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Hyperloop One Announces 11 Possible US Routes, Completes Vegas Test Track (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Thursday Hyperloop One executives announced that they've finished constructing their 1,640-foot-long "DevLoop" test track in the desert outside Las Vegas. But they also revealed possible U.S. routes for their high-speed transportation solution "to initiate a nationwide conversation about the future of American transportation" -- five of them suggested by state transportation department officials from Texas, Florida, Colorado, Nevada and Missouri.

Last May the company invited pitches for routes to various cities, and Thursday's 11 pitches were chosen from 2,600 participants. These 11 pitches will compete with 24 other pitches from around the globe to be one of the three chosen to "work closely with Hyperloop One engineering and business development teams to explore project development and financing." And Thursday they also announced that "by year's end the company will have a team of 500 engineers, fabricators, scientists and other employees dedicated to bringing the technology to life."

Click through for more information, and the list of the 11 U.S. cities being suggested for hyperloop destinations.
  • Boston-Somerset-Providence
  • Cheyenne-Houston
  • Chicago-Columbus-Pittsburgh
  • Denver-Colorado Springs
  • Denver-Vail
  • Kansas City-St. Louis
  • Los Angeles-San Diego
  • Miami-Orlando
  • Reno-Las Vegas
  • Seattle-Portland
  • Dallas/Fort Worth-Austin-San Antonio-Houston

"The event in the nation's capital is being billed as the company's official US launch," writes The Verge, noting the company's current feasiblity studies have been looking at the United Arab Emirates, Finland and Sweden, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Moscow, and the U.K. "Meanwhile, Hyperloop One's main competitor, Hyperloop Transportation Technologies (also LA-based), is currently exploring building hyperloops in a half-dozen countries in Asia, Europe, and the Middle East." But the senior VP of global operations for Hyperloop One said this week that "We always thought that North America is going to be our biggest market globally."

270 comments

  1. Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Has Trump tweeted his thoughts about this yet?
    Will this make America great again?
    Are the Mexicans going to pay for it?

    Enquiring minds want to know.

    1. Re:Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American here.

      Trains remind me of NAZI GERMANY, with trains running around all over the place.

    2. Re:Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Nazi Germany reminds me of Japanese American internment camps. The kind you put George Takei into.

    3. Re:Trump? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 0

      American here.

      Trains remind me of NAZI GERMANY, with trains running around all over the place.

      Special software from Amtrak would assure that they are never exactly on time.

    4. Re:Trump? by vtcodger · · Score: 0

      "Nazi Germany reminds me of Japanese American internment camps"

      Not one of our finer moments, OTOH, we didn't try to exterminate the Japanese (or German or Italian) internees.

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      You can't see ANYTHING from a car, You've got to get out of the goddamned contraption and walk...Edward Abbey
    5. Re:Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      good news is that this is not really train and the nazis would never back this.
      They would have had a different use for massive tubes.

    6. Re:Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      huh.
      Were the Japanese treated as poorly as the POW camps of Germany?
      Were the Japanese subjected to medical experiments or put to death?
      Nope.

      SO, no, not really the same.

    7. Re:Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Were the Japanese subjected to medical experiments or put to death?"

      How would you know if they were? The victors get to write history.

    8. Re:Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Trains remind me of trains, with trains running around all over the place. I like trains.

    9. Re:Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe .... you know ... ask the living survivors.

      Almost every Japanese POW survived the ordeal and returned home ALIVE. So that is how WE know.

    10. Re:Trump? by vtcodger · · Score: 0

      "Were the Japanese subjected to medical experiments or put to death?"

      Of course not. We used African-Americans for experiments. Asians, we mostly just tried to keep out.

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      You can't see ANYTHING from a car, You've got to get out of the goddamned contraption and walk...Edward Abbey
    11. Re:Trump? by tigersha · · Score: 1

      "Try to" exterminate?

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      The dangers of excessive individualism are nothing compared to the oppressiveness of excessive collectivism
    12. Re:Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trains remind me of trains, with trains running around all over the place. I like trains.

      Yo Dawg, we heard you like trains, so we put some trains in your train, so you can train while you train.

    13. Re: Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do we know that Japanese internment didn't actually help? Not being a dick here, a serious question. We're there potential "sleeper cells" or sympathizing Japanese nationals that were suppressed? It's easy to say that something which looks ugly was terrible 75 years on...

    14. Re: Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was ugly and wrong even if it DID prevent something from happening.

    15. Re: Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Turns out it went to the Supremes and the AG suppressed and destroyed evidence to win. So not much different than the nazis in the legals.

    16. Re:Trump? by F34nor · · Score: 1

      The Japanese did "try" to spread plague with bombs made out fleas ment to infect rats to in turn infect and kill humans! But who cares about that shit, HERE COMES MONGO!

    17. Re:Trump? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      so you can train while you train.

      So...the trains will have training wheels?

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      Ezekiel 23:20
    18. Re: Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of the principles that Americans supposedly stood for (and fought and died for) include equal treatment before the law, the right to due process, the right to confront your accusers, presumption of innocence until proven guilty, the innocent may not be made to suffer with the guilty, freedom of speech, freedom of association...

      All that shit went out the window with the forcible internment of Japanese-American citizens - CITIZENS! - based solely on race.

      If you think you actually have rights, you're delusional. All it takes is one stroke of a pen by someone in an appropriate position of power and you are gulaged.

      So what were the Americans fighting for, if they weren't fighting for these supposed rights and principles of a democratic society? Hegemony?

    19. Re:Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love how ugly kids get rejected by normal people and end up not having a lot of social experiences. They end up with social anxiety disorder, and in their adult life try to avoid contact. They end up playing alone, watching porn several times a day, yet still needing some kind of "conversation." They end up making up both sides of it. Then when they hear or read something people say, their brain is not trained to properly interpret basic things. They come up with crazy insane things they think people say and respond to them, all the while actually talking to themselves.

      there is no way out of this uggo. you're stuck in your joke of a life now. what you think people say - it's not what they actually say. no one will explain it to you though. you are now the normal people's personal clown. kinda like that crazy homeless lady on the corner who talks to herself. she doesn't think there's anything wrong w/ her either.

      no one has any idea wtf you're talking about fucknuts. it's not what this thread is about though. you know that "reply" button? you have to reply to the post, not just say random shit the voice in your head says. fucking loser.

    20. Re: Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps we can gas six million Japanese in those internment camps also . Also some gypsies can be killed as well. Your sense or comparison is horrific.

    21. Re:Trump? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I normally make fun of grammar nazis, because that's not important on this site. With you however - your errors I believe are because of meth and staying up several days at a time. They are not errors because you weren't paying attention to typing. Just like the ridiculous reasoning is not because you weren't paying attention to what you are replying to. You were paying attention - lots of it, and you actually think things are spelled that way, and that we are actually talking about the japs who attacked HI. Hi there! How are you? I am well today. Have you recovered? Hi! Have a drink my friend. Maybe 2. Start it rolling again.

  2. Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Americans hate trains.

    1. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called airplanes and airports and has existed since before you were born.

      You mean since World War II, and there are people alive today who were born earlier. Off my lawn with you, young fool.

    2. Re:Will never happens by Tx · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Want to go from City A to City B at 500mph? No problem. We already have a complete infrastructure in place that will allow you to go from just about any city to just about any other city at high speed.

      It's called airplanes and airports and has existed since before you were born.

      The actual flight part of an airplane trip may be fast, but getting to and from the airport generally is not, because airports generally can't be built right in the center of a city. For short domestic flights, the actual flight time is often only a fraction of the overall trip time. I haven't studied these hyperloop proposals, so I don't know where they're proposing to put the stations, but if they can put them close to city centers, then they could have a huge advantage over airplanes.

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      Oh no... it's the future.
    3. Re:Will never happens by bluegutang · · Score: 5, Informative

      Want to go from City A to City B at 500mph? No problem. We already have a complete infrastructure in place that will allow you to go from just about any city to just about any other city at high speed. It's called airplanes and airports and has existed since before you were born.

      This method is uncomfortable (legroom), nauseating (turbulence), frequently delayed or cancelled (weather), with inherent capacity limits (airspace, runway space), and long lines for creepy invasive security checks (TSA) before you get on. High speed trains have none of that.

      You should try taking a high speed train some time in Europe or Asia. The station is downtown, often right next to your destination or a quick subway ride away. You can arrive 5 minutes before departure and get on with no problems. There is no security check, just a guy at the platform entrance to check that you have a ticket. The train leaves exactly on time and arrives exactly on time pretty much every trip (and by "on time" I mean actually on time, not within the half hour padding that airplane schedules have to boost on-time rates). The ride is perfectly smooth and quiet, often with free wifi, and plenty of leg room. For trips of 150 to 400 miles, it's frequently the fastest option door-to-door as well. Just try this once, and I think your opinion of high speed rail will change.

    4. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Additional Benefits over Air Travel:

      - Hyperloop is capable of carrying you car. So basically, you can "drive" from your home in Denver to you hotel in San Antonio in a couple of hours at most. And have your own car to boot!
      - Hyperloop will never be affected by weather cancellations. Ever. OK - so a direct hit by a tornado, maybe.

    5. Re:Will never happens by Rei_is_a_dumbass · · Score: 0

      - Hyperloop will never be affected by weather cancellations.

      Except for days when the humidity is high and they can't reach the vacuum pressures they need because of all the moister in the air.

    6. Re:Will never happens by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      Ever taken one of the European bullet trains? You can take Ryanair cheap between London and Paris, but the train will get you faster from center to center, and without all the airport hassle.

      I se a different problem with Hyperloop, the lack of intermediate stations between the end points.. Any practical implementation should have a provision for a small number of intermediate stops. Offline stations (stopped train nit blocking the right of way) would add flexibility.

    7. Re:Will never happens by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 0

      Wow, you really think they make a vacuum in the pipe just before the train starts, and fill it again with air when the car arrives at the destination just to rinse and repeat that.

      Sorry, simple question: are you a retard? Did you got a smack on your head lately? Felt from a roof or something?

      --
      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    8. Re:Will never happens by Rei_is_a_dumbass · · Score: 0

      Learn how vacuum system work before you comment you fucking moron.

    9. Re:Will never happens by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      "We already have a complete infrastructure in place that will allow you to go from just about any city to just about any other city at high speed."

