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This Year's H-1B Visa Applications Look A Lot Like Last Year's (newsweek.com)
"This year's round of H-1B visa program applications was scheduled to launch Monday, and it was largely absent of President Donald Trump's proposed policy changes," writes Newsweek. An anonymous reader quotes their report:
The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services last updated its online page dedicated to the program, which granted visas to skilled foreign workers, Wednesday with the rules mostly similar to those of last year and quotas remaining the same. These requirements were set to launch despite Trump's vow to reform the program on the grounds that companies exploited it to fill jobs once held by U.S. citizens who earned higher wages.
An alleged draft of an executive order was leaked last month and widely circulated, raising fears that the administration was preparing to gut the program. These measures were never announced. "There was a window in which the White House could have made serious reforms," Russ Harrison, head of government relations for the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers-USA, told The Wall Street Journal. "For whatever reason, they decided not to take it."
An alleged draft of an executive order was leaked last month and widely circulated, raising fears that the administration was preparing to gut the program. These measures were never announced. "There was a window in which the White House could have made serious reforms," Russ Harrison, head of government relations for the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers-USA, told The Wall Street Journal. "For whatever reason, they decided not to take it."
Imagine that, trump sold out his voters.
The story is framed as bad but isn't it better that they take some time to craft a reasonable update to the policy? Trump has been president just a bit over two months now!
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Trump is a Businessman, he does what he is paid to do. Rich multi-national outsourcing companies clearly pay well to keep replacing American workers with third world minimum wage workers.
He only wanted your votes. He hires Mexicans to build his properties and uses shady contractors to cut costs doing so maintaining them.
Joke is on you for thinking he would be different. You can't be pro automation and pro free market and libertarian and cry wahaha it's not fair ai have to compete too?
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Imagine this: you live in the slums in Mumbai. Your father goes thru trash every day, hoping to find tin cans to sell, and your mother tries to sell home-made bread on the market to feed all of your 6 brothers and sisters. Now you get the opportunity to get a three year degree in software engineering and go to the U.S. to work for a tech company. You have no clue about all the politics surrounding H1-B in the U.S., and you don't know that you will be grossly underpaid comparing to your American peers.
Who would not take this opportunity with both hands?
I've worked with many Indian people on an H1-B, and my anecdotal evidence is that they really are just like everyone else. Some are good, some are a bit less. But all share the same hope and dreams of being able to permanently stay in the U.S. and doing it the legal way.
Instead of only discussing those pesky Indians taking American jobs, let's keep this in mind as well. Let's focus on the companies that are responsible for the abuse of the program. Southern California Edison, Disney, etc. Wipro and Infosys committing visa fraud. These are the bad guys, not Balu from Bombai.
I'm not a complete idiot... Some parts are missing.
Wait, are you telling me that once again Trump *didn't* help his voters in favor of his rich business associates? You know, this together with the gutting of the FCC and the EPA almost, *almost*, makes me think that he's not trying that hard to make America great again.
I know you can't see my face right now, but if you could, it would have a look of surprise.
Anyone from the nyc building trades will tell you Trump never ran a tight ship. His buildings are a confusing headache to work with and work in. He's an idiot, not a manager and certainly not a good business man. He just played one on TV.
That said the Visa program is yet another corporate scam. If they do get it together to "reform" it I'll be surprised that they were walking and chewing gum but it would be a good thing.
No. I don't want to keep that in mind. Indians should fix India. I see little reason to give a damn that Indians can't be bothered to take a shot at a first rate society while they leech ours, driving down our standard of living.
The program is repeatedly lobbied for by these companies. It needs to go. That, or these companies should relocate to Mumbai and America should embargo their goods/services and release their patents to the public so that new startups can fill the void. Infosys and friends can see how well SaaS and other insanely overpriced abstract IT rubbish sell to people who can't keep the lights on and who think proper sanitation is shitting in fields and on beaches.
Oh that patronizing response again. I don't remember your side "getting over it" when you were the losers. We got to look at your "Impeach Obama" bumper stickers and the rest of your crap for eight years.
Guess what. We're not going away. So you can just Shut The Fuck Up with your "get over it" crap. We're totally going to be in your fucking face for the next 45 months. Get used to it.
