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Spotify Executive Chris Bevington Dies In Stockholm Attack (variety.com)

"On Friday, four people were killed and about 15 more were injured when a truck plowed through a shopping area in the heart of Sweden's capital," reports Variety. One of the four victims was Chris Bevington, an executive at Spotify. An anonymous reader writes: "The British 41-year-old had served as Spotify's director of global partnerships/business development, working from Stockholm," reports Variety. The streaming service's founder, Daniel Ek, confirmed the news with a Facebook post on Sunday. "Chris has been a member of our band for over five years. He has had a great impact on not just the business but on everyone who had the privilege to know and work with him. There are no words for how missed he will be or for how sad we all are to have lost him like this."

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  1. Had he been a Rust programmer he'd still be alive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    He'd be safe in his basement, covered in Cheeto dust.

    Damn you society! Why must you hate on Rust!?! Another life taken!!!!

  2. damn truck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    if only we could do something about these trucks driving into crowds by themselves for no reason

    oh well guess its hopeless

    1. Re:damn truck by Z80a · · Score: 1

      We need some sort of hero trucks, that preferably can turn into robots.

    2. Re:damn truck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ban assault trucks.
      I'm sure that will help.

  3. I loves the Religion of Peace! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You have been visited by the islamic truck of tolerance!

    Honk Honk!

    1. Re:I loves the Religion of Peace! by aliquise · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Like anyone gives a flying fuck about your magic moderation skills. Let me put it in perspective for you. I care about you, your life, and the lives of your family far LESS than I care about the dead wasps I sprayed on my porch today.

      How much you care about it is irrelevant.

    2. Re:I loves the Religion of Peace! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You either have to log out or use a different browser. You can't just click the anonymous button.

  4. Re: Had he been a Rust programmer he'd still be a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now hold on. I'm a Rust programmer and I need to clear this up. We don't eat only Cheetos.

    We eat from the whole "'tos" family. Doritos, Fritos, Oreotos( ok I cheated on that one). So stop saying we're covered in just Cheeto dust. We're covered in all sorts of dusts.

  5. Re: Leftisy government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This is why we will go to the UK in the future, but avoid Sweden and the invaded territory of Europe. They have made themselves into a violent third world shithole and committed suicide.

  6. Re:Some good news at last by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Given the tragedy that occurred comments like yours are juts appalling!

    People died here!

  7. Re: Leftisy government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    make the refugees police and let them enforce sharia law?

  8. Re: Leftisy government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
  9. Re:Some good news at last by andrewa · · Score: 1

    I suppose you would feel different about it if it was your mother that had died, especially as that would mean you would have to move out of her basement.

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  10. Re:Cost cutting by msauve · · Score: 1

    Sorry he was killed, but some Spotify exec dying is very minor news. What did the three other people do for a living?

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  11. Re:Racist by Z80a · · Score: 4, Informative

    Muslim is not a race.

  12. Are you even Swedish? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The current party is the one that put the breaks on letting refugees in and making the asylum process stricter. The guy who committed the attack was denied asylum. The previous party that was in power, which was center-right, was the one that was turning a blind eye towards unskilled immigrants arriving for years. I suspect they will try to speed up the process of deported failed asylum seekers and keeping a closer watch on them going forward.

    Some shitty people took advantage of the Syrian refugee crisis expecting they'd make it into a top European country and either be accepted despite not being Syrian or be able to get away with lying about it, and live the good life on welfare and a few extremists as well for the purpose of carrying out attacks. Europe really wasn't ready for it, did not have a strong defense on its outer border (and still doesn't, it's likely impossible to guard all possible entry points), the laws they had in place were built around handling a much smaller number of refugees in a more controlled manner. Most countries have since adapted, the number of refugees arriving has dropped dramatically, but they're still trying to figure out what to do with the ones they have and deporting the failed asylum seekers. Once the war is over in Syria, the refugees will be sent back as European countries have done with refugees from other countries that are now safe. Yeah, I'm sure some will slip through the cracks for awhile until they're caught, same shit happens in almost every major country though.

    Europe has never been heaven. There are often some difficult issues going on, countries adapt to them through the normal political process and don't need to go apeshit fourth reich like the far right thinks is the only way to handle things.

    1. Re: Are you even Swedish? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You are fucking insane.

      It is an invasion. They will never go. Why the hell would they give up welfare, free phones, free homes, and immunity from prosecution for sex crimes? It's paradise, and the 72 virgins are blonde and speak German, Swedish, and English.

      There will be another genocide in Europe, and it will be conducted under the banner of diversity, and sanctioned through the implementation of political Islam.

    2. Re: Are you even Swedish? by Kiuas · · Score: 1, Funny

      It is an invasion. They will never go. It is an invasion. They will never go. Why the hell would they give up welfare, free phones, free homes, and immunity from prosecution for sex crimes?

      Stop drinking the kool-aid. First of all it's not up to their choice. What OP was saying is that the way asylums work is that they're not eternal. People fleeing a war are given asylum until the war ends, after which it's revoked and they're returned to their country of origin. They're not given a choice in the matter. Secondly, immigrants do not have immunity from prosecution, and if you think so you haven't been looking at actual convictions.

      There will be another genocide in Europe, and it will be conducted under the banner of diversity, and sanctioned through the implementation of political Islam.

      C'mon. The amount of muslims in all european countries is so small they have next to no actual political influence to begin with, and the one's that have gone through to politics for example here in Finland have done so under mainstream parties like the Green party which obviously is not supporting political islam or sharia.

      It's one thing to point out that there are legitimate issues with the handling of refugees and the asylum-process in general (the thing that incidents like this one highlight is that it may be necessary to detain the refugees whose asylum is rejected until they can be deported) but the claim that Europe faces some threat of becoming a caliphate is simply unfounded in reality and mindless fear-mongering, which the right keeps pumping out (with hefty help from Russian 'alternative facts' sources).

      European political history is no stranger to fears of muslim invasion, which has been one of the long time boogiemen since the middle-ages, altering in the role of the 'imminent menace about to destroy the whole of europe' together with communism and occasionally the jews. It didn't happen back when the caliphate actually had vast standing armies, it's certainly not going to happen now.

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    3. Re: Are you even Swedish? by theM_xl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It didn't happen when the caliphate had vast standing armies because we had vast standing armies of our own. It's not called the Battle of Vienna because everyone got together and talked about their feelings and sang kumbaya.

      What you're saying about asylum is how it's SUPPOSED to work, not how it's working NOW. Which wouldn't be a problem if the EU was actually trying to fix the situation, but they seem to be as dangerously naieve as you are being.

    4. Re: Are you even Swedish? by Bongo · · Score: 1

      While I don't agree with the earlier post, I don't think we can go the other way either and simply claim there's no danger, because in essence, these things can't be predicted -- the problem is that nobody knows how far political islam will spread. And because it can't be predicted, people fear the unknown. Predicting it will never happen only stokes the fears of those who feel like it is happening but being ignored.

      There are many countries which turned into basket cases. North Korea, Lebanon, Zimbabwe.

      And there is no shortage of people who say stupid stuff in an islamic political context, eg. Erdogan who recently told Turks living in Germany that they should have many children so as to become the future of Europe. What if Christian leaders started telling their congregations that they should have as many children as possible to regain the majority in the country and "Christianise" the government? Religion (in its older pre-modern form) is scary because well, it is pre-modern, it more ideological, more controlling, more dictatorial, etc.

      But for Europe and Islam, I'd say a couple of things: at the end of the day, every individual makes their own interpretation of their "religion". So there is not one religion, there are billions of versions of it. Terrorists are a tiny minority view which has to use senseless violence to get themselves noticed. The difficulty though, is that the nature of monotheistic faiths is that there is only one united and true religion. So even though every individual makes their own interpretation of their religion, where there vast majority would never dream of doing anything violent, the nature of the faith is for everyone to believe that there is only one true version. Again, as Erdogan recently said, "there is no moderate Islam, there is just Islam". Basically, everyone identifies themselves as "Muslim" even though, in reality, a billion Muslims are actually all individuals with their own version of what it means to be Muslim, whilst believing that there is only one true Islam.

      I think that's why inevitably the monotheistic religions hit a dead end, because they cannot deal with the variety of reality.

      But in terms of prediction, how on earth can you predict which direction the political feelings of the masses will go when all individuals are different and yet the common belief is that they are in some sense all the same and all united? This cannot be predicted.

      As for Europe, I imagine that this is not the first time nor the last time that Europe has had to grapple with fascistic political movements. Europe is old and has had a lot of experience. For that reason alone I don't see political Islam spreading much, even as many people in other parts of the world hate the West and would love to see it crumble, just as part of our common inherited animal competitive natures.

      Terrorism will continue for some time though, and one day we may see an attack involving hundreds of thousands. But these things only "work" if they invite reprisals and retaliation at an ethnic level. And most Europeans do not identify themselves in a tribal way, as Europe is so old, and most don't get into the habit of forming militias which would tear the nation in civil war -- we really are just not that interested. So with no retaliation, the deaths are tragic but life goes on.

      If anything, Western PostModernism may spread into Islamic societies and cause endless turmoil. Anyone who thinks Islam is holding nations back, just wait until PostModernism gets in there. That's meant to be a joke. Sort of.