      Sure -- assuming that you don't count the hour getting to the airport, the ever shrinking seats, the two hour "security" delay, the overnight stay when you miss your connection in Chicago, Atlanta, or some other garden spot, and the hour collecting your luggage (if it takes the same flight(s)) and getting from your putative destination to where you really want to be. And also assuming that it's not raining or snowing anywhere in North America.

      But what the Hell. Maybe The Donald will rein in the TSA and make the planes fly on time.

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      You can't see ANYTHING from a car, You've got to get out of the goddamned contraption and walk...Edward Abbey
    10. Re:Will never happens by Balthisar · · Score: 1

      We often (possibly usually) don't want to go to the center of the city. I want to go to suppliers in Auburn Hills (not Detroit proper) or to a plant in Claycomo (not Kansas City), or to Miami Beach (not the City of Miami). Granted, the airport isn't always closest to the majority of final destinations, but the city center isn't necessarily any better.

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      --Jim (me)
    11. Re:Will never happens by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but in an airplane you have to deal with your fragile assembly of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and a couple of patented molecules hunched into a thin, lightweight tube of aluminum and other insubstantial materials at speeds of a significant fraction of sound.

      Whereas in a Hyperloop.....

      And hell, the TSA would have their sticky little clutches in this industry before you can say 'may I see your passport, please'.

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      Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
    12. Re:Will never happens by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      500 mph? Yes, that is what today's turbojets do.
      Thankfully, hyperloop does a minimum, not a max, of 700 mph.
      So, quite a bit faster.
      And quit a bit cheaper in terms of energy.

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    13. Re:Will never happens by Rei_is_a_dumbass · · Score: 1

      Sure -- assuming that you don't count the hour getting to the airport

      The same hour it will take to get to the hyper loop station.

      the ever shrinking seats

      That hyper loop will also have because they need to pack people in to have a change to even make it economical.

      the two hour "security" delay

      Security only takes 5 minutes in the real world.

      the overnight stay when you miss your connection in

      The same over night delays you have with hyper loop when you miss your connection because the track is down for various reasons.

    14. Re:Will never happens by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      How timely the trains are depends a bit on country. E.g. France has a relatively low frequency of trains but aside from natural disaster they are usually on the minute. Switzerland on the other hand has a relatively slow train network, because the Swiss prefer timely trains over fast trains. So it can happen that a train is standing in a station for half an hour to pick up travelers from connecting trains.
      In Germany it depends on route and time of the year or what ever construction project is going on. Often the trains are super timely. But then again there periods of months were everything is delayed.

      But my trip from Karlsruhe to Paris, about 550km, takes more less exactly 3h. I start from walking distance of my home (or 4 stations with a tram) and end up in Gare de l'Est 5 or 6 metro stations from the place I live in Paris. Bottom line significantly less than 4h. With a a car, besides the "not so far distance" you need easy 6h - 8h. And flying would mean: I end outside of Paris. Need nearly an hour to get to my destination. And: I have 60 - 90 minutes travel to the next air port close to my town. (And have to be min. 45 mins early for check in procedure)

      Depending where you want to go and in which order, using a train is most likely the most comfortable traveling in Europe.

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    15. Re:Will never happens by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      yeah, it is not like they will just keep the moisture and air out of the tubes all the time.

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    16. Re:Will never happens by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      This sort of thing would never fly (so to speak) in the US. We could never put the stations anywhere near city center because it would take 100 years to deal with all the lawsuits from the permitting process. In the unlikely event that you could actually build it, you can bet your shoes that the TSA would have all those 'excess' scanners that they pulled out of airports (because they didn't work) placed inconveniently at the station. For your safety and 'security' of course.

      And after you replaced your clothes and dusted off your dignity, sat down in a seat designed for an anorexic midget and made it to your designation, you'd find out that being at the City Center wasn't all that helpful because the rest of the mass transit system was an ancient, underfunded, broken down mess.

      You must live in some sort of worker's paradise.

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      Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
    17. Re:Will never happens by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 0

      ROFL ...

      You are talking about Dyson or Vorwerk? You are working for them? I guess you are mixing some stuff up. Hyperloops have nothing to do with "vacuum systems".

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    18. Re:Will never happens by Rei_is_a_dumbass · · Score: 0

      Hyperloops have nothing to do with "vacuum systems".

      Wow you are a real special kind of retard aren't you. The hyper loops is under vacuum moron.

    19. Re:Will never happens by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 0

      A hyperloop is not a "vacuum system".
      It is constantly under vacuum.

      Why don't you get a clue instead of insulting people with your retarded name?

      Did you ever see how two space ships dock? Or Submarines? A "train car" in a hyperloop is docking to an airlock. There is no damn need to evacuate anything.

      It is a no brainer that a hyper loop train pipe would make no sense if you had to evacuate it (partly or fully) all the time before using it (*facepalm*)

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    20. Re:Will never happens by Rei_is_a_dumbass · · Score: 1

      yeah, it is not like they will just keep the moisture and air out of the tubes all the time.

      Except when they want to load and unload passengers and need to put air back into the tube.

    21. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mulit-billion

      Google here; did you mean "mullet-billion"? We think you did.

    22. Re:Will never happens by Rei_is_a_dumbass · · Score: 1

      And quit a bit cheaper in terms of energy.

      Except for the massive amount of energy needed to operate the vacuum pumps 24/7 to maintain your vacuum pressure.

    23. Re: Will never happens by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Security only takes 5 minutes. You must be be Rei (See his/her Slashdot alias)

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    24. Re: Will never happens by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      So now you think you are God? ROTFLMAO

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    25. Re: Will never happens by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Holy Shit ... The irony ... it burns!

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    26. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hyperloop simply isn't feasible, not at scale. Too many problems to overcome that cannot be solved with current tech. The problems include thermal expansion, how one successful attack on it can kill everyone in it, etc.

      Planes really are better. We need to figure out how to make the infrastructure around planes, namely the security, faster and better -- because even if hyperloop magically happens (it won't), it will still have those same exact security concerns planes do on top of the security concerns around it's entire route.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNFesa01llk

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z48pSwiDLIM

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXF2qcu-tFw

    27. Re:Will never happens by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Hyperloop will never be affected by weather cancellations.

      ...because they'll never be built.

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    28. Re:Will never happens by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

      Learn how vacuum system work before you comment you fucking moron.

      ^^^^^^This, time 1000.

      Obtaining and maintaining thevacuum level that would be required for the hyperloop to work is no small task. Most people don't understand what's required to pull a decent vacuum and keep it at an acceptable level.

      For a structure as big as the hyperloop just the outgassing of the cars and other internal parts alone will be a major impediment to achieving the required vacuum.

      Even worse, you re-expose the entire vehicle to atmosphere regularly giving it no real chance to ever fully degas.

      The hyperloop will never be built to any real scale and will never, ever fulfill the grandeur of its claims.

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    29. Re:Will never happens by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Hyperloops have nothing to do with "vacuum systems".

      What kind of head injury do you have, Angel? The whole premise of the hyperloop is that the vehicles run in a vacuum. That's literally what it's all about.

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    30. Re:Will never happens by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 0

      A hyperloop is not a "vacuum system".
      It is constantly under vacuum.

      Holy fuck, your level of stupidity is epic.

      How do you think they'll get this magical "always on" vacuum without a vacuum system? Do you even know what a vacuum system is or how the term is being applied here?

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    31. Re:Will never happens by iris-n · · Score: 1

      Building fast trains in Switzerland is highly nontrivial because of all the mountains. Not even the Swiss are rich enough to build all the tunnels and bridges that would be necessary.

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    32. Re:Will never happens by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      It is conceivable that a tube wall sturdy enough to hold up under 15 psi = 103kPa pressure won't leak a whole lot. I'm assuming sliding or dilating or something-ing barriers at the stations to keep trash, luggage, small children, etc from being sucked into the traveling portion of the tube.

      OTOH, the cost of a hyperloop tube -- whether buried, run along the surface, or suspended from giant genetically modified vultures -- is likely to be pretty high compared to a rail line. It might be cheaper to have a SpaceX rockets fly you from LA to San Diego than to buy a hyperloop ticket.

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    33. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Of course, God Emperor Trump will solve everything.

    34. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is conceivable that a tube wall sturdy enough to hold up under 15 psi = 103kPa pressure won't leak a whole lot.

      You can have the tube perfectly sealed. But there are still things that leak inside of it.
      Virtual Leaks.
      Out gaming.

      In reality you're going to have leaks.

    35. Re:Will never happens by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      LOL.
      Only if it is leaking. And with no leaks, no big deal.

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    36. Re:Will never happens by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      lets see.
      A loading tube where passengers get into cars. Door ahead of car(s) opens. The cars go into the variable length tube area. In doing so, it will push the majority of air that is in the tube out.
      So, now door closes, and values open into another side tube that was previously evacuated (which has pumps always working to lower the pressure for the next car). Most air rushes out, values close, and several pumps start working on evacuating the rest.
      With the little bit that was left, it is gone in a minute or two. 2nd door in front opens and car(s) enter the main tube and leave.

      Issues solved.

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    37. Re:Will never happens by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      darn good thing that you and the others around here have nothing to do with submarines, or space craft.
      YOu would never have accomplished a thing.

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    38. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Issues solved.

      Not even close.

      It still takes a half hour to get to vacuum.

    39. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good think morons that know nothing about vacuum systems are such experts on why the hyper loop will work.

    40. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh well, but we still have 3D printers and we'll totally colonize Mars though, right?

    41. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are always leaks dumbass.

    42. Re:Will never happens by jhanschoo · · Score: 2

      Calling it: in before Hyperloop travel becomes unsustainably slow due to terrorism concerns.

    43. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you really need to get to full vacuum or even close to it ? All you need is to reduce air pressure enough, so air resistance on the train is kept at minimum. You can achieve significant gains by reducing air pressure only by half. It is nowhere near vacuum.

      I am only guessing though. Does anyone know what would be the maximum amount of air pressure that could be allowed for an effective travel ?

      It's all down to economics at the end - you reduce air pressure by half, you gain X on energy. You reduce pressure too much and you may loose more energy for achieving and sustaining the vacuum environment than. At the end you calculate the level for of vacuum needed for achieving maximum efficiency and try to keep air pressure around this level.

