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Microsoft Claims Windows 10 Saves Enterprises 28% More Than They Claimed Last Year (computerworld.com)
"Microsoft this week boosted by 28% its claim of how much enterprises can save by deploying Windows 10," writes Computerworld. An anonymous reader quotes their report:
The revised estimate came from a Microsoft-commissioned analysis first done in mid-2016 by Forrester Research. Then, Forrester said the per-worker savings over a three-year stretch would be $404. To reach that number, the research firm interviewed four Microsoft customers that had begun moving to Windows 10, then modeled a hypothetical organization with 24,000 Windows devices, and a large number of mobile workers among the 20,000 employees. Using that pretend company, Forrester forecast the difference between running Windows 10 and retaining Windows 7.
Late last year, Forrester interviewed another quartet of Windows early 10 adopters, then added that data to what it had originally. The new per-employee savings: $515 over three years, a jump of almost a third... Forrester's increase in the number of mobile workers -- the total climbed by 460 employees -- was the biggest factor in the changed estimate... The bottom line, said Forrester and Microsoft, was that the migration to Windows 10 would pay for itself -- the breakeven point when savings equal costs -- in 14 months.
The report says IT administrators "estimate a 20% improvement in management time, as Windows 10 requires less IT time to install, manage, and support with in-place deployment and more self-service functions," while because of the OS's security software, "security events requiring IT remediation are reduced or avoided by 33%."
Late last year, Forrester interviewed another quartet of Windows early 10 adopters, then added that data to what it had originally. The new per-employee savings: $515 over three years, a jump of almost a third... Forrester's increase in the number of mobile workers -- the total climbed by 460 employees -- was the biggest factor in the changed estimate... The bottom line, said Forrester and Microsoft, was that the migration to Windows 10 would pay for itself -- the breakeven point when savings equal costs -- in 14 months.
The report says IT administrators "estimate a 20% improvement in management time, as Windows 10 requires less IT time to install, manage, and support with in-place deployment and more self-service functions," while because of the OS's security software, "security events requiring IT remediation are reduced or avoided by 33%."
says the exact opposite. Too many of our Dell laptops won't even boot after an update to the video card driver. We disable it, but it just keeps coming back.
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Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
Microsoft says that buying their new product will save you more money than sticking with their previous product - so give them more of your money.
Microsoft also says you could stand a bath.
#DeleteChrome
How much losses Windows 10 causes because MS is in cahoots with intelligence agencies?
We're talking about Microsoft, right? The same one that insists on Software Assurance and requires the Windows Store?
"interviewed four Microsoft customers" if that is 4 people .... that is statistically invalid especially if you are going to extrapolate to 24k users.
If that is 4 bussinesses (which tend to use the same hardware across everyone).. it is still invalid as that only means that it works for a certain small subset of hardware.
In short, the intentionally, skewed the data using known happy customers.
because the UI is so different, a lot of users won't know what to do with considerable help.
A lot of people aren't familiar with Win 8 or newer unless they bought brand new computers. Most of the people I know stuck with Windows 7, some switched to Mac or iOS & Android tablets
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
On my computer Windows 10 cost my company $2,307. This is because it upgraded my Windows 7 computer without authorisation and fucked it up in the process, making anything dependant on mmc.exe unusable (because the upgrade fucked up the Software Catalog and wouldn't recognize Microsoft's own signature on mmc.exe). It cost my company the equivalent of $2,307 in wages and lost productivity to reinstall Windows 10 from scratch and reinstall all of the development tools that were previously running quite happily under Windows 7.
I would have much preferred Windows 7 to be reinstalled, but the company is "moving forward" with Windows 10.
"The bottom line, said Forrester and Microsoft, was that the migration to Windows 10 would pay for itself -- the breakeven point when savings equal costs -- in 14 months."
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." -- Mark Twain
Studies paid for by Microsoft (and its buddies) are of course going to "show" how wonderful Microsoft is. That's what they paid for after all. And that's no reason to report on it as if it were news; it's not news. It's wishful thinking. Along the lines of Big Tobacco's endless stream of studies that "showed" that tobacco is good for you.
Follow the money. If we've learned nothing else in the last few decades, it's follow the money.
Any savings would be lost by the need to upgrade 2 times a year to stay current in the CBB model. And ms said they won't support Surface devices with ltsb and users want stuff that isn't in CBB. Have fun with that.
A significant number of these upgrades will not be software upgrades but system upgrades. Of course a nice new computer is going to help things get done faster.
We've invested so much staff time into figuring out how to neuter Win 10's bullshit "features" like Telemetry, crappy interface, beefed up UAC (that breaks plenty of applications that we use), broken profile management, and inflexible Windows update....
