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Italy Bans Uber (thenextweb.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Next Web: A court just banned Uber from using its apps in Italy -- yes, all of Italy. The court ruled in favor of the country's taxi drivers -- who filed the suit -- claiming Uber was "unfair competition." Now Uber can't use it's apps -- including UberBlack, Uber LUX, X, and Select -- and it can't promote or advertise itself at all within the country. For all intents and purposes, Uber is banned in Italy.
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While this is a good news for everyone that consider Uber is evil, this is not final victory: they will appeal.
The case is likely to bubble up to the EU Justice Court.
No means no in the personal space, but most of the big Internet companies were built on breaking the rules: Google and YouTube were built on copyright infringement, Facebook was built on privacy violations, Uber and Airbnb respectively ignore local transport and accommodation laws, PayPal violated credit card company agreements, Amazon aggressively imposes patents and parity-pricing agreements, and Snapchat has thrived from illicit activity by children, not to mention all those boosted to critical mass through illegal spam.
But once established, it's both feasible and desirable to show a kinder front.
"Now Uber can't use it's apps."
so sad!
In the US Uber seems to have evolved into a "Date-Rape On Wheels" service.
No doubt more so in India given the cultural acceptance of rape as normal behavior!
Italy wins!
Ha ha
But every once in a while the drivers are not rapists.
No, but if you started an app for crowdsourced buggy rides they couldn't justify a ban for unfair competition.
Can Uber license Prince's "symbol" for use in Italy?
Seriously? You think your comparison is apt? Uber isn't buggies vs taxis. Uber is unregulated taxis vs regulated taxis along with exploiting their unemployed drivers. Uber makes us all poorer.
yes fun with puns
Only if Uber is a whip user as well. Since this is all about taxi services.
Speak up, it's hard to hear you when your voice is coming from so deep in your colon.
Communism uber alles.
I don't know if Italy has the power to ban an app. Maybe on IOS if Apple is willing to play ball. But they can't ban a web app. Not easily anyway.
Seriously? You think your comparison is apt?
As with all analogies, there are points of non-congruence
Uber isn't buggies vs taxis. Uber is unregulated taxis vs regulated taxis along with exploiting their unemployed drivers.
Yes. Exactly. Taxi drivers are depending on a government monopoly. I just want one them that profits me.
Uber makes us all poorer.
Uber doesn't hold a gun to people's heads and force them to work for the wages they pay. Do I think Uber doesn't pay enough? I do. That's why I don't drive for them.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
So they think Uber is banned in Italy?
All this does is opens a path for someone to make an app that connects using a VPN to a server in another country beyond Italy's jurisdiction, which in turn contacts using another VPN to people driving cars to share their space in with someone IN Italy, a la Uber. Perhaps it will be called "Unter". As in "Unter dem Tisch," or "under the table," because money is there to be made, someone will make it, and they won't let a piddling little thing like some Mickey Mouse Italian Court stop them.
Just saying.
The thing you don't understand is the old ways are what society has already decided was the best thing to do. If Uber wants new ways then they convince people that their new ways are better and have the existing laws relaxed because then the people get to have a say on what would work best for everyone. You don't set up an illigal business.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
Uber is unregulated taxis vs regulated taxis
Regulated == more expensive
More expensive means people have less cash for other things that are important. If you want a "regulated" taxi you can also opt for that and pay more.
But... have people actually stopped using Uber in Italy? After all, lots of things are banned in a lot of places. Porn. Prostitution. Drugs. Gambling. And yet...
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I just want one them that profits me.
Observe the mating call of the USian libtard in its natural habitat...
That made me think of something:
Know what we don't see much of anymore?
Horse shit in a garage.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
At least he's not protecting rapists.
Regulated == more expensive
More expensive means people have less cash for other things that are important. If you want a "regulated" taxi you can also opt for that and pay more.
Awesome, why not apply this to lead paint or mercury?
And can we pass laws preventing CEOs from shipping tech work overseas, where the labor is 1/8th the cost?
Pedantic nerd is pedantic. I bet you were brown-swirled a lot in school.
Shut up you stupid MAN.
They break the last vestiges of the social contract between the Capitalists and Workers. Take that away and what's left of the system will break. I don't expect any good to come of that though, it didn't in China and the USSR.
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to the convenience and stability of the big CC companies. You'd be amazed just how much they do for business and consumer alike.