    44. Re:Will never happens by westlake · · Score: 1

      but if they can put them close go city centers, then they could have a huge advantage over airplanes

      Approaching the city center implies rapidly escalating costs for right-of-way.

      If I understand the Hyperloop correctly, it is more or less as rigidly constrained in its design as a pneumatic tube or a pipeline. Even the gentlest of curves become a problem. You can't simply route around obstructions that would be too expensive to clear.

    45. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you really need to get to full vacuum or even close to it ?

      They need to get to 1/1000 atm which is a pretty significant vacuum. Here is a video of ~1/10 atm. Notice it took ten minutes to get down to that higher pressure.

    46. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This would is going nowhere...

      Do you really think that the guys involved in inventing air plane or rail travel where thinking "oh a single attack would kill too many people, forget about it .., it's too risky" ?

      That wooden boat is going into open sea trying to find out a shorter way to India (read America). It's nonsense, it's too risky, what is the chance that a storm hits that little boat ?

    47. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah those tunnels. Don't worry, Hyperloop will solve this soon. Wait ... !?

    48. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a big difference between trying to lift an airplane in the air and a train. On the latter, you don't have to reduce leg place, by your just add more cars and keep the leg space. The additional cost for an additional car is small, compared to lifting a full additional airplane in the air. You can't compare the two.

      Bullet trains exist for few decades now and leg space hasn't been reduced. Even 2ns class (economy) places are much larger than airplane seats. If a route grows with additional travelers, just add another car to the train. Hyperlop would work similarly, it should be even more economical as it is supposed to work in reduced pressure while being levitated. The incentive for reducing leg space is low when the efficiency of transportation is high.

    49. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hyper loop isn't a train. They are gonna need to pack as many people into a pod as possible.

    50. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Submarines and spacecraft don't involve giant pressure vessels covering hundreds of miles over land. The proposed one in Missouri wouldn't survive deer season.

    51. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I can't wait for the California High Speed Rail to be built so I can see how wonderful this transportation mode is... At the rate projects like California High Speed Rail are going, we're going to be dependent on planes for a long long time.

    52. Re:Will never happens by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      The city center *is* better, in the sense that you can catch a cab in or out any time of day or night. Try flagging a cab at 3 AM in Auburn Hills. They probably went home after the bars closed and they took all the drunks on the scenic route.

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    53. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't realize deer were that strong!

    54. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One good terror attack kills everyone in the plane.

      One good terror attack on the hyper loop system kills everyone within the system.

      But whatever, no difference right.

    55. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I love how you declare they'll have none of that when obviously they'll have at least some of it.

      The first terror attack that blows a hole in the pipe and kills everyone in the tunnel system will at least give you the same security/wait issues.

    56. Re:Will never happens by inking · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, because as we well know trains are never late. Our train services have been the epitome of punctuality to the point that I have probably not arrived on time more than twice in the past five years and have still have to leave an hour and a half early every day to account for the delays. - signed: Germany

    57. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > One good terror attack on the hyper loop system kills everyone within the system.

      This has already been debunked many times.

      What happens when there's a breach or rupture in the tube? The pressure rises gradually. Drag increases. Cars slow down. There is no "wall of air" for cars to slam into.

      Perhaps the cars closest to the breach will be wrecked and some people will die, but in the rest of the tube, the cars just slow down and make an emergency stop at the next station.

    58. Re:Will never happens by sexconker · · Score: 1

      The current holder of the angel'o'sphere or whatever account bought it from someone who had quit Slashdot, came around and acted like a retard a year or two back, left, and now either:

      A: They have returned, acting just as retarded as before.
      B: Some other retard bought the account from the first retard who bought it from the original user.

      Just ignore it, like the 11001011whatever guy and MightyMartian.

    59. Re: Will never happens by sexconker · · Score: 2

      What happens when there's a breach or rupture in the tube? The pressure rises gradually.

      In the same way that a balloon pops gradually, sure.

    60. Re:Will never happens by sexconker · · Score: 2

      A minimum of 700 mph requires Infinite G force.

    61. Re:Will never happens by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      I thought one of the advantages of the hyperloop idea was that you can have loads of intermediate stations. Because people travel in small pods, they don't need to stop at every intermediate station like a regular train. Unless you live in the city, you still need to travel quite a bit to catch a high speed train, but your suburb or village could have its own hyperloop station, allowing you to travel long distance from craphole to 2 horse town without changing transportation (which is the real time sink in travel, especially air travel).

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    62. Re: Will never happens by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      Actually, the best experts on vacuum in Europe are partnering with hyperloop because they claim it works easily.

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    63. Re:Will never happens by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Want to go from City A to City B at 500mph? No problem. We already have a complete infrastructure in place

      Really? Because in general what I see in major airports is that they aren't actually anywhere within the city limits. That's before you consider the arrive 2 hours before hand garbage.

    64. Re:Will never happens by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      signed: Germany

      Please don't sign on behalf of Germany. Rather sign on behalf of the one city you're likely having problems with.

      signed: The rest of Germany which has no problems with trains.

    65. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > In the same way that a balloon pops gradually, sure.

      Balloons aren't made of one-inch-thick steel.

    66. Re:Will never happens by inking · · Score: 1

      That's nice of you to report in, That-One-Village-In-Germany-That-Does-Not-Have-Delays? http://www.handelsblatt.com/un...

    67. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Inform yourself before commenting, it would stop you looking like an idiot. I would suggest you read this first. As from your ill-informed comments you clearly haven't.

    68. Re:Will never happens by mindwhip · · Score: 1

      These videos mostly either deliberately mis-state or overstate the issues - try some fact checking for once. They are made by someone who makes money by stirring controversy to push up his video views and make money and "debunking" hyperloop is a massive cash cow for him. He started off with fairly reputable science analysis but over the years moved to more emotive/controversial topics as these made him money.

      A lot of the arguments in the video are based on the "alpha document". The document itself points out it is about ideas and not detailed either in engineering or physics analysis - just a starting point for detail to be added later and ideas to be used or discarded with further analysis. It is not a fixed blueprint for the final design.

      SpaceX/Hyperloop themselves say "low pressure" and not "vacuum" - the pressure in the tubes is expected to be around the same as a jet plane experiences which is easy to maintain compared to a hard vacuum. The 99.9% vacuum that is often stated did not offically come from Hyperloop but is a figure that was mentioned as a "possible/maybe" very early on by latched onto by the media after one person gave an off the cuff remark.
      Low pressure will be less force on the walls compared to what is stated in the videos.
      The crossbraces shown in images of the pipes are for transport/lifting support where there will be uneven forces (not the same as the even pressure forces once sealed) and once the pipes are joined and mounted are not needed.
      The mythbusters experiments showed that they had to do *significant damage* for the tanker to collapse and tankers have much thinner skins than the hyperloop track does.
      Sudden shock point pressure on a surface/material/tube is not the same as constant or slowly changing uniform pressure.
      Sealed expansion joints are a many times solved thing for low pressure systems and long pipelines even on the scale we are talking about for hyperloop.
      As are station "airlocks" and emergency air for passengers
      The crash/failure would not be as stated because 1) low pressure not vacuum and 2) vehicles will not be tight to the walls as in the youtube glass tube experiments.
      Cars being pushed then released on a surface lose speed due to friction once not being pushed - surprise! Physics working as expected. The competition was about an effective shape of the pod in low pressure in the tube and not about propulsion/drive/levitation/wheel friction for the final system. Also is it a surprise that a very short test track can't reach the speed in 10 seconds AND THEN STOP safely before hitting the end where the speed of a full scale system could over several minutes of acceleration over several dozen miles?.

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    69. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Major advantage of the hyper loop is billions in government subsidies to build it. Note also that they are assuming that they won't have to pay any property taxes. Curious, that assumption.

      Also, all efficiencies of the European passenger trains are based on a horrible flaw of pushing freight into the roads. In the US, we have about half the carbon footprint per net ton-mile of freight due to the aggressive use of trains.

    70. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, the best experts on vacuum in Europe are partnering with hyperloop because they claim it works easily.

      Citation needed.

    71. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1/1000 atm excplicity listed in that document shows it's a fucking vacuum.

    72. Re:Will never happens by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      That does not make it a "vacuum system" as the parent implies who tries to explain us with insults since 10 posts that the pipe will need to get a new vacuum for every trip, hence needs to be evacuated for every trip and will not work because of moisture ... etc. p.p.

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    73. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That does not make it a "vacuum system"

      Yes that does make it a vacuum system. You're a complete moron.

    74. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This one time I was at the zoo in Lyon and these two retarded monkeys started throwing shit at each other, then one sniffed its hand. How does it smell, and what the fuck does that rolfmoa thing mean?

    75. Re:Will never happens by Rob+Lister · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I can't believe anyone here actually thinks this will ever be deployed. It is so impractical you might as well use space travel to get them there. It would be cheaper too. Consider that if that tube is breached anywhere along it's length there will be a ~14 PSI wall of air moving at roughly 500 mph through the tube.

      Overpressure Physical Effects 20 psi Heavily built concrete buildings are severely damaged or demolished. 10 psi Reinforced concrete buildings are severely damaged or demolished. Most people are killed. 5 psi Most buildings collapse. Injuries are universal, fatalities are widespread. 3 psi Residential structures collapse. Serious injuries are common, fatalities may occur. 1 psi Window glass shatters Light injuries from fragments occur.

      http://www.atomicarchive.com/E... It will utterly obliterate any and every pod in the tube. You'd be hard pressed to find a piece of human meat bigger than a baseball. And that is really just one concern of a dozen.

    76. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Billions in subsidies, generates trillions of revenue over 20 years. Worth it.

    77. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is probably why Hyperloop drops many of the primary aspects of trains (slow, lots of people in a single car, large ROWs, etc) and goes for more of a taxi setup.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fze5spdN3nU

    78. Re:Will never happens by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      That does not make it a "vacuum system"

      Yes, that is exactly what it is, in every sense of the word. As someone below said, "You're a complete moron."

      The entire hyperbullshit loop is a vacuum system, that's the very basis of its design. The fact that you don't understand this means that you are, in fact, an idiot.

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      that the pipe will need to get a new vacuum for every trip, hence needs to be evacuated for every trip and will not work because of moisture

      No, that's not what's been said. The entire hyperbullshit loop will have to be pumped down and kept pumped down, which is where a lot of the expense and impracticability will come into play. I worked with vacuum extensively early in my career and I can tell you that you simply do not know what you're talking about. Getting a good, clean vacuum in the size of container they're proposing is incredibly difficult at best, and is never going to be practical at the scale they intend.