    5. Re: Are you even Swedish? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      given asylum until the war ends, after which it's revoked and they're returned to their country of origin.

      Here in Finland lots of people are protesting that they should be allowed to stay. It's considered racist to send them back. Even if they lied about fleeing a war and are actually provably from another country, it's considered racist to send them back. While men (>90% of the "refugees") may be sent back, women and children certainly won't, regardless of why they came here. Fake news that an illegal immigrant child was deported caused a huge scandal recently. Everyone was outraged even though it didn't actually happen. There's no way the politicians would allow that any more.

      The tax-funded state church will attempt to hide men about to be deported, so they could avoid authorities. This will complicate detaining them.

      The immunity from prosecution is more about attempting to avoid having to prosecute. For example not publishing what the criminals looked like. Clothing will be reported, skin color not, unless it's white. By minimizing the number of possible witnesses, they may be able to avoid punishing the criminals. Even if convicted, the punishment is saying "don't do it again", which for all intents and purposes is "immunity from prosecution". Mind you, that applies to rapists of all kinds, not just immigrants. But they probably wouldn't have such immunity where they came from, at least if attacking a stranger whose family finds out.

    6. Re:Are you even Swedish? by Kjella · · Score: 3, Informative

      The current party is the one that put the breaks on letting refugees in and making the asylum process stricter.

      Bullshit. All the other parties including the one in government right now have worked together to exclude the one anti-immigration party (Sverigedemokraterna, 12.86% of the vote) from gaining any political power. The only reason they slowed down a little was because the system was about to collapse under the immigration pressure. Essentially, as long as SD have <50% they'll pretend it's not there and vote the way that would have a majority without them. Right now they're polling at ~18%, with attacks like these they'll probably get even bigger.

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    7. Re: Are you even Swedish? by mtmiller100 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      [sarcasm] - how DARE you notice what's going on! Your job is to close your eyes, close your ears, and especially, shut your mouths, while these "poor, innocents" invade your country, and turn it into the exact same kind of shit-hole that they turned their homelands into. Don't you understand that the pattern of their actions can't possibly be the problem?!? The problem is that YOU noticed it, and don't want your nice country going down the same path that theirs all did!

    8. Re: Are you even Swedish? by Xenna · · Score: 1

      "People fleeing a war are given asylum until the war ends, after which it's revoked and they're returned to their country of origin."

      You're probably living in a different Europe. In the Europe I live in hardly any of the immigrants who claim to be fleeing a war ever return to their homeland. They just stay here indefinitely.

    9. Re: Are you even Swedish? by thejynxed · · Score: 1

      Political Islam not spreading much? Have you paid any attention at all to whom is mayor of London?

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    10. Re: Are you even Swedish? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Ask Jordan and Lebanon how well containing of refugees works.

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  13. Re:Racist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I don't know, they seem to be pretty eager to put the pedal to the metal.

  14. Racism is something different by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People are claiming this to justify their anti-Islam positions. Talking about this is racist.

    No, it's not. Liberals need to stop name calling and get a clue:

    RACISM IS NOT DEFINED AS "SOMETHING THAT DISAGREES WITH THE LEFT!"

    We CAN talk about issues without being racist, holding racist beliefs, or being prejudiced.

    Grow the fuck up and have adult conversations.

    It seems that many terrorist attacks in recent years have come from Muslims. This might be a false perception because of media bias, so

    1) Does anyone have strong statistical evidence that the problem is Islam, and not a different common feature?

    2) Would it make sense to bar entry to the US from certain world areas?

    3) Would it make sense to put Muslims under enhanced scrutiny domestically?

    As an anecdote to #3, I heard news articles saying that the local Imam in Florida was calling for death to gays before the nightclub attack. Are such overt calls for violence protected as free speech or freedom of religion, or should we make certain exceptions?

    Discuss. None of these questions is racist, or indicate inherent racism to an intelligent person. (But it might to liberals.)

    1. Re:Racism is something different by trawg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You seem to regularly fall for the extremist left wing nutbag douchebag comments every time to take the advantage of writing an otherwise excellent post but using it as a vehicle to basically shit on "liberals".

      Do you think that this is helping? Because to me (as a non-American who, like most of the rest of the world, are just baffled by almost everything that happens there) it seems posts like this just exacerbate the divide and try to frame everything in black and white issues.

      I agree that there are "liberal" nutjobs who are offended by everything. There are also "conservative" wackjobs that do the same. This problem is massively blown out of scale by a) the shitty echo chamber filter bubble of social media and b) the feckless media who thrive on such black-vs-white dissent because it is amazing clickbait.

      To drop a footnote like this, specifically to cast every liberal (or conservative) with a broad brush, in what is otherwise an insightful and important topic makes it look like you're not really interested in a discussion, but just scoring points against people on the "Other Side".

      Anyway. I think those three questions are interesting. But otherwise this post is kind of flamebait.

    2. Re:Racism is something different by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      As an anecdote to #3, I heard news articles saying that the local Imam in Florida was calling for death to gays before the nightclub attack. Are such overt calls for violence protected as free speech or freedom of religion, or should we make certain exceptions?

      So it's ok if a Christian preacher does the same thing, but if an Imam does it it's bad?

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    3. Re:Racism is something different by Kjella · · Score: 1

      1) Does anyone have strong statistical evidence that the problem is Islam, and not a different common feature?

      The percentage of terrorists shouting "Allahu akbar". To be more serious though, in unruly areas the border between terrorism, civil war, insurrection, sectarian fighting, war crimes, genocide and general lawlessness is quite blurry so it's hard to give a number everyone will agree on. But in Europe islamic terrorism has been the leading cause of terror in the 21st century. And unlike much of the terror of the past, it seems designed to create mass carnage and maximize civilian casualties. Same with the US even if you exclude 9/11 with Ford Hood, San Bernardino and Orlando leading the pack. Boston was pretty much a flop as deaths go, even if it swamped the news.

      In other parts of the world it depends on how you count Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Boko Haram, Al-Nusra, Daesh etc. as opposed to all the other shit that goes down. The Arab Spring for example is a giant cluster fuck. Same with Eastern Ukraine, conflicts in CAR and Somalia in Africa etc. and if you go strictly by number of deaths it's nothing like the killing fields in an actual war. The Stockholm attack is roughly one bad bus accident. In Syria ~1000 civilians die every month. Even if you put Madrid, London 2005, Nice, Berlin, London 2017, Stockholm etc. together for more than a decade of terror you don't come close to a single month. The goal is more to say nobody's safe.

      The question is more whether there's underlying tensions building up that will lead to something much, much bigger. After all, if you look in isolation it looks like the years between WWI and WWII were pretty peaceful. Then boom the casualties fly off the map. I'm not really optimistic by the results of "integration" so far, they might live here but many don't adjust much in terms of values or way of life, not even in the next generation. It took us centuries to go from the Dark Ages through enlightenment and women's suffrage to modern life, now we're starting over again for no sane reason I can think of. I guess we have a glutton for punishment.

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    4. Re:Racism is something different by tehcyder · · Score: 1, Insightful

      As an anecdote to #3, I heard news articles saying that the local Imam in Florida was calling for death to gays before the nightclub attack. Are such overt calls for violence protected as free speech or freedom of religion, or should we make certain exceptions?

      So it's ok if a Christian preacher does the same thing, but if an Imam does it it's bad?

      If a white Christian says something vile, it's just them exercising their right to free speech. If a brown Muslim does the same, the world is ending.

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    5. Re:Racism is something different by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      While the IRA could be defined as being Roman Catholic, the reason for there terrorism was not prima facie down to their religion, and their goals where not in any way shape or form religious in nature.

      The reason behind the IRA terrorism was the blatant and overt oppression of Roman Catholics by Protestants in Northern Ireland. Their goal was/is to succeed from the United Kingdom and unite with the rest of the island of Ireland and free themselves from the really quite horrendous oppression they where under.

      On the other hand Islamist terrorists are doing it all in the name of religion and their goals are religious in nature. So for example the goal of Daesh is to convert the entire world to Islam, killing those who refuse on the way.

      That is why despite being based in religion nobody in their right mind ever called the IRA Christian terrorists, apart from the fact that it would need to be Roman Catholic terrorists anyway, and I am quite sure many of them never actually attended church on a regular basis.

    6. Re:Racism is something different by jandersen · · Score: 1

      Aww, isn't that sweet? I've got modded down for replying in a measured way, responding with logical arguments and avoiding ad hominem attacks on people that disagree with me. So much for the "Grow the fuck up and have adult conversations" part of things. You see, this is the real reason why there is no adult debate about these and other difficult issues - us on the so-called left are trying, we really are, but you guys aren't playing ball, and I think we all know why: you don't have any arguments, and you don't have the balls to face up to the truth.

    7. Re:Racism is something different by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      If a white Christian says something vile, it's just them exercising their right to free speech. If a brown Muslim does the same, the world is ending.

      It seems like it's the other way around. Leftists are constantly scrutinizing anything their political enemies say for secret, coded racism, "dog whistles," anything they can use to accuse someone of thought crime, because maybe liking your own culture or ethnic group a little more than others is horrible and evil and you're a monster who should be ostracized from society. However, be a 7th century religious zealot from goatfucker land and say "Islam will dominate the world, we will kill all of you infidels for Allah, we will take your lands, your sons shall be our slaves and your daughters our whores" and the left thinks you're just swell, rolls out the red carpet for you and gives you keys to a truck.