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For non-USians, can we get an explanation of who the libtards are? Further up the accusation ran the other way, I'm starting to suspect language has no meaning in the US.
Does not really matter ...
The CxO's (insert appropriated letter for x) are now already rich by IPO's and "wages". If the company goes down, who cares?
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Absolutely astonishing to watch the deluge if bile whenever Uber is mentioned, and so clearly unfounded. Over the years, I've used their services in 6 European countries, never a single issue. Personal friends told me they got past temporary financial issues by working for them for a couple months, none of them recounted any horror stories except amazingly enough for hostility from taxi drivers. I even watch the bloody CEO arguing with driver video and think he stayed polite and curteous for as long as possible. Again, astonishing.. so much irrational hatred for a service that provably helps people
Italy laws for taxi drivers are quite lenient to the point where the form a small cartel.
They are exempt from giving a receipt. They need to be organized in special companies/unions.
But the problem with Uber is also that the current insurances do not cover you and your
passengers with the normal licenses, which cost much more than that for a personal car.
So yeah, it is unfair competition, as Uber is essentially a taxi service that does not play by the rules.
Whether the rules are correct or not is an other matter, though.
The Italian economy is in bad shape for a reason.
how do cheaper, faster and more reliable taxi rides make me poorer?
Before Uber, I barely ever used taxis. Now it's practical and affordable, I use it all the time.
Ironically, on my last trip to Italy, the only person who ripped us off is a taxi driver.
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let's see... the guy said his only interest taxi company rules are ones good for the consumer. this apparently makes him a liberal, and a retard.
oh boy. say more things please. we all enjoy people who say stupid shit so we have someone to laugh at. and no, I'm not going to explain why what you said is so funny.
because taxi cabs are not toxic chemicals but are in fact cars, and something that makes sense for toxic chemicals does not mean it should apply to cars. next question?
Sure you can. And then you can watch the tech industry in your country implode.
When Italy gets a clue as to what Uber can really offer they will embrace Uber and beg them to enter their nation.
With all the underhanded unethical stuff Uber has been doing; I wish they'd ban them in the US as well. They've already been caught defrauding customers and figuring out ways to prevent detection by officials in areas they're not supposed to be operating in. Their drivers have nasty habits of being racist or discriminatory. Italian taxi drivers may have their own issues; but Uber is just as bad.
It really depends on the metrics that you use to claim that a country's economy is in "bad shape". Surely if you only look at GDP growth it might look like that. But GDP growth only measures the variation "annual income", it doesn't tell you how much money people actually have in their bank account, stocks, or in real estate investments. What if I told you that Italians are actually the fifth richest people on the planet, with a median per-capita net wealth that is almost three times as much as that of US citizens?
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I knew the community here on slashdot was pretty closeminded, but never did I think people would be cheering on less competition in the Italian taxi market. Uber is fucking great for consumers and they treat employees better than taxi companies. Taxi organizations want a strangle-hold on the market and live in the past, how the fuck do you all not see that?
Über undercuts other taxi operators who comply with minimum wage requirements and drives them out of business.
For non-USians, can we get an explanation of who the libtards are?
Since you asked ... "libtard" is a portmanteau of "liberal" and "retard." It is a pejorative term wielded by unimaginative non-liberals during an argument they are losing.
Except in this case, where the GP was confused as to which side of the argument they were railing against.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Uber is a hired car service, not a taxi service. You can tell it's not a taxi service because sometimes Uber is on time. Checkmate.
Other hired car services: towncars, limos, shuttle busses, etc. It's a broad category, and Uber is certainly in it. But they aren't a taxi service if you can't hail them by voice.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
The thing you don't understand is the old ways are what society has already decided was the best thing to do. If Uber wants new ways then they convince people that their new ways are better
So, what are your views on gay marriage and abortion?
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
It turns out Uber was banned all along. It was never legal. The court didn't ban it; it ruled that current law prohibits Uber's operations.
when the company in question has had multiple lawsuits for toxic behavior you should treat them exactly as a toxic product. moron
so youre the only person in the world that matters. got it. you also probably voted for hillary. seeing as it was all selfish children that got older physically but not mentally sayind "I'M with HER" Instead of "We're with Her."
How does an unsafe, unregulated taxi company that forces their not-actually-employees to rely on welfare make us poorer? I don't know.
