Google Tackles Fake News With Global Fact-Checking Rollout (betanews.com)
Google is calling on fact-checking organizations to help it bust fake news -- but it's starting in a small way. From a report: Google's Fact Check feature is not new, but today the search giant is rolling out the feature around the world. A global rollout is important if such a tool is to have any real impact. It's all well and good have reports fact-checked on one side of the world, but it's of little use if the same fake stories remain unquestioned and untested elsewhere. Google is doing its part by making the Fact Check label available in Google News everywhere, and spreading it into search results in all languages as well. The Fact Check label has been around since October, providing an at-a-glance way to determine whether or not a particular story has been verified as true. Google admits that it will not be possible to fact-check every single search result it displays, and the company points out that it is not responsible for the actual fact-checking process.
Is this fact checking going to be like Politifact, which has said that an article or tweet is "mostly false" while saying that the facts it contains are true?
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
It's only fake when it comes from non-MSM sources and doesn't peddle the neocon talking points.
It tells you a lot about a company when they're more concerned about Fake News (TM) than they are about the advertising revenue they're receiving from a plethora of scammers that regularly bilk less technical folks out of piles of money, specifically seniors looking for phone numbers for well known companies.
Since they're not fact checking, this will depend entirely on how well they oversee the organizations who do. That ought to be a fun dive into governance issues.
It is very easy to lose trust. I can understand why they would want to do this---between meaningless news and fake news, it is already hard to learn about things that matter. But they are going to encounter legitimate scandals and legit-or-not accusations of bias. I hope they have a plan for dealing with this.
Fact checking is an essential piece of journalism. It addresses the same underlying issues as the replicability requirement for science---poor data collection, fraudulent claims, bias, etc.
This is an important function, and if Google cannot deliver it then I have to wonder who can.
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According to the latest ruleset, this post should be modded as Vorpal Flamebait +5.
Can't we just call it what it is: propaganda?
The Fact Check label has been around since October, providing an at-a-glance way to determine whether or not a particular story has been approved by the Ministry of Truth.
What exactly are facts when it comes to government anyway? A Spin Meter may be a more appropriate use of Google's time. Stating a single fact is one thing but when munged together, most things government deal with are so complex that anyone can pretty much spin things any way they like and still seem factual to one group or another..
Left leaning Politifact says Maddow, NBC, other MSM outlets *often* say things that are "half true" or worse.
I'll hold my breath waiting for them to be called Fake News.
Isn't this google using their almost total dominance of search to control the news industry? If a story happens to be true but doesn't fit with the narrative that google wants to put forth could it get burried?
It's not just about libertarian or conservative bloggers. What if an advertiser, let's say big agribusiness, doesn't want peta exposes of bad farms to be seen? Could that be labeled "fake news"?
Isn't it odd how every mainstream media outlet simultaneously adopted an identical narrative about "fake news" after the presidential election proved them to be utterly out of touch with what the average citizen wants?
It's almost as though traditional, corporate media companies are all directed by some single entity about how to report on certain topics.
Nah, couldn't be...
If google labels something untrue that is in fact true doesnt that open them to libel or slander suits? It doesn't matter who checked the facts because the statement, however it is indicated, is part of a google product.
...you're merely uninformed. If you do, you're misinformed.
Pick your poison.
The Ministry of Truth.
I don't see an entry for what probably most hurt Hillary's chances in the 2016 election. That is, she blamed a YouTube video for the 9/11/2012 terror attack on the U.S. ambassador to Libya and his staff in Benghazi.
I also do not see an entry for the oft repeated phrase "the Russians hacked the election."
There's a ton of hair splitting regarding statements made by Trump and other Republicans.
PolitiFact appears to be just another propaganda site. It's probably sponsored by the Russians with the intention of demoralizing Trump supporters (cf., ABC, CBS, *NBC, NYT, WP, LAT, PBS, ...).
In all seriousness:
Most media is alt-left libtard.
CNN and MSNBC are both masters at using a cherry picked set of facts to support a narrative. Other sources often do the same, just not to the same extent.
Using a very limited set of facts to support your position is called confirmation bias. People introducing additional facts to question the narrative are simply labeled "fake news". "Conspiracy theorist" is a bit dated, but that was the line pushed from the 60s or so. The people exposing CIA operations were labeled, yet we found through more facts that many nefarious operations did in fact exist.