      To recap:

      1) The entire hyperbullshit loop is a complex vacuum system that will be very difficult and expensive to operate effectively, and,

      2) You're a moron.

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    79. Re:Will never happens by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

      The actual flight part of an airplane trip may be fast, but getting to and from the airport generally is not

      Only because the USA refuses to build trains. In a city like Stockholm you board a high-speed train at the airport. 20 minutes later you're downtown. Missed the train? No problem, there's another one in 10 minutes.

    80. Re:Will never happens by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      The stronger the vacuum the less air friction and therefore the higher the maximum speed possible. The system can work at full air pressure but it would be very slow. So it's a trade-off between speed and cost (to maintain vacuum).

    81. Re:Will never happens by whoda · · Score: 2

      The TSA will be all over any commercial hyperloop system. The security checks are not going away.

    82. Re: Will never happens by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Major advantage of the hyper loop is billions in government subsidies to build it.

      That's the point of government subsidies. To build / run stuff for the public that benefits the citizenry.

    83. Re:Will never happens by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      Hyperloop should be cheaper than normal rail because you can make it elevated (off the ground) and therefore don't need to own the ground. Normal rail is cheaper than roads because twin track takes up the same space as a 2 lane back road but caries the same as a 12 lane superhighway.

    84. Re:Will never happens by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Lets see, DB, the main carrier in Germany a country of 80million people with one of the largest train networks in the world taking 40000 trips per day serving 1.8million people per day, ... all it takes is every train to be late by 10 seconds to get to that 3.79million minutes figure.

      Context: It matters!

      And as someone who travels daily on DB intercity, and twice a week internationally I will fully stand behind my claim when I say there is no more punctual mode of transport available to people. Fuck 2 weeks ago I drove by car because I had to make an intermediate stop. Traffic changed my trip from 2 hours to 4 hours. Coming into Hamburg a few weeks ago by plane was delayed. No actually that's not true at all. My plane was outright cancelled, I got to Hamburg 2 days later than planned.

      Major train delays beyond like a minute or two are incredibly rare compared to delays incurred with every other form of transport.

      Context: It matters!

    85. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I'm sure you've outsmarted all the top engineers who designed this thing who are too dumb to know anything about vacuum systems.

    86. Re: Will never happens by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

      Once again, some random old guy on Slashdot has all the answers that teams of highly paid engineers and PhDs building an actual system have failed to account for.

    87. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're seriously holding up air travel against a system that goes faster, is almost impervious to weather and is probably cheaper/safer (especially over short hauls). Air travel has major drawbacks and its only real advantages over a Hyperloop type system is the infrastructure is already there and it does make sense between far flung points such as intercontinental travel. In pretty much every other metric it falls flat on its face. I'd bet we'll see Hyperloop take over for continental travel over the next few decades and air-travel get relegated to crossing oceans.

    88. Re: Will never happens by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

      Ah, so that's why my steel balloons didn't work.

    89. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only they had hired you. I'm sure this terror attack thing flew right under their radar.

    90. Re: Will never happens by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1

      The Donald can't even rein in his own hair.

    91. Re: Will never happens by WindBourne · · Score: 2
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    92. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or have a dock, either directly to the doors, or for the entire train.

      Having said that, I suspect the cost and complexity will mean that it won't be built any time soon, and ordinary high speed rail would be cheaper and a better competitor for short haul flights. Rail might need some slower underground sections for last mile to city centres in some instances, but the trains need to slow down anyway so not a huge issue, if a little more expensive expensive to build.

      In terms of the benefit of taking your car on a hyperloop, I expect by the time anything might be built, self driving cars would be common, so it would not be much of a selling point.

    93. Re:Will never happens by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      The stronger the vacuum the less air friction and therefore the higher the maximum speed possible.

      Thanks, Captain Obvious.

      You're missing the point. That has nothing to do with what's being discussed.

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    94. Re: Will never happens by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Once again, some random old guy on Slashdot has all the answers that teams of highly paid engineers and PhDs building an actual system have failed to account for.

      That is correct.

      And by the way, I'm not the only one pointing out all the places they fucked up when squirting out their engineering fantasy.

      Why don't you hop in your flying car and zoom down there, let us know how they're coming along?

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    95. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technology? That's some strange furrin stuff built by Chinese or Irish workers isn't it? Get me back to my caveman riding a dinosaur museum...

    96. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I took the Shinkansen (Bullet train) around Japan (Honshu) in 1986. These 30+ year-old trains are roomy, including luggage racks, and run at 200 kpm (125 mph).

      I was just back there in 3/2017 and read that some now run up to 320 kph (200 mph).

      And they run precisely on time.

      Sunny Guy

    97. Re:Will never happens by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Except when they want to load and unload passengers and need to put air back into the tube.

      So... you think they refill the entire tube each time so let the passengers out? Trust me, it's not Rei who's a dumbass. Also WTF? You bothered to register a username just to have a go at another poster? Priorities, dude!

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    98. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except you have the right to space above property, so you'd need to buy that. And buy land to put supports. And objections from anyone within 300 yards who can see the elevated track.

    99. Re:Will never happens by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      No, it's not. It's only operated under significantly diminished pressure, but vacuum is not required, and in the aerodynamic lift proposals, it's actually impossible for the capsules to operate in it.

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    100. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's not. It's only operated under significantly diminished pressure, but vacuum is not required, and in the aerodynamic lift proposals, it's actually impossible for the capsules to operate in it.

      Anything lower than atmospheric pressure is a vacuum you god damn stupid morons.

    101. Re:Will never happens by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      So pretty much half of the time, I'm breathing vacuum! :]

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    102. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The USA has the largest and most developed train system in the world.

    103. Re:Will never happens by xtronics · · Score: 1

      Yes it is stupid - unless the real goal is to get in on the flow of government money.

      Recycled failed ideas are the norm of our time..

    104. Re:Will never happens by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Hyperloops will have similar, perhaps even worse, issues with legroom, nausea, and a lack of capacity, plus additional issues with noise, and that's if they're able to resolve the other issues.

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    105. Re:Will never happens by Balthisar · · Score: 1

      If the train station were in Auburn Hills, then it would be pretty much identical to the situation with airports today, i.e., there'd be a taxi stand with lots of taxis.

      Actually, Auburn Hills and DTW are pretty bad examples. There's not much of a taxi culture here.

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    106. Re: Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This one time I was at the zoo in Lyon and these two retarded monkeys started throwing shit at each other, then one sniffed its hand. How does it smell, and what the fuck does that rolfmoa thing mean?

      This one time I was at the San Francisco zoo when the monkeys started screeching and jumping around. Once a big enough crowd had gathered, they started flinging shit. One shot landed in an occupied baby carriage. I was five years old, and that was the best day of my life.

      So will they be testing the HypeLoop with cigar-chomping chimps? That might be the next best day of my life.

    107. Re:Will never happens by HuguesT · · Score: 1

      Actually it is a perfectly normal speed train. Arlanda is 45km away from both Stockholm and Uppsala. It runs at about 150km/h (100m/h)

    108. Re:Will never happens by bluegutang · · Score: 1

      I agree. I think if hyperloops have a place, it's on long straight flat routes like Chicago-Dallas where many of those issues are avoided. Not on relatively short routes like LA-San Francisco where traditional high speed rail is appropriate.

    109. Re:Will never happens by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      It's called airplanes and airports and has existed since before you were born.

      You mean since World War II, and there are people alive today who were born earlier. Off my lawn with you, young fool.

      Airplanes were invented waaay before ww2.

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    110. Re: Will never happens by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Once again, some random old guy on Slashdot has all the answers that teams of highly paid engineers and PhDs building an actual system have failed to account for.

      That is correct.

      And by the way, I'm not the only one pointing out all the places they fucked up when squirting out their engineering fantasy.

      Why don't you hop in your flying car and zoom down there, let us know how they're coming along?

      Not being funny, but I'm just a random guy with no real experience in vacuum at all and even I know it's never gunna fucking work.

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    111. Re: Will never happens by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      If only they had hired you. I'm sure this terror attack thing flew right under their radar.

      So what, are they thinking it won't be a target or that it's damage/sabotage proof?

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    112. Re: Will never happens by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      The Donald can't even rein in his own hair.

      I can't be sure but I think it's supposed to look like that.

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    113. Re:Will never happens by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      I didn't realize deer were that strong!

      They carry some pretty high-power rifles these days

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    114. Re:Will never happens by mjwx · · Score: 1

      The train leaves exactly on time and arrives exactly on time pretty much every trip (and by "on time" I mean actually on time,

      OOOOHHHH KAY.

      You had me up to here.

      You've clearly never taken trains in Europe. Their on time performance makes the Airline industry look good (which actually isn't bad over here). I live in the UK and always give myself at least 30 mins padding on any rail journey. Even though London is a mere 45 mins away, getting on the tube increases that time by at least half an hour. You'd best hope there are no leaves on the track or a signal failure somewhere near Blackpool or you London based train will be delayed.

      Compared to the US, air travel is actually quite well organised and easy to take. With regional airports and automatic or web check in, I can rock up at a regional airport like Southampton with less than an hour to spare. Beats taking a train and the tube to get to the Eurostar at St Pancras, then getting on an Intercity in Brussels to get to Amsterdam. Sure the train is more comfortable but its more hassle and takes considerably longer than flying SOU-AMS.

      OK, I'm being a bit harsh on trains, but they aren't the magic bullet people think they are. They're great if you've got a line that goes direct, however changing trains is a right PITA. if you're going to be spending more than 2.5 hours extra on the train, it's faster to fly in Europe.

      I'm flying out of Heathrow tomorrow. I'm giving it plenty of time but honestly, I think I'm going to spend most of it sitting at a pub airside having a few pints. I expect I'm going to spend more time on ze M3 getting there than going through Heathrow security.

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    115. Re:Will never happens by inking · · Score: 1

      It would help you if you actually read more thoroughly. DB does not even track delays shorter than six minutes. The fact that it is late all the time is not even disputed by DB at this point, who blame it on the fact that they have too much money and keep renovating their routes.

