch despite Trump's vow to reform the program on the grounds that companies exploited it to fill jobs once held by U.S. citizens who earned higher wages.

An alleged draft of an executive order was leaked last month and widely circulated, raising fears that the administration was preparing to gut the program. These measures were never announced. "There was a window in which the White House could have made serious reforms," Russ Harrison, head of government relations for the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers-USA, told The Wall Street Journal. "For whatever reason, they decided not to take it."

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  1. Sell out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Imagine that, trump sold out his voters.

    1. Re: Sell out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not even 100 days yet. He's already accomplished more than I expected from a full 4 years of Jeb. And we don't have a hot war with Russia like we would have had with Hillary. Things are great.

    2. Re: Sell out by fluffernutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You know 'golf' and 'accomplishment' are not synonyms, right?

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    3. Re: Sell out by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You DO know there is a REASON why there is an electoral college, yes? That it was designed for precisely this purpose where the majority of states say "we do not want this person" only for the two most populated states to say "tough shit we don't care what you think" and getting to rule in perpetuity?

      Whether you like it or not when HRC announced her candidacy her approval rating? 15%. After a year and a half of the media throwing themselves at her feet, actually running their stories by her for her approval AND if that wasn't enough the DNC actually rigging the primary in her favor? After all of that and hundreds of millions spent trying to sell her her approval rating was....14%.

      Lets face it Hillary Clinton was a lying backstabbing arrogant money grubbing influence peddling insider that could have been beaten by the corpse of Richard Nixon, she was THAT hated by the majority of the country. There was literally not a worse possible candidate that could have been chosen by the insiders and her "Its her turn" campaign slogan just showed how fucking arrogant she was and sealed the deal. ironically it was Hillary herself that told the media to push Trump as he was a "pied piper candidate" that, again because she was so fucking arrogant, she thought she could easily defeat by dividing the country up into nice neat little demographics and using some pandering so obvious Ray Charles could see through it basically buy votes. Her "basket of deplorables" was her final Willie Horton that insured she would lose, NY and CA would of course give her the popular vote because....well they would vote for a crackhead for POTUS if they had a D after their name which again shows EXACTLY why we cannot go by the "popular vote" because it would allow 2 states to dictate to the other 48 who was in the White House no matter what the 48 thought.

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    4. Re: Sell out by blindseer · · Score: 2

      I think of a sport analogy more like the World Series, points equals votes and games equals states. If if's team HRC vs team DJT and you get a score like 9-1, 9-1, 9-1, for wins for HRC followed by DJT wins by 3-4, 3-4, 3-4, 3-4 then team DJT wins 4 games to HRC's 3 wins. HRC got 39 total point compared to DJT having 15. Quite the spread there in points and one might argue that team HRC is in fact the better team based upon that. The narrow wins by DJT can be considered flukes, luck, and this can bring doubt on them being "worthy" of getting the trophy.

      What I think has happened is that team DJT understood the goal better, they knew the rules. A defeat in a game is a defeat regardless of the point spread. What counts are the wins, even if the win is by a small margin.

      What we've been seeing through the election is a large number of national polls which showed HRC ahead. This, IMHO, influenced the election, which was the intent. What the polling places wanted to do is create an image in the people's minds of a HRC win. I believe this actually worked against them. The less informed voter saw these numbers and thought HRC would win and this discouraged HRC voters to show, because if there are enough votes then she wins anyway.

      The informed voter, on the other hand, would take a closer look at the numbers and find where in the demographics DJT was weak. DJT went to rally in places where doing so would have the best chance of changing people's minds. HRC went around to places that she'd already won and tried to get her old base motivated to vote, they didn't see to care about getting more people, only to have their traditional voter base to show up.

      This tactic by both parties made the national polling look good for HRC but that is not how the election works. We don't vote as a nation, we vote as a federation. It was only near the end when team HRC saw that they might not have enough states to win that they tried making up for their bad strategy. HRC at some point figured out that it's states that need to be won, not votes, but by then it was too little too late.

      I hear team HRC complain about the loss. I've also seen team DJT respond that if the rules were different then they'd have played a different game, and likely still won. We cannot change the rule is the middle of the game because it makes one team look bad. Part of the game is knowing the rules.

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  2. Why is this bad? by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The story is framed as bad but isn't it better that they take some time to craft a reasonable update to the policy? Trump has been president just a bit over two months now!

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    1. Re:Why is this bad? by Medinole · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Trump announced his presidential campaign in June of 2015 and came into office with the established policy of putting American workers first. He and his team have had over a year to "craft a reasonable update to the policy". Trump was elected on the promise that he would get to work for America on day one, not get elected then figure out how things work. The administration should have started action on H1B in January.