Conspiracies are relatively common, yet the media has demonized the term so that people can't talk about them. This is despite knowing that the Mafia was and is a real group, US citizens have been and are being kept under surveillance illegally, etc...
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Will there be a truth detection algorithm? Who will be in charge of it? Will it be co-opted? By whom? Can't be just ban BadThink and make it punishable by banishment or death or something?
What if the fact checking is fake? Look at urbandictionary, I'd argue that less than half of the entries are accurate. It's a fake dictionary.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
I've got news for the corrupt DNC. Twitter was full of Hitlery hating Americans! Not Russians. Go look at the election results.
Their home state of AK only voted for that hag like 34%. No one likes her. She derailed Bernie. The DNC swears she had it in the bag.
Let us not forget, Hillary's Twitter feed was full of Hillary shills. Pumping propaganda to her brain dead followers. She never had any real support. Her rallies were small. No people. Rigged camera photos. In high school gyms while Trump was packing stadiums!
The DNC is fake news. Corrupt to the core...STILL!
Does Sarkeesian have an exclusive contract with Twitter?
How do you know that the "facts" are facts in the first place?
E.g. for some people existence of a god is fact, for some more enlightened people it is not. For some people IQ differences proven by studies in different groups is a fact, for some it is not. For some people (e.g. developers) 1+1 is a fact, for others (lawyer, sales folks, marketing drones) 1+1 is anywhere between -1 and 9 and 11 and 10000.
So no, google can't prove facts.
I can't wait to search for stuff along the lines of whistleblowers, hacking, uncomfortable truths, info on those who rule us and the such.
"Google, was wikileaks correct in declaring that Hillary Clinton sold weapons to and funded ISUS?"
"Google, did Obama kill thousands of children using drone strikes?"
"Google, did the MSM collude with Hillary to first nominate Trump then defeat him after the nomination?"
Hell lets go a little deeper.
"Google, is there any truth to the pizzagate scandal?"
"Google, did the amount of rapes and the viciousness of the attacks by refugees go up significantly in countries that welcomed them?"
"Google, is there a really a 'shadow government' that was alluded to by wikileaks?"
I seriously can't wait to try these.
Who's going to fact check the fact checkers?
They should start with fact-checking fake news like: "Women make 80% of what men do." or "Climate change threatens the future of humanity." or "Gun control reduces homicides." or "The welfare state helps people become productive members of society." or "Paying more for education than we do improves educational outcomes."
I suspect it isn't that kind of fake news that they are going to fact check.
This has a very fishy smell of censorship to it.
" The majority voted for Clinton"
Not according to the Electoral College, despite numbers.
Perhaps you should get rid of that bullshit, since obviously the popular side lost (Guess what happened when Hitler, the popular choice, got power?)
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Can we have a two minute hate next?
So, you suffer a severe deficit in reading comprehension. Interesting.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
There is a pretty high correlation to trump supporters and people who argue against fact-checking. Just saying.
Hillary lost the Electoral College, which is how _EVERY_SINGLE_PRESIDENT in US History has been elected. We do not elect Presidents by popular vote, and never have. The reason for this is solid, and I can only recommend you do your homework instead of repeating bullshit talking points handed down by people who LOST the election. (Not unique to this batch, but this is certainly the worst I can recall).
Following the law is not a "technicality", it's called LAW. Your ignorance of the law demonstrates a big problem with the left.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
If she was so hated why did she win the popular vote by several million?
I've sometimes heard leftism described as a "mental disorder". I never really gave that claim much credence until I read your comment.
After seeing the amount of delusion in your comment, I can now see how leftism could be considered a type of mental disorder. It's like you've gone out of your way to ignore all aspects of reality, and you've substituted in your own perverted, twisted sense of what's "real".
Pretty much every single sentence you wrote is wrong. If you haven't denied reality outright, then you've twisted reality so badly that it no longer resembles reality at all.
Normal people don't twist reality like you have done. What you've done comes off as really, really abnormal.
...screams every right-winger simultaneously.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
Dead people typically dont vote republican.
AK? Their home state of Alaska? You'd think they'd have a better copy/paste script for you to work from for your baseless rants.