Everybody knows it is not about "better" candidates, it is about "cheaper" candidates. You are nothing but an Infosys, TCS, [fill in any staffing agency here] shill.
STFU
> No Trump voter voted for Trump based on promises of what would be done.
Are you kidding??
Survey after survey showed people supported Trump specifically because of what he promised to do - namely, to build a wall to stop illegal immigration, repeal Obamacare, prosecute Hillary and create jobs.
Whether America will be great after he does any or all of these things remains to be seen...
Why do slashdotters hate government clampdowns on freedoms except when it comes to H1B visas? I fucking hate the hypocrisy of it all.
Unrestrained capitalism is frankly an insane idea. What businesses are allowed to do should be well regulated to prevent disastrous outcomes like rivers catching fire. What people want is the government to keep them safe from corporations that frankly wouldn't mind if you died suffering as a direct result of their actions. What people don't want is the government interfering with the civil liberties of individuals.
If you have a problem with H1B tech workers then make yourself a better candidate, FFS.
If you bring the individual worker having to compete on a global scale to it's logical conclusion, it means that Americans have accept the lowest standard of living of any country. That doesn't seem like a good thing for anyone but the rich.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
Why do slashdotters hate government clampdowns on freedoms except when it comes to H1B visas?
Tee hee. You're cute, little guy.
I fucking hate the hypocrisy of it all.
Who the fuck are you?
Our company
What company? You and the other cowards? Cowards 'R Us?
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No. I don't want to keep that in mind. Indians should fix India.
UK fucks up India
UK spawns another nation
Indians go to that nation for jobs
epyT-R cries about it
Indians laugh.
I see little reason to give a damn that Indians can't be bothered to take a shot at a first rate society while they leech ours, driving down our standard of living.
That is what they are doing. The culture that spawned our culture shit on their culture, and now they're trying to get their shit back together. You can whine about the outcome all you like, but all you're doing is crying about how you can't shit on other people without consequences. You're still profiting from what the UK did to India, and you don't want to see it fixed.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Putting an "Impeach Trump" bumper sticker on your car won't get it keyed - it takes no balls to do that.
But putting a "Darwin" fish on my first car (a 1960 Dodge Dart) was enough to get my car scratched up by the fuckhead who stole it, presumably because they were offended that I put some reality on the back of a classic American car.
Get it straight, if conservatives had balls, they wouldn't be afraid of equality.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I'm happy to take a lower salary if it helps people out in the slums of India.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
No. I don't want to keep that in mind. Indians should fix India. I see little reason to give a damn that Indians can't be bothered to take a shot at a first rate society while they leech ours, driving down our standard of living.
The program is repeatedly lobbied for by these companies. It needs to go. That, or these companies should relocate to Mumbai and America should embargo their goods/services and release their patents to the public so that new startups can fill the void. Infosys and friends can see how well SaaS and other insanely overpriced abstract IT rubbish sell to people who can't keep the lights on and who think proper sanitation is shitting in fields and on beaches.
Exactly. Let these "best and brightest" fix their own country.
So it's OK for dad to lie to Americans? And it's OK for dad's supervisors lie to Americans? Your dad isn't alone in taking my wrath. Our pinko and chief has said, "America First." H1B visas put America NOT first. I've worked with Ginness's, they don't need to be "trained" to do their job. But for some magical reason, Disney's mickey mouse managers, and SoCal-Eddy's-Son have to train H1B visa holders, then the trainers are fired/lay-off/what-ever.
How much less would you be happy with?
10%?
50%?
Not having a job at all?
Source?
Where are you moving to?
If Indians really want their country back they should overthrow their corrupt, sell-out government and take it back. You've got a nice selective view of history, btw.
Perhaps you are but others may not be able to afford such a luxury.
Gotta love the hypocrisy. When Slashdotters talk about Mexicans, it's all "no human is illegal", "tear down the wall", etc. But when a brown person comes not to steal some redneck farmer's job, but their own hipster techie job, then suddenly locking down borders and deporting people becomes okay.
Bullshit!!!!!
You haven't actually talked to those Indians about their backgrounds.
All those H1B Indians come from wealthy Indian families. Those dirt poor Indians simply don't have the opportunity to get a degree and get to the USA.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Calm down, bro. We know your Dad owns a dealership.
Source? Infowars doesn't count.