There are really only two views here:
1. A society is game pool where successful individuals/clans get to feed on the less successful ones ("I want my cheap ride and I don't care if it creates subclass of precarious serfs sleeping in cars with broken dreams and no families")
2. A society is a collective enterprise with goal to move all towards progress ("Brilliant middlemen need to be taxed so that the less brilliant ones get food, shelter, education and social security")
I prefer #2, as historically such societies achieve more for all. If America was great, it was great in the first 2/3rds of the 20th century, when taxes were high and lower classes got to see colleges and universities. That is the only social capilal that America had, and it should better start to accumulate a new one, as the existing is pretty much gone.
Abortion is a complicated topic, with many factors that don't apply to Uber. Best avoided really, unless you wanted the thread to end up wildly off-topic.
Gay marriage though. If it is illegal, you shouldn't do it and you shouldn't set up a business specialising in it. What you should do, and what generally has been done, is campaign to have to law changed. Many people were convinced this was a law that needed changing, and it was changed. After the law was changed, it was then ok to do if you wanted.
Now can you explain the point you were trying to make?
What noise does a Fiat make when it gets a flat tire?
For all intents and purposes, Uber is banned in Italy.
All major surveys show that Uber has steadily declined in market share. Uber is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Uber is to survive at all it will be among car sharing dilettante dabblers. Uber continues to decay. Nothing short of a cockeyed miracle could save Uber from its fate at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Uber is dead.
Now can you explain the point you were trying to make?
Bans on gay marriage and abortion were "the old ways are what society has already decided was the best thing to do". The conservative position is that these regulations should be preserved, with the burden of proof on the person wanting to change them In neither case did liberal advocates ever even address the arguments of conservatives, just ignore them and gain the popular vote.
Uber has largely done the same. They haven't addresses any of the reasons for the regulations, but they are popular. Should that be enough? Democracy would say so.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Freedom from discrimination based on sex or gender is a basic human right. That's why restricting marriage to heterogendered couples is untenable and should be abolished without "addressing" any sexist superstitions people may have.
Observe the mating call of the USian libtard in its natural habitat...
Liberals, or in your words "Iibtards" do not support monopolies. It takes a real special cuck to trigger on that and snowflake all over it, but you, sir, did it proud.
I am using your own special "code" because I know you won't understand a real discussion. You have to have Steve Bannon and other ultra right wing mental defectives to define your terms for you, else you are reduced to grunts and drool from your chin.
It's a real pity you can't muster an IQ over 40.
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
You miss his point. Or perhaps not, but were so offended by his inference that's you responded in the moronic manner of the someone who feels inadequate in some way. You response is a longer version of the childish classic, "Yeah, well my daddy is bigger and can beat your daddy up, so there! Nyah!"
His comment was qualitative, your counter was quantitative and irrelevant. Grow up.
Troll much ???
-- "I'm not in a hurry; I'm in Hawaii." The Homeless Guy
Sure, the majority now believe that, but it's not the tradition. Views on any and everything change over time. Uber is yet another change. Should we blindly accept change on the basis of popularity, or should there be another test. There are no absolutes here, after all, just the opinions of fallible humans.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Well If the country of Italy follows this pattern, they are going to be a dinghy backwater. What happens when the issue of driver less cars come to their front door? Are they going to ban those and along with banning them condemn the automobile companies in their country to extinction? What happens in Italy when there are so many cars (the numbers per 1000 grow every year) that they must consider an alternative that includes using an app to 'hire' a car that fits the immediate need from a tiny single-seater to a big moving van. Uber is just one manifestation of this digital transformation and the youngest generations are driving the adoption at a very rapid pace. Italy will have to succumb to it or it too will pass away into extinction. Once autonomous cars hit the streets in a big way (likley by 2020), Italy will have to relent and allow companies like Uber to operate ... if for no other reason than to make the streets safer. Hmm, I wonder who is working on autonomous Gondolas....
Good point Fraiser - anyone who does not see wordplay as valid logic to make law is indeed a moron. Cet word however must be in french.
Let me guess coming off of xanax? Clearly the moron here is not you. Thank you for the entertainment, keyboard alpha-wolf. Sorry for all that time you spent inside your locker in highschool.
You sound like one of those sheriffs who protests that he doesn't have quotas for his deputy's to write a certain number of tickets per month, he has "performance expectations." And then expects the listener to be impressed by his cleverness.