You should try letting go. Go to step seven. you are at 3 and might need to get your script reupped.
http://www.recover-from-grief.com/7-stages-of-grief.html
You're not allowed to ask that question.
Then why did Comey admit that RUSSIANS sourced the hacks?
More lies by the rightards
Good thing republicans make up for it by voting early and voting often.
Proof of dead voters REQUIRED when you say those lies chump!
"Well, Google fact-checked it, it HAS to be truthful."
What grief?
A fraud took the office thanks to Electors refusing to obey the Constitution.
That isn't a grief, that's a grievance.
She did best in states with hackable voting machines and no paper trail.
Notice how the right trolls are out in force claiming fact checking is biased therefore must not be done?
Knew this was coming
Can't win the argument, lie about the evidence.
> There is a pretty high correlation to trump supporters and people who argue against fact-checking. Just saying.
There's a pretty high correlation between lib-left (Clintons and Dems) and people who argue for internet gatekeeping... just saying.
The lib-left loves their lapdog MSM...
* The same lapdog MSM that kept quiet despite knowing that JFK was screwing more women than Bill Clinton could ever dream of.
* The same lapdog MSM that suppressed the story of Bill Clinton's sexcapades.
Actually, if the MSM had broken the Clinton/Lewinsky story, Matt Drudge would've remained a nobody. Instead, the Clinton/Lewinsky story proved that the MSM couldn't be trusted, and that "alternate media" (e.g. Drudge Report) was more reliable at times. The MSM have only themselves to blame for people trusting alternate media more than MSM.
Just as they love their lapdog MSM, the lib-left hate/fear "alternate media". http://www.breitbart.com/big-j...
> Three years before Matt Drudge changed the world and how news
> would be consumed, President Bill Clinton's White House feared
> that the Internet was allowing average citizens, especially conservatives,
> to bypass legacy gatekeepers and access information that
> had previously been denied to them by the mainstream press.
Like husband, like wife; fast-forward to 2016... http://dailycaller.com/2016/08...
> Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton's campaign has sent out a
> fundraising email arguing the website Breitbart News has no "right to exist,"
> and suggests that if elected, the website will be shut down entirely.
I'm not repeating myself
I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
No bias there.
Seems rather nefarious to have a single entity that determines its own sources as being true, and then use those same sources to determine whether or not other sources are true. What would stop Google from false-flagging (no pun intended) accurate content? What about the other way around? Who's to say Google would neglect to flag something that's deemed totally false (for the likes of CNN or Fox News)?
I guess what I'm getting at here, is how do we know we can trust this? By simply taking their word for it? Seems like somebody is trying to hide something or label alternative news sites as false to essentially pass down a narrative. Just my opinion...
http://www.npr.org/2016/02/25/...
> In 2003, Savage had enlisted a digital army to tie Santorum's name with
> an...unpleasant sexual definition...and then "Google bomb" the Republican
> until the new term became the top search result for "Rick Santorum."
And we're supposed to trust their "fact checking"? NOT!
I'm not repeating myself
I'm an X window user; I'm an ex-Windows user
wouldn't want people thinking for themselves and questioning the next war for israel!
She was the popular vote because she paid for it with impossible promises and absurd campaign spending.
Sanders was crushing her on no budget which is why the DNC scuttled the Sanders campaign.
No one suffers any deficit in reading comprehension when they dismiss your assertion that Hillary won the 2016 Presidential election by any meaningful measure. The election was not decided by popular vote, but by states votes and representation in the Electoral College.
You are barking up the wrong tree. Persisting in doing so marks you as either a sore loser, which is excusable, or dismissive of the law and Constitution, which marks you as perhaps a revolutionary, more likely intolerant of your political failure, which is also excusable, if you are only ranting. If you intend to refuse to accept the elected President, it marks you differently.
The 'popular' vote was not used to decide the election, If that's your sole complaint, get the constitution changed. Or have the fight so many seem ready to have.
Molon Labe.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Actually he is correct. The majority did not vote for Clinton. She received less than 50% of the vote.