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  15. This is a nice summary of our times. by dschiptsov · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ex-USSR uneducated, radicalized, revanshistic scum is killing people producing innovations in the heart of progressive, liberal Europe.

    1. Re:This is a nice summary of our times. by XparXnoiaX · · Score: 1

      It's older than that, mate, read history. "Barbaric" outsiders have been invading "civilized" areas for as long as cities have existed. And the 'civilized' folks have always talked about it in terms similar to yours, with nothing but disdain up until they are destroyed.

      It's an old cycle.

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  16. Re:Racist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Islam has nothing to do with Islam!

  17. Re:Fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Islam is not a race.

  18. Re:Racist by nightfire-unique · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Muslim is not a race.

    Religion is a choice, of course, and we should all be held to account for the choices and affiliations we make.

    However, I do take issue with your statement, because it implies that there are multiple human "races" when there aren't. There is only one race capable of reading this message: the human race. Skin pigment, country of origin, sex, hair/eye colour, etc., are not determinants. If we can breed, then we're the same race.

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  19. Purpose of solemnity by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Given the tragedy that occurred comments like yours are juts appalling!

    People died here!

    The only purpose of solemnity is control.

    Once you get people to be solemn in extreme cases, over time you can slowly get people to agree in less compelling situations.

    Eventually, everything becomes serious, everything is "not a joking matter".

    DOES THIS SEEM FUNNY TO YOU? HUH? HUH? DOES IT?

    Well... yes it does, actually.

    1. Re:Purpose of solemnity by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Yes, this is funny. Actually, the whole office loved it. Of course with the infamous "ho-ho-ho" laughter that people break into when they are laughing about something but shouldn't because "it's inappropriate".

      Fuck that! Like George Carlin said, "You can't joke about rape? Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd. See? It's funny!"

      Laughter is anathema to terrorism. Because terrorism aims at striking fear into your heart, and anyone laughing is not afraid. So yes, you should joke about it. Actually, you must. So should some religious asshole blow my ass sky high, be sure to not mourn but make a funny meme out of it, and spread it across the globe for everyone to laugh and ridicule that bastard, turn his attempt at scaring you into a laughing matter!

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  20. let go. by lucm · · Score: 1

    Do like me: opt out of moderation. That way you can thank people or tell them to go fuck themselves without worrying about your mod points. It's the zen thing to do.

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    1. Re:let go. by lucm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Some people here are sick of the far right shit

      By "far right shit", you mean what, people saying that Trump was a better choice than Clinton? Or that taking in boatloads of Syrian refugees is a bad idea? Nowadays that's what pass as "far right" because the leftist activists have moved the axis with their constant SJW crap.

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    2. Re:let go. by smallfries · · Score: 1

      The far left has always obsessed with people's ideologies more than their genetics. It would be more accurate to say that the far left obsess over the color of people's thoughts, while the right fusses over the color of their skin. Dividing the world into groups to control is common to extremists of all kinds.

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    3. Re:let go. by Papaspud · · Score: 1

      No, the left is ALL about skin color.

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    4. Re:let go. by aliquis · · Score: 1

      By "far right shit", you mean what, people saying that Trump was a better choice than Clinton? Or that taking in boatloads of Syrian refugees is a bad idea? Nowadays that's what pass as "far right" because the leftist activists have moved the axis with their constant SJW crap.

      There's nothing extreme with being right.
      Yeah, we're further to being right than the left.

      And no, it's not multi-cultural to destroy all cultures in the name of globalism.

      It's not racist to want to have your own people, nation, culture.
      It's not racist to not willingly destroy yourself.
      And even if it was; so fucking what? I still don't agree.

      The majority of the racists in Sweden are the left and immigrants themselves. That's because they think they have something to gain from it, not because they are discriminated against or victims of anything, rather they want to have special-treatment.
      The racists in Sweden are far in-between. To be against rapefugees, Islam and a destroyed society, foreign free-loaders, criminals from eastern Europe and so on isn't racism. It's just being sane. Egoism possibly, but letting all that shit happen to your fellow people that is being an asshole.

      The true racists and destroyer of cultures, nations and ethnicities are the globalists and socialists and those who think they can take advantage of that.

      A diverse planet is one of many peoples and cultures, an easily ruled one is one where there are no feeling of community between the people, no chance to gather up and rise up and no political competition, just the one global agenda and leader to follow with no options.

      They call those who refuse to submit for fascists.

    5. Re: let go. by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      So basically you are saying âoeI hate arabs, blacks and russians, but I am not a racist, those who call me racist areâoe. Denial is not just a river in Egypt, you know.

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  21. too soon by lucm · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Comedy is tragedy plus time".

    Rust is still a raw wound, don't pour salt in it.

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    1. Re:too soon by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It's too early.

      Make Ruby on Rails jokes instead.

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  22. And what about the other three? by piojo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do care more for this guy than the others because he worked for a tech company? The other three had hobbies, relationships, careers (except the eleven year-old).

    I get that this is a tech news site, but the fact that he worked for a company we've heard of (or that he made a lot of money) does not seem like sufficient cause to care about his death so much more than the other victims.

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    1. Re:And what about the other three? by XparXnoiaX · · Score: 2

      What makes you think we care about his death? He's just as ephemeral as the rest of us.

      But if you do care, one of the two Swedish victims was an 11-year-old girl on her way home from school. The other was a 31-year-old Belgian woman, visiting Stockholm as a tourist. The other Swedish victim isn't described in the article.

      If you care about the perpetrator, since he is a human too, he is a 39-year-old Uzbek man. In 2014, he had applied for a residence permit in Sweden, but last summer the application was rejected and he faced expulsion. In February, police were instructed to carry out the deportation. But he had disappeared.

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    2. Re:And what about the other three? by Kjella · · Score: 5, Informative

      Do care more for this guy than the others because he worked for a tech company? The other three had hobbies, relationships, careers (except the eleven year-old).

      As far as I know the other three haven't been publicly identified so it's less personal for us with nameless, faceless victims and a whole lot less to say. Not that it really matters who in that it's not a targeted attack like Charlie Hebdo, the victims are just random people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time. And that's the problem, so many apologists are still looking for a way we've wronged these people that caused them to become terrorists. But we haven't, we are simply kafir and our disbelief in Allah is our crime.

      There was a documentary here in Norway published quite recently called "The Norwegian Islamist", the main character was just convicted to 9 years in prison for terror recruitment. He had agree to the documentary to show "true Islam" and really gave a good look into his world view, it was simple yet terrifying. The world was divided in two, Muslims and non-Muslims. Nations matters not. Laws matters not. As long as he follows Islam, all is justified. Every other word out of his mouth was inshallah, if Allah wills it.

      The Islamic State is the one place on Earth where muslims can live by Allah's laws. Those who oppose the Islamic State oppose Allah, those who oppose Allah must die. He'd publicly applaud terrorists and terrorism, stopping just short of encouraging it in a way that'd be illegal. Basically he'd say something like "praise the brave martyrs in Paris, may Allah open the gates to paradise for you" or something like that. He was sending converts to Iraq/Syria to do "humanitarian aid" and you could just feel the quote marks hanging in the air like a big in-joke.

      I really didn't want to Godwin this post but if you ever wondered how the Nazis managed to justify sending women and children to the gas chambers simply for being Jews then that's exactly how he feels about non-Muslims. It's total war in its purest form, everyone is a legitimate target. And the same goes the other way around, as long as they're martyrs to the cause they're not atrocities. They're not terrorists. They're holy warriors fighting a holy war for Allah and the only thing that matters is to crush your enemies for the glory of Allah. The ultimate in "the ends justify the means".

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    3. Re:And what about the other three? by robi5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not only that. It's always the dead who are widely reported. Injured - not so much. Reading the media, there are the 'critically injured' who are implicitly conveyed as being in a purgatory - either succumbing to their injuries, or leaving the hospital.

      If you think about how many people died in Nice, London etc. and terrorist attacks in general, there's some kind of distribution curve going on. Sure, some of those injured will fully recover. I suppose that, at least as many people who died, if not some multiple of that, are left with permanent disabilities, lifelong medical conditions or unsolvable disfigurements.

      Why is media obsessed with deaths exclusively, when just-not-fatal-enough, or life-altering injuries can be as horrific as, or sometimes even worse than death?

      Where are the statistics and reports that say, X people died, Y people become permanently wheelchair-bound, lost limbs, vital organs or senses, have their face burnt or disfigured, or suffered brain injury, or in some cases, mental trauma, that ended their studies, career or even self-sufficiency? It's not like everyone injured is going home with some scratch wounds or perfectly healing bone fractures.

      A more minor point is, there's initial score keeping of the dead, but as the count creeps up due to losses becoming known, and people dying in medical care subsequently, by the time the real count is known, the media interest subsided, i.e. there's a consistent bias that results in lower perceived impact than in reality. Also, there's shock and anger right then and there, but any interviews on (short)changed lives after the years either never happen or reach a minuscule audience.