      If you are interested in anecdotal evidence, I am yet to travel from Frankfurt Airport and arrive on time. And if we want to talk about context, yes, trains are fantastic, if you travel in Japan, they are utter trash if you travel in Germany or some third world cesspool. Implementation, it matters.

    116. Re:Will never happens by bluegutang · · Score: 1

      I have taken trains in Europe, but not in the UK, maybe it's worse there.

      I think air travel is more reliable in Europe than the US, probably because there are fewer major weather events (thunderstorms and blizzards).

    117. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's what high-power rifles do to 1-inch-thick steel:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtopxCjs518

    118. Re:Will never happens by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Feel free to try and drive to Frankfurt. Give me a call if you get there. I'm not even going to say "when".

      People like to shit on their lawn saying the grass is greener on the other side, without realising how very nice their garden actually is. German trains are still incredibly reliable in the grand scheme of things.

      By the way greetings from emsland. It only took me an hour longer than expected to drive here today. I would have caught a train if I found a connection which worked.

    119. Re:Will never happens by bungo · · Score: 1

      For sure, the rail system in the UK is worse that in Europe (or at least worse than high speed France and Belgium).

      The UK is also the most expensive train tickets in Europe. There is no hight speed rail at all. It costs far more, and is slower and less reliable to travel from Kent to London that it does to go from Paris to Brussels.

      I spend 7 hours going from London to Norfolk, the train stopped for no obvious reason 1/2 way, then later one we all had to get out and get on buses to complete the journey. It was damn expensive too.

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    120. Re:Will never happens by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Hyperloop will never be affected by weather cancellations.

      ...because they'll never be built.

      And they'll have a 100% safety record!

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    121. Re:Will never happens by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      ^^^^^^This, time 1000.

      Obtaining and maintaining thevacuum level that would be required for the hyperloop to work is no small task. Most people don't understand what's required to pull a decent vacuum and keep it at an acceptable level.

      I've had some exposure to vacuums and creating them (although I specialized in the thermal gas sources) and I have been wondering about how they plan to do it although they seem to be well within mechanical pump range and not needing anything to exotic like diffusion pumps. It also does pose some interesting ideas. That you have a tube with a large car (piston) basically means you have made the entire apparatus into a large mechanical pump. Move the car at slower speeds down the tube with higher pressure ahead of it past various pump/vent stations to help clear it, and once in operation, just the action of using it might provide the pumping action needed to keep it at acceptable levels.

    122. Re: Will never happens by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Ah, so that's why my steel balloons didn't work.

      Perhaps you should try lead.

    123. Re:Will never happens by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      And quit a bit cheaper in terms of energy.

      Except for the massive amount of energy needed to operate the vacuum pumps 24/7 to maintain your vacuum pressure.

      Thing is that the car moving down the tube will work like the world's largest mechanical pump during normal operation. Builds up a pressure in front of it that can be vented off at periodic stations along the way.

    124. Re:Will never happens by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Moisture in the air has no affect on the ability to create a vacuum. Get your retarded shill ass out of here so that you will not make even more people stupid.

    125. Re:Will never happens by jediborg · · Score: 1

      Actually, i think one of the main points of the hyperloop is for it to be in a tube kept at near-vacuum condition. Therefore there will be no 'wall of air' traveling in front of the train, the near vacuum condition prevents air resistance from slowing down the train, and would also prevent a 'wall of air' scenario in front of the tube.

      earlier on, musk had proposed a complete vacuum in the tube. This would be extremely costly AND would mean that any crack or leak in the tube would cause loss of operation and perhaps some explosive effects due to the rapid pressure differential. Using an almost-vacuum was supposed to get us the best of both worlds, low air resistance and no disasters when cracks or leaks inevitably form due to normal wear and tear.

    126. Re:Will never happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We, like Europe, already have operating downtown railway stations in essentially all major cities. No need for permits, etc., since there is zero need to reinvent the wheel. The point about the rest of the system often being terrible, applies of course.

    127. Re:Will never happens by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      That you have a tube with a large car (piston) basically means you have made the entire apparatus into a large mechanical pump.

      Maybe, but I don't think there's an airtight seal between the car and the tube, in fact I think the whole design calls for a minimum clearance to prevent contact problems that would occur at the speeds they're claiming to operate at.

      So although you might get some modest leading pressure wave that could be used to help evacuate some of the bulk air, the level at which laminar flow and molecular flow would occur never be reached at all by the vehicle acting as a piston.

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    128. Re:Will never happens by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      ..because they'll never be built.

      And they'll have a 100% safety record!

      Well, you're not wrong there, lol. (Not counting construction mishaps and fatalities, that is.)

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    129. Re:Will never happens by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but I don't think there's an airtight seal between the car and the tube
      You ... actually ... you think? I mean ... you suddenly are thinking?

      Wow ...

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    130. Re:Will never happens by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      You ... actually ... you think?

      Yes, you should try it some time if you ever leave your basement and your fictional wife.

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  3. The UK!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're kidding right? Seriously Elon, where in the UK will you do this, below or above ground?

    Are you expecting Eminent Domain in the UK?

    This is just comedy.

    Funnier even than Uber trying to take on cabbies.

    1. Re: The UK!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People grumble enough about HS2 in terms of despoiling the countryside and cost.

  4. Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by elrous0 · · Score: 0, Troll

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    Just another Elon Musk con.

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    1. Re:Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That video says, there are only artist renditions. This article says, there is a test track in the desert outside Las Vegas.
      Either the test track doesn't exist, or the cited video is obsolete/bullshit. Easily verifiable.

    2. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a 1600 ft track, which is feasible.

      Multiple hundreds of miles of track? Just the negative pressure in the tube would require an immense amount of power to make happen, initially. Then you have the track/tunnel heat expansion issue. And then any puncture in the tubing will likely kill everyone inside from start to finish.

      Yeah... Boondoggle in reality. But in reality-reality, it's just a way for Elon to fleece the govt out of cash.

    3. Re:Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there are a couple of videos that totally bust Thunderfoot attempted bust. Gotta be fair.

      Another Elon Musk con? Like the last one where he said he was going to land the first stage of his rocket and he... oh wait no, the one where he said he was going to land it on a barge... no that's not it... oh, the one where he said he was going to reuse the stage... ha ha... what a con.. oh, did that one too. Well - at least he's never created a car company from scratch or anything like that... wait...

      New for nerds man -- get on the train!

    4. Re:Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by Rei_is_a_dumbass · · Score: 0

      And there are a couple of videos posted by moron that totally don't bust Thunderfoot factual bust.

      Fixed that for you.

    5. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen the Hyperloop One test track north of Vegas, it is real.

    6. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      yeah, I can see why you remain AC. I would too after putting such BS out there.

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    7. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "t's just a way for Elon to fleece the govt out of cash."

      Like SpaceX going to Mars, it is just a publicity machine for Elon Musk. Doesn't matter if it doesn't work.

    8. Re:Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many billion dollars has "Thunderf00t" made with his space and car companies? Yes, it's the same number as you - none.

      And I think ad hominem attacks are appropriate in this case when you are citing some fucking internet nobody who proudly advertises his name with zeros instead of 0s. Fuck you and all your kind, and the stupidity that you spread like a disease.

    9. Re:Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And there are a couple of videos that totally bust Thunderfoot attempted bust.

      Any of them versed in science? Why don't you post them?

      Nullius in verba

    10. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

      yeah, I can see why you remain AC. I would too after putting such BS out there.

      The fact is that, anonymous or not, he's right.

      Pulling a vacuum in all the miles and miles and miles of tubing will require an immense amount of power to acheive, and an immense amount of power to keep it under useable vacuum.

      The expansion and shrinkage of the tunnel is also an enormous engineering obstacle that is unlikely to be solved at any practical price.

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    11. Re:Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many billion dollars has "Thunderf00t" made with his space and car companies?

      The same amount as Elon. None since both those companies lose money hand over fist.

      Also real nice quality control on those cars there.

    12. Re:Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      "How many billion dollars has "Thunderf00t" made with his space and car companies? Yes, it's the same number as you - none"

      About the same number as Musk's high tech schema also. Solar Cities seems to be (have been?) a money sucking disaster whose troubles have been hidden by tucking it into Tesla . Many folks think it was/is a scam aimed a skimming off government subsidies and leaving homeowners with an incomprehensible, unbreakable lease on equipment that doesn't work as promised. Tesla looks likely to be a monumental bubble although it possibly has some chance of pulling through. The battery factory may well be OK although it faces REALLY stiff East Asian competition. Space X is an admirable effort and it may eventually show significant profits depending on how many of the reused rockets self destruct leaving the company with a bill for the destruction. But if you believe the WSJ, SpaceX profits were slim in 2014, negative in 2015 and probably minimal to non-existent in 2016.

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    13. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Insightful

      nope. Heck, they do this now with Large Hadron Collider.
      In fact, there are a number of companies that deal with this that say it is a none issue.

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    14. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Heck, they do this now with Large Hadron Collider

      At an incredible expense. Plus that vacuum chamber has a diameter of a few centimeters. Now where near the two meter diameter hyper loop will require.

    15. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by Derekloffin · · Score: 1

      Even the LHC is tiny by comparison to the proposed tracks, and it has suffered many leaks. It also is located underground and further temperature controlled giving it a far more stable heat expansion of just a 1mm, but even that they have to be careful with. The hyperloop propose is in a completely different ballpark as far as technical issues. Even if they could solve thermal expansion, tectonic plate shifting, vacuum maintenance, etc, they still ultimately have the biggest issue, the tube is SERIOUSLY dangerous if damaged as it has an absolutely insane amount of energy potential in that huge vacuum and the passengers are fundamentally right at ground zero of that danger.

    16. Re:Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Any of them versed in science?

      Preferably a science other than biochemistry?

    17. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2

      Heck, they do this now with Large Hadron Collider.

      LOL!

      The tube diameter of the LHC is 5cm (external diameter 53 mm, wall thickness 1.5 mm). So it's only 5 cm across while the hyperbullshit loop is supposed to be 2 meters across.

      The LHC is a bitch to evacuate and keep evacuated, and they almost never EVER vent it to atmosphere, unlike parts of the hyperbullshit loop which will be regularly and frequently vented to raw atmosphere.
      .
      Oh, and don't forget that the Large Hadron Collider doesn't have multiple vehicles zooming around inside it at 200 MPH.