No, he did; she didn't. He won the electoral college vote. Handily. The majority voted for Trump. Even after Comey got in there and spewed his bullshit all over the news [in the summer and October]. Even after a trove of women magically appeared in October to accuse Trump of rape (and, huh, they all disappeared after the election; not one chose to sue a billionaire for a payday). Even after every debate attacked Trump, with practically no hard questions for Hillary (and, now, we all know why: she probably had many of them). Even after all the absurd agitprop from CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC, Comedy Central (The Daily Show), et al. He still beat Hillary by 77 electoral college votes (giving him 57% of the electoral college vote).
Hillary won the popular vote by a total of 2,868,691 votes. That's a pretty solid number. Kudos to her for winning the overall popular vote.
However, she won the popular vote because of a single, highly partisan state: California (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_California,_2016). Hillary carried the state with over 61.73% of the vote, while Trump only carried 31.62%. This equated to her getting 8,753,788 votes versus Trump's 4,483,810 votes. In other words she won California by a dramatically greater amount than she won the overall popular vote: 4,269,978 votes (almost as many as Trump had in California altogether!).
For those wondering, the same comparison cannot be attributed to Trump via Texas: Trump won Texas by 52.23% versus 43.24%, the difference being less than 1 million votes.
So, Trump won in the only way that is meaningful. And that is the only reason why he is sitting in the Oval Office rather than Hillary Clinton; his campaign realized that he needed to win the electoral college vote, while her campaign thought it had it in the bag once it illegitimately got rid of its competition. It's also why the media is in a frenzy to try to get him impeached: because it too was in the bag the whole time (just as Fox News, on the other side, was in it for Trump).
Now, I don't honestly see this as a problem because the US is a Republic for exactly this reason. Voter suppression is a natural occurrence when you know your locality is against you. Trump was never going to win California, and Hillary was always going to win it, so voters from both sides did not go out to vote (CA has a difference of 2,706,698 registered voters in Democratic favor, which is just 160K votes shy of the total accounting for Hillary's overall popular vote win). Truth be told, everyone is better off when such voters don't vote, regardless of side, because that means they don't vote on local issues where their individual vote carries more weight and they obviously are not educated enough to vote properly.
But what's most interesting is that the talk of the popular vote ignores some pretty devastating issues that are in Trump's favor. Trump won areas that Democrats have held for many elections, outside of California's safe harbor, and -- most importantly -- Trump did so against very clear voter fraud that Democrat's have notably ignored. The Green party-forced recount in Michigan revealed large voter fraud in Detroit (more people voted than actually showed up to vote, in a Democratic stronghold for the state), and Trump barely won the state. Something that was interestingly unreported, was that Virginia wen
Proof isn't required if your a Republican, just the lack of Sanity, at least that what I have noticed with friends and family.
The point of the Electoral College is so that ALL States, even the smallest, have a voice in the Government. The founders knew that Democracy suffered numerous failures because simple people are persuaded by rhetoric, not facts. You demonstrate their position quite well, and are a perfect example of what they were trying to protect against.
I am happy to criticize President Trump for things he does wrong. For example, I believe it was a mistake to bomb Syria for numerous reasons (You appear to be too simple to understand, so I won't extrapolate). Wanting to reduce taxes and fix our broken tax code is something every single politician has said since I was a kid. I'm waiting for that bill, and will criticize if necessary. Trying to resolve immigration in the US is again, something politicians have been claimed they would address ever since I was a kid. President Trump is taking steps to do so, and the outcome is yet to be measured. Wanting to fix trade is yet again something we have been promised by every politician since I was a kid, President Trump is actively taking steps to address trade issues. As with the previous, results are yet to be measured. Neither of those last two have resulted in hundreds of thousands of dead Americans as Bernie likes to claim, and so far the US economy has been improving almost purely on optimism.
Save your ad hominem for the other simpletons who will believe it. I measure facts and results.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Pure rubbish. Cherry picking is a common tactic for fake news. Look up CNN, MSNBC, NBC, and even ABC removing content to portray a narrative. To show that this is not new, look back at the first reporting of the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman case by NBC. Who was caught editing audio to make George appear to be racist instead of answering a dispatcher's question, they lightened his photos to make him appear to be white instead of Hispanic, and instead of displaying current pictures of Trayvon Martin pulled pictures of him as an elementary school kid instead of a 17 year old 6'1" young man who enjoyed MMA.