Only reason we're even touching Win 10 is that 7 doesn't work well on a lot of newer laptops, and come 2020 M$ is dropping all support for 7.
Lawyers, MBA's, RIAA? A jedi fears not these things!
Another way to increase productivity is to increase talent. This year, the H-1B cap was again reached in 5 days. There's obviously a lot of demand for talent in this country but very little supply.
It's saving me quite a lot of money, because I decided not to use it and move over to Debian/KDE instead.
So yep, Win10 has been saving me money ever since it came out. I'm surprised other people are not seeing similar kinds of savings.
The stupid almost leaves me speechless.
the people who came up with this report have never worked with Windows 10.
Claims schmaims. I can claim I'm the Queen of Sheba but it doesn't mean I've got titties or a crown on my head.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
with "more self-service functions".
So the end-users take more of their time to do stuff traditionally done by IT staff.
Microsoft giveth, and Microsoft taketh away.
They sentenced me to twenty years of boredom
Forrester said the per-worker savings over a three-year stretch would be $404
says the exact opposite.
Then I guess the savings are 404 Not Found.
They have been around MS's bidding for years. When linux was first emerging, Forrester came up with TCO of linux was 15% less that of Windows directly, but support was more than 20%. Didn't make sense then. Their figures are always low in difference so they are believable for people who don't know better.
Ever since the release of the SpyOS faith in Microsoft has never been higher.
Mopst user are of course at the mercy of self-updating, cannot be switched off crap that MS forces on them...Entrprise businesses however are far more sceptical.
Here's the nail in the coffin. Entprirse businesses KNOW it will be MUCH CHEAPER to simply NEVER PURCHASE WINDOWS 10.
Go on, convince them how there'll be "uuge savings".
A 'singular oddity' is an event that cannot be explained and only happens when you are alone.
From a chipmaker heavily used by other Microsoft customers they still require their employees to reboot their windows 10 laptop every week.
The next report will include figures for weight loss and blood pressure improvements.
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My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Employers want to pay as little as possible for labor. H-1B allows companies to hire indentured servants at a 30% discount to market rates.
Raise the H-1B minimum wage to $150k/year and I'll bet most H-1B visas go unused.
My tech called me into his office and showed me the performance tab of the task manager.
He had nothing but a PDF open. when he scrolled the PDF, CPU usage went to 120% apparently because the graph went off the scale.
He was unable to complete some assigned training because his Win 10 laptop was too slow.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
33% savings from security?
If that's the case think how much you could save by using software that is incompatible with the malware that infests the MS platform. There are many other choices now.
Considerable help? Just hit the win key and start typing the name of the app you want. Works in all Windows and most Linux too.
This doesn't work the same as it did in 7, it filters anything that isn't a installed app. Example items are things like HWMonitor, even the the .exe is on the desktop the windows 10 search from start will not find it. Basically any application that didn't go through a windows install process the start search filters out.
Office 360 requires storage of company confidential content - truckloads of it - in the cloud. That is a liability. A huge liability.
It entirely defeats the purpose of things like firewall, security policy, or retention policy.
I expect some pretty large breaches, and pretty huge losses of IP in the form of industrial/trade secrets as well as classified, confidential, and proprietary content.
And without good audits, neither microsoft, nor the victim/user will know they are gone until they pop up in the competitors (China's) products at commodity pricing and with worldwide distribution.
How does that factor into the TCO?
Just like the hidden offscreen controls in Win8 such a thing is not so obvious until someone tells you or you see it for yourself. The receptionists, accounts staff and general admin staff where I work have been using MS Windows since 3.11 but they wouldn't think of hitting the win key and start typing the name of the app you want - it's not the way MS environments have worked in the past.
Wasn't there recently a report that went out about IBM switching to Apple due to the savings on support?
Congratulations Microsoft, you re-invented DOS.
Table-ized A.I.
Originally the findings were 13%, but overall drivers were able to save 15% or more when they insured with GEICO.
WARNING: Smartphones have side effects--most of them undocumented.
"Using that pretend company"...
Say no more. My pretend company installed Windows 10 and saved over 5 billion percent, and that was just during the first 2 hours.
Sadly, my other pretend company installed Windows 10 and immediately had 4 data breaches, 12 suicides, and went out of business the next week. 67% of the workers also tested positive for chlamydia.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
The average JoePublic user won't know the name of the application executable.
What if there are several versions (bad systems management) which one do they choose.
IT is fine for geeks but for a non geek? forget it.
The torrents of abuse I've had hurled at me from people who were forced by my old managment onto W10 was enough to make me throw in the towel and quit.
Users don't like change. End Of.
W10 forces a lot of change on the users.
Don't even get me started on the forced updates bricking devices. Two days before I left the above job, an update bricked the CEO's PC.