      Sure, media don't often artificially generate interest in things that are not of 'right now' time. But, when something like this in Stockholm happened, why don't media report back on outcomes of e.g. the attack in Nice? E.g. how many are still in hospital, or in rehabilitation, how many became wheelchair-bound?

    4. Re:And what about the other three? by djinn6 · · Score: 1

      You want the media to be discerning and detailed in their reporting, to show the various levels of gray rather than simply reporting black and white, and to not chase after the latest fad.

      You're asking too much of mainstream media.

    5. Re:And what about the other three? by Tailhook · · Score: 2

      Do care more for this guy than the others because he worked for a tech company?

      Yes. Had the victims been safely confined to unremarkable plebs and not included a figure from one of vaunted fight-the-man music streaming outfits you can be certain there would have been no mention of these events on Slashdot. Quite the opposite.

      Twitter has already buried his account ("Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!") , but if you dig it out of Google's cache you find Chris retweeting Obama campaign playlists. No surprise. One wonders if he too spent time down modding wrong-think "racists" in his online safe spaces.

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    6. Re:And what about the other three? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Do care more for this guy than the others because he worked for a tech company?

      On slashdot? Well.... yeah.

    7. Re:And what about the other three? by Papaspud · · Score: 1

      Karma?

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    8. Re:And what about the other three? by ath1901 · · Score: 1

      I find it very disturbing how the presentation changes when the victim was supposedly "special" and not just anyone. The implication is that we should care more because he was an executive for a well known company. But why? What if I don't like Spotify? Should I care less then? I sure hope not.

      I wish the media would try *not* to make headlines when these things happen. It may have more "news value" when someone famous dies but now is not the time to think about scoops or clicks. It isn't more tragic if someone famous dies, just as it isn't less tragic when one of us dies.

  23. well if you want to save europe... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    then you damn nerds need to start fucking, and then don't let your feminist hairy armpit wife abort your kid just because it might interfere with her important work of harassing tech companies for not being diverse enough...

    1. Re:well if you want to save europe... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I know lots of people who are fucking like crazy but alas, no success.

      One of them mentioned that we'd need a female, but I still think that's crazy talk. Females, like any of those would magically appear in our basements.

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  24. Re:Racist by Z80a · · Score: 1

    To be a racist, you need to believe there are different races in first place and classify people by those.
    Also "White racist" is a quite terrible statement, as its a racist affirmation by itself.

  25. Re:Racist by Z80a · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You don't need to be born in the middle east to explode yourself for allah.

  26. Re:Racist by Shinobi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, Homo Sapiens is a species. There are multiple races, that is, various biological adaptations to different environments etc. Claiming anything else is just ideological indoctrination, no matter if you claim that there's only one race, or that some race is worth more than others.

    There's plenty of evidence for it, like how some races are more or less susceptible to certain health issues, like say being less likely to suffer from Malaria but instead having an 8 times higher risk of contracting diabetes. Or, for another race, increased susceptibility to Malaria and more likely to suffer from clinical depression, but less susceptible to diabetes. There is plenty of biological evidence that proves your ideological imperative wrong.

    As for your statement regarding breeding, you clearly show that you are quite ignorant about biology: Races can interbreed and produce viable offspring. Hell, in some families, you can even have cross-species breeding, though the offspring becomes either completely(Liger, male Mules), or mostly sterile(female mules).

  27. Re: Leftisy government by XparXnoiaX · · Score: 1

    You did, "getting stoned" means crack rocks of course

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  28. Clearly it's not the weapon by Is+Don+the+new+Ron · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I'm neither for nor against the concept of the private ownership of portable weapons, but I think this is further proof that the question of relatively easy access to such devices has become irrelevant, at least, in cases where a determined would-be killer, whether ideologically motivated or just plain nuts, is involved. Military-style weapons such as bombs and rapid-fire guns have been used, as well as more cumbersome tools as hand guns and knives, and even implements that you won't normally think of as weapons, such as trucks and, yes, cookware (Boston marathon bombing).

    The debate over guns is another matter, but in a discussion about terrorism and other forms of mass murder, it only clouds the issue. We are really better off discussing whether we should ban globalized social media, where individuals from different cultures are exposed to a dangerous fusion of ideas.

    What I mean about such dangerous ideas is that some ideas, while relatively harmless on their own might produce dangerous consequences when combined. Conservative Islam, uprooted from its roots, could produce an inner conflict in a potential terrorist who sees "immoral" women wearing miniskirts and men drinking and doing drugs in broad daylight, actions that would be improper at worst to a culturally acclimatized member of a liberal society. Now if such ideas are restricted to the region of their origin, where such ideas are deemed conventional rather than radical, then maybe we can reduce incidents of ideological schizophrenia that lead to the random acts of violence that we call terrorism.

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  29. Re:Cost cutting by Orgasmatron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Presumably, they did not work for companies fighting tooth and nail to keep the borders open.

    It sucks that he died, sucks that they all died. It was, however, predictable (and predicted) and preventable. The last one was too, and the next one will be, and the next, etc.

    So, the red pills will flow. And when one of the victims was not spared despite working for a company that thinks that "diversity is our strength", well, like it or not, but that sort of thing makes the red pills flow that much faster.

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  30. move on by lucm · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Sweden is a runner-up for rapes per capita, fighting with Botswana for the second spot (after South Africa).

    Really messes with a statistics if you have a country like Sweden classify consensual sex, with non-consensual condom disappearance, as rape.

    They should just call it the Assange sexual offense.

    Wait, Assange apologists still exist? I though you guys had given up when he lied about surrendering if Obama granted clemency to Manning.

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    1. Re:move on by quax · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't see how this counts as an Assange apology. I consider him an asswipe but not much of a rapist. Just states the facts of the case as I understand them. If anything this makes him burrowing in that embassy even more ridiculous.

      The main point was to explain why the statics is so skewed.

    2. Re:move on by lucm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't see how this counts as an Assange apology. I consider him an asswipe but not much of a rapist.

      It's not a simple case of "condom disappearance".

      He insisted a lot (apparently it's a thing with him) but the girl said she didn't want sex without a condom. A couple hours later she wakes up with him inside her, fucking her and not wearing a condom. Of course the Assange apologists focus on the condom thing to spin it as some kind of pathetic argument. But can you please explain how someone can give consent in their sleep?

      When it comes to determining if something is rape or not, here's a simple test: ask yourself how you'd feel about it if it was your daughter or sister. If your daughter had woken up with that guy's dick inside her, would you chalk it off as skewed statistics and give her a stern talk about making wild accusations?

      We're not talking about switch rape, or mental rape, or some other bullshit rape. We're talking about non-consensual sex with a sleeping partner, and going at it without a condom to add insult to injury.

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    3. Re:move on by smallfries · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Suddenly you seem well versed in the details of swedish rape cases, yet only a few posts ago you were parroting the well-trodden shit about the "rape capital" of the world. If all countries had sweden's level of reporting and definition of multiple offences then it is unlikely they would continue to have the highest stats. Either you suffer from "selective understanding" or you really need to troll harder.

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    4. Re:move on by someone1234 · · Score: 1

      The point was exactly that, Sweden law considers it a rape while you wouldn't.

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    5. Re:move on by quax · · Score: 1

      Didn't know about the assault while asleep part. Certainly much worse, and definitely rape as I understand the term.

      Not that a disappearing condom is a laughing matter either.

    6. Re:move on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's certainly a serious offence, if true. But: I have trouble imaging what sort of evidence there could be for this, short of an actual audio or video recording. And when someone - as Assange did - gets up the noses of some very powerful people, and shortly afterwards is accused of a serious crime without any evidence thereof ... I tend to be skeptical.

    7. Re:move on by quax · · Score: 1

      Who cares what I call it.

      The point was because outside Sweden it is not counted as rape, the statistics compares apples with oranges. Why is that so hard to understand?

    8. Re:move on by lucm · · Score: 1

      I understand that, but do a bit of research to see who the two victims were (one was a local politician) and how this basically destroyed their lives. And I don't mean just the rape, but also the death threats and rape threats they received from countless Assange apologists accusing them of being CIA shills and whatnot. This is an ugly affair.

      Not that it's above the CIA to do this kind of dirty trick, but if you take the time to fully understand the context and the aftermath you'll see that it's truly a shame.

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    9. Re:move on by lucm · · Score: 1

      He said she said, too much on the table to believe what she said.

      Yes, let's give a license to rape to famous people. They earned it.

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    10. Re:move on by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Suddenly you seem well versed in the details of swedish rape cases, yet only a few posts ago you were parroting the well-trodden shit about the "rape capital" of the world. If all countries had sweden's level of reporting and definition of multiple offences then it is unlikely they would continue to have the highest stats. Either you suffer from "selective understanding" or you really need to troll harder.

      The truth however is that women report being victims of sexual crimes 2-3 times more now than just a few years ago.

      That have NOTHING with their willingness to report the offence.

