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Russian Arrested in Spain 'Over US Election Hacking' (bbc.com)
Spanish police have arrested a Russian programmer for alleged involvement in "hacking" the US election, BBC reported Monday, citing local press reports. From the report: Pyotr Levashov, arrested on 7 April in Barcelona, has now been remanded in custody. A "legal source" also told the AFP news agency that Mr Levashov was the subject of an extradition request by the US. The request is due to be examined by Spain's national criminal court, the agency added. El Confidencial, a Spanish news website, has said that Mr Levashov's arrest warrant was issued by US authorities over suspected "hacking" that helped Donald Trump's campaign.
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Let's assume they got all the DNC mail and released it. How was that hacking the election? Hacking the election would be changing votes in a database.
If someone finds out that a candidate murders babies, I would prefer they release it...and not be arrested for "hacking the election".
The only way "Hacking" affected the election was that things Hillary and the DNC said in private became public. So I don't think it makes a lot of sense to claim the election was really "hacked", it's just the more you know about what Hilary really thinks the less likely you are to vote for her.
In the same vein every major newspaper was trying for a year or so to "hack" the election with negative stories about Trump, most of which turned out to be false... so that was actually a lot worse than the Russians simply illuminating the truth.
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The biggest hack to support Trump was to put Hillary forward as a candidate.
and find some common ground... like the fact that Hillary and The Donald are BOTH scumbags who don't deserve to be president?
Oh yes. Now this is getting interesting. Anyone care to place a wager on how hard Fox News will try to spin this?
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Probably just as hard as BBC proposed it the way they did as a Trump conspiracy vs a Clinton scandal. Nothing new here.
and esoteric. It didn't even register with voters. OTOH there's evidence linking the Russians to the "Bernie Bros" campaign (not that folks don't love Bernie, he's the most popular politician in America today and for good reason). Then there's the mounting evidence that Russia hacked voter rolls and shared that data with team Trump. That sorta data is a gold mine beyond value and if true that more than anything would explain Trump's win.
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Let's assume they got all the DNC mail and released it. How was that hacking the election?
If you actually read the article, it states "El Confidencial, a Spanish news website, has said that Mr Levashov's arrest warrant was issued by US authorities over suspected "hacking" that helped Donald Trump's campaign."
So there are two statements there.
1. Mr Levashov was arrested for suspected "hacking", and
2. this suspected "hacking" helped Donald Trump's campaign.
Breaking into the DNC computers and stealing e-mail is illegal. Period. This was done, plausibly, on behalf of Russia: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...
Hacking the election would be changing votes in a database.
According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security report, Russia's goals were to "undermine public faith" in the US democratic process and "denigrate" his Democrat opponent Hillary Clinton, harming her electability and potential presidency. "We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election." http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...
If someone finds out that a candidate murders babies, I would prefer they release it...and not be arrested for "hacking the election".
There was no allegation that Trump or Clinton murders babies. This really is changing the subject. It's the same argument that governments use to break into your computer: "think of the children! Maybe that computer we break into has child porn! Would you disagree that we need to stop child porn?" Breaking into computers and stealing e-mail is illegal. People who do that should be arrested. Nobody is murdering babies; saying "but what if they murder babies?" is not an excuse.
And you act like this surprises you? But to be fair if the news was the same about the DNC or Clinton, then their supporters would be spewing crap too. A different crap, but crap still.
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He's not being arrested for "hacking the election" he's being arrested because of other crimes:
* https://krebsonsecurity.com/20...
* https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...
The DNC stuff was minor and esoteric. It didn't even register with voters.
Are you nuts? It registered strongly with EVERY Bernie Sanders supporter. Search Twitter around that time and you'll find it was far from "esoteric" that Sanders had been ejected from the race by the DNC leadership.
Then there's the mounting evidence that Russia hacked voter rolls
Where is that exactly? The only effort ever put forth (by the Green party) showed no Russian involvement and resulted in a few more votes for Trump than were originally counted.
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I'm pretty sure Donald Trump, and perhaps every other Presidential candidate in history, have said things in private that if they became public would result in them losing the election
Trump DID say something in private, that was made public also - the whole "grabbing" fiasco.
It would have ended any other candidate, and indeed many were sure that was the end of Trump. Even many Republicans said he should end his candidacy.
But EVEN with that, Trump still won because (on the whole) what Hilary did and supported was far worse than Trump, and voters knew it.
So Hillary and Trump were even as far as disclosure of private speech... and Trump still won.