I can't speak for the others, but I think people who are here illegally should be sent home and that the H1B program should be heavily modified or scrapped. Race has nothing to do with it.
In that case nobody should ever emigrate anywhere.
Why did your ancestors go to the country you are in now?
Funny, it takes about 150 people in a government team to craft a reasonable policy over 3 years, but you think a campaign team should be able to write several dozen in 2 years, while running the campaign? Let me guess, you "supported" Bernie but didn't actually get around to voting.
Yes, and while you keep shouting USA USA USA and USA First, the rest of the world will simply go USA last.
Why should any other country take US made goods ?
Its only worth $2 Trillion to the US economy
Likewise, people from all around the world are avoiding the USA now, hundreds of billion is lost revenue from Tourists
The USA makes up 4% of the worlds population and 20% of the worlds GDP, Asia makes up over 60% of the population, Chinas GDP is already bigger than the US and it will not be too many years before the EU is bigger too, and Asia is where all the consumer growth is, does the USA want to be locked out of that ? Tell us what happens when Apple, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Twitter, HP, Dell, Amazon, Walmart, etc etc etc get locked out of Asia, it may well be the Americans go to Asia to find jobs. Alibaba is already massively more profitable than Amazon.
If progtards had brains, they wouldn't equate racial and sexual quotas with equality.
Oh, we've gone from libtards to progtards. How droll. Shall I call you a conservitard in return? How about I just cut to the chase and call you a plain old retard? (Thanks to Twitler we're long past the need to be politically correct.)
I'm happy to have you call me a libtard or a progtard because I know it means instead of spouting whatever tripe President Brannon, Kellyann, and Vladimir tell you to think, I can think for myself. I know my side doesn't need to resort to nonsense like gerrymandering election districts, or passing laws to inhibit and intimidate voters, or any of the other dirty tricks your side uses to rig elections. When your side stops that shit I'll start taking you seriously again. You and your side's "win at any cost even though we're the minority" mentality proves to me that you're morally bankrupt. And the fact that you post as AC just further confirms to me how broken you really are.
I haven't heard of French parents scaling the walls of a school to help their kids cheat in exams.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
they're the Indian middle class. I don't know why it's so hard for Americans to understand that India has a middle class. They're a country of over a billion people.
These aren't refugees from poverty, they're mostly folks coming over here to take advantage of the currency differences with the plan to go back home with fat stacks of cash. A lot don't because they have kids, they kids put down roots and they stay around. But they're not escaping poverty. If you want those guys than ban the Indians are let the Syrians in. They're not just escaping poverty, they're escaping genocide.
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and he's got the power to do it via Executive Orders. He won the election by a hair's breath and part of that was tech workers who want their jobs back. It's not unreasonable to expect a man who's portrayed as a great negotiator and who's party controls a super majority in Congress could get some Executive Orders done. American Tech workers are suffering now. They don't want to wait another year, two or 4. If they wanted to be patient they could have thrown their lot in with Hilary.
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60-something million people tossed coins, and they all landed asshole side up?
Or perhaps the USA is full of time lords.
I'm sure you can come up with something even more ludicrous - without trying and without knowing.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
people want the government to keep _them_ safe. Them. No the other guy. The other guy just needs to work harder and stop leaching off them.
The best quote I've heard in years came from a CNN pundit calling Rick Santorum to task over his opposition to Medicaid for the poor. She said Nobody's a Conservative when it comes to their family. She was right, too.
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anyone else remember seeing "Don't re-nig"?
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his FOUR YEARS of dong things
I guess that's one way to look at it...
I'll take my chances. The current situation simply means most americans will end up being as poor and as miserable as most of the people in those countries you listed. If it's so great there those companies are welcome to try selling thousand dollar cell phones to people who make $2/week. I'll pass, thanks.
A better candidate or a cheaper candidate? I'm not willing to live with 6 people in a two bedroom apartment while working 60 hours a week.
Be honest, H1Bs are not about quality, they are about applying minimal talent on a mass scale. For the kind of results one would naturally expect when quantity is a quality all it's own.
Being protectionist / isolationist will achieve the same thing, just faster.
I think that the more recent immigrants from India want to eventually go back, but the ones who have been here a couple of decades are more likely to want to stay.