      Sure Swedish law provide more protection for women and it's safer to report the offence here. But specific immigrant groups have an over-representation in rape offences of multiple tens of times and as a group all grouped together including those not from that shit-hold part of the world they still had it at the level of 4-5 times like 30 years ago when Sweden wasn't as politically correct and statistics was actually created and revealed. As is with the anti-Swedish traitor-government they of course don't want to have an argument about such things or such numbers published so they simply refuse to create statistics of today. By now with the general progressiveness of western societies maybe we could assume the Swedes rape less and that with war and terror in their native lands maybe they have become even more used to it and maybe even rape more. It will all be speculation because the government hide the truth. A fact however is that an increase of the number of people in Sweden of less than 5% lead to 3 times more sexual crimes.

    11. Re:move on by smallfries · · Score: 1

      You are quite slow of thinking. Trying to fit the world onto your perceptions rather than the other way around will not work. Even if you excitedly yell FACT when you think you have it right.

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    12. Re:move on by smallfries · · Score: 1

      Underlying rate: X.
      Change in reporting standard: Y.

      Without any knowledge of X or Y, you claim that another pair of unknown values for some other country (x and y) should result in XY xy. Why is that? Your doublethink slogan is cute, if somewhat hypocritical, but can you actually provide an explanation for why these four unknown values should produce the comparison that you claim?

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    13. Re:move on by smallfries · · Score: 1

      No point in reading the whining of a racist fuck like you.

      You repeatedly make claims about the distribution of ethnicity among the population of claimed racists. Do you have any real data to back it up?

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    14. Re:move on by smallfries · · Score: 1

      Oh how scary! An internet tough guy. Sure thing sweetheart.

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    15. Re:move on by smallfries · · Score: 1

      Oh dear, you're not very good at this are you? Deep breath, take pills, try to summon coherent thoughts. I'm sure you can do it if you really try. I believe in you sugar.

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    16. Re:move on by aliquis · · Score: 1

      That you consider it "racist" is irrelevanta. That's meaningless and it's still true.

      That some idiot had the chance to moderate it troll is just sad.

      As for data of course I have it:
      http://www.dn.se/debatt/kultur...
      https://www.bra.se/download/18... (Bilaga 4, table 1 and 2 page 61 and onwards for instance.)
      This one doesn't have the country-specific data but I never manage to find the original source for it any longer:
      http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/nyh...
      The country-specific data maybe was put together by someone looking at their source data
      https://www.flashback.org/sp57...
      https://politifon.wordpress.co... (You need to consider the number of North-Europeans relative others in Norway for that one.)
      http://gamla.hbl.fi/nyheter/20...
      https://petterssonsblogg.se/20...

      I wouldn't make the claim if it wasn't true but it's never about truthness or the actual source for you guys because the only reason it's asked about is to discredit the claim. Even if it's true and out there and is a fact it will still be considered a worthless point because it's not ok to view people in that way, group them together, irrelevant because not all are sentenced, whatever.

      The fact is still that for some nationalities the over-representation was over 20 times, for two (China and Malaysia or the Philippines or something such) it's actually below 1, sadly most of the asylum seekers to Sweden are rapefugees of those shit cultures.

      We don't have any data for the 21st century because the government doesn't want any created which by itself kinda is data enough.

      https://www.bra.se/bra/brott-o...

      The rapefugee effect is obvious there, and there's the festivals and new year celebrations and such helping explain "why":
      http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyhe...
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... .. and so on.

    17. Re:move on by smallfries · · Score: 1

      How sad. It is difficult to say if it is cognitive dissonance with you, or just a lack of ability to reason.

      The opinion piece from DN in 2005 is not data. Can you not tell the difference? A real discussion about "data" would involve issues such as: what were the confounding factors in the study?, what was the method of data collection?, are the results significant? what can be inferred safely from the data and what is over-interpretation?. The report that you link to has been discussed to death, but given that you are putting forward bra.se as an authority, here is what they have to say about it:

      In recent times, simplistic and occasionally completely inaccurate information about Sweden and Swedish migration policy has been disseminated. Here, the Swedish Ministry for Foreign Affairs looks at some of the most common claims.

      Claim: "There has been a major increase in the number of rapes in Sweden."

      Facts: The number of reported rapes in Sweden has risen. But the definition of rape has broadened over time, which makes it difficult to compare the figures. It is also misleading to compare the figures with other countries, as many acts that are considered rape under Swedish law are not considered rape in many other countries.

      For example: If a woman in Sweden reports that she has been raped by her husband every night for a year, that is counted as 365 separate offences; in most other countries this would be registered as a single offence, or would not be registered as an offence at all.

      Willingness to report such offences also differs dramatically between countries. A culture in which these crimes are talked about openly, and victims are not blamed, will also have more cases reported. Sweden has made a conscious effort to encourage women to report any offence.

      Claim: "Refugees are behind the increase in crime, but the authorities are covering it up."

      Facts: According to the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention's Swedish Crime Survey, some 13 per cent of the population were the victim of an offence against them personally in 2015. This is an increase on preceding years, although it is roughly the same level as in 2005.

      The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention has conducted two studies into the representation of people from foreign backgrounds among crime suspects, the most recent in 2005. The studies show that the majority of those suspected of crimes were born in Sweden to two Swedish-born parents. The studies also show that the vast majority of people from foreign backgrounds are not suspected of any crimes.

      People from foreign backgrounds are suspected of crimes more often than people from a Swedish background. According to the most recent study, people from foreign backgrounds are 2.5 times more likely to be suspected of crimes than people born in Sweden to Swedish-born parents. In a later study, researchers at Stockholm University showed that the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden. This means factors such as parents' incomes, and the social circumstances in the area in which an individual grew up.

      Swedish government agencies have nothing to gain from covering up statistics and facts; they seek an open and fact-based dialogue. Sweden is an open society governed by a principle of public access to official documents. This means that members of the public, e.g. private individuals and media representatives, have the right to insight into and access to information about the activities of central and local government.

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    18. Re:move on by aliquis · · Score: 1

      The opinion piece from DN in 2005 is not data. Can you not tell the difference?

      BRÃ... has the data and the "opinion piece" is DN cover of that data, the "cultural heritage" claim of it is likely made because adjusting the data for social and economical differences between the groups of people still doesn't put them on equal level. As for doing any such adjustment I just think that result in false values anyway because the reality is that the immigrants are employed less, work less, live on welfare more, have lower education, are mostly men and so on. The real outcome of them coming here include the effect of such factors because they are what they are. Their over-representation is higher than the data isn't adjusted and it's most of it remain even when it is.

      The problem isn't the text in DN or "my failure to provide good links", the problem is rather that the data is so fucking hard to find.
      This one is available as is likely what the DN text block is about:
      https://www.bra.se/download/18...
      It's of course a longer read than the DN piece.

      http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/nyh...
      Lots of places contain the piece saying those with the highest over-representation is from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia, I've seen claims with specific numbers for them somewhere but that one is hard to find because there's so many places which bring up those four on this subject so I don't know what to google for to find the one with the actual numbers. But those numbers and those repeated claims must come from somewhere but I don't know where.
      Sweden used to be a world-leader in statistics and it's nothing weird that we've had statistics of these things previously. Statistics people could access and share and make people understand how it was. By now the government however isn't interested in creating such reports over the statistics.
      That I don't know how to find the number (Feel free to call BRÃ... since it's most likely from them and maybe they know, I just don't manage to find the original source numbers by a simple google search and within seconds / by visiting the first hit) doesn't make the data or claim incorrect. It just mean I don't know where it is.

      what were the confounding factors in the study?

      Irrelevant and just an attempt to excuse the raw data. The immigrants are like they are. They aren't Swedes. Any adjusted data would be false data. And the thing is that even if you adjust it they won't be on par with Swedes anyway.
      Sadly we've got Jerzy Sarnecki as researcher and professor in criminology who seem to be of his own political opinion and don't tell how it is and the data in the raw but have to mix in his own political views when "explaining" things ruining the Swedes understanding of these things.
      The over-representation of being registered for any crime whatsoever was 2.5 times and when adjusted (= false) it become 2.1 times. In Swedish media, by people who wanna lie, by people like you, that result in claims that make it sound like that adjustment would make all the difference go away, like it even mattered if it did because THE DIFFERENCE IS THERE, the last time I heard about it in more serious media and not just a communist trolling on social media the claim wasn't that it was completely removed, just that "a large share", the larger share or the majority or something such was removed if one considered socio-economic factors, but that's not the truth, the truth is that it dropped from 2.5 times to 2.1 times, which is a difference but a small one not explaining the majority of it.
      https://www.facebook.com/tino....
      Had the fucking invading parasite plague which it is not been provided with help from the Swedish s

    19. Re:move on by smallfries · · Score: 1

      It's a shame that you are focusing on quantity over quality - see if you can condense your mess of thoughts into the key points.

      The problem isn't the text in DN or "my failure to provide good links", the problem is rather that the data is so fucking hard to find.

      Yes, that is a standard problem when you try to fit the data to your perceptions. Try doing it the other way around.

      Irrelevant and just an attempt to excuse the raw data. The immigrants are like they are. They aren't Swedes. Any adjusted data would be false data. And the thing is that even if you adjust it they won't be on par with Swedes anyway.

      The confounding factors are never irrelevant to the issue of what the data tells us vs what we project onto it. Do you understand what the confounding factors are in attempting to draw an interpretation from these raw statistics?

      That immigrants commit more crimes than Swedes,

      This is demonstrably false. You seem to be mixing relative and absolute measures, which is understandable given your weak grasp of what has been measured.