    2. Re:Why is this bad? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A reasonable update to the policy would be something very simple like requiring a minimum wage of H1-B workers to be $150K (adjusted for inflation). It's very simple because doesn't take much to deal a fatal blow to abuse while keeping it available for the people that it was originally intended to help bring into the country.

      Everything we've seen so far from the Mango in Chief has only benefitted businesses, the wealthy and bigots at the expense of everyone and everything else.

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    3. Re: Why is this bad? by Medinole · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please. I didn't say legislate. This is about having a policy which can be implemented by Congress. The Congress which is controlled by Republicans in the House and Senate. The Republicans who are led by Trump. Any major legislation which gets passed will be, at a minimum, strongly influenced by the President.

    4. Re:Why is this bad? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The story is framed as bad but isn't it better that they take some time to craft a reasonable update to the policy? Trump has been president just a bit over two months now!

      You speak as if he's actually been busy on this for the past few months. While an early draft EO in January mentioned H1-B reform, since then Trump's ADHD has brought all progress to a halt.

      There is huge support in Congress for cracking down on H1-B abuse- this is one of those rare issues where which both parties agree. But actually getting something accomplished takes time away from tweeting, golfing, and monitoring Fox and Friends for intelligence updates. In desperation Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) went on twitter himself two weeks ago and begged for Trump to call his office about H1-B reform. One tweet read "I've been waiting for six yrs for a president interested in fixing H1B and that person has finally arrived/DRAIN SWAMP". Six down, four to go!

    5. Re:Why is this bad? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think he just assumed that government was like a large business empire, with him as the CEO. Replace some staff with his family and friends, do a few deals, everyone thinks they are getting rich, problem solved.

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    6. Re:Why is this bad? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I totally agree. That's why I think all the various "scandals" are taking his administration by surprise. In the business world, you have to fuck up Enron or Madoff level before anyone really will say or do much about it. The US federal government is an entirely different game, one that he's trying to run like one of his businesses that have virtually no "over-site", no premade investigative bodies, no need to justify anything money related, and no one is really watching who you talk to or where you do business unless you really go to extremes. He's used to operating in the semi-dark, only beholden to himself and whomever his shareholders might be. Shell companies, business with Russia, none of that mattered before he stepped into the biggest spotlight on the planet, the US Presidency.

    7. Re:Why is this bad? by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2

      Actually, his own party (Freedom Carcass) and the Judicial branch have been blocking everything. There just aren't enough Democrats in Congress to stop much of anything. The Democrats didn't even get a chance to vote on the "new healthcare". Everything else he's done is via executive order. The only thing he has accomplished is chaos and a YUGE drop in international standing for the US.

  3. Told ya so by Billly+Gates · · Score: 5, Informative

    He only wanted your votes. He hires Mexicans to build his properties and uses shady contractors to cut costs doing so maintaining them.

    Joke is on you for thinking he would be different. You can't be pro automation and pro free market and libertarian and cry wahaha it's not fair ai have to compete too?

    1. Re:Told ya so by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Joke is on you for thinking he would be different. You can't be pro automation and pro free market and libertarian and cry wahaha it's not fair ai have to compete too?

      Most Trump voters are none of those things, although most of them they like to claim that they are in favor of a free market. In reality, they want a market which is manipulated in their favor, and the next guy can go fuck himself. Trump voters could not possibly be farther from supporting the free market.

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    2. Re:Told ya so by Billly+Gates · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They support the free market unless it applies to them. They want the government to bud out and have open competition and less regulation ... Except at the factory they work at.

      But my post was referring to slashdotters who say vote for Trump as Clinton is not on your side on with h1b1 visas. Then in the next story the same posters go on how the free market dictates no increase in minimum wages and that automation increases jobs

  4. Wow, once again he goes above and beyond by TimothyHollins · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wait, are you telling me that once again Trump *didn't* help his voters in favor of his rich business associates? You know, this together with the gutting of the FCC and the EPA almost, *almost*, makes me think that he's not trying that hard to make America great again.

    I know you can't see my face right now, but if you could, it would have a look of surprise.

  5. Re:#MAGA by epyT-R · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No. I don't want to keep that in mind. Indians should fix India. I see little reason to give a damn that Indians can't be bothered to take a shot at a first rate society while they leech ours, driving down our standard of living.

    The program is repeatedly lobbied for by these companies. It needs to go. That, or these companies should relocate to Mumbai and America should embargo their goods/services and release their patents to the public so that new startups can fill the void. Infosys and friends can see how well SaaS and other insanely overpriced abstract IT rubbish sell to people who can't keep the lights on and who think proper sanitation is shitting in fields and on beaches.