The Indian government doesn't make its expats welcome to return. India does not allow dual nationality, and full Indian citizenship is required for some things, including buying farmland. An Indian who returns to India without US citizenship must abandon his or her social security payments (you cannot receive Social Security when you retire if you are an Indian citizen living in India).
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
The people getting degrees are mostly coming from the new middle class, not the slums. The slums don't offer much opportunity for pre-university education and learning English.
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So will slavish acceptance of unchecked immigration.
You're free to donate if you choose. You shouldn't impose that choice on others.
Problem is.... the H1B program is really only valuable to a company that plans on abusing it.
If you're a typical small or mid-sized business with a need for technical employees, it doesn't make sense to try to hire foreigners who have thick accents / language barriers, as well as a work history that's often a total "unknown" (since you can't just skim a resume and get an idea of their skills and knowledge based on who they worked for previously -- because you're likely not that familiar with any foreign firms they worked for).
I've worked my whole life in I.T. and know for a fact there are plenty of Americans with solid expertise in various parts of the field. I can barely imagine a scenario where nobody in America is competent in what's needed, while someone from over in India is just who they need? It's all about getting budget priced labor and nothing more.
At the end of the day, sure -- we're all human beings and have similar wants, needs, and hopes / desires. You can make an appeal to emotions about someone, anywhere in the world, who is in an unfortunate situation. But most of those are the result of the government their country is ruled by. America, for all of its faults, is still pretty good about ensuring its citizens enjoy a top-tier lifestyle. That doesn't mean we "owe" it to everyone else on the planet who'd like to come here and get in on the action.
Gotta love those people who talk about something they do not even know anything about. Honestly, we did not have a single good option for President but Trump was not the best of the worst. The Republicans are going to run the country into the ground before we can recover from the mass corruption of the Republic Empire.
If techs didn't disagree with each other, then Microsoft would rule the world.
When the "free market" results in companies hiring Pinkerton men to kill protestors, and anyone against corporate murder is a "socialist", then yes, I'm a "socialist" and you should be too.
Learn to love Alaska
And avoid exposure of his russian connections.
how about those 2015 tax forms, while we are at it?
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
We got to look at your "Impeach Obama" bumper stickers and the rest of your crap for eight years... Get used to it.
Yeah, after listening to you crybabies saying "Shrub" stole the election for eight years, everyone is used to your whining already.
But but but Trump said he was going to "eliminate" or "radically scale back" the H1-B program. Don't tell me he was fibbing!
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Imagine this: you live in the slums in Chicago. Your father goes thru trash every day, hoping to find tin cans to sell, and your mother tries to sell home-made bread on the market to feed all of your 6 brothers and sisters. Now you get the opportunity to get a three year degree in software engineering and work for a tech company.
Who would not take this opportunity with both hands?
Every one in the US would like to take opportunity, but they can't because most of the available positions are filled with people from Mumbai.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
UK fucks up India
UK spawns another nation
You realize you have this chronologically backwards, right?
it will not be too many years before the EU is bigger too
That is highly doubtful. The UK is outright leaving with Netherlands and Denmark populace showing strong interest in doing the same, while Switzerland and Iceland both withdrew their applications. And as for the remaining states, Greece, Italy, and Portugal are all bordering on insolvent.
Time will tell. It maybe that those other countries will have growth opportunities made available because the UK has exited. I think that the UK is about to realise that things will not "keep calm and carry on", who knows, maybe Scotland will become part of the EU or part of Ireland and get into the EU that way. I really don't expect the USA to treat the UK any better no matter how much grovelling the UK PM does or how many Royals get whored out to meet Trump.
We don't want temporary guest workers, we want immigration. Bring them here permanently and make us stronger.
I'm not. Know why? Because if I take a lower salary, then my peers end up with lower ones, as they are pressured to stay at what is regarded as a market rate and it is much harder to get higher rates out of a company when you need it than it is to donate the money when you don't. At the same time there is this "Shortage of talented and trained professionals", we see massive layoffs in similar, or the same fields. We see that million plus dollar companies only need a relative handful of people.
But you know what really pisses me off? We also see that there are people who can't afford training, be it trades or college, while we work to import others to take jobs, rather than doing what through history, was a the sensible course of action, IE, paying for people to be trained in order to get enough of them. We have executives getting paid enough money that we could hire 200 people instead, and still pay the CEO 4X the average wage. In other words, work a single year as a CEO, and not only could you get a golden parachute, you, and one generation of descendants could live on that.