Cherry picking and editing are common tactics for media propagandists in the US. If you were fooled, shame on you. Plenty of lawsuits have been won against these media outlets for various civil reasons. Off the top of my head, ABC and CNN have both had to issue public apologies and retractions in the last month and a half for doing this, or would have faced even more civil suits.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Because Mexicans in California liked her...but if she had so much "popular support" how did she manage to lose Pennsylvania, a solid blue state? For a Democrat to lose Pennsylvania they have to really suck!
Obama implored illegal aliens to get out and vote. Democrats like to repeal voter ID laws.
Um no. The process worked as intended. Maybe all you Trump Derangement Syndrome sufferers can help yourself get the right electoral votes the next time? Good luck you are going to need it.
We're talking about fact-checking, dickwad, not conclusion-checking.
Who the fuck modded this straw-man up?
Lol you say she had impossible promises and then go to praise comrade Sanders like he isn't the king of impossible promises. You were duped by a dirty old man.
Rent seeking minorites
Clinton received more votes than Trump. About 3 million or so. The obvious, relevant point I was making.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Now, I don't honestly see this as a problem because the US is a Republic for exactly this reason. Voter suppression is a natural occurrence when you know your locality is against you. Trump was never going to win California, and Hillary was always going to win it, so voters from both sides did not go out to vote (CA has a difference of 2,706,698 registered voters in Democratic favor, which is just 160K votes shy of the total accounting for Hillary's overall popular vote win [wikipedia.org]). Truth be told, everyone is better off when such voters don't vote, regardless of side, because that means they don't vote on local issues where their individual vote carries more weight and they obviously are not educated enough to vote properly.
Living in California it's not only voter suppression, but outright intimidation. People were threatened with termination for talking about any candidate other than the one with the D in front of their name.
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.. Electors refusing to obey the Constitution.
Article, Section, and Clause please.
In that the Electors all voted as their States assigned, you have no legitimate grievance.
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Look at this fucking idiot here.
Given the lack of credibility of existing media and Google's Silicon Valley alignment, this is a narrative checker more than it is a "fact checker".
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
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The hacks wouldn't have mattered if the DNC wasn't corrupt to the core. Putin did the American people a favor.
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* "Don't be evil", remember THAT you pieces of shit???
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You're just plain delusional about this (and that's putting it nicely.)
She did; he didn't. She won the vote. Handily.
No, she didn't. The Constitution is very specific that the only vote that matters for POTUS is that of the electoral college. Trump won, handily, by the rules of the constitution. Whether or not you agree with the constitution is your own opinion that you are welcome to, but Trump did play by the rules, and under said rules, he won by a landslide.
Furthermore, Trump only achieved the presidency on a technical basis which was created by a bunch of red-state electors acting well outside their intended charter
First of all, you're deciding whether they were red or blue based entirely on the popular vote in their particular state on that particular day. In fact, if you look at the map on a per-county basis, most of the states look quite purple to me, including the ones you'd plainly label as blue:
http://www.awildpoliticalnerd....
Second of all, the electors did exactly what they were "chartered" (as you put it) to do, with only four exceptions, and three of those were lawfully intended to vote for Hillary but instead voted for Colin Powell.
If it makes you happy to pretend that Trump "won" in any sense that is meaningful
Are you dumb or something? He won in the one and ONLY sense that is meaningful by law.
Honestly with as delusional as you are being about this, I wouldn't be surprised if you're the kind of jackoff who blocked public streets and wanted to raise hell simply because the election, which went exactly as legally prescribed, didn't go your way. And by the way, this country was built from the ground up as a republic, not a democracy. This means that by design, a popular vote typically doesn't necessarily overrule checks and balances, and we have various provisions (such as inalienable rights) that a simple majority vote cannot take away. And in my opinion, direct democracy would in fact be a mistake. If you disagree, then go watch C-SPAN for at least 8 hours a day, for every day of your life, because that's the equivalent of what you'd be asking every person in this country to do.
Not that I wanted Trump to win mind you, but this nonsense about Hillary being the real winner is exactly that.
Second of all, the electors did exactly what they were "chartered" (as you put it) to do, with only four exceptions, and three of those were lawfully intended to vote for Hillary but instead voted for Colin Powell.
More than that, actually.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_electors_in_the_United_States_presidential_election,_2016
Seven did, more tried, but were replaced, plus more who resigned rather than vote for Trump.