The rollout of W10 stopped there and then. No amount of cajoling would persuade me to stay on and roll everyone back to W7. I'm done with Windows for good.
I'd rather be riding my '63 Triumph T120.
I guess it's more about how people need to "relearn" how to logoff and stuff, since those functions are "slightly" moved to another place. Office drones tend to know their work pipeline down to the used shortcuts BUT NOTHING ELSE. Shit, they even call support when a warning pops up that reads "click ok to continue" if it's unexpected.
When we upgraded our company to win 10, we knew beforehand and printed out some small poster with new shortcuts, how to do basic operations like logging off or shutting down (now two distinct buttons instead of one!!!). Sad thing we had to do this, but we did ok in the end.
The "press win and type what you want to do" is just a change too big for most of the drones. I still watch them navigate manually to some subfolder to get to something.
Ouch please stop.
...than shooting themselves directly in the dicks.
because the UI is so different, a lot of users won't know what to do with considerable help.
A lot of people aren't familiar with Win 8 or newer unless they bought brand new computers. Most of the people I know stuck with Windows 7, some switched to Mac or iOS & Android tablets
Complete load of Bunk Migrated my works domain of about 100 people to Windows 10 not long after it came out and we had virtually no calls about it being difficult to use or that they could find Word, the ERP system, etc. Left face it here most peoples shortcuts are on the desktop or, at best, the task bar. They don't need to learn anything else other than where to do to shut down the computer.
Microsoft is 28% more desperately trying to convince you to switch than last year.
Good.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
...they were ripping people off 28% more last year.
Hitting a key and typing is the last thing anyone would expect to need to do on a touch UI.
After every "update", Windows 10 bricks another piece of my existing machine. After the last update, I had to find a wifi antenna. Scarce item these days in local stores. The old one had worked flawlessly for over a year. The "update" says it is incompatible. To date, I have spent over $600 replacing components that work until some genius at MS decides they don't like that brand anymore.
After manipulating telemetry data (Think stock trades, viewing business documents etc)
That's great, but according to data ( that I just made up ) 39% of all statistics are made up.
Each piece of information is worth an amount. Start counting. How much is Windows 10 costing you?
Most corporates get license compliance audits. Which are expensive to deal with. Organisations have to buy tools to track and manage deployments and licenses for Windows and other applications to deal with these issues. Nobody includes these costs when measuring ROI. http://www.cio.com/article/245...
OK, so if you install windows 10 (compared to almost anything else) you save no money at all. If you installed it last year, you saved no money. If you install it this year, you STILL save no money! Hmmmm
0_2016 x 0.28 = 0_2017
OMG! They are telling the truth! Microsoft 10 this year saves you 28% more than it did last year, because 28% of nothing is still nothing!
Of course, hmmm, if installing it actually COSTS you money -- if ROI is negative, by the time you finish messing with all of the hassles and broken bits -- are they asserting that you lose EVEN MORE (28% more!) money in 2017 than in 2016?
Enquiring minds want to know...
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Even when the experts all agree, they may well be mistaken. --- Bertrand Russell.
Very insightful. No points to mod you up, wish I had them.
I think users at my office will react similarly. We are staying with Win7 until new PCs come in slowly that only have Win10.
Most people I work with don't know the names of the apps they use. They call Outlook 'email'. They call Chrome 'the internet'.
I agree with you aside from his pompous use of "drones".
You say saving with Windows 10 will be yuge? That we'll get tired from all the winning we will do on it? That it's a big league operating system?
Sign me up!
#MakeMicrosoftGreatAgain
MS seems to be forgetting about the costs associated with hardware and software certification, not to mention the loss of legacy programs-
At least once a week, I meet another of our users who refers to their desktop as "the CPU"
Pain is merely failure leaving the body
Faster to install? HAH! We installed a fresh Windows 10 on a new, modern machine. It took over 24 hours to the updates after the install.
When your HIPAA or FERPA protected keystrokes are found on Microsoft's servers.
A sample size of 4 doesn't have any statistical power. The extrapolations are fiction. How do Forrester and Microsoft get away with this?
Complete load of Bunk Migrated my works domain of about 100 people to Windows 10 not long after it came out and we had virtually no calls about it being difficult to use or that they could find Word, the ERP system, etc. Left face it here most peoples shortcuts are on the desktop or, at best, the task bar. They don't need to learn anything else other than where to do to shut down the computer.
How nice that you had no trouble with your toy setup. The 2 largest accounts that my team administers have 15000 healthcare users in 7 AD domains & 50000 for a petrochemicals conglomerate. Total numbers of applications in use? Over 12000. If we change so much as one fucking icon without notification, we get hundreds of calls.
Pain is merely failure leaving the body