If you have enough money to pay CEO's that much, you have enough money to hire away workers from other firms if you need to, while paying people to attend training. Apprenticeships, and OTJ training work. India can dig itself out with their own efforts, and willingly given money, rather than by taking jobs for less than market rates, ruining the odds of getting living wages, and sending money home. Or else they could you know, figure out a way to have fewer people (Don't have kids, let them starve. sterilize people, don't care.). There are lots of solutions, and most don't require them to send their best and brightest to the US, or faking it either.
I see little reason to give a damn that Indians can't be bothered to take a shot at a first rate society while they leech ours, driving down our standard of living.
Here's the thing: One of the reasons you enjoy a privileged life in the west today is your forefathers ran roughshod over places like India, Asia, South America and the Middle and Far East - Extracting resources, using cheap labour, installing corrupt governments - You name it. America, Canada, the UK - Your way of life was built on the backs of the people in those parts of the world.
Surprisingly drinkypoo just literally illustrated the cuckolding of a nation
Even if that were true (it's not)...
and is happy about it.
point to where I said I was happy.
On the other hand, if we don't share our wealth with them, they will share their poverty with us. Perhaps we should find a way to do that which doesn't involve putting American citizens out on the street.
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Epy pleeease, immigrate to India
THIS IS GREAT!
The golden question is wether those nations can solve their problem.
Most of those people are only fleeing from themselves, and bringing their problems to other nations.
It's not even as much about quality as perception of quality.
I work for a SMB consultancy we've had success with exactly one Asian guy who is Korean by his parents, but in general is whiter than I am in every cultural respect.
The other non-whites have bombed because the clients hated them for mostly made-up reasons, but it kind of boils down to what do you do when your client wants a white male on the job.
Have you considered the possibility that lowering the number of technology workers coming to the USA from India would help India?
Think about it this way, these people coming to the USA for work are supposed to be the best and brightest in the world. If they weren't the best in the world then employers would find someone better elsewhere. If these people leave India then we've now deprived India of their intelligence, education, and work ethic.
These visiting workers might send money home for their family but that would not help India near as much as if they were doing this work in their home nation. While they are working in the USA they are mentoring people in the USA, depriving India further of their intelligence and education. If these people had stayed in India then they'd be training the next generation of technology workers, people that are currently living in the slums of India.
For the sake of the people in India I believe we should stop importing workers from there. I'd be willing to have co-workers of lesser intelligence and education if it helps out people in the slums of India.
I am armed because I am free. I am free because I am armed.
If you have numbers that show that, it would be interesting, but it isn't intuitively obvious.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
What about the people who aren't privileged enough to have the high-end education and class benefits to make $100k in IT but have still worked their entire lives to get what they have and develop amazing skillsets? What about the people in the $40k-$60k range in the small to mid-sized businesses who have now lost their niche due to overseas outsourcing to India for pennies on the dollar or at the very least are subject to greater abuse and reduced benefits due to the THREAT of being outsourced?
A lot of people making over $100k are safe. It's the working poor and lower middle class who are screwed these days.
The robin hood act is getting a bit old. That's an arbitrary number too. You don't know whether I make that much or not, or for how long, how much debt I might have accrued, how many dependents I have, or how much I've saved for retirement. It's quite selfish to suddenly impose a substantial tariff on everyone just so you can feel better about yourself/virtue signal to others how much you care. If you really give that much of a shit, donate your entire future income to them and move there to help build that New India. Somehow I bet you'd balk because, like most people, you're freer with other people's money and time than with your own.
Oh, that's the worst you can think of? What about the people who are literally slaves, living their lives carrying heavy loads in a brick kiln? What about them?
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Those guys were outsourced ages ago.
Hey, there's a reason it's called Slacker News.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
That's a horrible example. If Einstein had stayed in Germany, he would have been tortured or killed. Any economic gains from his work in America would have been completely lost. It was better for all the world, including Germany, that Einstein left Germany. If you're going to give a historical example, at least choose one that makes sense.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
So you want to help Indians get out of the muck by trading their places with low income americans? Like I said, maybe you should just pack up shop and move there. You're welcome to make that choice with your own life. You are not welcome to make that choice for others.