If it makes you happy to pretend that Trump "won" in any sense that is meaningful
Are you dumb or something? He won in the one and ONLY sense that is meaningful by law.
Are you? A person can decide a law is not meaningful, even repellent.
It happens all the time. Sometimes it rises to the point of revolution.
The Electoral College, contrary to is zealous defenders (many who would immediately reverse course if it went the other way, see Trump's revolution tweets), is not a meaningful law, but an arcane implementation with no real purpose that it fulfills.
The irony that the left are everything they accuse others of being. FUCK GOOGLE, they and people that support this fake-news-censoring are the real fascists of our day and age!
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* "Don't be evil", remember THAT you pieces of shit???
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* "Don't be evil", remember THAT you pieces of shit???
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No, you obviously suffer the lack of reading comprehension, as well as historical comprehension.
Come back when you can prove you actually took and passed middle school civics, child.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=dead+voters+uncovered&rlz=1C9BKJA_enSA680SA680&oq=dead+voters+uncovered+&aqs=chrome..69i57.13029j0j4&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
and it said it was false (0). Please move along to less paradoxical comments.
Get back to me after you figure out what the preview button does.
No such option on mobile.
Meanwhile, after you're done being a dipweed, try this :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
That's right, there are people so pissed at the Electoral College nonsense, that they'll use its own weakness against it.
People don't like its bullshit. Except when they get elected, of course.
That's right, there are people so pissed at the Electoral College nonsense, that they'll use its own weakness against it.
No, they're not. That is not a "weakness", nor are they using anything against it. They're still participating in it EXACTLY as intended. You're kind of dumb and probably won't understand what I'm about to explain (because you've already demonstrated a rather profound ignorance of the whole thing) but I'll explain anyways:
In the original days of the constitution, several states (such as New York for example) had no general election for POTUS. That is, individual citizens did not and were not allowed to vote for the president. Instead, the state government decided through its own processes how it would send electors. Typically the way it worked is the citizens would vote for their state government, and either their state senators or the governor would decide on its own who it would send to vote for the president. Those were, and still are, the only votes that actually count for anything at all.
Now, if a state government decides that it wants to totally disregard what its own population does and instead cast its electoral votes based on what the national polls show, that is fully within the purview of the constitution as it is written, and thus perfectly legal. There is nothing "weak" about this, nor is it in any way working against itself.
People don't like its bullshit. Except when they get elected, of course.
If this was truly the case, then it would have gone away a long time ago through a constitutional amendment.
No, she didn't. She didn't "win" any form of vote that was contested. The popular vote was not contested. She knew the rules. She played her states, he played his, she lost, he won.
Trump didn't win "on a technical basis". He won by the rules that they both agreed to by entering the contest.
By all means, tell yourself that the loser is somehow the winner. But remember, if the popular vote was how it was going to be counted, from the beginning of the contest, then both Trump and Hillary would have played everything differently. Trump would have poured so much more effort into states he strategically left out in the actual contest.
Suck it up and act like an adult.
No, it's an irrelevant point.
You might as well say she received more high fives.
Yip. About 3 million dead people voting, primarily in California. It turns out, dead people typically vote Democrat.
See my subject: Is THAT the "best ya got" Google? Apparently so. That & being the biggest hypocrite liars there is!
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Selective leaks, SELECTIVE. Hacks mattered because the hackers refused to divulge Trump's entangled Russian affiliations
Proof required when you repeat that lie!
Not if this is a rePUBLIC!
The most relevant possible thing here is from the Declaration of Independence
"...deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed".
Trump didn't get that.
Fox protrays the left however they feel like putting words in their mouths. Whenever they have a "liberal" guest they either shout them down or the guest holds an opinion on a single subject the agrees with "FoxThink".
If you want an supposedly liberal outlet that actually strives to give both sides the ability to state and defend their positions try listening to the NPR programs "Morning Edition" and "All Things Considered". These two programs have political guests from both sides of the aisle and allows them to talk. Granted many other NPR programs have a decidedly political viewpoint but these two are well-balanced.
That's right, there are people so pissed at the Electoral College nonsense, that they'll use its own weakness against it.
No, they're not. That is not a "weakness", nor are they using anything against it. They're still participating in it EXACTLY as intended.