      If you can't see the basic flaws in your (lack of) reasoning, no amount of information will clue you in to just how impractical the hyperbullshit loop really is.

      It's just NOT going to happen, no matter how bad the hyperloop fanbois want it to happen.

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    18. Re:Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at least he's never created a car company from scratch

      He didn't. He bought it.

    19. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not right, because it won't be a vacuum. Try arguing against the facts rather than a strawman.

    20. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 0

      The basic flaw is in your reasoning and not the parents.

      1) The tube diameter of the LHC is 5cm (external diameter 53 mm, wall thickness 1.5 mm). So it's only 5 cm across while the hyperbullshit loop is supposed to be 2 meters across.
      You likely mean ten meters, not two. What is your problem? The forces are independent of the diameter.

      2) The LHC is a bitch to evacuate and keep evacuated, and they almost never EVER vent it to atmosphere, unlike parts of the hyperbullshit loop which will be regularly and frequently vented to raw atmosphere.
      Both wrong. The LHC is in a hard vacuum, as good as we can get it on earth. The Hyperloop has 1% - 10% rest pressure. The LHC obviously never gets vented, unless people work inside if it, surprisingly: the Hyperloop gets not vented either ... why would it?

      3)Oh, and don't forget that the Large Hadron Collider doesn't have multiple vehicles zooming around inside it at 200 MPH.
      The vehicles in the Hyperloop are floating on mag levs ... and the speed is only limited by the rest pressure and the length of the trip.

      It's just NOT going to happen, no matter how bad the hyperloop fanbois want it to happen.
      Did you read the summary? Or any other news? Basically everyone is at the start and ready to go, companies in Europe who will provide the know how are in talks etc.

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    21. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 2

      I'm skeptical myself of the business practicality of this. Given enough $$'s I'm sure it could be made to work, but how does that translate to ticket prices? Having said that, they are starting with some small-scale prototypes. This should give the engineers and business types some actual numbers to play with. And start to find some of those unknown-unknowns...I don't think this will work out, but I'm hoping I'm wrong.

    22. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The forces are independent of the diameter.

      WRONG!

      The Hyperloop has 1% - 10% rest pressure.

      WRONG! The design document clearly states 0.1% or 1/1000 atm.

      the Hyperloop gets not vented either

      WRONG!

      ... why would it?

      Because you need air locks at the end that get pumped and vented so you can do things like load and unload passenger. In the middle you need pumps running 24/7 to maintain the vacuum pressure.

      The vehicles in the Hyperloop are floating on mag less

      That vehicle is applying forces back on tube. That's how Newtons laws work.

      Basically everyone is at the start and ready to go, companies in Europe who will provide the know how are in talks etc.

      These companies know they make bilk a ton of money out these hyper morons as they fail to make anything that would be economical.

    23. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 0

      Everything you just said is wrong, but such is the nature of hyperbullshit loop nutters. Deny physics and reality while you argue from ignorance.

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      The forces are independent of the diameter.

      Oh. My. God. You didn't really just say that, did you? That was a 100% TOTAL FAIL, and you should learn some basic physics. Holy shit, that may be one of the most ignorant things I've ever heard. I should print out your post and frame it.

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      the Hyperloop gets not vented either ... why would it?

      Why? Ummm, so people can get in and out, you fool.
      The airlocks have to be completely vented to atmosphere and then pumped down again, and since they won't be pumped down to the level of the main tube they'll introduce residual air into the main tube. All of the vehicles will be exposed to raw atmosphere over and over and over and over, which means they'll they'll outgas indefinitely, further contaminating the main tube. You really don't know anything about vacuum technology, do you?

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      The vehicles in the Hyperloop are floating on mag less

      Oh, so that means the weight of the vehicles just magically goes away and isn't transferred to anything, right? Magnets, HOW DO THEY FUCKIN' WORK?

      (Even though they may be floating on mag lev, the weight still has to go somewhere, science-boy. That's basic basic basic physics.)

      Thanks for playing, angel'o'sphere, it's been a real hoot finding out just how ignorant you are.

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    24. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Why? Ummm, so people can get in and out, you fool.
      WTF, what is wrong with you?

      The people don't "exit the train into the former vaccum" walk out of the tunnel, close the tunnel again, pump out air again. That would be completely silly and technically much to complicated anyway. Why would anyone do that and why are you so dumb to think that? And insult people here with _YOUR_ stupidity?

      The tunnel keeps its vacuum. Either you
      a) have docking tubes that connect the car with the exit, and people walk through that
      b) the nose of the car docks with the tunnel end, you seal off the car with a ballon/tire like seal

      (Even though they may be floating on mag lev, the weight still has to go somewhere, science-boy. That's basic basic basic physics.)
      Yes, obviously. But as the car touches nothing it is irrelevant how fast it runs, except for energy to accelerate and breaking.

      All your fluffy arguments are just bollocks, but I give up to talk to someone who does not grasp basic physics and is to lazy to read up how the hyperloop is supposed to work and instead of this always invents "fake facts" why it can not work. And on top of that because of his own lack of knowledge is insulting his discussion partners constantly ... so farewell.

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    25. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 0

      Either you
      a) have docking tubes that connect the car with the exit, and people walk through that
      b) the nose of the car docks with the tunnel end, you seal off the car with a ballon/tire like seal

      It's called an "airlock", you dumbfuck.

      How about learning some science, physics, and basic vacuum terminology, or would that take too much time away from talking about shit you know nothing about? Learn about vacuum transfer mechanisms, outgassing, and vacuum technology in general and you might not come off sounding like such an imbecile.

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      Yes, obviously. But as the car touches nothing it is irrelevant how fast it runs,

      We're talking about the forces transferred to the surrounding containment structure. Try to keep up, honey.

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    26. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      oyeeesh.

      Can you just go back to waving your cane at twitter users, Mr Old Guy? That's funny to watch. This by contrast is just painful.

      PS Are you still convinced I'm a Trump supporter?

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    27. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Can you just go back to waving your cane at twitter users, Mr Old Guy?

      I don't have a cane, so no, I can't.

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      That's funny to watch. This by contrast is just painful.

      Yes, science is often funny to those who don't understand it.

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      PS Are you still convinced I'm a Trump supporter?

      Are you now admitting you're not?

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    28. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      I don't have a cane, so no, I can't.

      You should get one. It suits your style.

      Yes, science is often funny to those who don't understand it.

      As is the reaction of those who don't.

      Are you now admitting you're not?

      I admit nothing to you: it's funnier to dee your deductions!

      Anyway, my wife says I now have to go and drink whisky, so ttyl.

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    29. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Anyway, my wife says I now have to go and drink whisky, so ttyl.

      The drinking explains a lot of your comments.

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    30. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      The drinking explains a lot of your comments.

      Quite possibly, but at least my posts have an explanation.

      Still decided whether or not I'm a Trumpanzee?

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    31. Re:Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Logical fallacy: Appeal to authority

      Musk has had previous successes, but past successes do not guarantee future success. He has a good track record, but they have a fairly sound business plan that are trying to address economies of scale, not fundamental engineering limits.

    32. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Quite possibly, but at least my posts have an explanation.

      So does the way a monkey flings its poop.

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      Still decided whether or not I'm a Trumpanzee?

      You seem obsessed with my opinion on this, which is both flattering and disturbing.

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    33. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      You seem obsessed with my opinion on this, which is both flattering and disturbing.

      Fascinated more than obsessed I'd say. It's like watching a train wreck, you don't really want to see it but it's hard not to watch if it's happening in front of you.

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    34. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Fascinated more than obsessed I'd say.

      I'm flattered that you find what I do to be so fascinating.

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    35. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I'm flattered that you find what I do to be so fascinating.

      Flattered? Welp... That's kinda like being flattered by the police attention you 'd get for indecent exposure, but sure, whatever floats your boat.

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    36. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Consider my boat floated.

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    37. Re: Thunderf00t alreay debunked this fraud by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      ew.

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  5. Run the numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Solve an actual logistics problem witch have the value to cover the expenses. Run the numbers, not only the PR - vision quest - tax break machine. It would be nice to have a successful introduction of a fresh technology, for a change.

  6. Houston-New Orleans-Austin by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Elon ought to build the first one down here. It would be great to take a train to New Orleans for lunch, maybe hear a band in Jackson Square, have BBQ at the Broken Spoke in Austin for dinner, catch maybe a Joe Ely show and sleep in my own bed in Houston that same night.

    Plus, there ain't shit in between Houston, New Orleans and Austin, so nobody will be inconvenienced.

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    1. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by Rei_is_a_dumbass · · Score: 0

      It would be great to take a train to New Orleans for lunch, maybe hear a band in Jackson Square, have BBQ at the Broken Spoke in Austin for dinner,

      Keep dreaming moron. It takes a half hour to just pump out the air to get the vacuum they need. You be late for work.

    2. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I guess we'll see if Elon can build across miles of Atchafalaya swamp. Or would want to.

      Dallas to Houston makes more sense. I-45 being such a piece of shit highway.

    3. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Dallas to Houston makes more sense. I-45 being such a piece of shit highway.

      Don't nobody want to go to Dallas.

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    4. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Why should it?
      The tunnel is always under vacuum (*facepalm*)

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    5. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why remove the vacuum from the whole line when you only need to do it at the ends. Re-vacuum the ends and then open up the rest of the track.

    6. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by Rei_is_a_dumbass · · Score: 0

      Why remove the vacuum from the whole line when you only need to do it at the ends. Re-vacuum the ends and then open up the rest of the track.

      Those end points will tale a half fucking hour to pump down you fucking moron.

    7. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll admit, I haven't looked at the proposal. The car where people are located is obviously not under vacuum. Why is is necessary to remove vacuum from the tunnel? What about an airlock?

    8. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by Rei_is_a_dumbass · · Score: 0

      What about an airlock?

      The air lock will take that long to pump out you god damn fucking dumbass moron.

    9. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you should check in the internet how stuff works.

      I mean ... are you really that dumb or are you just pretending? I mean your name already is kinda ... well ...

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    10. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by msauve · · Score: 1

      Put an airlock on either end of the loading area. The "train" itself consumes most of the volume of the tube, so there's very little volume in the remaining space. Once it's sealed, you can bleed the relatively small amount of air into the very large volume of the rest of the tube.