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I for one am a Russian, and I frankly don't care who wins on american elections. It's obvious to me that this whole story is made up to whitewash Hilary's fuckups in her campaign that alienated people so much that they voted for the designated "joke candidate". However the very idea that associating something with Russians can automatically vilify it seems very insulting and ridiculous to me.
Hacked the voter rolls? Voter rolls are public information. There's even a website where you can buy them at 2.5 cents per name... voterlistsonline.com
Predictable baying of the hounds from the Hillary camp.
Too late to have any real relevance since there's been ample time to create fake evidence.
the irony is strong in this one!
Actually Nixed did not get ousted for having the re-election team break into DNC Headquarters and plant bugs.
Nixon got ousted for covering up the issue after he learned of it. Nixon did not direct it to happen. Nixon covered it up after the fact.
erm.. there's quite a bit more to it than that and it was very clear he had involvement from inception to execution and over up.. hoisted by his own petard ,his own recording were used as evidence and proved knowledge all the way from the start to the end.
It is still a shame that Nixon's resignation over shadowed his accomplishments while in office. He got the US military out of Vietnam. He visited China to personally open a diplomatic channel between China and the US. That action on his part kicked off the US's most successful regime operation in history. It brought China into the international trade and financial markets which changed them from a poor and inward looking Communist regime into one of the most capitalistic countries on the planet. China has not been a communist country for a long time no matter what they call their country. Nixon also created the EPA which has been one of the most successful government agencies since it was created.
yeah and that war on drugs he started.. that wasn't a total fiscal black hole at all was it? not a waste of time, energy, money and lives? Nixon was a twat
Yes but Trump has been quite ungrateful for Putin's decisive support during the election, not to mention Russian financial support of his businesses for many years. What kind of businessman is he to renege on a such a sweetheart deal from Putin?
He has yet to cancel sanctions against Russia. And he has yet to return Alaska back to Russia, which was illegally sold by the Emperer Alexander II against the will of the Russian people. Returning Alaska will also finally help prove that Sara Palin can actually see Russia from her house.
As a Canadian, if Trump does returns Alaska to Russia, I do hope that he also gives Hawaii to Canada in order to finally prove that Obama was not born in the USA. After all, Trump would not lie about Obama, and Canadian winters are too damm cold.
There's mounting evidence that Russia hacked voter rolls and shared them with people involved with the Trump campaign.
I hear many people say this, and no one will point to any actual evidence. Show some evidence, or admit you have nothing but paranoid ravings.
The theory being the data was used to target ad buys and campaigning. It would explain how Trump ran such a stellar campaign with so few resources.
Surely you can see how weak a case that is. Trump ran ads. People listened to the ads on both sides, and decided to vote. You want to override their choice because you allege that the choice of advertising market was optimized by someone you don't like. Even if that is true, Russia saved the Trump campaign some money avoiding running ads that that would have no effect. Are you seriously going to pretend that saving Trump a few bucks on ads is a reason to overturn an election?
I don't like the idea that a Russian propaganda machine helped choose our president.
The plot you alleged isn't even a serious issue, and you have no evidence it is true.
Maybe you feel different. Maybe you're one of those Russians.
Of course you assume anyone who disagrees with you is conspiring against you. It allows you to avoid listening to what they say, and realizing that you have no evidence for a conspiracy theory that makes no sense.
I genuinely hope you get the professional help you so clearly need. Until you do, please stay far away from a voting booth.
I think you are confusing the Clinton campaign with the Trump campaign. Clinton used targeted ad buys and voter rolls, Trump just tweeted insanity and was given billions in free coverage. That's why she lost, by deciding to pull resources from places where she lost by 20K, swinging the electoral college. But why would a 30 year veteran of public service understand the election process?
Why would Trump pay for anything he was getting for free from the media? I have heard anywhere from the low billions to trillions in free media coverage.
And this whole Russians hacked our election thing is going on way too long. Second paragraph of the unclassified report says it best - "there is no evidence that Russian agents affected the election"[paraphrasing]. So essentially, the DNC had crap security, lost control of critical systems, and somehow it is all someone else's fault.
And bonus points for equating the hacking of a private us company to the hacking of the US government.
--WooooHoooo--
Wow, now there's a bit of historical revisionism. Watergate was more than just a coverup, it also lead directly to the Oval Office as the source of the whole conspiracy, not merely just the coverup of the break-in. Any "exoneration" of Nixon comes from the fact that investigators could find no direct evidence that tied Nixon to the actual DNC break-in scheme. The whole matter of 18 minutes of erased tape has long been since as the smoke that lead to the fire that was Nixon's direct involvement in the entire scheme. We can never know for sure, but I can't imagine any reasonable person can draw any other conclusion than that Nixon and his senior advisers were all in on the break-in.