False dilemma. Actually, what I said was I don't agree with using force. That is not equivalent to selfishness.
Follow your own advice. If that's what you expect of others, go first. Show the world how it's done. Assuage your guilt at being 'rich'. Take the initiative and donate some large percentage of your future income to the relevant charities. I don't think you'd do it so why should anyone else?
You are not welcome to make that choice for others.
I don't think you understand how government works. Governments do exactly that every day: they make choices for people that they themselves wouldn't make, and don't want.
In other words, if the government agrees with me, then that choice will be made for others.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Actually, I think we both understand it quite well. Thankfully, you are not the government. The problem with these faux bleeding hearts is that they're always justifying why the take needs to be a greater percentage than last year. Then they wonder why the jobs go over seas to shitholes with no human rights in the first place.
Perhaps we should focus on why that is and fix it instead of opening the floodgates to people looking for quick handouts, people who hate everything our society stands for (or is supposed to stand for), and those who otherwise have no intention of integrating.
but all you're doing is crying about how you can't shit on other people without consequences.
How is declining visitors the same as "shit on other people"? Are you actually clinically insane, to equivocate in this manner, or are you simply attacking the posters character?
I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
It's likely your HR dept is more concerned with meeting racial quotas than hiring on relevant attributes like reading comprehension. I didn't say that Infosys management shits on beaches. I said that Indians do. Public defecation is quite common there because they've got nowhere else to go. Companies that outsource to save money typically end up paying 'insource' consultants multiple times what they paid originally to clean up the mess.
Like I said, try selling your overpriced services to people making $2/week and see how those sales figures look. If you're telling me you can find a glut of qualified workers in Mumbai while America is this barren wasteland of washouts, then move your whole operation there. What are you waiting for?
Look, the harsh reality is that every western government in the world needs 20-40 year olds to pile into their nations. Why? Because for the last 30 years politicians and corporations have made a succession of unrealistic pension promises to the current crop of workers, and those workers didn't have enough babies to pay for those promises in the future.
Your retirement contributions now pay for current retirees - not your future retirement. That will be paid for by whoever is working at the point you retire. It is a ponzi scheme that only works if your population continues to grow at the rate you are making outrageous promises to win votes. Unfortunately, most western nations stopped growing from natural population increases decades ago.
This is why, despite widespread anger about immigrants in almost all western countries, governments will not do anything about it. Look at the UK. A major reason for the Brexit fiasco was a desire by many to slash immigration, and yet the government refuses to commit to reducing it after Brexit. The reason they won't commit, is because they have decided that people would rather whine about immigrants than have their pensions slashed.
Trump will have seen the projected pension cost figures now. Even he will be able to conclude that stuffing the country with workers who the USA didn't have to pay the costs of raising and educating, is a remarkably good deal for the country. All he has to do now is make the right noises so that it appears he is doing something about it, then ultimately do very little.
Otherwise you'd try to refute your own null hypothesis -- perhaps the car wasn't stolen or defaced because of the Darwin emblem.
Right, that's why they removed the Darwin emblem. What a bullshit douchebag you are.
Unlike you, I require pics or it didn't happen.
Unlike you, I can see that someone damaged my car removing my Darwin fish, and put two and two together.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Unrestrained capitalism is frankly an insane idea.
It's interesting, really. Every time I see some left-winger bitching about the terrible effects of unrestrained capitalism or such they're actually bitching about cronyism, which is a very different beast.
H-1B visas aren't issued by business. They're government interference in a market. In a truly free market (and we're really talking about "free markets" rather than "capitalism") there aren't enough tech people so the salaries go up until more people want to get into the field and it reaches a sort of stasis. In a cronyist environment there aren't enough tech workers and their salaries are too high so the cronyist whines to the government which then allows them to bring people from much poorer countries over at dramatically lower wages to kill two birds with one stone - lower the average salary and have more workers.
Geeze. This is like right-wingers who think that drugs cause street gang violence.
Do you have ESP?
I don't have numbers, at least not all of them. Here's a few to consider, the average IQ in the USA is 98, in India it's 81.
I'm sure India has a lot of very smart people, if only because of their large population and the way the bell curve works. So even with an average IQ of 81 there's probably more geniuses in India than the USA. However, if the smartest people in India keep leaving for places like the USA then one can expect India to have a brain drain over time.