  6. Re:So now Trump is to blame for applications by darthsilun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh that patronizing response again. I don't remember your side "getting over it" when you were the losers. We got to look at your "Impeach Obama" bumper stickers and the rest of your crap for eight years.

    Guess what. We're not going away. So you can just Shut The Fuck Up with your "get over it" crap. We're totally going to be in your fucking face for the next 45 months. Get used to it.

  7. Re:Thats the free market..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everybody knows it is not about "better" candidates, it is about "cheaper" candidates. You are nothing but an Infosys, TCS, [fill in any staffing agency here] shill.

    STFU

  8. Re:Thats the free market..... by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why do slashdotters hate government clampdowns on freedoms except when it comes to H1B visas? I fucking hate the hypocrisy of it all.

    Unrestrained capitalism is frankly an insane idea. What businesses are allowed to do should be well regulated to prevent disastrous outcomes like rivers catching fire. What people want is the government to keep them safe from corporations that frankly wouldn't mind if you died suffering as a direct result of their actions. What people don't want is the government interfering with the civil liberties of individuals.

    If you have a problem with H1B tech workers then make yourself a better candidate, FFS.

    If you bring the individual worker having to compete on a global scale to it's logical conclusion, it means that Americans have accept the lowest standard of living of any country. That doesn't seem like a good thing for anyone but the rich.

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  9. Re:So now Trump is to blame for applications by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Putting an "Impeach Trump" bumper sticker on your car won't get it keyed - it takes no balls to do that.

    But putting a "Darwin" fish on my first car (a 1960 Dodge Dart) was enough to get my car scratched up by the fuckhead who stole it, presumably because they were offended that I put some reality on the back of a classic American car.

    Get it straight, if conservatives had balls, they wouldn't be afraid of equality.

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  10. Re:#MAGA by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm happy to take a lower salary if it helps people out in the slums of India.

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  11. Re:#MAGA by LifesABeach · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So it's OK for dad to lie to Americans? And it's OK for dad's supervisors lie to Americans? Your dad isn't alone in taking my wrath. Our pinko and chief has said, "America First." H1B visas put America NOT first. I've worked with Ginness's, they don't need to be "trained" to do their job. But for some magical reason, Disney's mickey mouse managers, and SoCal-Eddy's-Son have to train H1B visa holders, then the trainers are fired/lay-off/what-ever.

  12. Re:#MAGA by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Imagine this: you live in the slums in Mumbai. Your father goes thru trash every day, hoping to find tin cans to sell, and your mother tries to sell home-made bread on the market to feed all of your 6 brothers and sisters. Now you get the opportunity to get a three year degree in software engineering and go to the U.S. to work for a tech company. You have no clue about all the politics surrounding H1-B in the U.S., and you don't know that you will be grossly underpaid comparing to your American peers.

    Bullshit!!!!!

    You haven't actually talked to those Indians about their backgrounds.

    All those H1B Indians come from wealthy Indian families. Those dirt poor Indians simply don't have the opportunity to get a degree and get to the USA.

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  13. Re: #MAGA by backslashdot · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In that case nobody should ever emigrate anywhere.

    Why did your ancestors go to the country you are in now?

  14. Re:#MAGA by sit1963nz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, and while you keep shouting USA USA USA and USA First, the rest of the world will simply go USA last.

    Why should any other country take US made goods ?
    Its only worth $2 Trillion to the US economy

    Likewise, people from all around the world are avoiding the USA now, hundreds of billion is lost revenue from Tourists

    The USA makes up 4% of the worlds population and 20% of the worlds GDP, Asia makes up over 60% of the population, Chinas GDP is already bigger than the US and it will not be too many years before the EU is bigger too, and Asia is where all the consumer growth is, does the USA want to be locked out of that ? Tell us what happens when Apple, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Twitter, HP, Dell, Amazon, Walmart, etc etc etc get locked out of Asia, it may well be the Americans go to Asia to find jobs. Alibaba is already massively more profitable than Amazon.

  15. Re:So now Trump is to blame for applications by darthsilun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If progtards had brains, they wouldn't equate racial and sexual quotas with equality.

    Oh, we've gone from libtards to progtards. How droll. Shall I call you a conservitard in return? How about I just cut to the chase and call you a plain old retard? (Thanks to Twitler we're long past the need to be politically correct.)

    I'm happy to have you call me a libtard or a progtard because I know it means instead of spouting whatever tripe President Brannon, Kellyann, and Vladimir tell you to think, I can think for myself. I know my side doesn't need to resort to nonsense like gerrymandering election districts, or passing laws to inhibit and intimidate voters, or any of the other dirty tricks your side uses to rig elections. When your side stops that shit I'll start taking you seriously again. You and your side's "win at any cost even though we're the minority" mentality proves to me that you're morally bankrupt. And the fact that you post as AC just further confirms to me how broken you really are.