Nope, sorry, but the lack of specification in terms of elector selection IS a weakness, and the intent of the Electoral College is clearly intended to be something to avoid a single national popular vote, as such a simple process would be easy to implement, but...the NPVIC does it through a backhanded way.
If that was intended by the Founding Fathers, they were crapsack frauds who wanted a fucking coalition of states to do an end-run to determine the Presidency.
Even I can't come up with that much despite for them.
That said, they were stupid-headed enough to effectively allow for it.
You're kind of dumb and probably won't understand what I'm about to explain (because you've already demonstrated a rather profound ignorance of the whole thing) but I'll explain anyways:
You're the one trying to assert your own superiority, while not even realizing that your explanation confirms what I just said.
In the original days of the constitution, several states (such as New York for example) had no general election for POTUS. That is, individual citizens did not and were not allowed to vote for the president. Instead, the state government decided through its own processes how it would send electors. Typically the way it worked is the citizens would vote for their state government, and either their state senators or the governor would decide on its own who it would send to vote for the president. Those were, and still are, the only votes that actually count for anything at all.
Now, if a state government decides that it wants to totally disregard what its own population does and instead cast its electoral votes based on what the national polls show, that is fully within the purview of the constitution as it is written, and thus perfectly legal. There is nothing "weak" about this, nor is it in any way working against itself.
Actually, it is, when you realize that the whole point of state's deciding the Presidency over the people is resoundingly claimed as the intent. Yet by the strict law of the Constitution, it is not illegal for states to decide that a popular vote for President is the way to go, even to the national vote, in a circuitous and roundabout fashion, rather than a straight-up Amendment.
That, ArmoredDragon, is the whole point. Every fact and detail you cited is confirming that it is entirely legal. Yet was it intended? Is it the proper way to do it?
If you think so, I have to say, I resoundingly disagree.
People don't like its bullshit. Except when they get elected, of course.
If this was truly the case, then it would have gone away a long time ago through a constitutional amendment.
I wish. Sadly, there's a lot of intransigence to that, because people are so defensive about the Constitution, and it's not been enough of a problem, so most folks agree they dislike it, but aren't going to get off their posteriors and force it to change. Nothing new there. See the most recent Amendment passed. See how long it took to give the folks of DC a vote, any kind of vote.
Besides, as I said, when they get elected, they're fine with it. It'd take several such results in a row. That hasn't happen, though the Bush-Trump connection is short enough that a third time soon MIGHT do it well enough.
Nope, sorry, but the lack of specification in terms of elector selection IS a weakness
It seems pretty clear to me:
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
In other words, how the electors are sent is entirely up to the state legislature.
If the state legislator wants to send electors that it chooses arbitrarily, it may do so.
If the state legislator wants to send electors based on the popular vote within its jurisdiction, it may do so.
If the state legislator wants to send electors based on the popular vote of the entire nation, it may do so.
It's flexible, which is quite a strength. Otherwise, you may as well argue that skyscrapers in Japan are weak because they bend and flex instead of being rigid. The rigid buildings don't survive earthquakes.
Actually, it is, when you realize that the whole point of state's deciding the Presidency over the people is resoundingly claimed as the intent.
That's not the intent. The intent is that it's up to the state legislature how exactly they want to do it. It's quite simple. If they want to do it over the people, that's up to them. If they want to do it based on referendum (which is how it currently works in all 50 states) that is up to them.
Sadly, there's a lot of intransigence to that, because people are so defensive about the Constitution
That's actually the way the constitution was designed: Simple, deliberately vague in some cases to allow wiggle room, and difficult to change. And as it turns out, the US constitution is the oldest written constitution still in use today. And there's a reason for that: Things that don't bend break. In other words: In a large population, you're invariably going to get people who think and behave differently from one another as co-cultures form, and over time people's attitudes change. Our current system is highly flexible to that end due to its simplicity, and if you make it overly complex and/or inflexible, then it will break, which is also why it is resistant to change by design.
Clinton received more votes than Trump. About 3 million or so. The obvious, relevant point I was making.