It would be in India's best interest to somehow keep these intelligent people in their borders.
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Unrestrained capitalism is frankly an insane idea.
It's interesting, really. Every time I see some left-winger bitching about the terrible effects of unrestrained capitalism or such they're actually bitching about cronyism
Which part of "disastrous outcomes like rivers catching fire" is about cronyism? You don't need corruption for unrestrained capitalism to be an insane idea. Secondly, why would you exclude cronyism from capitalism when laws and regulations become commodities that can be bought and sold? Cronyism is just a branch of capitalism.
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Who the hell ever said otherwise? Nothing makes it easier to make a point than to attack an argument that nobody is making.
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He actually meant that he's happier with you taking a lower salary.
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Casteism
"Politics is the art by which politicians get money from the rich and votes from the poor on the pretext of protecting each from the other" -- Oscar
Casteism
Because as long as even one person has less than you have, you don't deserver anything. You won't deserve anything until everybody has more than you have. Then you'll deserve something. Until you get it, and then there will be somebody with less than you again and you'll be back to not deserving anything.
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OP is a rich white kid who grew up in private schools and assumes that everybody else in America was the same.
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" maybe you should just pack up shop and move there. You're welcome to make that choice with your own life. You are not welcome to make that choice for others."
That was the same mentality used for centuries to keep women and minorities out of the workforce.
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That just sounds like the Flynn effect of education hasn't happened in India yet. They're a bunch of simple country people, still.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Bullshit!!!!!
You haven't actually talked to those Indians about their backgrounds.
All those H1B Indians come from wealthy Indian families. Those dirt poor Indians simply don't have the opportunity to get a degree and get to the USA.
Nope.
They are a mix of all backgrounds, mostly middle class, some upper-middle and some lower-middle. Just mostly depends on if their parents put them through engineering or medical school - because that's all US cares about: STEM immigrants.
Wealthy Indians would never leave India. Why would anyone leave from being the top class in a society to be the bottom rung in America?
Unrestrained capitalism is frankly an insane idea.
It's interesting, really. Every time I see some left-winger bitching about the terrible effects of unrestrained capitalism or such they're actually bitching about cronyism
Which part of "disastrous outcomes like rivers catching fire" is about cronyism? You don't need corruption for unrestrained capitalism to be an insane idea. Secondly, why would you exclude cronyism from capitalism when laws and regulations become commodities that can be bought and sold? Cronyism is just a branch of capitalism.
Cronyism is the antithesis of a free market. Capitalism can work quite well without cronyism. And you're creating a false-dichotomy. We can have good regulation, and there are plenty of good regulations out there. But cronyism is never good. We're talking about cronyism.
Do you have ESP?
Which part of "disastrous outcomes like rivers catching fire" is about cronyism?
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OP is a rich white kid who grew up in private schools and assumes that everybody else in America was the same.
You mean me, or the guy who posted "Trump Trump Trump"?
If you mean me, then no.
I grew up far from rich by most standards and I realized early on that even with my modest start, lots of people didn't have the opportunities I had.
Was I "rich" by Mumbai standards? Probably, but I didn't live in Mumbai...so I wasn't at any particular advantage in terms of "wealth" in my surroundings.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
In that case nobody should ever emigrate anywhere.
Why did your ancestors go to the country you are in now?
Because their home country had been overrun by Nazis and totally trashed.
Imagine this: you live in the slums in Mumbai. Your father goes thru trash every day, hoping to find tin cans to sell, and your mother tries to sell home-made bread on the market to feed all of your 6 brothers and sisters. Now you get the opportunity to get a three year degree in software engineering and go to the U.S. to work for a tech company. You have no clue about all the politics surrounding H1-B in the U.S., and you don't know that you will be grossly underpaid comparing to your American peers. Who would not take this opportunity with both hands? I've worked with many Indian people on an H1-B, and my anecdotal evidence is that they really are just like everyone else. Some are good, some are a bit less. But all share the same hope and dreams of being able to permanently stay in the U.S. and doing it the legal way. Instead of only discussing those pesky Indians taking American jobs, let's keep this in mind as well. Let's focus on the companies that are responsible for the abuse of the program. Southern California Edison, Disney, etc. Wipro and Infosys committing visa fraud. These are the bad guys, not Balu from Bombai.
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