  16. Re:#WILLSAYIMADEITUPHAHATRAP by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Insightful

    they really are just like everyone else.

    I haven't heard of French parents scaling the walls of a school to help their kids cheat in exams.

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  17. That's not who's getting H1-Bs by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    they're the Indian middle class. I don't know why it's so hard for Americans to understand that India has a middle class. They're a country of over a billion people.

    These aren't refugees from poverty, they're mostly folks coming over here to take advantage of the currency differences with the plan to go back home with fat stacks of cash. A lot don't because they have kids, they kids put down roots and they stay around. But they're not escaping poverty. If you want those guys than ban the Indians are let the Syrians in. They're not just escaping poverty, they're escaping genocide.

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  18. Because Trump promised action day 1 by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    and he's got the power to do it via Executive Orders. He won the election by a hair's breath and part of that was tech workers who want their jobs back. It's not unreasonable to expect a man who's portrayed as a great negotiator and who's party controls a super majority in Congress could get some Executive Orders done. American Tech workers are suffering now. They don't want to wait another year, two or 4. If they wanted to be patient they could have thrown their lot in with Hilary.

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  19. That's the trouble by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    people want the government to keep _them_ safe. Them. No the other guy. The other guy just needs to work harder and stop leaching off them.

    The best quote I've heard in years came from a CNN pundit calling Rick Santorum to task over his opposition to Medicaid for the poor. She said Nobody's a Conservative when it comes to their family. She was right, too.

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  20. Re:#MAGA by epyT-R · · Score: 2

    You're free to donate if you choose. You shouldn't impose that choice on others.

  21. Focusing on the abuse? by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Problem is.... the H1B program is really only valuable to a company that plans on abusing it.

    If you're a typical small or mid-sized business with a need for technical employees, it doesn't make sense to try to hire foreigners who have thick accents / language barriers, as well as a work history that's often a total "unknown" (since you can't just skim a resume and get an idea of their skills and knowledge based on who they worked for previously -- because you're likely not that familiar with any foreign firms they worked for).

    I've worked my whole life in I.T. and know for a fact there are plenty of Americans with solid expertise in various parts of the field. I can barely imagine a scenario where nobody in America is competent in what's needed, while someone from over in India is just who they need? It's all about getting budget priced labor and nothing more.

    At the end of the day, sure -- we're all human beings and have similar wants, needs, and hopes / desires. You can make an appeal to emotions about someone, anywhere in the world, who is in an unfortunate situation. But most of those are the result of the government their country is ruled by. America, for all of its faults, is still pretty good about ensuring its citizens enjoy a top-tier lifestyle. That doesn't mean we "owe" it to everyone else on the planet who'd like to come here and get in on the action.

  22. But but but by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Funny

    But but but Trump said he was going to "eliminate" or "radically scale back" the H1-B program. Don't tell me he was fibbing!

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  23. Re:#MAGA by blindseer · · Score: 2

    Have you considered the possibility that lowering the number of technology workers coming to the USA from India would help India?

    Think about it this way, these people coming to the USA for work are supposed to be the best and brightest in the world. If they weren't the best in the world then employers would find someone better elsewhere. If these people leave India then we've now deprived India of their intelligence, education, and work ethic.

    These visiting workers might send money home for their family but that would not help India near as much as if they were doing this work in their home nation. While they are working in the USA they are mentoring people in the USA, depriving India further of their intelligence and education. If these people had stayed in India then they'd be training the next generation of technology workers, people that are currently living in the slums of India.

    For the sake of the people in India I believe we should stop importing workers from there. I'd be willing to have co-workers of lesser intelligence and education if it helps out people in the slums of India.

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  24. Re:Thats the free market..... by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 2

    Unrestrained capitalism is frankly an insane idea.

    It's interesting, really. Every time I see some left-winger bitching about the terrible effects of unrestrained capitalism or such they're actually bitching about cronyism, which is a very different beast.

    H-1B visas aren't issued by business. They're government interference in a market. In a truly free market (and we're really talking about "free markets" rather than "capitalism") there aren't enough tech people so the salaries go up until more people want to get into the field and it reaches a sort of stasis. In a cronyist environment there aren't enough tech workers and their salaries are too high so the cronyist whines to the government which then allows them to bring people from much poorer countries over at dramatically lower wages to kill two birds with one stone - lower the average salary and have more workers.

    Geeze. This is like right-wingers who think that drugs cause street gang violence.

  25. Re:#MAGA by computational+super · · Score: 2

    He actually meant that he's happier with you taking a lower salary.

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  26. And by NewYork · · Score: 2

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