      Hyperloop doesn't run in a vacuum, just very low pressures of about 1 millibar (~ 1/1000 normal pressure). Just napkin math, but let's say the loading area is 1/10 mile long, and the distance between stations is 100 miles. Releasing the air in an atmospheric pressure loading area empty of a train into the tube running between stations would only increase the pressure in that section to 2 millibar. But, the train itself is the bulk of the volume, let's say 9/10. Now, releasing the air surrounding the train into the tube only results in an increase from 1 millibar to 1.1 millibar. I suspect the design accommodates much more variance than that. If you're at an intermediate stop, you can vent to the section of tube the train just arrived from, and not effect the next leg at all. And that can be improved upon - have a vacuum tank which is equal o the volume of the loading area, right next door. Now, you can quickly vent to that, reducing the initial pressure to 1/10 (the train takes up 90%, so there's a 10:1 volume ratio), and then vent into the tube, so now you're only talking a 1% increase of pressure in the tube.

      All of which can happen quite quickly, you fucking dumbass moron.

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    11. Re: Houston-New Orleans-Austin by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Have you ever in your life said something intelligent?

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    12. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How hard of a vacuum do you think they're trying to pull? You need only reduce the amount of air in the tube to an effective altitude that lets you squeeze the remainder past the sides of the train and stay within reasonable margins for propulsion power usage. Relatively simple multi-stage turbines are probably adequate for achieving this... no need for positive displacement pumps or turbomolecular pumps. It's a lot of air they'd be moving, but think about how many pounds of air a modern large turbofan moves... something in the ballpark of 3000 lbs/sec for a GE90 (~90k lbf thrust, 2:1 pressure ratio)... more than one stage would be needed (in an axial turbine system, there'd also be stators, further improving the effective pressure ratio) to pull the vacuum needed, but it's pretty obviously doable. The expense and power consumption of such a thing are another matter.

    13. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hyperloop doesn't run in a vacuum, just very low pressures of about 1 millibar (~ 1/1000 normal pressure).

      That's a vacuum you fucking dumbass. The obstruction of the pod means the means the gas has a harder time getting to the pumps due to lower conductance.

    14. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Addendum: vacuum reservoirs are also a thing. You can pump your vacuum well in advance of ever needing to tap it; in fact, I'd find it odd if they didn't already plan to do something of this nature.

    15. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How hard of a vacuum do you think they're trying to pull?

      1/1000th atm is pretty significant vacuum. Take a look at how long it takes to pump out a volume to the same pressure comparable to a what a hyper loop air lock would need. Remember this video is sped up. Also the presence of the pod will lower the conductance of the air significantly.

    16. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seen that vid before and love it :D . Very true, I did also reply to the nice fellow with a suggestion that they could use vacuum reservoirs to save a large amount of time that would be spent pumping. While an axial turbine system would not likely be feasible for 1/1000 atm, you could use turbines to do the first stage of the evacuation, and use large reservoirs pumped down to a harder vacuum to get a bit further. It seems like the final stage of evacuation might be best served with many small ports attached to many small pumps throughout the chamber it rests in. I'm still out on whether the whole thing is truly feasible at scale, but I feel obligated to provide the ragers/haters with food for though.

    17. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So a Musk-hater is showing off his brand-new handle. Did poor baby short one of Musk's stocks? I hope you lose everything you dumb fuck.

    18. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      H-town suburb dweller here, I-45 is fucking awful. Not too long ago, they had a car-sized pothole open up in the main lanes near were I live.

    19. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by fermion · · Score: 2
      Unfortunately they better stay away from Texas. The Lege is currently working on legislation meant to restrict the ability of transportation projects, specifically high speed rail, to use state funds and emminent domain to complete the projects. If they were building an pipeline, that would be great. The state government has not problem in stealing peoples land and giving it to a foreign government. But if these bills get passed, it is going to be pretty easy for a land owner, or a municipality, to go to court and block the project.

      For years, researchers have identify Texas as the best place to prototype a high sped transportation system, specifically between houston and dallas, becuase so much of the right of way is already owned by the state and there is a great deal of traffic between the two locations. However, the politics has never been amiable to this happening. The other issue is that lack of ancillary public transportation. Megabus can get you between cities pretty fast, but what do you do when you get there? In cities like San Antonio you have to get a Uber. In Houston you can take light rail to get to a few places, but Austin you are stuck on unreliable busses. It is not like Portland and Seattle where you can hope on another train and basically get anywhere you want..

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    20. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      A train, yeah. A small, cramped, windowless, probably noisy capsule in a tube, however, is another story, even if the journey time is substantially lower.

      Hyperloop is just the latest development in making transportation even shittier.

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    21. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't it be cheaper to have Gumbo and BBQ flown into Houston, if you do it on May 11th Joe Ely will be in town. Save the trip to NOLA until you have the time to take the bus - there's plenty to see on the way, I've done the drive.

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    22. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      A train, yeah. A small, cramped, windowless, probably noisy capsule in a tube, however, is another story, even if the journey time is substantially lower.

      Have you been on an airplane lately?

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    23. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      if you do it on May 11th Joe Ely will be in town.

      Brother, I will be there. It's going to be at the Discovery Green, right? I can ride my bike up there.

      Save the trip to NOLA until you have the time to take the bus

      I've taken that bus ride a bunch of times. In fact, I'll be taking it for the New Orleans Heritage Festival at the end of the month. I stay in the Garden District, so once I get there, I don't really need a car for anything.

      there's plenty to see on the way, I've done the drive.

      Too many refineries. I love South Texas, but it's not really the most scenic place. From downtown Chicago, you can drive less than an hour and be in the rolling hills of Southern Wisconsin. In Houston, you drive for an hour to get to your friend's house and you're still inside city limits.

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    24. Re: Houston-New Orleans-Austin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Has your dumb ass ever worked with a vacuum system? No! So you don't know what your talking about.

    25. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      At, but at least you have a reclining seat

      But yeah, no windows is a show stopper

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    26. Re: Houston-New Orleans-Austin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure the engineers with fancy degrees haven't considered any of this stuff. Maybe, since you're so smart, you should go help them out. I bet it would pay pretty well.

      It's got to be more fulfilling than living in your Mom's basement trolling internet comment sections.

      Oh, and from a technical standpoint, literally every thing you've said in this thread has been utter nonsense, but of course, you know that, you're just being a cunt for the lulz because your brain stopped developing when you were 11 years old.

    27. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Why would a capsule flying through a vacuum floating on magnetic fields be noisy?
      Obviously it is most likely windowless. You would need to have windows in the pipes, too. No idea if that makes sense or is a weakness for the structure.
      However when I use a subway I'm reading most of the time, and don't care about windows.

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    28. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      When you put in the permit for hyperloop in Texas, tell them it's an oil pipeline. The Trump supporters won't know the difference and nobody else will object.

    29. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      You don't want windows on hyperloop. The shadows from the buildings flashing past at 700 mph would be like having a strobe light in your face.

    30. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Well, would depend on the route. I guess if it goes a big deal over empty land, why not. I was more wondering if the pipeline can made with windows, especially if that dramatically increases the cost or not.

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    31. Re: Houston-New Orleans-Austin by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      Of course the engineers on this have thought of all the downsides. But as long as Musk keeps paying them they will go along with the shit until it hits the fan.

    32. Re:Houston-New Orleans-Austin by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      I enjoyed the drive, but then I was as stressed out as all hell and the drive calmed me down, also I agree that the best part of the drive was on the LA side of the border, through airboat country, past Jimmy Swaggart's place. As it turned out I drove past Houston and wound up in Hempstead - that was an adventure too. I wound up in the "wrong" pizza hut, met some great people. Good times, I should wildly underestimate the distance between places when looking at rental car company maps and get lost more often.

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  7. On Slashdot 15 Years Ago... by pipingguy · · Score: 1

    Vacuum Tube Train Transportation

    "Evacuated Tube Transport (ETT) is a new kind of transportation system that requires less than two percent of the energy of current transportation methods. It is also much safer, and can be faster. [...]"

    https://tech.slashdot.org/stor...

    1. Re:On Slashdot 15 Years Ago... by phozz+bare · · Score: 1

      Wow, even the comments are indistinguishable from today's.

    2. Re:On Slashdot 15 Years Ago... by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      Good one! I have never heard about this ETC3 Global Alliance company, but apparently they are closely related to Hyperloop. In July 2013, Elon promised to invest in their prototype and, one month later, "the outline of the original Hyperloop concept was made public"! Isn't this curious?

      Their site is still up and contains lots of information which some people might want to read like history/expectations and licenses (they sell you the right to participate in the development of their intellectual property!).

      Without even coming into the technical aspects of Hyperloop, its feasibility and motivation/expectations (as highlighted in one of my previous comments here, this video summarises quite well my ideas on this front), the exact relationship between this company and Hyperloop is interestingly unclear.

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  8. Why oming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cheyenne-Houston?!?

    The oilman special? These guys all have private jets.

    1. Re:Why oming? by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

      Is there something about Cheyenne that makes the whole population travel happy?
      Making a metro area of less than 100k people a major travel destination sounds a bit like bullshit to me.

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  9. Denver to Vail: DO NOT WANT by BigDukeSix · · Score: 1

    If you talk to Vail locals who knew the original founders (there's plenty still around), they will tell you that Vail's site was chosen in part because it's on the opposite side of Vail Pass from Denver, thus making it hard for large numbers of people to get in after a big snow dump. I don't think Vail would want this tunnel thing.

    1. Re:Denver to Vail: DO NOT WANT by somenickname · · Score: 1

      Denver to Vail also seems like the hardest, by far, to physically construct. I genuinely don't think the US has it in them to construct hard infrastructure projects like that anymore. If it's not profitable by next quarter, it's not going to get built.

    2. Re:Denver to Vail: DO NOT WANT by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      you would be wrong.
      ALL of the ski resorts want this. In fact, NEED this. So does the gambling towns.
      More importantly, a hyperloop is ideal for this. The ability to stop at point and having a bussing system in place is IMPORTANT.

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    3. Re:Denver to Vail: DO NOT WANT by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      denver2vail is actually EASIEST. The reason is that plenty of public lands to go through. And if done elevated, the supports can have protection against avalanches, slides, etc. IOW, this would be better than I-70.