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    20. Re:move on by aliquis · · Score: 1

      It's a shame that you are focusing on quantity over quality - see if you can condense your mess of thoughts into the key points.

      For the sake of any possible Slashdot audience I have to answer the crap you post. It's not like I want to reply to your troll-trash.

      Yes, that is a standard problem when you try to fit the data to your perceptions. Try doing it the other way around.

      The data exist some others have created been able to compile their numbers from it. It's just that I don't know where-from those numbers are.
      If it's from a report it has to be an older report than the 2005 one because the Aftonbladet article about them is from year 2000.
      https://www.facebook.com/tino....
      Seem like those numbers are from the period 1985-1989, 0.0002% of the Swedes registered for rape, 0.0046% of the people from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia and 0.004% of those from Iraq.
      0.004% make them 20 times more common than the 0.0002% of the Swedes, of course it still mean 99.6% of them hadn't been sentenced for rape-offences and 99.98% of the Swedes haven't either.
      Among gang-rapes 1991-1999, 58% of the offenders were Swedish-born and 1/4 was foreigners. I would assume by now the foreigners stand for the majority but since the government doesn't want to process the data and reveal how it is now we don't know. Whatever one could get it for each case from the police I don't know. The political forces in Sweden doesn't want data collected based on ethnicity and once people have gotten a Swedish citizenship maybe they would be counted as Swedes in the statistics regardless of what they actually were/are.
      In the case of the troubles with sex-offenders in swimming halls which we've had recently asylum seekers dominate completely.
      https://www.facebook.com/tino....
      https://www.facebook.com/tino....

      The confounding factors are never irrelevant to the issue of what the data tells us vs what we project onto it. Do you understand what the confounding factors are in attempting to draw an interpretation from these raw statistics?

      The data is the data. It's 100% accurate and the real-deal. It doesn't need any "massaging."

      This is demonstrably false. You seem to be mixing relative and absolute measures, which is understandable given your weak grasp of what has been measured.

      It may be true but of course I mean relatively speaking. I don't mix them. I just was too fast when stating the point. And the relative measure is the only one which is really interesting anyway. Otherwise it would be like stating that the Chinese own more pants than the Sami people, or watch a lot more TV, and sure enough, they do, because they are so many, but ..

    21. Re:move on by aliquis · · Score: 1

      Actually people are less likely to report sexual crimes now then before:
      https://acidmuncher.files.word...
      https://acidmuncher.wordpress....
      Why is open for speculation, I have my ideas ..
      That of course mean that the actual number of people affected by criminal sexual behavior has increased even more the number of reported cases would say.

      Go alternative facts! So exciting!
      Surely you can trust a socialist or want-to-take-control-over-the-culture-and-thought-of-the-people-regime!

    22. Re:move on by smallfries · · Score: 1

      The world that we live in is made of alternative facts. Borges wrote extensively on the hyper-reality that we live within, long before it became fashionable. We deal so infrequently with actual facts that as a species we look at second-hand analyses and inferences and convince ourselves that we are dealing with the real thing. On the subject of which, crime statistics:

      Split a population into three categories:
      A: natives
      B: integrated immigrants
      C: non integrated immigrants

      Assume it takes 10+ years to move from group C to group B (if ever). Assume that the three groups are hetrogeneous in most statistics that we can measure. Any measurement is a sample at a point in time, it does not take into account drift between these categories.

      Where are the raw "facts" now? Do they still exist?

      If the crime rate in (B+C) is 100x larger than in A, what does that tell us about A vs B, or about B vs C? If the measurement lag is 10 years so that it is on the order of magnitude as drift then does it tell us anything at all?

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    23. Re:move on by aliquis · · Score: 1

      http://www.bra.se/download/18....

      2016 vs 2015, reported:
      Sexual harassment: +21%
      Rape: +13%

      2007 to 2016:
      Sexual harassments: +71%
      Rapes: +41%

  31. Re:Racist by chispito · · Score: 1

    Muslim is not a race.

    You wouldn't know it based on the reaction to the travel ban President Trump tried.

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  32. Re: Leftisy government by muffen · · Score: 5, Informative

    You are right, so to reduce the rape stats, we should look at the countries with the lowest amount of rapes per capita, and learn from them. The bottom three are Saudi Arabia, India and Egypt.

    Sweden's high stats are because everything counts as rape, even things that in some countries aren't even crimes. Also, if the act is repeated, then it's counted twice. There have been cases where the same person (often in couples or married) where charged with 50 counts of rape. Finally, in Sweden, everything possible is done to make sure rapes are reported.

  33. Re: Muslims hate music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Just think what you could achieve if you weren't obsessed with Muslims.

  34. Re:Leftisy government by donaldm · · Score: 3, Informative

    Fucking piece of shit Slashdot. I have five moderation points and used three of them to mod "politically incorrect" posts +1; insightful and then I wrote a post explaining that posted as AC and the damn site instantly removed my moderation. It used to ask (I don't use preview because it's not my fucking task to HTML format the text, manage links or do å, ä or ö. The incompetent people at Slashdot should had fixed their shit like ten years ago.) So now I have a shit-post and didn't helped saved your comments and I can't moderate anything more in the thread thanks to that shit-post. Thank you fucking POS /..

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  35. Re: Leftisy government by Megol · · Score: 1

    No. For several reasons: Sweden have a different definition of rape than many other countries, there is no social stigma in reporting a rape unlike many countries and the legal system have to handle any (substantial) claims of criminal activity even if the victim doesn't seek help themselves.

    IOW the rape rate in Sweden can't be directly compared to other countries and if compensated for then it is in the normal range of a western nation.

  36. Disputable by aepervius · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are plenty of evidence that some genetic marker are present in certain population, marking certain population to a greater weakness (or sometime strength) against some sickness. But it is disputable that they mark what you would call biological race, as they lack the physical isolation, do not have very specific karyotyp (even the melanine one) in human it is only a more likelyness to have such karyotyp or even a continuum of various karyotyp. The only subset you may do is possibly morphological, but even for that and for the karyotyp, you do not have specific identifier you can assign 100%, you have a continuum. That is why even if you look at various biological book or source, they usually sidestep the issue of human race, not because of the sociological indication, but simply because there is no easy way to separate and quantify those. And no, even skin color do not work that well (morphological races - would put for example part of india with africa).

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    1. Re:Disputable by stdarg · · Score: 1

      you do not have specific identifier you can assign 100%, you have a continuum

      Why is that a problem? It's the paradox of the heap. A grain of sand is not a heap. Two grains are not a heap (in my view). Three grains are not. But as you continue, at some point it is a heap. Many people would disagree on the exact number of grains of sand that make a heap. Yet heaps exist.

  37. Re: Leftisy government by muffen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You may not like their religion or political system, but "Saudi Arabia" is not an insult. The world is a mosaic, pal.

    Was never meant as an insult but rather to point out differences, as I don't think everything possible is being done in Saudi to get women to report rape, and since most things considered rape in Sweden aren't even crimes in Saudi, it wouldn't matter anyway.

    Sweden is extreme in the other direction, which results in high rape stats, but this is a good thing imho (that they are being reported and that the laws are the way they are).

  38. Re: Leftisy government by Megol · · Score: 1

    Sexual assault? The thing is that conditional consent fails when the condition fails. Just because two people consent to sex doesn't mean that one person starting to fuck the other while he/she is asleep isn't rape. Just because a girl consent to normal (vaginal) sex doesn't mean forcing a penis, finger or hand up their ass is okay.

    I admit that the case you are referring to is a bit of borderline but that's just it - not only was there one instance of the same thing happening, there were two closely timed instances indicating the person in question have a habit of doing it. That the person in question is a lying, slandering coward that tries to call an investigation into his activities political harassment and hides away (with ludicrous excuses) when realizing that what he have done is considered rape (and rightly so) really speaks for itself.

  39. Re: Had he been a Rust programmer he'd still be a by Kjella · · Score: 1

    We're covered in all sorts of dusts.

    Angel dust would explain a thing or two...

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  40. Slashdot is trying hard.. by sTERNKERN · · Score: 4, Insightful

    to find any link between "news for nerds" and "Your daily news of terror".

  41. Re:Racist by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The problem is that the word "race" encompasses both biological differences and social ones. Even worse, we aren't entirely sure which is which in every case.

    In practice, 90% of what people mean when they say "race" is purely artificial social division.

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  42. Re: Fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Be careful redefining words like that, it may backfire. So islam is a race now? Then perhaps racism isn't wrong any more either?

  43. Racism is group think (collective punishment) by emj · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I heard news articles saying that the local [religous leaders] calling for death to gays

    These are not left/right questions, it is a free speech issue and a rascism/protectionism issue. Here in Scandinavia terror spread from the far right is actually a bigger concern, if we look at terror attacks on our soil. These acts of terror are not done by muslims, and by your logic we should start looking harder at the far right and prohibiting their leaders to express themselves in media. We already hinder free speech, and it is helping to some extent to have consequences when you call for the death of all ZYX, not very harsh though. We are not banning far right activists entry, that's about as ridiculous as your suggestion though.