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Putin overplayed his hand, and misjudged just how recalcitrant Congress really is over Russia. Maybe Putin misjudged the US political system (he certainly wouldn't be the first Russian ruler to do that), and just assumed that Trump's cooing sounds and his installment in the White House would just erase seven decades of deep distrust between the Washington and Moscow. Maybe he knew it, but Trump was his best shot. Whatever the case may be, Trump is in a political position now where he has no choice but to pick up the anti-Russia stick and pound it loudly. The fact is that outside of a few Congressmen like Nunes, Trump actually has few real devotees in Congress, and it's clear Congress has absolutely no intention of permitting the Administration to jump into bed with Putin.
Enter Assad's gas attack, which gives Trump the cover he needs to basically switch teams. Whether it's a serious change of heart or not has to be seen, but I'm thinking that right now in the Kremlin Putin and his aides are actually generally worried that they may have aided an actual real-live warmonger to get into the Oval Office. And maybe that's not a bad thing. Russia has largely assumed since Putin's rise to power that the US is going to steer clear of any elevated tensions, and has seen itself able to do what it pleases from the effective seizure of South Ossetia to the out and out annexation of Crimea, and of course, going into Syria to make sure Assad stays in power regardless of any other circumstance. Now it actually has to wonder what the Command-in-chief of the most powerful military machine in history might do. For once, Putin is the one knocked off balance.
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She sent emails of CLASSIFIED information. On a system most likely compromised by .. RUSSIAN HACKERS!!!!.
And lets not forget Uranium One Deal that got her a quid pro quo speaking engagement for ... Bill the alleged rapist.
But yeah, Trump is totally in the pocket of Russia. That's why Putin had Assad gas his own people (with Weapons that Obama said he got rid of) so that Trump could bomb them and claim they aren't buddy/pals (actual NBC conspiracy theory).
Clinton would have been so much better!
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Fuck off until they show us actual proof. If you open your eyes you'll amazed at how little proof is ever provided by the corporate media or government. It's time for that to change.
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Returning Alaska will also finally help prove that Sara Palin can actually see Russia from her house.
Here, let me help you with that:
Returning Alaska will also finally help prove that Tina Fey can actually see Russia from Sara Palin's house.
He was asked to hand over the tapes. He should have wiped them first, you know...like with a cloth.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
Donetsk isn't in Crimea. It's deep in the mainland. Ukraine basically splintered like Soviet Union did before, and Crimea and Donbass(Donetsk is a major city in the latter region) are among regions that have splintered off. Russia has incorporated Crimea but didn't incorporate Donbass for some reason.
Also, pay attention to "My primary beef with Trump is that HE HAS NO EXPERIENCE." which didn't factor into anything when Obama was elected. If it wasn't for double standards, some people would have none.
Obama was elected to the Illinois state senate in 1996, 1998 and 2002. He was elected to the US senate in 2004. His BA was in political science with a specialty in international relations. He graduated from Harvard Law magna cum laude and was the president of the Harvard Law review. He taught constitutional law for 12 years and worked as a civil rights attorney.
Yes, Obama had less experience than many presidents but compare that to Trump. No previous elected experience, no law experience, no previous interest in politics. The only item on his resume that even remotely resembles qualification to be president is a BS in economics from 49 years ago. What was that you were saying about double standards?
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Sorry, you are correct. Thanks for the correction. I am terrible at reading maps in Russian. The news seems to talk about fighting currently in Donetsk, but the map on liveuamap also shows fighting still in Crimea.
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What "fake evidence"? According to the article:
The fact that Slashdot can't bother to read an article before writing its summary isn't the GP's fault.
You don't exist. Go away.
This is a sick version of the broken window fallacy, except that this time it's people instead of windows. Both are fallacies though.
Sorry, you are correct. Thanks for the correction. I am terrible at reading maps in Russian.
That's OK - Even Russian military have repeatedly failed to read their own maps, and accidentally wandered into Ukraine.
Trump did publicly ask Russia to hack Clinton's e-mails. His supporters didn't seem to care about him asking a foreign government to interfere with the election or the threat to national security having a foreign government hack a presidential candidate presents.
“I will tell you this, Russia: If you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” the Republican nominee said at a news conference in Florida. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”
He also said: "By the way, they hacked -- they probably have her 33,000 e-mails. I hope they do. They probably have her 33,000 e-mails that she lost and deleted because you'd see some beauties there. So let's see."
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/0...
http://www.politico.com/story/...
https://www.theguardian.com/us...
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