Which is also wrong. Notice that Jill Stein started a recount, Trump gained a lot of votes. That stopped them cold because the truth was about to come out. If they did a national recount I'm sure Hillary lost by at least a million, probably many million as people are not as stupid as she thinks. Certainly the women that she bashed recently and maligned. She knows she lost big time too. I think you know it too. I want to remind you about the election. How many Obama signs were out there both elections? How many McCain and Romney? What were the results?
Now about this election. I didn't even know what a Hillary sign looked like (and I drive though many states, counties) because I couldn't even find one. If I were to offer you a million bucks the last week of the campaign to photograph 100 Hillary signs in 3 hours, I bet you'd lose. On actual lawns put there by the people living there. Almost nobody was even attending her campaign stops. No problem with Trump signs. You'd be back in 10 minutes. I came across one guy that I bet had 100 on just his property. Not until the last week of the election and then I was surprised to find the logo was the twin towers with a plane going through them. Can't make this up. I mean, WTF? Really? Trump signs were plastered everywhere. Republican areas, Democrat strong holds, didn't matter. So by campaign sign alone, he clobbered her. Wasn't even close.
The aftermath has been very revealing as well. 50 years ago we had racist and bigots that were all verified Democrats walking around in white outfits with a cone top. The KKKK (Why the 4th K? It's Knights of the Klu Klux Klan and that fits into their little symbol if you look at it. There are four Ks in it). Nothing has changed. We have people running around in now black outfits, hidden faces again this time without the funny hat. Same racists, same fascists (those that still believe in God, otherwise same communists), same democrats terrorizing the country. Just like in the past we had kids that didn't even know better wearing the KKKK outfits, I have a feeling the kids today are useful idiots as well.
Or you could just do what I do and simply say "go look it up". Alas, your life is defined by Microsoft, so you're a walking talking Microsoft ad, and likewise I doubt you understand much outside of anything Microsoft tells you, including the legislative history of the US.
Sure, sure, Mr "Google the Incorporation Doctrine" though if you're going for humor, you kinda fell flat on it.
Which is fine, except for the part that individual states had their own rules contrary to the bill of rights up until they were incorporated. And in fact, they still do for the ones that haven't been fully incorporated. If you don't believe me, look up McDonald v. City of Chicago.
Yes, yes, I already mentioned above that states got up to a lot of crap, and even when a state lost in court, Jackson ignored it. Not to mention Adams who shat over the First Amendment.
As for the rest of your post, I'm somewhat done with this topic as it has gone stale, so idc anymore.
Just remember, people did what they wanted, and took what was written in the way that was convenient to them. Even if the simple and earnest language says otherwise.
It seems pretty clear to me:
Yes, it is clearly written that it is not specified, which is why the NPVIC is legal.
It's flexible, which is quite a strength. Otherwise, you may as well argue that skyscrapers in Japan are weak because they bend and flex instead of being rigid. The rigid buildings don't survive earthquakes.
Other way around actually. Buildings are designed to remain intact and possess resilience. Except those that collapse. Happened in Poland recently.
Also somewhere in Tornado country.
Actually, it is, when you realize that the whole point of state's deciding the Presidency over the people is resoundingly claimed as the intent.
That's not the intent.
Try telling that to the anti-popular vote brigade. Probably half a dozen around in this thread.
That's actually the way the constitution was designed: Simple, deliberately vague in some cases to allow wiggle room, and difficult to change.
Nope. Common myth though. They designed it because the Articles weren't working, so they go together, agreed on most things, slapped it together and hoped it would work.
And as it turns out, the US constitution is the oldest written constitution still in use today. And there's a reason for that:
Not really, no. Unless your reason is that the US managed to throw off the overseas empire responsible for taking over much of the world'sâ countries and it still resists the concept of a single written Constitution.
Things that don't bend break.
The grass bends, the oak towers into the sky.
Ask Terry Pratchett about wise old sayings
In other words: In a large population, you're invariably going to get people who think and behave differently from one another as co-cultures form, and over time people's attitudes change.
That happens with two people. And you don't even have to believe the Bible. Go visit divorce court.
Our current system is highly flexible to that end due to its simplicity, and if you make it overly complex and/or inflexible, then it will break, which is also why it is resistant to change by design.
Our current system is flawed, and often it's principles are ignored, or contradicted, and due to a lack of comprehensive change, a lot of conflict remains unresolved.
And personally, some of the subunits are even worse. See Alabama.