    So sure your statements are racist, let me use a car analogy; car owners kill a lot of people with their cars, it would make a lot more sense for the US to ban cars from certain high risk areas. Sure they are "accidents" but they do happen consistently and the group of car owners can very well be held responsible, just as you say that the billions of muslims in the world should take responsibilities for the actions of the few.

    In the end when you say "we should not let the group XYZ do ZYX" it's easily rascism.

  44. Re:Had he been a Rust programmer he'd still be ali by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Yes, but what kind of life is that? You'd envy the dead.

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  45. Re: Had he been a Rust programmer he'd still be al by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Dude, that chair creaking under your weight when you move isn't quite a roar.

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  46. Re:Some good news at last by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    People died here!

    So? They do that all over the globe all the time. "4 people died" is a breezy sunny morning in most parts of Africa. Provided that for a change NO militia comes by. Then you could add a zero or two.

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  47. Re:Some good news at last by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Certainly. But care to inform me why I should give a fuck about anyone else dying?

    Or why anyone else should even remotely be bothered by the death of my mom? I bet you didn't even hear about it when she died.

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  48. Re:Some good news at last by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Then it's in good company, thinking with the heart isn't rational either.

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  49. Re:Fake news by jez9999 · · Score: 1

    Talking about this is racist.

    Nice trolling.

  50. Re: Leftisy government by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Outlying incidents like this one notwithstanding, I'd much rather walk down a Stockholm street alone at 2AM than a street in any large US city alone at 2PM.

    And I'd much rather have my wife walk down a Stockholm street alone at 2AM than a street in any large US city alone at 2PM.

    (You do realise that you reveal yourself to be a complete moron by repeating such nonsense, right? Rhetorical question--you needn't bother answering.)

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  51. Re:Racist by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    But likewise being born in the middle east doesn't mean that you automatically think blowing yourself up for your imaginary buddy is a swell idea.

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  52. Re:Racist by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Acknowledging that people look different isn't racist. It only becomes racist when you suggest that for the sole reason of this difference they must have or must not have certain traits. "A is white" isn't racist. "A is white and therefore he must be X" is.

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  53. Re:Racist by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    What's that got to do with it?

    Oh, you mean there are people who conflate religion with race? Yes, people are stupid, news at 11.

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  54. Re:Racist by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    These people are promised 72 virgins and the ability to designate a couple people to go straight into heaven WITHOUT judgment after death if they die a "martyr's" death while killing infidels.

    What the ad brochure doesn't tell you is the gender of the virgins.

    In other words, they're stuck for eternity in a Star Trek convention.

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  55. Re:It's Not Tragic To Die Doing What you Love by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure he didn't love running into trucks.

    Then again, who am I to judge Swedes for their crazy fetishes...

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  56. Re: Poles (my ancestors) drove back muslims by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    It's Jude. Singular. Juden is the plural. At least when you abuse German, do it right.

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  57. Re:Jews behind it are using 2 enemies to... apk by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Thought about it. It's still bullshit. But thanks for wasting 2 seconds of my work day, I appreciate it.

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  58. Re:Fake news by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    [citation needed]

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  59. Re:Racist by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    IOW, they're at about the same place that mainstream Christianity was a few centuries back.

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  60. Re:Racist by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Wow, who went and handed the religious nutjob modpoints?

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  61. Re: Poles (my ancestors) drove back muslims by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Do you really have nothing better to do than reply to your own posts, AlecStaar? Guess not--you've been doing it for about 20 years now.

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  62. Re:Jews behind it are using 2 enemies to... apk by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Hey! My grandpa died in a concentration camp!

    He fell drunk off a watch tower. But that's not the point now.

    Sorry, but let's say my country has a history of some idiot pretending that the answer to everything bad on the planet is "the Jews". Guess what, it doesn't take the "eternal Jew" for shit to hit the fan. People all over the globe are selfish bastards, that's not limited to a certain ethnic group.

    But to answer your question, no, I'm not Jewish. At least according to a document that belonged to my grandpa that was issued by people who really, really, REALLY thought it's important for some odd reason that he's not. He and me didn't get along too well, but hey, according to you that doesn't matter, what matters is that he's my grandpa, right? It's in the genes, because people are preprogrammed idiot machines that are limited by what their ancestors were.

    And with people like you, I almost believe that.

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  63. Re:Racist by admin7087 · · Score: 1

    Well, if you start arguing that way, then you'll find that there is no racism anywhere because there are no races in the sense racists would assume. The idea of a phenotypical race is considered ill-conceived and plays no substantial role in biology for a long time. Nazi talk about races is pseudo-science and everybody knows it, since the time we're able to map genes.

    But "racism" as it is used nowadays, has nothing to do with races anyway, it's about marginalizing and discriminating minorities, as every educated adult including you knows. Often the word is also used to convey the original sense of chauvinism, i.e., discriminating people by their country of origin.

    However, I'm pretty sure you and the /. moderators who voted you up knew all that already. What you and they reveal by your hypocritical language corrections is that your are, indeed, bigoted racists, whether you are aware of it or not. On a side note, regardless of the meaning of "racism", judging 1.6 billion people on the basis of the actions of a few dozen to maybe even a few thousands among them is just stupid.

  64. Re:They didn't (family was in Nazi labor camps) by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Being good at business is a crime? I always knew you were a batshit insane Euro, spreading you host file malware, but you have jumped the shark. Get out of your basement.

  65. Re:Racist by Z80a · · Score: 1

    Yep. But the odds will be higher if you born in a place where the radical islam took over, which obviously means that if you take away the radical islam, you reduce or remove the people willing to blow up for allah.

  66. Re:Racist by Z80a · · Score: 1

    The problem here is that people that are against muslims are against the religion itself, not the social class or where they did born.
    To be racist by your definition would be to give an OK pass to for example "white" middle class US citizens that converted into the radical islam, which is not the case.

  67. Re:Muslims hate music by arth1 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It is well known that most misery in the world is caused by muslims.

    No, it isn't.
    I'd say that "men" and "corporations" go much higher on that list. And I see no indication that Islam causes more misery than other Abrahamic religions; i.e. plenty of misery for all of them.
    Seen from an outside perspective, they're all just minor variations on a theme.

    Can a muslim change its barbarism? Can a leopard change its spots? It's in the genes, stupid!

    Faith is genetic?

    The propensity for faith might be genetic. There might have been benefits in humanity's distant path, where subjecting to authority and taking what they said at face value no matter what increased survival. It may be linked to how children for the first few years believe their parents, even when they say strange things like that a tiny little insect can cause you lots of harm, or that you shouldn't touch the beautiful red sparkles.
    There are a significant number of people who either never get to the point where they question what their parents taught them, or don't stop being gullible. That may be genetic.
    But which superstitions people are afflicted with is not written in the genes. Whether you go postal at an abortion clinic, shoot kids who throw rocks at your tank, strap on a suicide belt, or mutilate newborns appears to be more a result of geography.

  68. Re:Jews behind it are using 2 enemies to... apk by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Actually, funny enough, I have proof that you'd probably even accept. I just honestly don't really care enough about the opinion of someone like you.

    Because I know how it continues. I've been there before. You'd just lament how horrible it is that a good decent Aryan like me is falling for the Jewish plot of total annihilation of the human race. Except Jews, of course. And Commies, let's not forget about the Commies.

    For some odd reason, the likes of you don't die out. The most recent idiocy is how Jews conspire with Muslims to get the downfall of humanity going. Because Jews and Muslims are great buddies. But sense and logic isn't really the big topic when it comes to simple solutions based on hatred.

    Your philosophy can be summed up with a simple creed: I fail as a human, and I don't want to take the blame, so the Jew is to blame. Or the Muslim. Or the Mexican. Or the establishment. Or someone else, the scapegoat du jour. But not me! I'm not to blame that my life is going to waste!

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  69. Re:Racist by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Taking away radical religion is easier said than done.

    Question: Would you fall for the bullshit? Would you blow yourself up for the promise of a great afterlife or some petty cash for your loved ones? Probably not. Why? 'cause you enjoy this life.

    We simply have to export that. Give people a reason to live and something to lose and they will no longer throw their life away. As long as people think that death and the weak promise of maybe something cool in the next life, provided there is one, is better than what they already have, this ain't going to change.

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  70. Re:Racist by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    People who come to the conclusion that religion is a mental disease (ICD-10, F22.0, delusion) are not required to be religious. Hence they are quite possibly capable of independent and logical thinking.

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  71. Re:Leftisy government by johanw · · Score: 1

    Free Anders Breivik and let him deal with the problem.

  72. Re: Leftisy government by johanw · · Score: 1

    But remember, the swedes define a broken condom already as "rape". So it's easy to get the numbers high. Assange knows all about it. :-(

  73. Reporting by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    While a slippery slope I'd question, or at least be a bit critical of those stats. I say this because I believe in certain cases the actual reporting to which those stats get built from are going to be highly influenced by how easy it might be for the victim to come forward and report the rape in the first place. The three countries you list, I suspect would likely have many challenges to the reporting I think.

  74. Re:Racist by admin7087 · · Score: 1

    First of all, Being against Islam or Christianity is not racist at all, it's quite reasonable in my point of view. Being against something or someone doesn't make anyone a racist, certainly not according to the definition that I gave. (Did you even read my post?) Second, this is not about 'my' definition, I'm not Humpty-Dumpty, it's about the meaning of the word, which for a long time has had nothing to do with races and also isn't meant that way according to law. It concerns the deliberate discrimination of minorities. Third, yes, of course, someone who actively discriminates a white middle class US citizen just because he converted to Islam does definitely qualify as a racist.