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    4. Re:Denver to Vail: DO NOT WANT by somenickname · · Score: 1

      Right. Building infrastructure from the plains to the mountains is super easy because some stretches are public land. Hint: There is a reason those stretches are public land. Because it's incredibly difficult to build anything there.

    5. Re: Denver to Vail: DO NOT WANT by WindBourne · · Score: 1

      No, it is because we made those state and national forests 100 years ago. And there are plenty of valleys to go to.

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    6. Re:Denver to Vail: DO NOT WANT by slew · · Score: 1

      If you talk to Vail locals who knew the original founders (there's plenty still around), they will tell you that Vail's site was chosen in part because it's on the opposite side of Vail Pass from Denver, thus making it hard for large numbers of people to get in after a big snow dump. I don't think Vail would want this tunnel thing.

      Have you read the book The Inventors of Vail?

      As I recall, Vail was basically born to be a resort that was between Aspen and Winter Park on US hwy 6 (now I-70). They were banking on the fact that I-70 would take the US-6 path rather than the US-40 path (this I-70 decision was made in 1960 before Vail got off the ground in the mid '60's even though I-70 didn't start construction for another decade).

      FWIW, the California Zephyr train takes a track that goes from Denver to Winterpark ski area, and then to Granby and Glenwood Springs. The tracks don't currently go near Vail (which is sorta between Granby and Glenwood Springs) because Vail is in a deep valley surrounded by mountains, so the train goes around following the less treacherous US40 route (north through winterpark, granby and kremmling).

  10. Seismic stability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Long distance "tubes" will inevitably cross fault lines in seismically active regions. What happens to the people travelling 500 MPH inside that tube during a moderate to strong earthquake?

  11. Monorail! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If it goes to Rockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook, I'm all for it. It'll put them on the map for sure.

    1. Re:Monorail! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there a chance the track will bend?

  12. Hiring! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe I can not be a part of the team that builds starships, but at least I can become part of this alternate future!!

  13. Barstow to Vegas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would be awesome.
    I never understood how retarded people really are until I started reading comments.

  14. Well then they are set by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    The Lege is currently working on legislation meant to restrict the ability of transportation projects, specifically high speed rail, to use state funds and emminent domain to complete the projects.

    And why do you need state funds to build something so obviously profitable? Private companies are going into space now, why not the ground.

    If they were building an pipeline, that would be great.

    And what is the Hyperloop but the ultimate pipeline?

    Austin you are stuck on unreliable busses.

    Not when self driving taxis become commonplace (~3 years)

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  15. Integrate cars with trains by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    The investment needed for hyperloop is so high I am not sure there is enough traffic in USA to support it. May be Japan, may be Europe. But even in Japan the next generation of maglev bullet trains with speeds exceeding 500 kmph is forever in development and concept stage.

    Given the urban sprawl and ubiquitous cars there is no real point in connecting old city centers with other city centers.

    One of the suggested routes is Chicago-Pittsburgh. The distance between I76-I79 intersection north of Pittsburgh and I294-I80 intersection south of Chicago is about 480 miles. A non stop train at 160 mph can cover it in 3 hours. If it is possible to drive a car on to a flat bed car at I76-I79, park and sit inside the car for three hours while the train hauls you up to I80-I294 could be developed at reasonable cost. Add a few passenger cars for "first class" and let people sit in their own cars for "economy". Add concessionaires for food service for another line of revenue.

    If highway intersections about 450 miles apart are connected by such trains covering them in 3 hours, and if there is a network of them and if the service has enough frequency, there will be enough demand for it. You save on rental cars where you go, and you can travel 900 miles a night on two legs, without paying for motel/hotel. Saving on tolls too.

    Rolling friction between steel wheels and steel rails is so low, a two ton car goes 225 miles on a gallon of gas. 450 miles in three hours for a 2 ton car and five passengers can be priced competitively with gas and tolls. For USA such a solution that allows you to take the car with you is a lot more appealing because of the car culture and the lower population density.

    I grew up in India with very cheap trains. I could catch a train at 10pm in Bangalore, with a sleeper berth, and wake up in Chennai or Hyderabad after a good night sleep. I have seen how expensive it is to grade and level and lay tracks. It is a criminal waste we let wonderfully graded rail right of ways decay and rot without proper maintenance. Worse, we let the continuous rights of way be broken into fragments by selling off a few parcels of land along the way. We won't be able to rebuild them ever.

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    1. Re:Integrate cars with trains by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

      There is a bit more to it than loading cars on a railcar and hauling people that way for even an hour or two.

      They will get restless. They will need to pee. They will need something to do since sitting in a sealed railcar underground with no windows is going to be very boring.

      And some idiot will start their car engine to do something and end up gassing a lot of people. So they can't be allowed to just sit in their cars with the keys ready to go. It will have to be like Amtrak's Autotrains, where the automobiles are put on special autoracks and the end of the train, and railroad porters do the parking and start end and drive the cars off at the destination. Meanwhile the passengers go to a regular rail car to ride, use the bathroom, etc.

      The thing is, the car loading and unloading process will add significant time to the trip. It takes at least an hour at each end for Amtrak to load and unload cars, and that's in a boring railyard with regular air to breathe and no need to do airlocks. Plenty of Youtube videos show the process.

      So at some point, all the hassle of loading and unloading automobiles begins to burn up the time saved taking your car via train. It would have to be longer trips. 480 miles is enough. That's 8 hours driving, at ideal speeds. I've done road trips like that where 8 hours took closer to 12 with all the stops to pee and eat and nap.

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    2. Re:Integrate cars with trains by tigersha · · Score: 1

      "If it is possible to drive a car on to a flat bed car at I76-I79, park and sit inside the car for three hours while the train hauls you up to I80-I294 could be developed at reasonable cost. Add a few passenger cars for "first class" and let people sit in their own cars for "economy". Add concessionaires for food service for another line of revenue."

      This is done in Swizerland, especially with trucks. The Trucks are loaded on a train Freiburg, southern German, pretty much right next to my office in fact. They then get schlepped by train to Italy. The Swiss Highways are already overloaded and they ca't carry much freight through the Alps, so the train thing works well.

      There is also a car-train over Kandersteg and Simplon from the north Swiss plain to Italy. Lovely trip, and it is faster because on that stretch there is no highway tunnel. If you want to drive you basically have to ride around the mountain range, which takes half way to forever.

      "They will get restless. They will need to pee."

      Yes, this. In the truck case this is not a problem, the truck-carrying train has a single passenger wagon with a toilet in it. al the truck drivers sit in the train compartment.

      The car-carrying one does not, you sit in your car. I did exactly that in July this year, on my way to Italy. And yes, when we go to Italy I did need to pee, and so did my kids. Desperately. That was a bit of a hassle as there was a loooong queue at the outhouse at the small station in Domodossola. That is not a stupid issue, it is a real problem. And this was a 1 hour trip.

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    3. Re:Integrate cars with trains by swb · · Score: 1

      I always thought Amtrak should sort out carrying personal automobiles on their passenger trains, although I think riding in your car on the train is a bad idea for more than an hour.

    4. Re:Integrate cars with trains by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      So they can't be allowed to just sit in their cars with the keys ready to go.
      Strange that such trains work fine in Alps (Switzerland, Italy, France, Austria) ... they all have car carrying trains going through tunnels through the mountains where the people sit in the car.
      Albeit: the travel times are around an hour.

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    5. Re: Integrate cars with trains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Channel Tunnel has been carrying cars, trucks, buses etc between England and France for decades. Passengers can get out to use the toilet. Why imagine problems where they don't exist?

  16. Planes can do those things too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Airplanes can be spaceous, and have walk up ticketing, have better air traffic control, and bigger airport capacity. That all costs money. Airplanes are inherently fuel inefficient. Lots of r&d, optimization, and lack of creature comfort are used to squeeze a whopping 80 seat miles per gallon. That optimization means a person carryable bomb can kill hundreds, so hello security.

    High speed rail has a lower seat cost than airplanes, so it uses some of that on walk up tickets, and more spacious seating. You do have to pay for and maintain the fixed infrastructure.

    Americans are cheap, so they put up with the hassles of air travel to save money.

  17. California has mountains by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    California has mountains, and mountains block high speed rail, unless you drill tunnels through them, and tunnels are very expensive. France has flat land, which is cheap for HSR. China and Japan had enough population density to make it worthwhile to deal with some mountains. California and Australia don't have enough people to make it worthwhile. But hey, politicians want HSR, just like France.

    1. Re:California has mountains by trawg · · Score: 1

      California has mountains, and mountains block high speed rail, unless you drill tunnels through them, and tunnels are very expensive. France has flat land, which is cheap for HSR. China and Japan had enough population density to make it worthwhile to deal with some mountains. California and Australia don't have enough people to make it worthwhile. But hey, politicians want HSR, just like France.

      Building while the population density is low is the best time to build it!

  18. Failure of imagination. by Mr307 · · Score: 1

    So many people lost their lives when we undertook learning to fly, all the way through to rocketry and going to outer space. Every step of the way there were failures and we learned something new re engineered and now we take flying for granted. So maybe someday this kind of travel will be workable, but I dont see it anytime soon.

    I just can't get the idea out of my head that when this idea fails, its going to fail in a very catastrophic way, something that 'wasn't considered possible', or wasn't even considered. The forces involved here are pretty hefty, the environment uncontrollable and unforgiving. Let alone any consideration for vandalism or worse, a structure like that seems especially vulnerable to those kinds of things.

    1. Re:Failure of imagination. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. -- Carl Sagan

  19. Re:just like MARTA by sexconker · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've made a huge mistake.

  20. 11 destinations and 11 routes? by taniwha · · Score: 1

    Surely you mean "Click through for more information, and the list of the 22 U.S. cities being suggested for hyperloop destinations."

    Unless of course they're makng a big star with a switch in the middle

  21. They should try China instead by dbIII · · Score: 1

    They should try China instead. The USA is not even very interested in looking after the infrastructure already in place.

  22. I wonder.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Does this give new life to the phrase 'Totally Tubular?'

  23. Thursday? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Thursday Hyperloop One executives announced

    When did Thursday become an adjective? Was it supposed to say thirty? Or thirsty?

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  24. Re:just like MARTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    MARTA seems to be helping with the bridge collapse. All of the drivers left on the road are reporting much faster than normal commutes because everyone else jumped on MARTA.