    It would be nice to have a word as strong as "racist" that works for both minorities and majorities, i.e., that points out that someone makes crass overgeneralizations and holds overly general negative stereotypes about some large group of people without pointing out any particular individuals or particular bad actions. However, this is not very important for majorities, because these can defend themselves against injustice fairly well by being in the majority.

  75. Re: Muslims hate music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You are fucking insane.

    We're commenting on an article about a man killed by a Muslim extremist, acting out the screed of his death-worship cult.

    Islam is a violent and oppressive ideology, which instructs followers to kill anyone who tries to leave, and enslave anyone who won't convert.

    The other Abrahamic religions have no such imperatives, and are not instructed by modern interpretation to kill non-believers. There are hundreds of millions of Muslims who believe DEATH is the appropriate response to speech against Islam. You will find no such support for that barbarism in any other belief system outside of fringe cults.

    But you already know this. You feign ignorance either because you condone it, or are brainwashed to not see it for what it is: Genocide.

  76. Re: Leftisy government by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

    The bottom three are Saudi Arabia, India and Egypt........

    Sweden's high stats are because everything counts as rape, even things that in some countries aren't even crimes.

    Indeed. In addition, which two countries are the kidnapping capitals of the world?

    Australia and Canada.

    Official figures from the United Nations show that there were 17 kidnaps per 100,000 people in Australia in 2010 and 12.7 in Canada.

    That compares with only 0.6 in Colombia and 1.1 in Mexico.

    The Julian Assange extradition case has put Sweden's relatively high incidence of rape under the spotlight. But can such statistics be reliably compared from one country to another?

  77. Re: Leftisy government by muffen · · Score: 1

    Okay. Let's compare with historical rape stats of Sweden then. Oh, 87% increase in reported rapes over the last 5 years (SCI, Nov. 2016). Cool. Big fucking mystery why!

    It's not a mystery, it's been reported time and time again, the definition of rape changed, but more importantly, each count of rape started to count as an individual offense, so in a marriage, there could be 100s of rapes happening between the same two people. This is what you were referring to right?

  78. Re:Cost cutting by meta-monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "diversity is our strength"

    I hate this saying. It is such a clear and obvious lie. Diversity is not, at all, a strength, but an exploitable weakness. At best, it is a challenge that requires enormous effort to overcome. If your neighborhood goes from having one culture to having ten, it is not stronger. Your neighborhood that used to agree on lots of things now has hundreds of potential conflicts, and it becomes very easy to exploit these differences to pit people against each other. The only reason to tell people that "diversity is a strength" is because you're trying to divide and conquer.

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  79. Re:Racist by stdarg · · Score: 1

    They're at the same place that Christianity was at during the dark ages, yet they don't live in the dark ages. They have all the advantages of global communication and travel, widespread literacy, huge advances in science, easy access to the arts, literature, history, etc.

    It's amazing that a huge group of people people living today can still be so backwards, isn't it?

  80. Re:Racist by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

    In practice, 90% of what people mean when they say "race" is purely artificial social division.

    But everyone knows what you're talking about when you say "a black guy" or "an asian guy" or "a white guy." Having to say "this collection of human haplogroups" or "individuals of recent European descent" is just a type of tone policing. The "race is just as social construct" talk only comes out when it's a right winger speaking about race. You'll never find the leftists chanting "The Social Construct of 'Black' Describing Human Haplogroups Common to Peoples of Recent African Descent's Lives Matter!"

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  81. Re:Leftisy government by strikethree · · Score: 1

    I have five moderation points and used three of them to mod "politically incorrect" posts +1; insightful and then I wrote a post explaining that posted as AC and the damn site instantly removed my moderation.

    If you are moderating and wish to comment you can always post as an Anonymous Coward or have a separate account.

    Except that is what he did, he posted as AC (see bolded portion above) and still had his moderations removed. I knew that to be the case from hard experience as well, but they should advertise the fact that is not merely whether or not you are posting AC but also the IP address from where you are posting... which becomes interesting when you are behind your organization's proxy... did anyone else in my organization post while I was modding?

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  82. Re: Leftisy government by quax · · Score: 1

    That the person in question is a lying, slandering coward that tries to call an investigation into his activities political harassment and hides away (with ludicrous excuses) when realizing that what he have done is considered rape (and rightly so) really speaks for itself.
    True that.

  83. Re: Had he been a Rust programmer he'd still be a by Talderas · · Score: 1

    I'm just glad that Weird Al finally wrote an anthem for you guys.

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  84. Re:Racist by nightfire-unique · · Score: 2

    What the honest fuck are you even talking about?

    If we're going to start prattling off "races" based on minor genetic variations, we're going to have to start inventing the "ginger race" (sunburn easily), the "albino race" (predisposed to a bunch of specific diseases), the "blonde race" (yuh know, tend to be wild in bed or something), the "race of people with webbed toes" (tend to be better swimmers), ...

    Seriously. Your response is utter contrived horseshit.

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  85. Re: Leftisy government by stephenmac7 · · Score: 1

    I can't verify or deny that as far as Sweden specifically, but immigrants tend to be less violent than native populations, so Sweden stats would have to be substantially different from the US statistics for it to be true.

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  86. Re: Leftisy government by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

    Well we are legalizingâ weed...

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  87. stfw/stfu, whichever by lucm · · Score: 1

    Suddenly you seem well versed in the details of swedish rape cases

    No. Just in this one, which has been amply documented. Use that "google" thing you'll see.

    yet only a few posts ago you were parroting the well-trodden shit about the "rape capital" of the world.

    This is actually from Wikipedia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Look at the table then click on the small arrows to sort numbers, you will see what country comes third.

    But hey, don't let extremely simple google queries stand in the way of your arrogance.

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  88. Re: Leftisy government by aliquis · · Score: 1

    You are right, so to reduce the rape stats, we should look at the countries with the lowest amount of rapes per capita, and learn from them. The bottom three are Saudi Arabia, India and Egypt.

    Nice attempt of avoiding the subject and what's really happening:

    Importation of people who rape crazy-much relative Swedes.

    Sweden's high stats are because everything counts as rape

    No, Swedish rape statistics are high because women here may report a rape offence and rape is a crime in Sweden, but also Sweden import more rapist / capita then any other western nation by far and those aren't Swedes and act like Swedes but rather continue or may even exaggerate the culture of their home land and hence rape very much indeed here which then get reported and that make the statistics go high.

    That they rape like crazy is an well-known fact since long. The current government of course isn't interested in up to date statistics about that because .. go figure. But we've got our own older statistics, we've got the statistics of our neighbour countries, we've got experience from reports when someone are sentenced and we've also got "far-right" (as in the only people who are right? Rather than extremely lying?) websites who conveniently go through the court cases and see and generate statistics from them.

    even things that in some countries aren't even crimes

    That doesn't change that ~4 years of immigration make the women who say they have been victims of sexuality criminality triple. That's not reports to the police, that's not sentences, that's not law changes, that's just women who answer a question and much more often do so with a "yes."

    Also, if the act is repeated, then it's counted twice.

    Yeah, bla bla bla, too bad we've also got those inconvenient cases where people are actually asked.

    Here's the source: https://www.bra.se/bra/brott-o...

    Let the Slashdot readers draw their own conclusions.

    Here, have a chart of the number of asylum-seekers too: https://www.migrationsverket.s...

    Sweden used to be a world-leader in statistics about the population. Since the genocidal traitor regime doesn't want the results of their treason and actions to be revealed for the population such things are becoming more and more a thing of the past, just like the freedom of speech, Swedish innocence, women at cafeterias and outside with men, non-sexually-segregated schools and education, safety, trust against each other, trust of the government and so on.. But it's all good. Because we've got diversity. And that's awesome. Just look at all other happy diverse nations with their explosive cultures. Finally we've got our chance to become equal to them. Equality is good. Oh joy. If you think you deserve better than whatever citizen in the middle-east then you're a racist anyway. Everything need to become equally bad. Don't fix their societies; ruin ours instead.

    There have been cases where the same person (often in couples or married) where charged with 50 counts of rape.

    Yeah, there's also a shit-load of gang-rapes and assault-rapes from people the victim didn't knew since before, something which before was uncommon for Sweden. But let's ignore that and instead try to trick the reader that really nothing have changed and that it's completely safe to import lots of destructive asocial dangerous criminal rapists from the third world. Nothing will happen! They will instantly become Swedes as soon as they cross the border! Everyone on the subway in Stockholm is a Swede, some idiot have made that claim before so it must be true!

    Finally, in Sweden, everything possible is done to make sure rapes are reported.

    Yeah, e

  89. Re:Cost cutting by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

    A monoculture can be completely wiped out by a single disease, so yes, diversity is a strength.

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  90. Re:Cost cutting by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    So that's why we're importing millions of barbarian savages into the west? To keep us safe from all those plagues we're having? k.

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  91. Re: Poles (my ancestors) drove back muslims by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    You have no idea how very obvious you are, do you.

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